Beta Ray Bill vs. Captain Marvel(DC) vs. Wonder Woman vs. Martian Manhunter
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His Airness
brick version of cap Marvel
no tp
TricksterPriest
So slugfest? what do you mean brick version? no lightning?
Soljer
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
So slugfest? what do you mean brick version? no lightning?
Captain Marvel Billy Bastion, rather than SHAZAM Billy Bastion, is what I believe he meant.
This goes to Captain Marvel or Martian Manhunter.
guy222
Originally posted by His Airness
brick version of cap Marvel
no tp
brb
TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Soljer
Captain Marvel Billy Bastion, rather than SHAZAM Billy Bastion, is what I believe he meant.
This goes to Captain Marvel or Martian Manhunter.
No TP. And if it's that version, I say Captain Marvel.
Soljer
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
No TP. And if it's that version, I say Captain Marvel.
What are you telling me no TP for? I'm aware...
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SpunkySmurph
What equipment does Wonder Woman have?
Soljer
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
What equipment does Wonder Woman have?
Unless otherwise stipulated, it'd be standard. Lasso, Tiara, and Bracers.
SpunkySmurph
Just making sure, that's all.
Wonder Woman knows J'onn and Billy the best, I'm betting she takes one out via lasso. Probably J'onn.
Then Beta Ray takes this.
TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Soljer
What are you telling me no TP for? I'm aware...
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Sorry.
One question. How can Manhunter beat CM without TP?
SpunkySmurph
Originally posted by Soljer
Captain Marvel Billy Bastion, rather than SHAZAM Billy Bastion, is what I believe he meant.
Bastion? ermmnone
Soljer
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Bastion? ermmnone
The socks have me confused. Batson.
Soljer
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Just making sure, that's all.
Wonder Woman knows J'onn and Billy the best, I'm betting she takes one out via lasso. Probably J'onn.
Then Beta Ray takes this.
Captain Marvel can take Bill.
His Airness
Originally posted by Soljer
Captain Marvel can take Bill.
You think? ermm
Soljer
Originally posted by His Airness
You think? ermm
Absotively.
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Validus
Marvel can definitely take Bill. Why would that be a controversial opinion?
SpunkySmurph
Originally posted by Soljer
Captain Marvel can take Bill. Maybe... but do you think he can take a bloodlusted Bill and Wonder Woman?
I see Bill winning a brawl between the three of them, but maybe that's just me. Needless to say, it would be close.
Martian_mind
Jonn can phase through WW lasso BTW....that time she did it she caught him by surprise...
SpunkySmurph
But if J'onn's in battle with Bill or Billy, he probably won't be phased.
Martian_mind
Why should he fight?
Phase into ground and wait till one is left standing,then take em when they're weakened.
SpunkySmurph
He's bloodlusted though. I doubt he'll become passive.
Martian_mind
Bloodlusted?
We've seen an incredibly pissed Jonn,but not Bloodlusted,cept when he torched Fernus.
If he's Bloodlusted and fighting Billy,he'll be shapeshifting and making restraints like the ones that held Orion,WW and Big Barda.
SpunkySmurph
Bloodlusted, according to forum rules
Martian_mind
Which are?Fighting to their best of their qabilities in character,so yes,the best o his abilities would be those pimptastic restraints.
His Airness
Stormbreaker/Mjolnir can attack phased enemies...
Martian_mind
Show Stormbreaker doing it.
Plus Jonns far faster then Bill,so it don't matter.
His Airness
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Show Stormbreaker doing it.
Plus Jonns far faster then Bill,so it don't matter.
Stormbreaker is the exact replica of Mjolnir. If one can do it so can the other. Just the matter of BRB utilizing it's abilities to the full extent. Also, It wasn't as if Thor did anything tricky with Mjolnir, it was simply able to attack Vision while he phased.
Doubt you can prove that, and if you can I doubt it's a large enough speed differential to make an actual difference.
SpunkySmurph
J'onn doesn't phase at all like Vision does...
His Airness
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
J'onn doesn't phase at all like Vision does...
Whats the difference between phasing and phasing?
TricksterPriest
I don't think phasing will stop the shazam lightning bolt. Then again, using that as a weapon is more BA's trick.
Martian_mind
Originally posted by His Airness
Stormbreaker is the exact replica of Mjolnir. If one can do it so can the other. Just the matter of BRB utilizing it's abilities to the full extent. Also, It wasn't as if Thor did anything tricky with Mjolnir, it was simply able to attack Vision while he phased.
Doubt you can prove that, and if you can I doubt it's a large enough speed differential to make an actual difference.
So....he's never done it,so it's a totally moot point.BL.
I doubt you can show a single speedfeat of BRB that puts him on Jonns level.Also why do you think they will be fighting?
And as Spunky stated Jonn phases completely different to Vision.
Martian_mind
Originally posted by His Airness
Whats the difference between phasing and phasing?
He means how they acheive it.
Vision loosens his molecules.
Jonn sends all his mass to another dimension.
Soljer
Captain Marvel or J'onn are the winners.
I'd say it'd eventually go to Billy. But, meh.
SpunkySmurph
Originally posted by His Airness
Whats the difference between phasing and phasing? J'onn's body is essentially moved to another dimension.
Doubt Thor can cause it any physical harm then...
His Airness
Originally posted by Martian_mind
So....he's never done it,so it's a totally moot point.BL.
I doubt you can show a single speedfeat of BRB that puts him on Jonns level.Also why do you think they will be fighting?
And as Spunky stated Jonn phases completely different to Vision.
The situation is similar to that of Gl's. If one ring bearer can do it another with some extent of skill can do the same.
I doubt you could post a speed feat of J'onns thats going to give him an insurmountable advantage over Bill.
Whats the difference between phasing and phasing?
Martian_mind
Originally posted by Soljer
Captain Marvel or J'onn are the winners.
I'd say it'd eventually go to Billy. But, meh.
If Jonn has no Tp,I'd be more then willing to give Billy a slight Majority.
Martian_mind
Originally posted by His Airness
The situation is similar to that of Gl's. If one ring bearer can do it another with some extent of skill can do the same.
I doubt you could post a speed feat of J'onns thats going to give him an insurmountable advantage over Bill.
Whats the difference between phasing and phasing?
Ah,no...Gl's are better then others,they can't all do the same thing.
Also,hammers take time and skill to master,and BRB has yet to show this ablity,so it's speculation.Since your all for speculation,i'll say since Jonn has complete control of his molecular structure,he creates a thousand duplicates to wreck them all.
He's never done it,but theoretically he could.
Flying around earth in the time it took a person to draw breath..
Vision still had molecules to hit,Jonn is in another DIMENSION.
His Airness
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
J'onn's body is essentially moved to another dimension.
Doubt Thor can cause it any physical harm then...
You act as if dimension hoping has been a hindrance for Thor?
Newjak
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Ah,no...Gl's are better then others,they can't all do the same thing.
Also,hammers take time and skill to master,and BRB has yet to show this ablity,so it's speculation.Since your all for speculation,i'll say since Jonn has complete control of his molecular structure,he creates a thousand duplicates to wreck them all.
He's never done it,but theoretically he could.
Flying around earth in the time it took a person to draw breath..
Vision still had molecules to hit,Jonn is in another DIMENSION. Wouldn't they all be mini MM's because he still only has a certain amount of mass.
By the way couldn't BRB just seal off the dimension MM sent his molecules forcing him to stay phased.
Martian_mind
Originally posted by His Airness
You act as if dimension hoping has been a hindrance for Thor?
So you think Thor can find the very dimension Jonn is in and hit him?Jonn just callks his mass back and Thor misses,Thor can't hit him.
All of which is moot considering Bill has never done it,so your up sh*tcreek with this avenue.
Martian_mind
Originally posted by Newjak
Wouldn't they all be mini MM's because he still only has a certain amount of mass.
By the way couldn't BRB just seal off the dimension MM sent his molecules forcing him to stay phased.
No,Jonn can absorb mass and Grow,or just recreate his own mass.
Bill has never done this
Soljer
Originally posted by His Airness
You act as if dimension hoping has been a hindrance for Thor?
Thor isn't in this fight. doped.
Newjak
Originally posted by Martian_mind
No,Jonn can absorb mass and Grow,or just recreate his own mass.
Bill has never done this
Can he break up his mind though
Theoretically he could doped
Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Soljer
Thor isn't in this fight. doped.
StormBreaker has the same enchantments at Mjolir. Dimension hopping is a power that the hammers have not that Thor has.
Martian_mind
Originally posted by Newjak
Can he break up his mind though
Theoretically he could doped
Yep.
Thor never has,therefore Bill has no chance doped
I....know your just doing this to stir me up....Drongo bastard....
Newjak
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Yep.
Thor never has,therefore Bill has no chance doped
I....know your just doing this to stir me up....Drongo bastard....
Then MM becomes braindead
Thor has opened dimensional portals therefore he can close them
You caught me durfist
Martian_mind
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
StormBreaker has the same enchantments at Mjolir. Dimension hopping is a power that the hammers have not that Thor has.
Yes....but Again,If Bill goes to that dimension,Jonn just turns soild,then Bill has to come back,then Jonn phases,then Bill goes again....Jonn turns soild...Jonn just occupies Bill until Marvel mops up WW,then he turns invisible and lets Marvel take care of Bill at which point he springs in.
His Airness
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Ah,no...Gl's are better then others,they can't all do the same thing.
Also,hammers take time and skill to master,and BRB has yet to show this ablity,so it's speculation.Since your all for speculation,i'll say since Jonn has complete control of his molecular structure,he creates a thousand duplicates to wreck them all.
He's never done it,but theoretically he could.
Flying around earth in the time it took a person to draw breath..
Vision still had molecules to hit,Jonn is in another DIMENSION.
Still all have the potential to replicate each others feats. Their only obstacle is their own imagination. Same for Thor and BRB.
They do? Most of Thor's most impressive and exotic feats were during the early stages of his comic career when he was relatively new to Mjolnir.
BRB has shown the ability to track enemies, and he's shown that he can create dimensional portals. No speculation needed.
Big deal, Bill just BFR's them all.
Light speed isn't going to overwhelm any character in this fight.
Dimension hoping isn't an obstacle for Bill.
Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Yes....but Again,If Bill goes to that dimension,Jonn just turns soild,then Bill has to come back,then Jonn phases,then Bill goes again....Jonn turns soild...Jonn just occupies Bill until Marvel mops up WW,then he turns invisible and lets Marvel take care of Bill at which point he springs in.
I wasn't arguing that point dur
Martian_mind
Originally posted by Newjak
Then MM becomes braindead
Thor has opened dimensional portals therefore he can close them
You caught me durfist
No,He just Creates mini-brains for them,he's done it before with no ill effect.
Jonn don't go through a portal,he just teleports it there through sheer will.
I know.
Newjak
Originally posted by Martian_mind
No,He just Creates mini-brains for them,he's done it before with no ill effect.
Jonn don't go through a portal,he just teleports it there through sheer will.
I know. Then they fight eachother
BRB closes whatever it is
durflowers
His Airness
Originally posted by Soljer
Thor isn't in this fight. doped.
Spunky and I were talking about Thor...
Soljer
Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter are the only factors in this fight. Bill is far too slow to play a role in combat.
Martian_mind
Originally posted by His Airness
Still all have the potential to replicate each others feats. Their only obstacle is their own imagination. Same for Thor and BRB.
They do? Most of Thor's most impressive and exotic feats were during the early stages of his comic career when he was relatively new to Mjolnir.
BRB has shown the ability to track enemies, and he's shown that he can create dimensional portals. No speculation needed.
Big deal, Bill just BFR's them all.
Light speed isn't going to overwhelm any character in this fight.
Dimension hoping isn't an obstacle for Bill.
No,Hammers have things they cannot do,unlike a GL ring,it's knowledge that hammer users need.
Plus,Thor instinctively knew what to do with the hammer,and he remembered Odin,so he wasn't as clueless as you think.
Bill can't track enemies,it's been shown.Also do you think that he can find the dimension Jonn is in?Because if so he still can't hit him.
It will for Bill,who lacks a speed feat close to that.
Yes it is as it's just gonna be a waste of his time.
Soljer
Originally posted by His Airness
Spunky and I were talking about Thor...
Yeah, but Spunky's cool, and you're kinda a douche...so...
Thor isn't in this fight. doped.
Martian_mind
Originally posted by Newjak
Then they fight eachother
BRB closes whatever it is
durflowers
Na-ah
na-ah
Ya-hah.
I win
Newjak
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Na-ah
na-ah
Ya-hah.
I win
You know two negatives make a positive so you agree with me I win
Martian_mind
Originally posted by Newjak
You know two negatives make a positive so you agree with me I win
Yep.
Haha,two negatives plus two positives equal a septuple negative!I win!!!
Newjak
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Yep.
Haha,two negatives plus two positives equal a septuple negative!I win!!! Actually it equals nothing if they are the same thereofre I win again.
Man I can't wait for the tourney to start now
His Airness
Originally posted by Soljer
Yeah, but Spunky's cool, and you're kinda a douche...so...
Thor isn't in this fight. doped.
I hate the word douche? I guess it's a word L 7's use.
Martian_mind
Originally posted by Newjak
Actually it equals nothing if they are the same thereofre I win again.
Man I can't wait for the tourney to start now
Why?
Huh!Y is a letter and a word tha are pronounced the same,therefore for a reasoni have yet to make up i win!!
Newjak
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Why?
Huh!Y is a letter and a word tha are pronounced the same,therefore for a reasoni have yet to make up i win!! I see your logic hmm
You will be a worthy adversary in the tourney.
Martian_mind
Originally posted by Newjak
I see your logic hmm
You will be a worthy adversary in the tourney.
Yes,behind this crazy demeanor,beats the heart of a true debater.
Newjak
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Yes,behind this crazy demeener,beats the heart of a true debater. We'll make you reach your full potential and become a legend. I'll be the Atlas to your Tyson
Soljer
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Yes,behind this crazy demeener,beats the heart of a true debater.
You butchered demeanor.
His Airness
Originally posted by Martian_mind
No,Hammers have things they cannot do,unlike a GL ring,it's knowledge that hammer users need.
Plus,Thor instinctively knew what to do with the hammer,and he remembered Odin,so he wasn't as clueless as you think.
Bill can't track enemies,it's been shown.Also do you think that he can find the dimension Jonn is in?Because if so he still can't hit him.
It will for Bill,who lacks a speed feat close to that.
Yes it is as it's just gonna be a waste of his time.
Really, because I've yet to see Thor use any kind of intelligence when handling Mjolnir.
They all knew how to instinctively use the hammer. Cap, Magni, Bill, etc.
Actually he did, just not nearly as well as Thor.
Why not?
The hammers themselves have never been given a limitation on their speed, however the fastest Thor has ever been clocked at is 3x the speed of light. Also, during Stormbreaker Bill was traveling through the universe with ease.
Ok, I care little either way just thought you were overestimating MM while underestimating the others.
Soljer
Travel speed versus combat speed. Martian shit stomps Thor and Beta simultaneously.
As do most of the JLA by themselves.
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Martian_mind
Originally posted by His Airness
Really, because I've yet to see Thor use any kind of intelligence when handling Mjolnir.
They all knew how to instinctively use the hammer. Cap, Magni, Bill, etc.
Actually he did, just not nearly as well as Thor.
Why not?
The hammers themselves have never been given a limitation on their speed, however the fastest Thor has ever been clocked at is 3x the speed of light. Also, during Stormbreaker Bill was traveling through the universe with ease.
Ok, I care little either way just thought you were overestimating MM while underestimating the others.
He knows how to use it.Thats why he does the stuff.
Really?can you show Bill doing the sh*t Thors done?
Bill was unable to track a person in Thor corps,and they were all amazed when Thor could..
Thats travel speed,two very different things.He was flying...big whoop,we never ghot a measure on speed.
I said Billy wins.
TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Yes,behind this crazy demeanor,beats the heart of a true debater.
Not really, you're about to take a fall, courtesy of me.
Martian_mind
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Not really, you're about to take a fall, courtesy of me.
Our past history and Blair wind says differently...
Newjak
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Our past history and Blair wind says differently... I'm also going to pick MM for the win
Martian_mind
The odds are mounting Tricker
UniOmni
If this is a in comic portrayal, Billy or Bill take it.
KMC rules, Billy takes it.
Either way, J'onn and Wondy lose.
SpunkySmurph
Originally posted by Martian_mind
two negatives plus two positives equal a septuple negative! Originally posted by Newjak
Actually it equals nothing
Actually it equals three.
His Airness
bump dammit!!!!!!
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