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some questions about kk's levels and abilities. so, who wins this?

Yo.

KK gives him a run for every cent Stark spent in R&D for his latest armor; prolly KK in a majority if we're talkin' pre-C version.




Tazer

KK. Anyone fast enough to dodge attacks from Mon-El and and strong enough to hurt him, is more than a match for IM. Not to mention he can probably destroy Tony's armor in a single blow.

was/is there much of a difference between pre/post kk?

the PC one dodged blasts from Validus that Mon-El couldn't, when he was injured.

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smashed restraints of inertron. (DC version of secondary adamantium, even PC superboy had trouble breaking it)

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The description from the respect thread: "Val cancels an earthquake, closes a fissure which threatens to split Manhattan Island in half, collapses the energy field which caused it, and destroys the machine used to create it, all by kicking the ground once. This scene also has the greatest simile I've ever heard, in which an energy field is compared to "a herd of frightened lemmings fleeing an ungracious sea." Isn't that beautiful?"
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So yeah.....PC KK was godly.

Ironman would win. People really need to start reading the comics they are citing on this forum.

against current KK? I could see that. Post COIE? No. PC? HELL NO. The only reason I'm giving him a shot at current, is current has little to no feats and he's kinda woozy. Even Batman beat him in a fight. (with a little bit of cheating.......... )

Again, read the comics you are citing, Ironman would whup any form of KK.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Again, read the comics you are citing, Ironman would whup any form of KK.

Are you serious? Did you even look at the feats I posted? hysterical

I'm going to have to agree with Joey here. Tony will win. It's gonna be tough but he'll win.

Against PC KK? No. The others he has a shot against. But not PC KK.

it SEEMS im should win 10/10 against whatever kk. just stay out of his range, use wide-ranging weapons that kk can't dodge, or sonics, or something like that to put him down.

kk's human durability SEEMS like it should be his downfall in this fight, but so much is made of kk that it is really hard to tell fact from forum-speak. i don't trust respect threads entirely because they skew the character and show only high end feats often out of context.

but still, there is an AWFUL lot of hype around kk and i never realy followed legion all that much so i was curious to learn more about him.

Is this Extremis Ironman or not

just current IM.

Originally posted by leonidas
it SEEMS im should win 10/10 against whatever kk. just stay out of his range, use wide-ranging weapons that kk can't dodge, or sonics, or something like that to put him down.

kk's human durability SEEMS like it should be his downfall in this fight, but so much is made of kk that it is really hard to tell fact from forum-speak. i don't trust respect threads entirely because they skew the character and show only high end feats often out of context.

but still, there is an AWFUL lot of hype around kk and i never realy followed legion all that much so i was curious to learn more about him.

The range arguement is out. KK has a legion flight ring. Human durability is a vague statement. and KK seems to have meta human durability and dodging.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Are you serious? Did you even look at the feats I posted? hysterical

Feats you posted are just that

feats you posted.

You only know his high showings instead of average. If you did then you cannot possibly say Ironman doesn't take it 7/10x's with a serious look on your face.

Read the comics before you make yourself look dumb by posting a few easily accessible scans from a contortion thread I mean respect thread.

But I'm not about to debunk KK, that isn't fair to whoever drafted him, so I'll let the people continue thinking he's godly unless I see him.

Temugin almost destroyed IM bare-handed. 313

Isn't that Extremis then.

Anyways it would seem that yes KK's human durability would be fatal to him.

I think this is a better scenario to gauge the two.

Superman is standing still.

Ironman hits Supes with every last ounce of his strongest energy blast.

Then KK hits Supes

which one would do he most damage?

The human durability would only get him if IM could get a bead on him. KK has been able to fight Mon-El at superspeed.

Can't KK do a thunderclap like move except instead of clapping his hands to form a big explosion he moves them quickly and creates a slice of air vacuum that moves at high speed?

I remember he did that once.

Val would win in a comic every single time they matched up and would probably make it look easy.

Iron Man might win using KMC rules.

Originally posted by Validus
Val would win in a comic every single time they matched up and would probably make it look easy.

Iron Man might win using KMC rules.

really?

is his durability human, val? to do half the shite i've seen him do he AHS to be more than simply 'human' in almost ALL areas . . .

To be honest, we're not exactly sure where his durability ranks. But it's around meta-human IMO.

Originally posted by leonidas
really?

is his durability human, val? to do half the shite i've seen him do he AHS to be more than simply 'human' in almost ALL areas . . .
Yeah, other Legion members have always been surprised at the amount of damage he can take. He didn't seem to think much of taking a punch from Superboy.

*KK takes a hit*

LoSH: OMGWTF, Val noez!
KK: I'm alright.

It's best to think of KK as DBZ character who wandered into an American comic book.

Originally posted by Validus
Yeah, other Legion members have always been surprised at the amount of damage he can take.

*KK takes a hit*

LoSH: OMGWTF, Val noez!
KK: I'm alright.

It's best to think of KK as DBZ character who wandered into an American comic book.

lol

Originally posted by Validus
Yeah, other Legion members have always been surprised at the amount of damage he can take. He didn't seem to think much of taking a punch from Superboy.

*KK takes a hit*

LoSH: OMGWTF, Val noez!
KK: I'm alright.

It's best to think of KK as DBZ character who wandered into an American comic book. I see hmm

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
lol
Save your sarcasm. jockey

Originally posted by Validus
Save your sarcasm. jockey

I keep a special supply in my basement just to use when you post 131

An impressive pain resistance feat. In this story, Projectra suffers from a "pain plague" which kills every victim within six hours from sheer agony; the other Legionnaires save her by bearing the pain for her. A few seconds of this pain is enough to send Timber Wolf, Saturn Girl and Duo Damsel violently insane; yet Karate Kid endures three hours of it without complaint, meditating--and it's worse than when the other Legionnaires took it on.
Bonus feat: Val immobilizes Timber Wolf with a judo hold. He needed Saturn Girl to blind Brin first, but only because he was afraid he'd accidentally hurt the guy if he had to subdue him with blows--and Brin can take punches from Kryptonians without falling down.

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The dude is a freaking beast.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I keep a special supply in my basement just to use when you post 131
I know. cryoh

Originally posted by Validus
Yeah, other Legion members have always been surprised at the amount of damage he can take. He didn't seem to think much of taking a punch from Superboy.

*KK takes a hit*

LoSH: OMGWTF, Val noez!
KK: I'm alright.

It's best to think of KK as DBZ character who wandered into an American comic book.

But he does take noticable damage from people like Robin.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I keep a special supply in my basement just to use when you post 131 That is my job mhm


Or wait nevermind it is my job to annoy Val and cause him to hate me

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
But he does take noticable damage from people like Robin.
When did Robin fight Val?

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
But he does take noticable damage from people like Robin.

Robin is a fellow martial artist. MA >> Actual powers

Issue 14 of Val's book.

Pre Crisis too

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Issue 14 of Val's book.

Pre Crisis too
Where they fought Diamondeth? He one shotted Robin in that book. I remember it because it's the same book where he broke an axe blade by slapping it.

Not really. Robin bicycle kicked him and he gave him a lecture while putting Robin on his ass. Robin could have still faught, but it would have been pointless because Kid explained the situation.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Not really. Robin bicycle kicked him and he gave him a lecture while putting Robin on his ass. Robin could have still faught, but it would have been pointless because Kid explained the situation.
The only reason Robin got a hit in was because KK was in the middle of explaining himself. Robin tried knocking him out and failed.

You forget to mention that Robin stopped Kid's speech to make a snappy wordplay comment right before the money shot and shrugged off both of his hits in a few panels.



They were written as equals in that fight

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
You forget to mention that Robin stopped Kid's speech to make a snappy wordplay comment right before the money shot and shrugged off both of his hits in a few panels.
No, thats actually what I mentioned in the last post.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
They were written as equals in that fight
That's a joke.

Originally posted by Validus
No, thats actually what I mentioned in the last post.

No I'm saying Val tried to explain himself and Robin interrupted him, basically narriating his next move, giving him a chance to defend himself as Val intiated the fight.





BUT NEITHER PARTIES WERE HURT!

I'm fairly sure Pre crisis Robin pwned Hal Jordan...

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
No I'm saying Val tried to explain himself and Robin interrupted him giving him a chance to defend himself as Val intiated the fight.
Val didn't initiate the fight.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
BUT NEITHER PARTIES WERE HURT!
You're ignoring that Robin flat out said he was aiming to knock out Karate Kid and Val was attempting to explain himself.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
I'm fairly sure Pre crisis Robin pwned Hal Jordan...
He one shot KO'd Hal. It was bs.

Jobbing still existed back then, you know.

Originally posted by Validus
He one shot KO'd Hal. It was bs.


Least the gay costume theme pulled it's weight back then.

Originally posted by Validus
Val didn't initiate the fight.




Yeah he floored Robin with a dragon kick while Robin was fighting the diamondeth.



Because Val's hot-headed nature is what started the fight. He was explaining himself, but he was still expecting a fight (as Robin pretty much told him if you're going to fight me fuk you and Val admitted to himself he needs to calm down on picking fights)

Yo.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Feats you posted are just that

feats you posted.

You only know his high showings instead of average. If you did then you cannot possibly say Ironman doesn't take it 7/10x's with a serious look on your face.

Read the comics before you make yourself look dumb by posting a few easily accessible scans from a contortion thread I mean respect thread.

But I'm not about to debunk KK, that isn't fair to whoever drafted him, so I'll let the people continue thinking he's godly unless I see him.

Ud have a point if he only did stuff like that every once in awhile.......but most versions of KK did that stuff on avg . shit, I think pre-C KKs truly lowest moment was being casually dismissed by GDS-DS.

even if Im wins here, its not 10/10, not when Temugin give him fits, but prolly 6.5/10.

and i STILL think thats after cutting KK off at the knees and leting him bleed out for awhile.




Tazer

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Least the gay costume theme pulled it's weight back then.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Can't KK do a thunderclap like move except instead of clapping his hands to form a big explosion he moves them quickly and creates a slice of air vacuum that moves at high speed?

I remember he did that once.


I know he once made an earthquake but kicking the floor

50:50

Tony can fight smart and use his ranged attacks or Val can get in close range and evade his attacks. If KK gets within 5 feet without Tony hitting him KK will take him apart.

If Tony uses sonics, omni-directional attacks, etc. and fights from a distance he wins.

It's all about tactics.

does KK have metal armor or any metal of any kind on him?

Yo.

Originally posted by illadelph12
50:50

Tony can fight smart and use his ranged attacks or Val can get in close range and evade his attacks. If KK gets within 5 feet without Tony hitting him KK will take him apart.

If Tony uses sonics, omni-directional attacks, etc. and fights from a distance he wins.

It's all about tactics.

I could accept this, but........FUQ IT I say KK spits @ Tony and his armor shatters.

ftw






Tazer

Originally posted by capt it up
does KK have metal armor or any metal of any kind on him?

Other than his flight ring and belt buckle, no. He's pretty much just a dude in a gi.

It must be noted though that KK has some very high end tactical applications for his flight ring. He uses it for short bursts of super speed. Since he's not protected from wind sheer he can't use it for prolonged periods, but in short calculated bursts it's superb.

what KK gunna use when made help by the fact the metal on him become magnatized and he is held with in place allowing for iron man to blast the shit out of hit?

the ring can't be magnetized. It's some kind of futuristic metal.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
the ring can't be magnetized. It's some kind of futuristic metal.

For a DC fan....

I could have sworn the legion's flight rings were simply thanagarian Nth metal...

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
the ring can't be magnetized. It's some kind of futuristic metal.
but the belt can making KK helpless.........

That's true. Nth metal? Can that magnetized? The reason I say it can't be magnetized, is I remember a story where the rings weren't affected by magnetics. I could be wrong though.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That's true. Nth metal? Can that magnetized? The reason I say it can't be magnetized, is I remember a story where the rings weren't affected by magnetics. I could be wrong though.

I don't think Nth metal is affected by magnetism. Just pointing out that it's not futuristic - it's actually ANCIENT.

touche. It's advanced technology though, so pardon me for mistaking the time period it came from.

Karate Kid's been owned buy Cosmic Boy slamming him into stuff using his belt buckle and Flight ring.

Yo.

Originally posted by Soljer
For a DC fan....

I could have sworn the legion's flight rings were simply thanagarian Nth metal...

not sure how they were constructed post-ZH, but IIRC originally the rings were made from a metal that wasnt on the periodic table AND invented by a Legion applicant during said testing phase.

and no, it wasnt magnetic




Tazer

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Karate Kid's been owned buy Cosmic Boy slamming him into stuff using his belt buckle and Flight ring.

Got scans?

Tazer: I KNEW IT! But since you said that was before ZH, it may have changed.

Karate Kid is so overrated around here it makes want to puke.

The guy is the best fighter around, but Iron Man would squash him.

KK owns Mon-el, superboy, ultra boy etc, I'm tahink KK on this one.

Since this is not PC KK, i think its safe to say IronMan curbstomps him.

Originally posted by the Darkone
KK owns Mon-el, superboy, ultra boy etc, I'm tahink KK on this one.

The majority of his feats aren't like that. And besides, they were some pretty ass fights. Not to mention, we aren't even talking about Pre-Crisis Karate Kid.

He's a dynamite martial artist who can fly. Whoopity-fuggin' doo.

All Iron Man has to do is stay out of Val's reach and blast him for the win.

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