Originally posted by batdude123
Batman took MANY of Superman's absolute hardest shots in the Sacrifice arc and survived. You and I know both know it should take one hit from Superman to vaporize Bruce.
Stuff like that happens all the time in comics. What we have to do is differentiate the bullshit from the logic. Your logic =
Tell me then how the hell are we supposed to know character's durability if everytime someone takes punch you THINK he's not supposed to take you call it bad writing. Your Bruce example has nothing to de here because he's a human, a comicbook human, but still a HUMAN, so yes we can tell that he should die from class 100 punch. Venom is an alien symbiote that merged with a human, tell me please how do we figure if he's supposed or not supposed to take class 100 unless we have like 100 examples from comicbook that prove that he can?
Originally posted by batdude123
Like Superman for example. The guy can fly through stars and take planet destroying blasts from ground zero without a scratch. We see him constantly do stuff like this. Can you see Venom doing the same things? With regards to the stuff you've said Eddy has taken, I've also seen him brought to his knees by a flurry of punches from Spider-man.
You just showed your complete ignorance of the character. First of all I never compared Venom's durability with Superman's. Second, show me scan of Spider-man knocking out Venom-Brock with his bare hands without use of sonics, fire or some plot device and I'll give you a candy. Seriously, I dare you.
Also, sigh I really hoped we'll be able to avoid this kids staff with posting scans, but oh well...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6816624
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6889047
Originally posted by batdude123
Of course Supergirl can survive worse than a punch from Clayface. However, it was enough to stagger and hurt her.
Wrong, supergirl can take MUCH worse without being scratched or hurt AT ALL. So if you want to talk about what character is SUPPOSED to be able to do, then ask yourself if Clayface was supposed to be able to hurt someone who has almost superman-like durability.
Originally posted by batdude123
Now, ask yourself a question. Is Venom as durable as Supergirl? The answer is a resounding "hell no." And you think Venom is going to take multiple strikes from Clayface without being hurt at all? Laughable.
The only laughable thing here is that you pretend to know about the character more than you really know. That's the problem with Venom. When people hear "Venom" they are alway like "bah, that's the guy who Spider-man defeats all the time" and that's the problem. So here we go with scans again.
Durability:
Juggernaut.
1.http://i83.imagethrust.com/images/4bYY/view-image/venomthemadness-01150-gf.html
2.http://i84.imagethrust.com/images/4bYZ/view-image/venomthemadness-01162-sl.html
3.http://i84.imagethrust.com/images/4bZ0/view-image/venomthemadness-01171-lr.html
4.http://i83.imagethrust.com/images/4bZ1/view-image/venomthemadness-01185-ta.html
Please, pay attention that he's not "surviving" attacks but laughs at them and fights back all to the point when he gets distracted by the madness virus calling him and gets tossed into toxins.
"Surviving" punch from Hulk.
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/3153/venom4ln9df9.jpg
Hulk had to thunderclap him to take him down.
Takes anti-tank missile in the chest and dozen BURNING granades.
NO effect on Venom.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7086373
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7086376
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7086383
If you'll insist I'll post scans of Venom almost killing the Thing and almost raping She-Hulk.
Originally posted by batdude123
Yet, Clayface has hit Supergirl and J'onn before. Both are immensely faster than Venom. Which is bull. They both can move at speed close to speed of light. Unless of course you claim he's that fast. Even Flash gets hit all the time, doesn't mean that every goon that hits him can move as fast as he can.
Clayface's not even 1/30 fast as Venom is:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7075501
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7075503
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Originally posted by batdude123
If he grows to the size of a 20 story building, hitting Venom won't be that hard.
Seriously, when was the last time you read anything about Venom? Cause "big" is a moot point when it comes to Brock.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7221121
Add his "bbullet-catching-speed" and camoufladge.
You're right. Clayface can hit Venom... If Brock gets bored and falls asleep during the fight...
Originally posted by batdude123
Your comparing a stabbing from Clayface to a stabbing from Wolverine? When Clayface learns to cut through titanium metal like through butter let me know. Untill that happens, enjoy...
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4976/venom07p175waoj2.jpg
Originally posted by batdude123
CF would smash Venom without much trouble at all. It doesn't matter how long it takes him to connect or hit him multiple times, but at that size, it's inevitable. Venom doesn't require sleep, he doesn't need food, he doesn't need to breathe (which you had no idea about), he can keep fighting for days or even weeks non-stop before starts to tire, which means he can fight for that long at his full speed which is >>>>>>> Clayface's reaction time, let alone speed. And he can become complitley invicible by camoufladging himself. So far, I haven't heard a single good reason how the hell is CF gonna hit him, except that he's big...
Originally posted by batdude123
Venom is not gonna hide like a pussy the entire fight. That just wouldn't be in character for Brock. So that scenario is out. This is a vs forum, Venom can do anything he wants within his abilities, and using camoufladge when it's convinient is one of them.
Originally posted by batdude123
I'm listening.
Good, I hope you REALLY do.
Originally posted by batdude123
An INCREDIBLY false statement. Of course he can hurt Venom for God's sake. And Venom wouldn't be able to take all that many shots from Clayface shaped like enormous daggers.
For now, I proved that Venom can take 10xworse attacks than anything CF is capable of and without much trouble.
Originally posted by batdude123
He's hit A LOT faster characters than Venom before. Unlike taking dozen attacks on regular basis(which proves character's durability), hitting light-fast characters from time to time IS made for the sake of interesting fight scenes, especially if the character has no speed feats to back it up. Again, Clayface is NOWHERE near as fast as Venom.
Originally posted by batdude123
Alright, imagine if you will Martian Manhunter. Now, I want you to take away the invisibility, intangibility, telepathy, and Martian vision.
Do you think Venom could stalemate him then?.
If you say yes, you know you'll sound like a gigantic Venom fanboy.
If you say no, then you're just being hypocritical because when you take away the stuff I mentioned above from J'onn, he's the same as Clayface.. If you think that taking all that from J'onn would make him an equel to clayface, then I have better things to do than answering this kinda questions, especially since Martian manhunter has nothing to do with this fight. Besides, Venom has a powerfull telepathy himself.
Originally posted by batdude123
And I think you're just wanting Brock to be able to figure out the water weakness. That's about as justified as me saying CF will be able to figure out the sonic weakness for Venom. Um... actually no. Because I was judging by my personal experience. When I first read about Clayface, water was the first thing that came to my mind, and I'm not making this up. And I was a kid at that time, and I can't say I'm that smart, especially comparing to Eddie Brock. So figuring that water would work is just a matter of time. Of short time...
Unlike sonics.
Also, when was the last time you went to a forest. Finding water is EASY, you can find a source in any forest.
Originally posted by batdude123
Venom isn't stalemating Clayface. Clayface for the win.
The thing is that you do not know enough about Venom to judge, also it happened that you debate with guy who own every single Venom appearance. I know what he's capable of, and I know for the fact that he can dodge Clayface all day with ease even with his back turned on him. I also know for the fact that if Venom uses camoufladge he wouldn't even need to dodge CF, he could just stand there and watch. I also know for the fact that he can take MUCH worse than any CF attack and laugh at it. And I can prove all that, in fact I already have.
So it's or Venom wins, or stalemate. No other options.