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who wins, please discuss?

Originally posted by lordboo
who wins, please discuss?

PF

Ultimator smites them, just like Multi-Eternity would.

Ultimator no doubt in that

Originally posted by Utrigita
Ultimator no doubt in that

PF is immortal

PF will just be erased from reality

Originally posted by Utrigita
PF will just be erased from reality

Are u sure

Yeah, Guy. Phoenix Force is not immortal. Look.

(scans are courtesy of Mr. Master)

Galactus intended on Separating the Phoenix Force from Rachel Summers,
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7420/43665650sn8.th.jpg
and have it returned to the Cosmos, even if it meant her Rachel's life.

Rachel accepts her fate


"it's only one LIFE he wants ... I give it to him"
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/8148/g7ur2.th.jpg

BUT

"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/6415/g8dh2.th.jpg


Then Roma says,

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"

DEATH speaks about Galactus BREAKING the "Eternal Pattern"



"violate at your own peril"
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/5861/g9yi2.th.jpg
Galactus then says,

"my sustenance is living Planets, the Phoenix can Obliterate an entire Cosmos"


Then Death responds with,

"and FROM that DEATH (Obliterate an entire Cosmos) Bring about New Life but you're CHANGING that, BREAKING the ETERNAL PATTERN"

The "obliterate the cosmos" and the "new life" refer to what Phoenix IS - the spark that ignites the universal big bang. If Galactus erases the PF, the "eternal pattern" is screwed because there's no new big bang and no new life.

Similarly, The Ultimator can be killed but like the PF, destroying it will also be very bad for existence.

PF is immortal.

Ultimator is more powerful than Mxy and even higher up imps like the 7th dimension imps. Mr. Mxy can beat PF on his own. This thread is very unfair to the PF.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Yeah, Guy. Phoenix Force is not immortal. Look.

(scans are courtesy of Mr. Master)

Galactus intended on Separating the Phoenix Force from Rachel Summers,
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7420/43665650sn8.th.jpg
and have it returned to the Cosmos, even if it meant her Rachel's life.

Rachel accepts her fate


"it's only one LIFE he wants ... I give it to him"
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/8148/g7ur2.th.jpg

BUT

"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/6415/g8dh2.th.jpg


Then Roma says,

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"

DEATH speaks about Galactus BREAKING the "Eternal Pattern"



"violate at your own peril"
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/5861/g9yi2.th.jpg
Galactus then says,

"my sustenance is living Planets, the Phoenix can Obliterate an entire Cosmos"


Then Death responds with,

"and FROM that DEATH (Obliterate an entire Cosmos) Bring about New Life but you're CHANGING that, BREAKING the ETERNAL PATTERN"

The "obliterate the cosmos" and the "new life" refer to what Phoenix IS - the spark that ignites the universal big bang. If Galactus erases the PF, the "eternal pattern" is screwed because there's no new big bang and no new life.

Similarly, The Ultimator can be killed but like the PF, destroying it will also be very bad for existence.

Cool scans

Galactus lost to Rachel Summers

Galactus didn't look impressive against Gravity

Big G is powerful. IMO, PF>Galactus

Before it turns into a barrage of insults, I am staying with the Force. It will always live

Originally posted by guy222
Cool scans

Galactus lost to Rachel Summers

Galactus didn't look impressive against Gravity

Big G is powerful. IMO, PF>Galactus

Before it turns into a barrage of insults, I am staying with the Force. It will always live

IT will always live, but the Ultimator is every thing from the tenth on down and can't be destroyed. While the PF will always live, The Ultimator simply IS.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT will always live, but the Ultimator is every thing from the tenth on down and can't be destroyed. While the PF will always live, The Ultimator simply IS.

Are u saying Stalemate?

Originally posted by guy222
Cool scans

Galactus lost to Rachel Summers

Galactus didn't look impressive against Gravity

Big G is powerful. IMO, PF>Galactus

Before it turns into a barrage of insults, I am staying with the Force. It will always live The scans prove it is able to be destroyed however.
Ultimator > Galactus.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT will always live, but the Ultimator is every thing from the tenth on down and can't be destroyed. While the PF will always live, The Ultimator simply IS.

NO. The ultimator beats the crap out of the PF. The 5D imps are superior to the PF in everyway. They are all immortal as well. The Ultimator simply absorbs them into his being. Ultimator>>>>>>>>>>>>5Dimps>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PF

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT will always live, but the Ultimator is every thing from the tenth on down and can't be destroyed. While the PF will always live, The Ultimator simply IS.
Too bad he was a lie made up by Mxyztplk in the end of "New years evil Mr. Mxyztplk", Superman said that he didn't belive him--besides the 3th dimension still existed, even thoguh it was devoured by him.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO. The ultimator beats the crap out of the PF. The 5D imps are superior to the PF in everyway. They are all immortal as well. The Ultimator simply absorbs them into his being. Ultimator>>>>>>>>>>>>5Dimps>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PF

PF

It was Galactus' intention to separate the Force from Rachel, thats what he said he was going to do and thats what Roma later cautioned him against doing.

What people are wrong in doing is assuming that because the stars were going that Galactus was killing the Force or wiping it out of existence. That is not stated anywhere on panel and neither is it depicted. You are just seeing what you want to see on panel, you are not relaying what is just stated clear as day for all to see.

The stars started fading because Galactus was disrupting nature by severing the bond between Phoenix and its avatar. The Phoenix manifests on the physical plane via an avatar to carry out its Phoenix work. Galactus was attempting to wrench the Force from Rachel.




"There is a natural order to her being" Rachels being, her bond with the Force is part of the natural order.

"As to yours" Just like Galactus' being is part of the natural order

"And all creation" Just like there a natural order to creation itself.

Romas basically saying that Rachel in her role as a host for the Phoenix Force is as much a part of the natural of scheme of things as Galactus and as creation itself.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29021195529.jpg



Roma said:

"You can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being as to yours, and all creation"

In other words he cant separate Rachel from the Force as that bond is as much a part of the natural order of things as both Galactus and creation itself.

Roma then says "Violate it (said bond she talked of) at your peril"

Galactus then tries to justify his actions

"My sustenance is living planets, the Phoenix can obliterate an entire cosmos"

by saying he only eats planets while Phoenix can destroy the cosmos.


Death talks about the benefits of the Phoenix "And from that death bring about new life."

Death then berates Galactus' actions as Roma did "But youre changing that, breaking the eternal pattern"

How is Galactus doing that? What did Galactus say the machine was doing?

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/1/1414025991.jpg

Seperating the Force from Rachel and returning it to the universe.

AFTER the stars started fading did Roma criticize Galactus for killing or erasing the Force or did she merely berate him for separating the Force from Rachel?

"You can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death"

Thats what i thought.

Why?

"there is a natural order to her being"

Precisely.




WHERE does it say the Force is going to die or be erased from existence through Galactus' attempts to separate the two?

Roma berated Galactus for being silly enough to separate the two(The Force and Rachel) because her being(her role as an avatar) is as much a part of nature as Galactus or creation itself. (The wielding of the Force being said to be a birthright of the Grey family) Hence the reason why the stars were fading. Because Galactus was disrupting that natural bond.

As death said "breaking that eternal pattern"

Ultamator is one of the stupidest characters ever created...but funny

Originally posted by Juntai
The scans prove it is able to be destroyed however.


Not so.

If Mxy couldn't beat Ultimator Phoenix won't do jack against him.

Mr. Master dealed with your crap in the same thread i got the scans, GS.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=8686229& amp;highlight=Rachel+Galactus+userid%3A88754#post8
686229

Death, the Watcher and Roma are not gonna be talking about how doomed the cosmos is just because Rachel dies. They were talking of the Eternal Pattern and how killing Phoenix, as he was about to do, would upset that pattern.

NIKKOLAS its very interesting how you would so idioticly take MR MASTER'S word for whats happening on the panels when every one can so clearly see what is going on. i ask you NIKKALOS when galactus came what exactly did he say he was going to do (separate the phoenix force from rachel) right so where did you or MR MASTER get from what he actually said out of his mouth. that he was killing the phoenix force. you dont because your making it up to discredit GS but good job though your gonna stick to that. BUT if you would just take two seconds and read whats going on instead of holding on so cold hardly to every word that MR MASTER says and get a mind of your own you'd know whats happening. oh and one another thing it very funny how you and MR MASTER makes these claims yet have no panel proof because you'd think that if the phoenix force was actually dieing. DEATH WHO WAS ACTUALLY THERE witnessing WOULD HAVE AT LEAST STATED SOMETHING ON PANEL NOT JUST SPECULATTION LIKE YOU AND MR MASTER ARE DOING ABOUT IT the phoenix force dieing you guy are really some thing else (LIARS).

DOUBLE POST SORRY