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who takes it?

Originally posted by lordboo
who takes it?

which kk

elder should win, written properly

Originally posted by guy222
which kk

elder should win, written properly
dc kk

Originally posted by lordboo
dc kk

thanks

champion should win...power gem augments his class 100+ even more

Non gem should take it.

Gem killes 'em.

With the Power Gem, Champion would win. I believe it's been established that the wielder of the Power Gem can't be beaten physically.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
With the Power Gem, Champion would win. I believe it's been established that the wielder of the Power Gem can't be beaten physically. Except by Thanos, Gamora, Thor, Maxam, Warlock, etc, right?

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Except by Thanos, Gamora, Thor, Maxam, Warlock, etc, right?

When? I don't recall a Power Gem user ever being physically beaten down and overpowered before.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
When? I don't recall a Power Gem user ever being physically beaten down and overpowered before. Thor beat the shit out of Drax with it.
Gamora kicked the Power Gem out of Drax, hurting him.
Maxam basically stalemated/beat Drax the first time they met.
Thanos embaressed Champ.
I think Drax had the gem, although I'm not sure, when Warlock beat his ass.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Thor beat the shit out of Drax with it.

Thor was hurting Drax, but Drax was far from beaten. It wasn't until Thor knocked the Power Gem out of Drax that he was able to physically defeat him.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Gamora kicked the Power Gem out of Drax, hurting him.

True, but it wasn't a fight, and Drax didn't go down. It was just a way to get the gem out of him.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Maxam basically stalemated/beat Drax the first time they met.

He beat Drax via BFR, not with strength.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Thanos embaressed Champ.

He embarrassed him by having Champ destroy the planet they were on and leaving him there. He didn't knock Champion out.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I think Drax had the gem, although I'm not sure, when Warlock beat his ass.

The only time I remember Warlock beating Drax was when they were in the Soul World together. Is there another time?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Thor was hurting Drax, but Drax was far from beaten. It wasn't until Thor knocked the Power Gem out of Drax that he was able to physically defeat him. Thor had him down earlier for like four or five pages, and that was after Drax cheapshotted him.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4350/thor46910tu4.th.jpg

Four pages later...
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/1594/thor46914eo7.th.jpg




Originally posted by celestialdemon
True, but it wasn't a fight, and Drax didn't go down. It was just a way to get the gem out of him. Still, with the Power Gem, as it's so hyped out to be, Drax shouldn't feel that.



Originally posted by celestialdemon
He beat Drax via BFR, not with strength. He was matching him, and threw him away.

He also matched him when they had an armwrestle, but an untimely annoyance, ended it with Maxam being distracted.



Originally posted by celestialdemon
He embarrassed him by having Champ destroy the planet they were on and leaving him there. He didn't knock Champion out. Hurt him, etc.
Meh, I was mostly thinking of a claim a while back.

Anyway, Thanos did match blows with Thor with it.



Originally posted by celestialdemon
The only time I remember Warlock beating Drax was when they were in the Soul World together. Is there another time? F*ck it, I lost the comic.

Anyway, I'm thinking of the fight where Warlock had him in a choke.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Thor had him down earlier for like four or five pages, and that was after Drax cheapshotted him.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4350/thor46910tu4.th.jpg

Four pages later...
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/1594/thor46914eo7.th.jpg

I'll concede with this one, although it doesn't make sense that Thor was able to knock him out in one shot when they have battled to a stalemate before. Moondragon even told Thor during the Infinity Crusade that he couldn't beat Drax as long as he had the Power Gem, and they were allies at the time.


Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Still, with the Power Gem, as it's so hyped out to be, Drax shouldn't feel that.

Not necessarily. Every wielder of the Power Gem has felt pain. Even when Thanos fought with just the Power Gem in the Infinity Gauntlet. I don't think it increases durability.


Originally posted by Jebus reborn
He was matching him, and threw him away.

He also matched him when they had an armwrestle, but an untimely annoyance, ended it with Maxam being distracted.

True but the battle was short lived and ending it with a BFR doesn't mean he was stronger.


Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Hurt him, etc.
Meh, I was mostly thinking of a claim a while back.

Anyway, Thanos did match blows with Thor with it.

Yes, he did, but he didn't defeat Thor with brawn.


Originally posted by Jebus reborn
F*ck it, I lost the comic.

Anyway, I'm thinking of the fight where Warlock had him in a choke.

You mean this?

http://img51.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/vsdestr8.jpg



It was in the Soul World before Drax had the Power Gem. SS was with them.

http://img51.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/vsdestr11.jpg

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I'll concede with this one, although it doesn't make sense that Thor was able to knock him out in one shot when they have battled to a stalemate before. Moondragon even told Thor during the Infinity Crusade that he couldn't beat Drax as long as he had the Power Gem, and they were allies at the time. Moondragon said this?
Which makes it a fact, or even something to think about, how?


Either way, a Power Gem weilder was beaten physically before.


Originally posted by celestialdemon
Not necessarily. Every wielder of the Power Gem has felt pain. Even when Thanos fought with just the Power Gem in the Infinity Gauntlet. I don't think it increases durability. Thanos during the IG saga, had some bad, BAD, pis involved.

Also, it's supposed to make the weilder almost indestructable, and if it doesn't give duriblity, then Champ should have been KO'ed in about one shot against Thanos.


Originally posted by celestialdemon
True but the battle was short lived and ending it with a BFR doesn't mean he was stronger.

Yes, he did, but he didn't defeat Thor with brawn.
He/they matched something that was supposedly be able to give the weilder unlimited might...



Originally posted by celestialdemon
You mean this?

It was in the Soul World before Drax had the Power Gem. SS was with them.
No... I don't think anyway...
Is this the same one where Warlock chokes Drax with his staff?

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Moondragon said this?
Which makes it a fact, or even something to think about, how?


Either way, a Power Gem weilder was beaten physically before.

Because she was an ally of Thor and didn't want him wasting his time on a battle he wasn't going to win.

So, why isn't the battle with Thor PIS? Again, a Power Gem wielder has never been physically beaten before, yet Thor knocks Drax out with one shot despite them fighting to a stalemate before.


Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Also, it's supposed to make the weilder almost indestructable, and if it doesn't give duriblity, then Champ should have been KO'ed in about one shot against Thanos.

Why? Champion is an Elder. They aren't easily defeated, even by the likes of Thanos.


Originally posted by Jebus reborn
He/they matched something that was supposedly be able to give the weilder unlimited might...

Drax could only tap into the gem subconsciously. He didn't know how to properly wield it. He doesn't know how to instantly tap into it's infinite power.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
No... I don't think anyway...
Is this the same one where Warlock chokes Drax with his staff?

No. Warlock uses his staff in the fight, but not to choke Drax out with it. I'm not aware of a battle like that. If you can find scans, I'd like to see them.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Because she was an ally of Thor and didn't want him wasting his time on a battle he wasn't going to win.

So, why isn't the battle with Thor PIS? Again, a Power Gem wielder has never been physically beaten before, yet Thor knocks Drax out with one shot despite them fighting to a stalemate before. So, making her an ally, allows her to tap into his power, and figure out exactly how powerful he is, as apposed to Drax?

A Power Gem weilder has never really faced anyone of significance either... besides the Thor/Thanos fight.




Originally posted by celestialdemon
Why? Champion is an Elder. They aren't easily defeated, even by the likes of Thanos. Champ basically got one-shotted by Surfer...
Got his ribs broken by Thing (Thanos took Thing's best shot, and then one-punched him), got beat up by She-Hulk, got one-punched by Drax with the Gem, and really, Drax isn't stronger than Thanos.




Originally posted by celestialdemon
Drax could only tap into the gem subconsciously. He didn't know how to properly wield it. He doesn't know how to instantly tap into it's infinite power. Even tapping into supposed unlimited power...



Originally posted by celestialdemon
No. Warlock uses his staff in the fight, but not to choke Drax out with it. I'm not aware of a battle like that. If you can find scans, I'd like to see them. I saw it on the forums many times, just don't know what issue it is, and where the scans are posted...
Not entirely sure that Drax had the Gem though...

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
So, making her an ally, allows her to tap into his power, and figure out exactly how powerful he is, as apposed to Drax?

A Power Gem weilder has never really faced anyone of significance either... besides the Thor/Thanos fight.

No. Just means that Moondragon is looking out for Thor's best interest instead of trying to hype Drax up.


Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Champ basically got one-shotted by Surfer...
Got his ribs broken by Thing (Thanos took Thing's best shot, and then one-punched him), got beat up by She-Hulk, got one-punched by Drax with the Gem, and really, Drax isn't stronger than Thanos.

The only time I've seen Surfer beat Champion was by using his power cosmic. Champion beat Thing down but refused to kill him. As for getting beat up by She-Hulk, well, she's She-Hulk. She also beat the hell out of the Thanos clone (who should still be very powerful).


Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Even tapping into supposed unlimited power...

Hulk has the ability to tap into unlimited power, but I've seen him matched before.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
No. Just means that Moondragon is looking out for Thor's best interest instead of trying to hype Drax up. Which, she apparently was wrong on...




Originally posted by celestialdemon
The only time I've seen Surfer beat Champion was by using his power cosmic. Champion beat Thing down but refused to kill him. As for getting beat up by She-Hulk, well, she's She-Hulk. She also beat the hell out of the Thanos clone (who should still be very powerful). Ya, and as far as I'm concerned, Thanos can hit harder than a weak beam from Surfer.
Thanos one-punched Thing... a little different than going multiple rounds with him...
Still doesn't compare to Thanos, and the clone wasn't really fighting back.




Originally posted by celestialdemon
Hulk has the ability to tap into unlimited power, but I've seen him matched before. A little too much to be called unlimited...
Also, I don't think the Power Gem supplies unlimited power, which would be my point.
It is basically impossible for one being to tap into this power, outside of Jebus, or God.

And, add in the main point that all this umlimited power has been matched, and matched, and matched throughout it's entire run, it almost completely contridicts it supplying unlimited power.

Oh, and a Gem user was trapped in a block of pure force, for a couple comics...

Guess we're going to have to disagree then. You don't believe the Power Gem can grant unlimited power unless used by an already supreme being. I believe that it can if used properly.

How would Godslayer affect Champ w/ power gem?