Goob's Tourney- Match 4

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SpunkySmurph
Ok, listen up ladies and germs! Are you guys ready?

That is, ready for...

Blair Wind vs. King Kandy!!!

Contestants, and their character amalgams are as follows:


Blair Wind
-The Hellfire King
1.(Mind) Tony Stark
2.(Body) Sebastian Shaw
3.(Powers) The Spot

vs

King Kandy
1.(Mind) War Machine
2.(Body) Abomination
3.(Powers) Emma Frost


Location- Atlantas, the contenders will each have nanotechnology injected into their blood stream that allows them to be able to function underwater. They will be approximately 1 mile apart.

I'll post the write ups upon receiving them both.

SpunkySmurph
B-Dub's Write Up:

SpunkySmurph
King K's Write Up:



Start Debating!!!!

Redatom65
I will leave one opening comment, and leave this thread before the debate begins. This should be the most entertaining debate of the opening round. Good luck fellas

King Kandy
King Kandy: Post 1 of 8

Okay, so a good half of Blairs prep was detroyed because he didn't guess i'd be using warwear, so none of his stuff about destroying my backpack is valid.

Also, he think's i'll be one Mile away from him. This is true at the beginning of Prep, but by the end of it I will be far away from him... Pretty much the whole Atlantis away. He won't be taunting me.

Also, he spent so much time explaining how my TP won't work. The only problem is... I'm not using any TP for this match. If I do, then i'll do it after his armor has been shaved of near the end of the fight.

I won't be taking the offensive, and I won't let him taunt me... he won't know where I am, either. However, whenever he finds me and chases me, I get the hell out of there, and he gets blasted by some drones. And he won't take me by surprise, either, since my Data-Spy will see him at all times, and thus I will know where he is at all times.

EMP defense... Do you really think an incredibly powerful alien civilization will have no EMP defense? Stark knows nothing of Eidilon, but I know all about him. And with my Data-Spy I'll know about all the extra equiptment he's carrying... So I'll adapt to be Surge resistant (If I'm not already.)

By the way, my drones will be scouting the field for him...

Freezing me won't work either; Eidilon is perfectly capable of fighting in space. I just mioght be faster then him as well, so he's not getting the jump on me. And his missile won't work either. I'll know where he is, what he's carrying, and he's being constantly bombarded.

If he destroys a drone, I'll make a new one. So anyway, I win. big grin

The Prophecy
Well seems to me by far there tragedies both seem well interpreted and planned. I will have to review both cases once more before posting my decision.Until then Good luck to you both.
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King Kandy
Originally posted by The Prophecy
Well seems to me by far there tragedies both seem well interpreted and planned. I will have to review both cases once more before posting my decision.Until then Good luck to you both.
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Unofficial post:

You're not a Judge. You don't contribute to the decision. And if you need to comment, do it in the discussion thread.

illadelph12
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long pig
Dude, Blair's going to eat you alive with that shitty line-up you have there. You realized this is an ironman tourny, correct?

But, due to the BFR rules, as soon as spot jumps through a portal, he loses.

SpunkySmurph
Originally posted by illadelph12
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Digi, please pin this thread. Thank you.

Blair Wind
To say the least I am surprised you used the War Wear armor. Tactically, you will soon find out that it was in fact a mistake.

Lets start by going over what I did and how I impose my will of the match on you. I said from the start, I would stay adaptable, and that is what I am going to do. Your war wear presented a slight snag with great benefits....for me. Let me make this clear to start off with: if you try to run away, I create a spot portal and have you back at a respectable distance to me. So no, you wont be running away like a dog with his tail tucked in. Also, since the beginning I have had you on my scanners, and any drones will be showing up on them. Let us then move on to my countermeasures

Counter Measures:
You created your independent drones to attack and spy on me, and against most adversary's that would have been a decent plan. Against my line up it was foolish, and will cost you the match.

Concerning your data thieves, if ALIEN nanites so small that they could enter a normal persons body through the pores on their skin, cannot enter the suit, and Tony KNOWS they are there, what hope do you think your data thief has? Answer? None, but getting destroyed when I activate my proximity grid and fry it

On to your attacking drones, you must have forgotten that I am covered in spot portals , and Ironman nowadays has energy absorbers all over his suit (consider that the armor from the Crossing arc is extremely inferior compared to all the newer models in terms of well....everything.) So what doesn't hit me I can redirect towards either your drones or your person, and what does hit me makes me stronger and incredibly more powerful.

These simple counter measures lead to an incredibly efficient offense.

Offensive:

Now then, any energy that gets sucked into my body spot portals hits your person and the firing drones, and has you reeling from your own attacks. Moreso than usual incidentally because every time any drone of yours gets destroyed its like a part of your war wear AND you were killed . You have such an empathetic link to them that anytime any of your drones is destroyed you feel their pain, and WM has in fact gone unconscious from just one drone being destroyed

With Aboms and Emma's added durability (which is an added redundancy and works against each other. Emma's turns the WHOLE body into a diamond, therefore negating Aboms durability effect) unable to protect your drones, they are all going to get destroyed and YOU will feel their pain.

Also any attack that I myself put on your person, or any redirected attack on your person will hurt the war wear armor since a simple repulser has torn it before , and I can just have my tactical computer take over for perfect accuracy, and battle tactic suggestions in case I need to adapt again

With you literally reeling from your own attacks (and if I get bored enough, mine), I continue as planned with my offense.

I get you spottcuffed (my new word for this ). Remember your sense of direction will be horrendously thrown off. All appendages of his body will be 20 ft from his body as described in my opening post, and his head will be facing away from all other parts so he cannot see anything but ocean water.

Absolute zero is still absolute zero. Your statement that absolute zero will have no effect on you is absurd. Space has a temperature difference of three degrees, which compared to absolute zero is a significant difference, as molecules actually stop moving at that temp.

With you spotcuffed, frozen, and hell maybe even knocked out from your drones being destroyed, the final piece to this chess game is set in place. I let off with the adamantium missile directly into your head. Your war wear cant handle that, abom cannot handle that, and even emma's diamond form cannot handle that (even more so because I was aiming for a headshot, the shot is lucky in that her diamond flaw is in her forehead).

Then I just slap the gravity cancellers on you and watch you head for orbit smile


Recap:
Essentially you said that you would send your drones out to find me, and you would run away like a scared kid. You gave me a way to hurt you without you actually being there. You see Rhodes has a empathetic link with his drones and when one is hurt he actually gets hurt. Hell he can go unconscious just by destroying one.

However, that was just the beginning. Almost my whole strategy is still left intact. In fact the ONLY part I took out was the EMP and its debatable whether it would have worked or not. I proved I have defenses against your TP if you choose to use it, Ive proved that I can hit you from behind, that I can redirect any of your attacks, and thats all I need really.

Your assumption of what his morphing ability entails is staggering since it was only used in one panel. I do however know that the war wear cannot take a repulser to the gut, and I control where I want you to be through spot manipulations. You go too far, I teleport you back. You come to close, I teleport you back. You cannot do anything without my say so. How are you doing to stop my successive system? I drop your drones, hurt you in the process, and continue as planned.

Good thing we have that all cleared. Back on to the original point, I destroy your drones after having them come up in my scans, in the process you get hurt, and then have my original plan go into affect (spotcuffing you, freezing you with absolute zero, and spiking you through your head.) Your warwear changes nothing, and in fact it might make things easier for me to win.

Conclusion?
I win, and I don't even have to attack YOU do it. I just start off with the drones, and end your life when your in so much pain you get knocked out. evil face You cannot control where you go, and I have the advantage in firepower, as I can redirect your own fire. Your simply outclassed in terms of versatility, maneuverability, and tech. You brought a good game Kandy....

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Scans:

Alien nanites cannot get into his armor, and then even smaller ones cannot.
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Anything touching his armor gets electrified thanks to his proximity grid
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Spots on my Ironman suit
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Energy absorbing
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War Wear drone killed, empathetic link found
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When ONE drone was killed, he went UNCONSCIOUS.
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Repulser tears up the suit
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Computer accuracy
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Computer tactic suggestions
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Spotcuffed
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Adamantium tipped missile
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King Kandy
Originally posted by Blair Wind
I create a spot portal and have you back at a respectable distance to me.
Only one problem... Spot can't create Spots anywhere he wants. he throws them, as we see in the following scan.

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/6900/spoteg4.jpg

As you can see, they aren't exactly unavoidable.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Also, since the beginning I have had you on my scanners, and any drones will be showing up on them. Let us then move on to my countermeasures
Your underwater effectivity isn't that high... Unlike me, you haven't adapted to a water form.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Concerning your data thieves, if ALIEN nanites so small that they could enter a normal persons body through the pores on their skin, cannot enter the suit, and Tony KNOWS they are there, what hope do you think your data thief has?
Well alot more then these things, because I don't have to get inside the armor... I only have to attach.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
On to your attacking drones, you must have forgotten that I am covered in spot portals , and Ironman nowadays has energy absorbers all over his suit (consider that the armor from the Crossing arc is extremely inferior compared to all the newer models in terms of well....everything.) So what doesn't hit me I can redirect towards either your drones or your person, and what does hit me makes me stronger and incredibly more powerful.
Show me a "Redirection, so to speak... Cause as far as I con tell, he's only ever put projectiles into the spot-realm.

http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spot2fz1.jpg

So I want PROOF you can redirect an energy beam.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Now then, any energy that gets sucked into my body spot portals hits your person and the firing drones, and has you reeling from your own attacks.
Not without proof you can do so, you won't.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Moreso than usual incidentally because every time any drone of yours gets destroyed its like a part of your war wear AND you were killed . You have such an empathetic link to them that anytime any of your drones is destroyed you feel their pain, and WM has in fact gone unconscious from just one drone being destroyed
Won't work, for three reasons.

A. I don't think it's destruction backlash will pass from the spot realm to my world.
B. My character has a much higher tolerance for pain then Rhodes did.
C. A psychic backlash will land on... Oh yeah, the guy who's immune to psychics.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
and I can just have my tactical computer take over for perfect accuracy,
Your aim won't be so great under water.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I get you spottcuffed (my new word for this ). Remember your sense of direction will be horrendously thrown off. All appendages of his body will be 20 ft from his body as described in my opening post, and his head will be facing away from all other parts so he cannot see anything but ocean water.
I'll be flying around at mach ten... You think you can hit me with some thrown Spots when they couldn't even hit Spiderman?

Also, couldn't I just... Pull back?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Absolute zero is still absolute zero. Your statement that absolute zero will have no effect on you is absurd. Space has a temperature difference of three degrees, which compared to absolute zero is a significant difference, as molecules actually stop moving at that temp.
And what, while I'm being subjected to this for like 0.00001 of a second... The temperature will immediatly rise, and since my character handles cold easily, I'll be back on my feat. You won't since my drones are bombarding you.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I let off with the adamantium missile directly into your head. Your war wear cant handle that, abom cannot handle that, and even emma's diamond form cannot handle that.
To bad I won't actualy be damaged, so I'll be able to dodge it, knock it off course, or hide behind a spot and have it redirected at YOU...


The Big Problem with Blair's Prep:
But he won't have any of his stuff from his ware house for two reasons.

Reason one is that the Spot has NEVER shown to be able to travel that far. Ever. You're having him go somewhere that's so far away he won't have reliable effects.

Reason two is even more pressing. I'll give you a hint. One side of his spot is in the warehouse, the other sides in the middle of the ocean... And it's the size of a human.

The warehouse is going to get wet. It'll be filled with water, so even if he gets there, he'll have a tough time:

A. Manuevering.
B. Finding everything.
C. Finding things that aren't short circuited.

Blair Wind
So your gonna make this more interesting than last time. Props at least for that. Now its time to debate smile

Counter points:


Interesting, using his first showing. Good thing I have them ALL, and he later starts creating spots even when he is not "powered" up. So he couldnt have thrown it wink


Did you just really say my accuracy underwater will not be the good? What the f**k? Ironman has fought plenty of times underwater. That statement was just absurd. He even states himself while underwater that he builds his armor for ANY environment Besides, I was also under the assumption that the nanites would "magically" as it were allow a person and his tech to exist just fine under water.


You attach to my armor, you get fried. Simple


Redirection? He can redirect his punches, and anything that travels in them.


You can believe what you want but its wrong. The thing is its more like a part of you died. Thats gonna hurt you tons. Its an empathetic link, you feel it, but its not anything to do with your pain. Its like being alive through your death if that made any sense. Besides, Emma's TP is not working when in diamond form, and its not a "telepathic" link per say anyways. Its empathetic.


Please, WM doesnt move at mach ten. In a straight line Ive seen him reach Mach 2 with that armor.

So thrown spots are dumb, but created spots that work as cuffes (like they did to Spiderman wouldnt help you much now would they). Plus your body is in a distorted mess, so you wouldnt know which way to pull even if you could erm



It would take quite a while for you get back to not being frozen. Its a distractionary tactic anyways.

The drones bombarding me does nothing. Energy absorbers and spots dude. Get it straight. With the tactics your using your doing nothing but powering me up.

So how exactly do you plan on hurting me? Anything that hits my body in an energy form gets absorbed or powers the suit. no expression

Even if I dont redirect your attacks, they still get absorbed into my spots. Please HOW are you hurting me? confused


When its spotted directly next to your head with a magnetic push? If spiderman's spidey sense could not sense things coming from the spot, how will you in time?



What do you know about Spot's traveling distances? confused
He has created a portal for someone to go from New York to Switzerland, and he can travel inter-dimensional space. Hell he was one of two parts that lead to the negative zone in a FF comic


Interesting. However your reasoning is flawed. My portal is skin tight and I can us a forcefield to seal it and make it water sealed. Tony is no dummy erm (or in another way, I go into the spotted realm, then go through a second spot) Either way works


Lets recheck things:

Your offensive has yet to be able to hurt me, I have two ways of absorbing your offensive. Energy absorbers and spots.

Your drones send pain back at you when I destroy them.

My targeting systems can fire at your WM armor while my armor itself deals with the energy firing (absorbing or spot defense)

All the while, I am controlling the fight, the flow of everything, and any attack you give off I redirect to you or absorb for myself.

So back on topic

Let us realize that my team has one of the best defenses in the game with my spots. You actually hitting my armor with your bolts does NOTHING but powering me up (showing an extremely old armor fairing against it is nothing compared to the new ones).

Your drones are not doing ANYTHING productive. I can just let you hit my armor and spots. I can destroy your drones with my own armor, my repulser blasts, pulse bolts (that hit harder the farther they go), and uni beam will put a hurting on anything you can do. My tactics follow in tight precision while yours are sloppy and can get you in a ton of trouble. You have no REAL way of hurting me. You may have fancy remote drones, but its not gonna be enough to take down a man covered in inter-dimensional spots, and energy absorbing armor.

Hell I will even one up you. Lets PRETEND that your energy blasts do anything BUT get absorbed. Say they bust through my armor. I have Shaw as my body dude. Lets take a look at what that means as Shaw absorbs kinetic energy. Anything hits him, be it energy or physical force and he gets more powerful. So your saying what? Your gonna beat me down and get me tired with a barrage of drone energy? Also, with a knife? With Shaws power the thrusting motion of a knife or sword gets taken away so all I would have would be a slight scratch if you got past my armor and spots. Man you cant get past my armor, my spots, OR my physical body. Me on the other hand? I can take it to you in any way shape or form, and hell I can even use your own stuff against you.

My strategy is a full fledged plan with room for adaptability. What your offering is a simple ambush that puts you at a liability. Past the drones you have nothing to offer to the fight, and with the drones I can hurt you. Past that, your strategy does nothing but give you a retreat, but I can locate you, teleport towards you, teleport you towards me, and take you out in a variety of ways. Hell wanna hear a pretty cool one I can only do here? I can download a signal from a satellite and broadcast the distress call of a baby sperm whale. Wanna know how it feels to be Jonah? laughing out loud (this of course would just be ANOTHER option in my top 10 ways of taking you out wink )

Sorry Kandy but http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=youlosedu2.jpg

Scans

Spot creates spots when not even "powered up"
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Goes into a bank
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Ironman going under water and saying he built his armor for any environment
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Redirect?
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Long Distance traveling
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Shaw getting hit by various energy sources
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After saving a government ship, getting caught trying to save the crewmen in the debris, then getting back up a huge squid catches him and he gets creative
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King Kandy
Well, Blair... You sure are putting up a good fight. I expected nothing less. Unfortunatly, I can end all your unfounded defamation of my strategy...

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Interesting, using his first showing. Good thing I have them ALL, and he later starts creating spots even when he is not "powered" up. So he couldnt have thrown it wink
Yeah... Doesn't matter, in his civilian mode, all his spots are concentrated on his chest. He probably pulled them off to make that portal.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Did you just really say my accuracy underwater will not be the good? What the f**k? Ironman has fought plenty of times underwater. That statement was just absurd. He even states himself while underwater that he builds his armor for ANY environment. Besides, I was also under the assumption that the nanites would "magically" as it were allow a person and his tech to exist just fine under water.
Your underwater accuracy may be fine, but there's a difference between having an armor that can function underwater (You) and having a oliteral "Aquatic Armor" (Me.)


Originally posted by Blair Wind
You attach to my armor, you get fried. Simple
You won't even notice you got attached to.. You're being constantly attacked at every faze of the battle.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Redirection? He can redirect his punches, and anything that travels in them.
I'm not punching you... confused


Originally posted by Blair Wind
You can believe what you want but its wrong. The thing is its more like a part of you died. Thats gonna hurt you tons. Its an empathetic link, you feel it, but its not anything to do with your pain. Its like being alive through your death if that made any sense. Besides, Emma's TP is not working when in diamond form, and its not a "telepathic" link per say anyways. Its empathetic.
Psychics have no effect on me. TP or Empathy, nothing. It's as if a part of you died, but... So's having your arm cut off. My character can take the pain. Ninja Curtis isn't Jim Rhodes.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Please, WM doesnt move at mach ten. In a straight line Ive seen him reach Mach 2 with that armor.
I can move escape velocity... 11 kilometers per second. That's quite a bit over Mach two. Infact, it's quite a bit over mach ten.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
So thrown spots are dumb, but created spots that work as cuffes (like they did to Spiderman wouldnt help you much now would they). Plus your body is in a distorted mess, so you wouldnt know which way to pull even if you could erm
Dude, I only need to step backwards... I won't give you time to warp every inch of my body. Infact, I won't give you time to warp ANY of my body.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
It would take quite a while for you get back to not being frozen. Its a distractionary tactic anyways.
Not really... If my character can function at 1/1000000th of a degree above absolute zero, he only needs a microsecond for it to return to speed you're comfortable with.

You won't be hitting me with your freezer anyway, I'm to fast and maneuverable.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
The drones bombarding me does nothing. Energy absorbers and spots dude. Get it straight. With the tactics your using your doing nothing but powering me up.
Get it straight yourself... You can't store infinite amounts of energy. And you don't have portal covering every inch of your body.

It's basic conservation of energy... You have to overheat eventually.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
When its spotted directly next to your head with a magnetic push? If spiderman's spidey sense could not sense things coming from the spot, how will you in time?
Because I will be tracking you... You have a data-Spy on your back, tracking your every move.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Interesting. However your reasoning is flawed. My portal is skin tight and I can us a forcefield to seal it and make it water sealed. Tony is no dummy erm (or in another way, I go into the spotted realm, then go through a second spot) Either way works
Can you describe this skin tight portal thing again? Because i'm having trouble envisioning what you're talking about... The spot can't create specially shaped portals. He can only make... Spots. That's why he's called "The Spot" and not "Portal-Man."

So your forcefield is going to contain the pressure of the entire ocean, eh?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Hell I will even one up you. Lets PRETEND that your energy blasts do anything BUT get absorbed. Say they bust through my armor. I have Shaw as my body dude. Lets take a look at what that means as Shaw absorbs kinetic energy. Anything hits him, be it energy or physical force and he gets more powerful. So your saying what? Your gonna beat me down and get me tired with a barrage of drone energy? Also, with a knife? With Shaws power the thrusting motion of a knife or sword gets taken away so all I would have would be a slight scratch if you got past my armor and spots. Man you cant get past my armor, my spots, OR my physical body. Me on the other hand? I can take it to you in any way shape or form, and hell I can even use your own stuff against you.
Shaw can be overloaded, as can your armor. Also, my knife was for your armor, not your body. After your armor is totaly destroyed, I can always use TP, and then your Shaw powers won't count for anything.


Another Flaw With Blairs Plan

Your prep involves you putting your arms, legs, and other body parts through spots, and attacking from all over the field.

So I can fly behind you (Cap Speeds) and just... Tip you over, and the spots will severe all your limbs off.

Blair Wind
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well, Blair... You sure are putting up a good fight. I expected nothing less. Unfortunatly, I can end all your unfounded defamation of my strategy...

Well its good to know your gonna go down fighting wink

Originally posted by King Kandy

Yeah... Doesn't matter, in his civilian mode, all his spots are concentrated on his chest. He probably pulled them off to make that portal.

No, he had his hands in his pockets the whole time. Plus in the bank, did he throw one to get in? laughing out loud


Originally posted by King Kandy

Your underwater accuracy may be fine, but there's a difference between having an armor that can function underwater (You) and having a oliteral "Aquatic Armor" (Me.)

Your taking a very ambiguous scan to mean that he can morph it for underwater conditions. Besides, the nanotech that Darth gave us was meant to not have the environment be a detrimental effect on us erm


Originally posted by King Kandy

You won't even notice you got attached to.. You're being constantly attacked at every faze of the battle.

The armor would notice, m'man. A proximity grid electroshock and its gone

Originally posted by King Kandy

I'm not punching you... confused

No, but its meant to show that things will be redirected.


Originally posted by King Kandy

Psychics have no effect on me. TP or Empathy, nothing. It's as if a part of you died, but... So's having your arm cut off. My character can take the pain. Ninja Curtis isn't Jim Rhodes.

Its not the pain receptors in your actual body. Its a empathetic link between you and the symbiote. Besides, Emma's TP powers dont work when in diamond form.

Originally posted by King Kandy

I can move escape velocity... 11 kilometers per second. That's quite a bit over Mach two. Infact, it's quite a bit over mach ten.

Ironman has gone out into outer space. That would be escape velocity as well would it not? Your speed is the least of my worries

Originally posted by King Kandy

Not really... If my character can function at 1/1000000th of a degree above absolute zero, he only needs a microsecond for it to return to speed you're comfortable with.

Who says he can? Space is three degrees above absolute zero. Thats QUITE a difference in terms of molecular motion man.

Originally posted by King Kandy

You won't be hitting me with your freezer anyway, I'm to fast and maneuverable.

The war wear has shown nothing but straight line speed. His reaction time isnt exactly best. Go back to the scan where Ironman hits him in the gut.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Get it straight yourself... You can't store infinite amounts of energy. And you don't have portal covering every inch of your body

It's basic conservation of energy... You have to overheat eventually.

Think about it this way. 2/3rs of my body is spots. You can hit me all day, its going to get sucked in by spots, and what doesnt gets absorbed by me. Besides if Fin Fan Foom, Sunspot, the third rail of a railtrack, hell if a lightning bolt from Thor cant do it what makes you think you can?? Its just gonna power me up.

Besides, while your hitting me with your drones, Im destroying them and going after you.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Because I will be tracking you... You have a data-Spy on your back, tracking your every move.

proximity grid + zap = no data spy.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Can you describe this skin tight portal thing again? Because i'm having trouble envisioning what you're talking about... The spot can't create specially shaped portals. He can only make... Spots. That's why he's called "The Spot" and not "Portal-Man."

So your forcefield is going to contain the pressure of the entire ocean, eh?
Well I would go in and have it be skin tight around my waist.

Alternatively I could just go into the spotted dimension, and then go into another spot. Your scared of my gadgets?

Originally posted by King Kandy

Shaw can be overloaded, as can your armor. Also, my knife was for your armor, not your body. After your armor is totaly destroyed, I can always use TP, and then your Shaw powers won't count for anything.

Your energy isnt going to do much of anything to overload shaw however. Besides my armor and spots can handle it. How are you going to knife me with my spots all over??

Originally posted by King Kandy

Another Flaw With Blairs Plan

Your prep involves you putting your arms, legs, and other body parts through spots, and attacking from all over the field.

So I can fly behind you (Cap Speeds) and just... Tip you over, and the spots will severe all your limbs off.

What the f**k? Say what? I never said I would have my arms and legs in the spots. I said I would fire things through spots, but my arms and legs dont have to be in them at any point.

But good point, I spot cuff you, hit you in the torso with a repulser, and your dead evil face

Back to explaining my offense and defense:

DEFENSE:

My armor can absorb energy so if Fin Fan Foom, Sunspot, the third rail of a rail track, hell if a lightning bolt from Thor cant do it what makes you think you can overpower me?? Its just gonna power me up.

Then I have spots. I dont even need to control those, you just hit me, and they absorb them. If I CHOOSE to I can have them redirect your beams to you. But Ill just focus on destroying your drones regularly with target lock on my onboard computer. That way I can focus on you personally with my spots.

I also have my strategically placed spots, that your drones could fly into effectively leaving them in the spotted dimension as they would have no idea where to go from there. If I choose to do evasive maneuvers this would most likely happen to them

If, for those who choose to believe it can happen, my armor gets breached by your drones, shaw can be powered up by energy. Nothing you do HURTS me but in fact HELPS me.

Ok, so I have my strategic spots, I have spots on my body, and my armor can absorb energy. If push comes to shove, I also have shaws kinetic absorbing power.

You send your drones to hit me and well the energy will just get sucked in either way. I can repulser blast or pulse bolt them to death if I want to. Hell I can ignore them since most of the energy will be put to the spotted dimension *if I choose not to redirect them at you personally* or sucked into my armor making me more powerful. I dont think your getting that concept.

OFFENSIVE:

My plan though is to hit them, while they are ineffectively hitting me. Then I go after your cowardly running away Ninja Curtis. Your plan is based on one hope, while I can adapt for any situation. Hell what are you going to do with the huge sperm whales I can bring your way?

My plan is tactically sound, and executed with precision. Your attack drones are nothing but annoying flies, and past that you have no real strategy. Your assuming that your ONE attack will take me out. It does nothing of the sort. You on the other hand? Spotcuffs ftw evil face

Besides I really doubt you can take a adamantium missile to the head...that would be your brain splattered all over Nemo's body.

Flaws with Kandy's....everything

He assumes that his drones will take care of me, and he need not worry about me at all after that. That would be underestimating his opponent, and quite frankly will cost him the match. His drones are a liability to him and his health. It will hurt him, and thats all the opening I need.

After that, which I countered, what can he offer? What did he chose to bring to the match? Nothing at all. He cannot win a fight that he chooses not to fight in. A boxer cannot expect to win with only ONE hit in the first round. You need a strategy, and multiple attacks. Kandy brought only one to the table, and it was not good enough.

Lets also remember that he has no adequate defenses against my attacks. They can happen from any spot, or even just from me. His diamond body (which negates aboms durability since her WHOLE body turns to diamond) just so happens to have a flaw in her face which my adamantium missile luckily can exploit.

Also since Ironman can pull up avenger, and SHIELD files up from his armor he will know that Abomination goes into suspended animation when in an environment lacking air or heat. The absolute zero could potentially put you to sleep. Hell if I REALLY wanted to affect you, I could create a spot in the INSIDE of your armor (between armor and body) and freeze you that way which means your armor cannot help (or hit you with a adamantium tipped missile in the head shifty ) Your amalgam is not a match for my superior versatility and adaptability.

In the end, Tony will win and:http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=youloselm7.jpg

Let us also not forget:
http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=poster19395586kl6.jpg

King Kandy
Well It's good to see Blair's keeping up the ol' spin machine to change all my strategies into bullshit. Unfortunatly, the only one with the bullshit is HIM.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
No, he had his hands in his pockets the whole time. Plus in the bank, did he throw one to get in? laughing out loud
You don't know that. He could have easily pulled Spots off his chest and put them on the wall.



Originally posted by Blair Wind
Your taking a very ambiguous scan to mean that he can morph it for underwater conditions. Besides, the nanotech that Darth gave us was meant to not have the environment be a detrimental effect on us erm
Really, because I took it to mean that our bodies were fine, but we'd have to be creative with our tech. And the tech from Stark Warehouse (Which you won't have) isn't adapted for underwater conditions in ANY interpretation.

Speaking of the rules, it's been brought to my intention that the scan you used to "Prove" that Emma's TP would be useless is actualy non-canon... It's sad you have to cheat to win.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
The armor would notice, m'man. A proximity grid electroshock and its gone
And It's such a good idea to do your electrical Shock underwater...


Originally posted by Blair Wind
No, but its meant to show that things will be redirected.
Bolts move a lot faster then punches. Your reaction speed won't be enough.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Its not the pain receptors in your actual body. Its a empathetic link between you and the symbiote. Besides, Emma's TP powers dont work when in diamond form.
Well for a while this had me stumped, but know I know this won't work. Obeserve.

Emma Feels nothing in diamond form. including Empathy, Emotion, Pain... She doesn't feel anything.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2637/nxma27pp0.th.jpg

She doesn't feel pleasure either.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1082/xmes0204rr8.jpg
http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmes0205ef3.jpg

Also, you totally misunderstood me. She's not immune to TP because she has TP herself, she's immune because her diamond form itself is immune.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Ironman has gone out into outer space. That would be escape velocity as well would it not? Your speed is the least of my worries
The point is that you can't catch me. I can run indefinatly (But I won't have to.)


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Who says he can? Space is three degrees above absolute zero. Thats QUITE a difference in terms of molecular motion man.
Calm Hulk can survive temperatures infintesmely above absolute Zero. Abomination is >Calm Hulk in all aspects. Do the math.

Furthermore, He's made of Diamond. Which won't be damaged AT ALL by the absolute Zero Transition.



Originally posted by Blair Wind
The war wear has shown nothing but straight line speed. His reaction time isnt exactly best. Go back to the scan where Ironman hits him in the gut.
I'm not using anything other then Straight line/Slightly curved speed in my strategy.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Think about it this way. 2/3rs of my body is spots. You can hit me all day, its going to get sucked in by spots, and what doesnt gets absorbed by me. Besides if Fin Fan Foom, Sunspot, the third rail of a railtrack, hell if a lightning bolt from Thor cant do it what makes you think you can?? Its just gonna power me up.
Well by that logic, no one can hurt you, even guys like Thanos, Odin, Zuras, because you'll just Shift it into the damn Spot realm or absorb it. Your systems CAN be overloaded.

Also, I'm not trying to oneshot you, I'm trying to overload you over the course of MANY hits.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Besides, while your hitting me with your drones, Im destroying them and going after you.
You destroy a Drone, I create a new Drone. I can keep this up all day.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
proximity grid + zap = no data spy.
Zap + Underwater + Iron-Man = Barbecue



Originally posted by Blair Wind
Well I would go in and have it be skin tight around my waist.You'd cut your waist of, then. How about you draw a diagram?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Alternatively I could just go into the spotted dimension, and then go into another spot. Your scared of my gadgets?
Then the entire contents of the ocean get dumoed in the spotted Zone.

Nice one.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Your energy isnt going to do much of anything to overload shaw however. Besides my armor and spots can handle it. How are you going to knife me with my spots all over??
Good Aim, and a worn out Hellfire King.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
What the f**k? Say what? I never said I would have my arms and legs in the spots. I said I would fire things through spots, but my arms and legs dont have to be in them at any point.
Then you can only shoot in one dimension. Great idea. I'm really afraid of your aim now.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
But good point, I spot cuff you, hit you in the torso with a repulser, and your dead evil face
You won't cuff me or Blast me. You're flat on the ground getting blasted by my Drones.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
I also have my strategically placed spots, that your drones could fly into effectively leaving them in the spotted dimension as they would have no idea where to go from there. If I choose to do evasive maneuvers this would most likely happen to them
They'll just walk out of the dimension, unless you close the hole. And you'll be far to busy to do that.


Everything that follows this is Blairs misguided assumption that I'm trying to one-shot him. I'm not. I'm trying to batter him, shave off his armor, then mangle him. Or mindrape him. It's a long process that involves constant attack.


However... It turns out I CAN mind attack him, because I can bypass his sheild and defenses through the vaunted scanners he's using to track me.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2623/emma35qj.jpg

So his whole prep was based on a bad assumption. erm

I win.

Blair Wind
So who are the judges for this round? And when do matches end?? confused

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well It's good to see Blair's keeping up the ol' spin machine to change all my strategies into bullshit. Unfortunatly, the only one with the bullshit is HIM.

Interesting to know this is the hottest debate so far. Dont be grouchy in front of the public eye now kandy..... On that subject however, your strategies are.....not gonna work.

Originally posted by King Kandy

You don't know that. He could have easily pulled Spots off his chest and put them on the wall.

Yes, and the bank? or the time he was fighting the grizzly guy , or the time made it appear out of thin air??

Besides, he created quite a few spots. For pulling ONE off his chest (quickly might I add for taking his shirt off, and pulling it), it seemed like he made a few.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Speaking of the rules, it's been brought to my intention that the scan you used to "Prove" that Emma's TP would be useless is actualy non-canon... It's sad you have to cheat to win.

A) One scan of the many I presented vs TP no expression
B) I didnt know marvel adventures was non canon. My apologizes.
C) Its sad you've resorted to insults to try and sound impressive.


Originally posted by King Kandy

And It's such a good idea to do your electrical Shock underwater...

confused Its not gonna bother my guy any How about yours?


Originally posted by King Kandy

Bolts move a lot faster then punches. Your reaction speed won't be enough.

Now, but if the attack is aimed at my body I wont need to. Its a 80% chance it hits a spot and gets absorbed, and the other 20% I just absorb the energy for my armor.


Originally posted by King Kandy

The point is that you can't catch me. I can run indefinatly (But I won't have to.)

But I can. I can teleport next to you, or teleport you yourself. Either way Im getting to you.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Calm Hulk can survive temperatures infintesmely above absolute Zero. Abomination is >Calm Hulk in all aspects. Do the math.

Furthermore, He's made of Diamond. Which won't be damaged AT ALL by the absolute Zero Transition.


Yet its in Abom's wiki that he will go into suspended animation without heat

Furthermore I dont think you UNDERSTAND the CONCEPT of absolute zero. ALL molecular motion STOPS. Being made of diamond does not change that.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Your systems CAN be overloaded.

Also, I'm not trying to oneshot you, I'm trying to overload you over the course of MANY hits.

Not by your team, and most definitely not with the combo of the armor and spots to synergisticlly work together. Any attack done on me with energy either gets absorbed....or absorbed. Either way works for me.



Originally posted by King Kandy

You destroy a Drone, I create a new Drone. I can keep this up all day.

And I can continue to let them hit me. Its all just gonna go into a spot. Plus if I so choose, I could lead them far away from you, then teleport quickly to your position. Besides, Rhodes has a limit to how many he can make. He said so while fighting in the Force Works HQ


Originally posted by King Kandy

Zap + Underwater + Iron-Man = Barbecue


Let me again point you to this scan no expression

Originally posted by King Kandy

You'd cut your waist of, then. How about you draw a diagram?


Then the entire contents of the ocean get dumoed in the spotted Zone.

Nice one.


You come up with the most brilliant ideas! big grin I could just let it go into the spotted realm. Whats it gonna do then but eventually go into another spot below it? eek!


Originally posted by King Kandy

Then you can only shoot in one dimension. Great idea. I'm really afraid of your aim now.


Your not understanding spots. Spots can be spot to spot travel, OR they can be spot to dimension to spot travel (evidence would be the million times a punch goes from one spot to the next, yet in the spotted dimension no two spots are that close.).

So you see, I could just fire a random shot through a spot, and redirect it where I want it.

Originally posted by King Kandy

You won't cuff me or Blast me. You're flat on the ground getting blasted by my Drones.

Almost 80% of my body is for lack of a better word insubstantial. What are you going to be blasting? confused I have the speed advantage in my teleporting. I could lead them away, draw them into the spotted realm, and close the "door". You have a finite number of drones you can make AND you can only have 2 independent constructs on the field.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Everything that follows this is Blairs misguided assumption that I'm trying to one-shot him. I'm not. I'm trying to batter him, shave off his armor, then mangle him. Or mindrape him. It's a long process that involves constant attack.

No, no, no, and no. None of your attacks are going to work.

Originally posted by King Kandy

However... It turns out I CAN mind attack him, because I can bypass his sheild and defenses through the vaunted scanners he's using to track me.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2623/emma35qj.jpg

So his whole prep was based on a bad assumption. erm


no expression I want you to READ the scan.

A) She said it was a design flaw
B) Ironman tech>>>> Sentinel tech
C) IF people want to believe that she can get through my scanners, I have my standard watch (Pre-Extremis actually has its perks for me laughing out loud ) which staved off Mentallos mind attack and it has no scanners. He had psi scramblers that worked against Onslaught. Sorry, but your NOT gonna be mind raping me anytime soon.

Back on topic:

I want to know what your going to do against the whales (eh I decided to throw them in their for the fun of it), the fact that I can easily create a spot between the armor and your face and send the ADAMANTIUM missile straight for a headshot, or the spotcuffs. Absolute zero you dont seem to comprehend so I wont bother asking.

Or how about the fact that I can teleport to your position after dealing with your limited (as they are independent AND constructed during the match *just as a GL would do* meaning you can only have 2 per match or at a time. Either works for me) drones through spot manipulation or rapid fire bursts.

So again for those who like organization and structure:

My Defenses:
-Spots
-Armor can absorb energy
(with just those two, I have an incredible defense)
-Shaw's kinetic absorbtion

My Offense:
-Redirected Spot attacks
-Spot cuffs
-Sperm Whales
-Absolute Zero
-Pulse Bolts
-Repulser Rays
-Adamantium Missile to the head (a spot that formulates inside the armor between the armor and the face, and delivers a nice fatal surprise)
-Gravity cancelers

-----------------------------------------
For reference

His Defense:
Diamond hard skin (that coincidently can be shattered if hit in the head)
Pierceable war wear armor (been done by tony himself)
Aboms body (wouldnt the diamond form negate his use?) Plus he goes into suspended animation when there is no heat.
Running away

His offense
-Finite, destroyable Independent Drones

------------------------------------------

Conclusion
My strategy is more than adequate to take care of your attack.

I have counter measures to use against your team, versatility in spades, and defenses to spare. In they end, there can only be one winner, and logic would dictate that it is me.

Scans

Gets into a bank
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=specspiderman24605kb6.jpg

fights the grizzly dude
http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=specspiderman24619tf6.jpg

makes one appear before Black Cat can move, and makes one materialize
http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=createthemfromthinairez3.jpg

Materializes out of thin air
http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=specspiderman24513mg1.jpg

Absorbing a lightning bolt from Thor.
http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magiclightningabsorbedfy3.jpg
http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightningboostsw3.jpg

Rhodes stating that he would run out of drones (besides independent constructs are limited *especially since you have to organically "construct" them*
http://img489.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forceworks2009vx3.jpg

Martian_mind
Ah.......pwned?

Scoobless
Anyone else find that having the scans in a completely different part of the post to be annoying?

It means you have to scroll down to find whatever scan is being referred to, then scroll back up and having to find the sentence it fits with again.

Just personal preference but it may be better to post scans next to whatever they are being used to back up.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Blair Wind
So who are the judges for this round? And when do matches end?? confused
I thionk they end on sunday.



Originally posted by Blair Wind
Interesting to know this is the hottest debate so far. Dont be grouchy in front of the public eye now kandy..... On that subject however, your strategies are.....not gonna work.
Yeah, sorry about this. My schedule demanded that I made some of these posts pretty early, so I was tired for the majority of these.



Originally posted by Blair Wind
A) One scan of the many I presented vs TP no expression
B) I didnt know marvel adventures was non canon. My apologizes.
C) Its sad you've resorted to insults to try and sound impressive.
Again, sorry about the insults.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
confused Its not gonna bother my guy any How about yours?

But still, it doesn't work so well. Just to let you know, since you'll get fried. I mean... he wasn't able to absorb the entire lightning bolt.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Now, but if the attack is aimed at my body I wont need to. Its a 80% chance it hits a spot and gets absorbed, and the other 20% I just absorb the energy for my armor.
YOUR POWERS HAVE LIMITS! Repeat that with me. You cannot absorb infinite amounts of energy, there is a limit.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
But I can. I can teleport next to you, or teleport you yourself. Either way Im getting to you.
And when you step out of the portal, a drone knocks you over, and I get away from there.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Yet its in Abom's wiki that he will go into suspended animation without heat
Okay, let me get this straight; first you say Aboms body is cancelled by Emma's, then you bring up Abom's body in an argument. Make up your mind.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Furthermore I dont think you UNDERSTAND the CONCEPT of absolute zero. ALL molecular motion STOPS. Being made of diamond does not change that.
I understand that perfectly. But the motion will restart in a nanosecond, and there's no organic tissue that will be harmed by freezing then reheating.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Not by your team, and most definitely not with the combo of the armor and spots to synergisticlly work together. Any attack done on me with energy either gets absorbed....or absorbed. Either way works for me.
How's your energy absorber going to work if I just punch you in the face?



Originally posted by Blair Wind
And I can continue to let them hit me. Its all just gonna go into a spot. Plus if I so choose, I could lead them far away from you, then teleport quickly to your position. Besides, Rhodes has a limit to how many he can make. He said so while fighting in the Force Works HQ
We don't know what the limit is. It could be hundreds.

Also, having the spots destroyed in that scan doesn't seem to be harming him.



Originally posted by Blair Wind
You come up with the most brilliant ideas! big grin I could just let it go into the spotted realm. Whats it gonna do then but eventually go into another spot below it? eek!
Uh huh... Yup great idea. That's just great for those Sperm Whales you plan on sicking on me.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Your not understanding spots. Spots can be spot to spot travel, OR they can be spot to dimension to spot travel (evidence would be the million times a punch goes from one spot to the next, yet in the spotted dimension no two spots are that close.).

So you see, I could just fire a random shot through a spot, and redirect it where I want it.
You do have a limited number of Spots, you know. You insist they'll cover 80% of your body, yet your putting hundreds all across the field.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Almost 80% of my body is for lack of a better word insubstantial. What are you going to be blasting? confused I have the speed advantage in my teleporting. I could lead them away, draw them into the spotted realm, and close the "door". You have a finite number of drones you can make AND you can only have 2 independent constructs on the field.
I'll command them to self destruct if that happens, and make a replacement.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
no expression I want you to READ the scan.

A) She said it was a design flaw
B) Ironman tech>>>> Sentinel tech
C) IF people want to believe that she can get through my scanners, I have my standard watch (Pre-Extremis actually has its perks for me laughing out loud ) which staved off Mentallos mind attack and it has no scanners. He had psi scramblers that worked against Onslaught. Sorry, but your NOT gonna be mind raping me anytime soon.
It's nothing really about the tech. Scanners send signals out, she rides them back in.

Mentallo actualy did get past Ironmans shields. Great argument.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
I want to know what your going to do against the whales (eh I decided to throw them in their for the fun of it), the fact that I can easily create a spot between the armor and your face and send the ADAMANTIUM missile straight for a headshot, or the spotcuffs. Absolute zero you dont seem to comprehend so I wont bother asking.
Well guess what, we don't know emma's head is her weakness.

http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenv2141p12lm3.jpg
http://img476.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenv2141p17dm7.jpg
http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenv2141p18of9.jpg

She got fixed, no flaw anymore. and you don't know it's on her forehead.

Abserve, Danger may have SAID he could shatter her, but later on... He doesn't. If he could kill her so easily, why does he blackmail her instead?

http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledscanned22bh8pj9.jpg

http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledscanned23ib6rp1.jpg


So... I have Working TP. No flaw.

I have an Emma that stays alive when she's shattered, and double layered healing factors (So you'll have a healuva time keeping me down.)

He, on the other hand, does NOT have Spots on 80% of his body, since he put so many of him on the battlefield. I can beat him to a pulp.

Ninja Curtis FTW.

illadelph12
Sperm whales???

leonidas
confused

Blair Wind
This post goes out to scoobs in the fact that scans will just be there where needed big grin

Originally posted by King Kandy

YOUR POWERS HAVE LIMITS! Repeat that with me. You cannot absorb infinite amounts of energy, there is a limit.

Not the spots on my body....they just keep on sucking. Like the energizer bunny they just keep on going and going smile


Originally posted by King Kandy

I understand that perfectly. But the motion will restart in a nanosecond, and there's no organic tissue that will be harmed by freezing then reheating.

In a nanosecond? no expression


Originally posted by King Kandy

How's your energy absorber going to work if I just punch you in the face?

It wont have to, since your always running away. If it came to that, the spots on my face would do the trick just fine:
http://img454.imageshack.us/my.php?image=specspiderman24606rj2.jpg

Originally posted by King Kandy

We don't know what the limit is. It could be hundreds.


WE dont NEED to. YOU only get two.


Originally posted by King Kandy

Uh huh... Yup great idea. That's just great for those Sperm Whales you plan on sicking on me.


actually its pretty great, since the spots can just send the water back into the ocean. smile

Though my sperm whales will be having fun with you in their stomach (yes, Delph and Leo, I posted that....somewhere laughing out loud ) Here it is again:
http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animalhelp1atx7.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animalhelp2fc9.jpg


Originally posted by King Kandy

You do have a limited number of Spots, you know. You insist they'll cover 80% of your body, yet your putting hundreds all across the field.

A) I never said hundreds
B) I am creating them, thus leaving the spots on my body left intact.

Originally posted by King Kandy

It's nothing really about the tech. Scanners send signals out, she rides them back in.

Mentallo actualy did get past Ironmans shields. Great argument.


Its a watch no expression

and What the f**k? Are you freaking kidding me? Mentallo was amped to such a level that he had taken over every single person on earth EXCEPT TONY. Emma is NOWWHERE near him in TP. To refresh people's memory:
http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mentalloblock1oa9.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mentalloblock2je7.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mentalloblock3iy8.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mentalloblock4um4.jpg

Plus against Onslaught:
http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psiblocker9sn0.jpg


Originally posted by King Kandy
So... I have Working TP. No flaw.

Wait what? Diamond form Emma cannot use TP.

And the flaw? Its a damn adamantium missile, I dont need for there to be a flaw.

Originally posted by King Kandy

I have an Emma that stays alive when she's shattered, and double layered healing factors (So you'll have a healuva time keeping me down.)

Alive, yes. Able to do much of anything? No. Healing factor that takes loads of time? Yes. Time he will not have? Of course.

Originally posted by King Kandy

He, on the other hand, does NOT have Spots on 80% of his body, since he put so many of him on the battlefield. I can beat him to a pulp.

Ninja Curtis FTW.

As explained, I will be creating the spots.

For a short summary (for the judges reading pleasure) I will again post the summary of what is going on.


My Defenses:
-Spots
-Armor can absorb energy
(with just those two, I have an incredible defense)
-Shaw's kinetic absorption

My Offense:
-Redirected Spot attacks
-Spot cuffs
-Sperm Whales
-Absolute Zero
-Pulse Bolts
-Repulser Rays
-Adamantium Missile to the head (a spot that formulates inside the armor between the armor and the face, and delivers a nice fatal surprise)
-Gravity cancelers

-----------------------------------------
For reference

His Defense:
Diamond hard skin (that coincidently can be shattered if hit by adamantium!)
Pierceable war wear armor (been done by tony himself)
Aboms body: he goes into suspended animation when there is no heat.
Running away

His offense
-Finite, destroyable Independent Drones


--------------------------------------

Conclusion
Only one conclusion can come from this battle. The Hellfire King winning. 'Nuff said.

.....but just because I feel like saying more, he has offered nothing in terms of a feasible way to beat me. He is counting so much on his drones, and nothing more past that. The fact that he only gets TWO drones (independent construct rule) hinders him even more. My offense trumps his, and my defense trumps his. I can take the punishment he can give out, and I can spot a adamantium missile into his face. Lights out, and he gets sent to space.

Really, what can he do to me? Drones have proven to be ineffective, and he has provided nothing past that. I have proven both my defense and my offense. If there is any offensive measure that does not work, I have other attacks that I can use. My guy is adaptable and vastly more versatile. I do not understand how he can compete. Hellfire kind FTMFW.

Circle?
Is it just me or are we going around in circles? Plus our posts keep getting shorter and shorter....here's an example

KK: I attack you.
BW: No you cant because of spots.
KK: Nuh uh, I can because I have drones.
BW: No, I have the mother friggin spots.
KK: Well I have drones no expression

BW: I can attack you in a million ways and have shown and have proven them
KK: no, because my drones will kill you.
BW: I have sperm whales no expression

If you want to stop, and let the judges vote, Ill be fine with that, or keep on going. Either way works for me

illadelph12
Sperm whales??? What the f**k?

King Kandy
Dude, what are you thinking? Sperm Whales? Those pose the threat of piece of lint to me.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Not the spots on my body....they just keep on sucking. Like the energizer bunny they just keep on going and going smile
I know. I wasn't talking about the Spots you have on abou 10% of your body.



Originally posted by Blair Wind
In a nanosecond? no expression
Under a nanosecond, actualy. If I was just Abom, this might poise a threat, but it won't. Since my whole body is inorganic diamond, the instant the heat goes back up, so do I.



Originally posted by Blair Wind
It wont have to, since your always running away. If it came to that, the spots on my face would do the trick just fine:
http://img454.imageshack.us/my.php?image=specspiderman24606rj2.jpg
I know that. The punch thing was just to make a point. However, I can cut you, since I'm pretty damn fast and you have very few spots left on your body.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
WE dont NEED to. YOU only get two.
I KNOW! I was refering to how many times I can make new ones! As in, if one is destroyed!


Originally posted by Blair Wind
actually its pretty great, since the spots can just send the water back into the ocean. smile
You know sucking all the water out of the ocean and dumping it back in is attacking me during prep, right? Not allowed.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Though my sperm whales will be having fun with you in their stomach (yes, Delph and Leo, I posted that....somewhere laughing out loud ) Here it is again:
http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animalhelp1atx7.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animalhelp2fc9.jpg
Do you think those have ANY chance of harming me? Pathetic. If they try and bite me, they'll break their teeth. Even if they swallow me (which I won't let them do) then I'll just blast my way out.





Originally posted by Blair Wind
A) I never said hundreds
B) I am creating them, thus leaving the spots on my body left intact.
You do not have a limitless number of spots, and with all the ones you're discarding all over the place, you might as well have a hundred.

The Spot does not have limitless portals, you have not one scrap of evidence to support that. I, on the other hand, can show that he can and has run out.

Nice try.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Its a watch no expression
Never said it wasn't.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
and What the f**k? Are you freaking kidding me? Mentallo was amped to such a level that he had taken over every single person on earth EXCEPT TONY. Emma is NOWWHERE near him in TP. To refresh people's memory:
http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mentalloblock1oa9.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mentalloblock2je7.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mentalloblock3iy8.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mentalloblock4um4.jpg

Plus against Onslaught:
http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psiblocker9sn0.jpg
Spare me. Mentallo's holding the whole world captive, he won't be diverting 100% of his force on Iron-Man. Besides, he's attacking him up front... I'll be going through your scanners. World of diffirence.



Originally posted by Blair Wind
Wait what? Diamond form Emma cannot use TP.
I most likely won't use TP for this fight. Just saying I could if I want to.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
And the flaw? Its a damn adamantium missile, I dont need for there to be a flaw.
And yet you go ON AND ON about how you'll hit the percieved "Flaw".


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Alive, yes. Able to do much of anything? No. Healing factor that takes loads of time? Yes. Time he will not have? Of course.
I you only blow through a bit of my mask, then it's 100% fine, especially since my drones are fighting you, not myself.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
As explained, I will be creating the spots.
You'll still run out. I ask for evidence to the contrary.



BW cannot catch me, do any real damage, or anything. He can destroy some drones, but it won't hurt me. And his absorber has limits.

He has next to no Spots because of how many he's been putting on the battlefield.

Even if I couldn't overpower his absorbers, My drones could grow blades and diassemble it. Then destroy that watch of his, and I'll mess his mind up so much he won't be able to do anything. Or I could just Maul him.

It's been A damn good fight, bu I'm the winner here, completely and totaly.

DigiMark007
I won't comment on the match other than to say good job guys, but I like the more traditional posting style Blair. That numbered crap was...I dunno...unecessary and occasionally confusing, even though it might've looked spiffy.

King Kandy
7th Post: Ironman's TP vulnerabilities.

Okay, so Emma can pass through his shields with her scanner-bypass trick, but what if his shields are assaulted themselves? As I will now show, they aren't all Blair cracked them up to be.

Psylocke messes with Ironmans mind; His shields do nothing:

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2549/coc1p14yf5.th.jpghttp://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3513/coc1p15yz3.th.jpghttp://img370.imageshack.us/img370/8233/coc1p16ok8.th.jpghttp://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3232/coc1p17ou0.th.jpghttp://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3679/coc1p18pq6.th.jpg


Psylocke mindrapes him again:

http://x402.putfile.com/4/10411093170.jpg

Ironman gets mindattacked by some dude:

http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironman07423lb3.jpg

Ironman doesn't do so great against Modok, either:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1125/file0021aa6.jpg



So, what does this mean? It means Blair took one high-end showing of his psy-shields and said that's the average. Well, it's not. His shields aren't all that hot. Emma can probably bust them even without her scanner trick. So I can mindrape you anytime I want.

Again, Blair is conclusivly losing this match.

Scoobless
Originally posted by illadelph12
Sperm whales???
Originally posted by illadelph12
Sperm whales??? What the f**k?
Originally posted by illadelph12
Sperm whales??? What the f**k?

Uh ... yeah ... no expression

Blair Wind
Really Digi? I just find it easier to read through, then you can just click the links after you've read everything.


Anyways who are the judges?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Dude, what are you thinking? Sperm Whales? Those pose the threat of piece of lint to me.
Dont need it to. Distractions will do just fine


Originally posted by King Kandy

Under a nanosecond, actualy. If I was just Abom, this might poise a threat, but it won't. Since my whole body is inorganic diamond, the instant the heat goes back up, so do I.

It takes a little bit for the heat to go up man. Heat doesnt transfer at faster than light speeds no expression

Originally posted by King Kandy

I know that. The punch thing was just to make a point. However, I can cut you, since I'm pretty damn fast and you have very few spots left on your body.


I am
a) creating the damn spots
b) leaving the ones on my body intact.
c) If people want to consider how many I have out, its about 7 total. no expression (two to shoot from, and 5 to use strategically)

Originally posted by King Kandy

I KNOW! I was refering to how many times I can make new ones! As in, if one is destroyed!

Interesting, I think you can only have two independent constructs per match. Can someone clarify?


Originally posted by King Kandy

You do not have a limitless number of spots, and with all the ones you're discarding all over the place, you might as well have a hundred.

Learn to count no expression


Originally posted by King Kandy

Spare me. Mentallo's holding the whole world captive, he won't be diverting 100% of his force on Iron-Man. Besides, he's attacking him up front... I'll be going through your scanners. World of diffirence.

A) Mentallo was amped so far up, nothing was bothering him about it.
B) Emma frost is NOWHERE near that powerful
C) and while your character has telepathy, he does not have the skill to use it in that manner. I mean you know how to use telepathy, but the skill, or finesse, to accomplish that feat, Jim Rhodes does not posses.


Originally posted by King Kandy

And yet you go ON AND ON about how you'll hit the percieved "Flaw".

No its more about the ADAMANTIUM missile that will be piercing your head.

Originally posted by King Kandy
7th Post: Ironman's TP vulnerabilities.

Okay, so Emma can pass through his shields with her scanner-bypass trick, but what if his shields are assaulted themselves? As I will now show, they aren't all Blair cracked them up to be.

Psylocke messes with Ironmans mind; His shields do nothing:


CC (the writer) did not know he had psi shields. He later apologizes for this.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Ironman gets mindattacked by some dude:

http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironman07423lb3.jpg


You do know that Ironman upgrades all his suits right? A old ass model accounts....for nothing.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Ironman doesn't do so great against Modok, either:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1125/file0021aa6.jpg


A physical psi blast? confused


Originally posted by King Kandy

So, what does this mean? It means Blair took one high-end showing of his psy-shields and said that's the average. Well, it's not. His shields aren't all that hot. Emma can probably bust them even without her scanner trick. So I can mindrape you anytime I want.


Ummm....no. Just because one writer didnt realize he HAD shields does not mean he doesnt. What you took is one low showing (with a writer oblivious to that fact that Ironman HAS psi shields) and assumed it was correct. Ironman's own series would contradict this.

Also, you have Emma's powers, not her overall skill. Jim could NEVER do that trick, and I have my watch to help anyways.

Now then back to the subject at hand.

I have you beat in terms of defense, and I feel like spicing up my offense. How you ask? With a big boom evil face You ever heard of Electrolysis? It separates the bonds of the water compound, thus creating a large pocket of hydrogen. Why does this matter?

Mini H-Bomb FTMFW
I can put up a big forcefield trapping myself and the water inside*
I can then run an electrical current through my armor to produce the electrolysis (I only need like 6 volts)
This will fill my forcefield with oxygen and hydrogen in gas form.
I can then teleport myself (a spot to teleport me and the forcefield) right next to kandy, then let go of the forcefield. With a spot, I teleport myself far far far far far far far away, and let loose with a repulser ray right before closing the spot, thus igniting the hydrogen. Mini H-Bomb FTMFW!!

*this is how big one of my forcefields can be:
http://img479.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shield1uj6.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shield2tt9.jpg
http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shield3ar7.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shield4ad8.jpg

So as you can see, I have you beat in every single facet. My firepower beats yours, my versatility is better than yours, and my defense trumps yours.

A final recap of stats

My Defenses:
-Spots
-Armor can absorb energy
(with just those two, I have an incredible defense)
-Shaw's kinetic absorption

My Offense:
-Redirected Spot attacks
-Spot cuffs
-Sperm Whales
-Absolute Zero
-Pulse Bolts
-Repulser Rays
-Adamantium Missile to the head (a spot that formulates inside the armor between the armor and the face, and delivers a nice fatal surprise)
-Gravity cancelers
-A freaking H-Bomb evil face

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For reference

His Defense:
Diamond hard skin (that coincidently can be shattered if hit by adamantium!)
Pierceable war wear armor (been done by tony himself)
Aboms body: he goes into suspended animation when there is no heat.
Running away

His offense
-Two, destroyable Independent Drones


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Conclusion?:

Judges please consider, that past the TWO drones he can create, he has offered no solid offense. He has given no defense past his durability, and my adamantium/absolute zero/H-bomb/Gravity cancelers by-pass them easily.

My defense is top of the line in all regards, my versatility and usage of the battlefield far surpasses his, and my offense is uniquely suited to kick his characters fictional ass. Vote logically, vote correctly, vote The Hellfire King as the only King in the land, and the true winner of this match.

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I have this battle in the bag dude. Nothing you say can change that, and nothing you will say will bring anything new to the table. Just let it go. You fought a good fight, no shame in giving up now erm

Blair Wind
VOTE THE HELLFIRE KING AS THE WINNER!!!!
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2999/thehellfirekingxy1.png

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/6483/blairwindsh5jg7.jpg

King Kandy
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illadelph12
Judge's Vote

First off let me say great match to both of you. You really impressed me with some of your arguments Kandy.

As for my decision on this fight, I'd like to cover a few key points so it is clear why I voted the way I did:

1) As far as The War-Wear's Drones were concerned, when I took them into consideration within the rules I did not consider them to be under the 2 independent constructs rule. I consider them to be essentially smart missiles/probes in the same vein as Mr. Terriffic's T-Spheres, meaning Kandy would have been able to use as many of them as he'd wanted (in my opinion). This point was never clarified among the judge's as a collective but I feel it's a logical summation.

2) I was under the understanding from the initial selection rules that the amalgams gained the powers from the character but not the full span of their experience. You would have full access to the character's powers, but feats that take a high degree of skill and precision gained through experience (like piggy backing your telepathy along laser scanner beams) would be up to the mind character. If your mind character was an experience TP with Emma's powers feats like that would be very feasible, but with Jim Rhodes as the mind I'm not so sure he'd have the skill necessary.

3) It's never been clearly depicted whether Emma's telepathy is dormant or not when she's in diamond form. I was under the impression while she was in diamond form her telepathy is inoperable.

4) From my knowledge of the Spot anything that passes through his portals will re-emerge at another position he desires and he doesn't always have to "throw" the spots, they have on panel simply materialized.

5) The morphing abilities of the War Wear were never fully fleshed out. I'm assuming by the argument presented you're only going to form bladed weapons on your arms because you presented no arguments or evidence for any other weapon type save drones.

6) While in diamond form Emma feels no pain, so by extension neither would Kandy's amalgam. Destroying the probes would likely have little effect on him physically or mentally given the durabilty his amalgam has.

7) Ironman does have psionic defenses and Claremont did state that he'd overlooked that fact when writing the plot to that storyline. Tony Stark also overcame Psylocke's telepathic illusions in a manner of panels and defeated her in the scans you yourself provided Kandy.

8) I'm unaware of extreme cold having adverse effects on diamonds. Diamonds are essentially pure carbon. If Abom's body is pure carbon I don't think he'll be rendered inert by the cold.

9) Moving at mach speeds underwater is highly unlikely, particularly with a mass as bulky as Abomination in an exo-suit. Maneuverability would be an issue also. You never really accounted for Abom's size or presented evidence of the War Wear's full adaptibility.

10) Sperm whales??? What the f**k?


So, with these points covered, let me get to my decision:

Kandy intended to use his drones to fight in close quarters while he himself kept his distance. Problem being he's battling a teleporter who can just bring the fight to him. Kandy did not present an argument of what he would do in such close quarters engagements other than the bladed arm and possibly more drones (not elaborating on the offensive capabilities of the armor itself, to his detriment). On the other hand, B-Dub spelled out very clearly what he intended to do and provided evidence to support his claims.

I do believe the spots on B-Dubs armor (as shown on panel) would redirect incoming attacks if the attacks entered the portals, and Kandy never elaborated on the ability of the War Wear to attack with precision or programming the probes to do the same and only fire on the points on B-Dubs body not covered in spots (if you don't present an argument I can't consider it, even if it's a possibility, and there was a lot of holes you could have exploited that you didn't Kandy). He essentially stated he would just bombard B-Dub via the drones:



B-Dub also submitted a means of restraining you (the "Spotcuffs"wink and attacks to take you out (adamantium missile to the dome, hydrogen explosives, spotting a shot past your armor).

This was a very close and very good match, but I'd have to vote, begrudgingly, for B-Dub, he simply covered more of his bases and actually elaborated what he intended to do. Kandy, you easily could have won this match but you spent more time quoting and retorting than actually fleshing out an effective battle plan to bypass B-Dub's defenses in my eyes. I will say, however, that at this point if we were to vote for a loser to move on to the next round you would definitely have my vote (though we do have 2 more matches).

My vote: Blair Wind thumb up

(Dammit)

Symmetric Chaos
Judge's Vote

This was a very hard fought match and a great match up. I could see either of you taking the win for this Tourney.

I am under the impression that drones still count as independent constructs and as such KK is limited to having a maximum of two at any one time but may create them as he wishes. Although I cannot say how a different reading of the construct rules would have effected my ruling, this descision is based on that assumption.

I felt that although Kandy succeded in countering the main thrust of Blair's initial attack with a very clever move his lack of offense was a severe limitation.

Evidence was provided that demonstrated to me that Spot was able to create his portals at will and as such Blair was well protected from attacks, especially as the size was show to change at will when they are on his body.

Although I give credit to Kandy for a very hard fought battle the fact that he was on the defensive almost entirely and never made sufficent elaboration on his attack detracts from his overall performamce.

As such I must cast my vote for Blair Wind.

You go girl 313

illadelph12
Originally posted by Scoobless
Uh ... yeah ... no expression

I only made 2 "Sperm whales???" posts Scoob.

Scoobless
Originally posted by illadelph12
I only made 2 "Sperm whales???" posts Scoob.

3 actually ... if you click them they will link to 3 separate posts (one was in a different thread)

stick out tongue

illadelph12
laughing

The 3rd was a mis-post.

DarkCrawler
I'm not even sure if I am a judge for this match or not?

...am I? huh

King Kandy
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I'm not even sure if I am a judge for this match or not?

...am I? huh
I think so...

illadelph12
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I'm not even sure if I am a judge for this match or not?

...am I? huh

Did DG send you a PM? That's how I was told I was judging this match.

King Kandy
Okay, I have to post this.... I asked Darth, and he says that my Amalgam is assumed to have equal prowess in TP as Emma herself has.

DarkCrawler
Originally posted by illadelph12
Did DG send you a PM? That's how I was told I was judging this match.

He didn't. So I guess I'm not.

Galan007
Judge's Vote:


Well guys I have to tell you that this match was really hard for me to judge. I'm not going to write an essay on why I picked who I picked, but here ya go...



The initial posts from the both of you were very well played, but as the posts continued, it seemed as though KK's defense was the key to his strategy... But KK didn't seem to elaborate on the "big picture" as far as what his counters were as much as he could have.

However, from an offensive stand-point, his team left something to be desired.



Blair's overall strategy on the other hand, seemed much better rounded both offensively and defensively. He showed me that his pick was able to shield him from most attacks, and from this point on, he was able to keep KK on the defensive almost the entire match..




For this reason,

I choose Blair




The both of you did an excellent job. thumb up

Blair Wind
So...I won? Or are there more judges?

batdude123
(I know it doesn't really matter now, but I'll cast my vote anyway).

Judge's Vote

Both contestants did a good job here and have nothing to hang their heads about. Congratulations to both King Kandy and Blair Wind on a great match.

Blair had an interesting prep strategy that worked rather well for this fight. Kandy couldn't really seem to find a solid way to penetrate BW's defenses and "spots." His offense was also fantastically coordinated. I feel that Kandy relied too heavily on the drones he was making. First of all, if any of those drones were destroyed, it had adverse effects on Rhodes. Second of all, any energy that could've bypassed the spots in front of the Hellfire King was going to be absorbed either by the armor, or Shaw's body. Nothing Kandy conjured up really seemed to be able to work against Blair's character, in my view.

Not to mention, Blair kept Kandy on the defensive for the majority of the debate. I feel BW was more aggressive and better prepared for the fight. Plus, the adaptability in his plan seemed to help also.

I might as well comment about it, just so I don't feel like an outsider... sperm whales, BW? confused

Anyway, King Kandy did a good job, but in the end, I feel that Blair Wind won this debate.

Blair Wind
cool So thats all the judges yea? Awesome big grin

King Kandy
sad

No one voted for me.

Oh well.

SpunkySmurph
Originally posted by King Kandy
sad

No one voted for me.

Oh well. Meh. You'll probably do good in the Losers Bracket.

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