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Who wins?

Kingpin- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingpin_%28comics%29

Bullseye- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullseye_%28comics%29

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Foreigner- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreigner_%28comics%29

Originally posted by golem370
Who wins?

Kingpin- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingpin_%28comics%29

Bullseye- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullseye_%28comics%29

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Foreigner- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreigner_%28comics%29

Team

You know that BT is very strong and a skilled fighter right?

Team, every time.

Kingpin takes down Foreigner (pathetically out of his league)

Bullseye destroys Black Tarantula (even worse than he did in DD not too long ago).

Since BT beat Spider-Man pretty bad I am saying he wins 8/10 times.

Originally posted by golem370
Since BT beat Spider-Man pretty bad I am saying he wins 8/10 times.

No

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Acolyte_01/bullsowned.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Acolyte_01/bullsowned1.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Acolyte_01/bullsowned3.jpg

Bullseye's taken him out solo before.

I doubt he'll lose especially when he has help (that he doesn't even need).

Originally posted by golem370
You know that BT is very strong and a skilled fighter right?

I do

This Black Tarantula- http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/black_tarantula.html thats got to be a joke.

Originally posted by golem370
You know that BT is very strong and a skilled fighter right?

I still give the team the majority

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/black_tarantula/bt4.jpg

Er I dunno man I heard BT is a beast. Bullseye doing him like that seems like PIS.

Originally posted by Alfheim
http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/black_tarantula/bt4.jpg

Er I dunno man I heard BT is a beast. Bullseye doing him like that seems like PIS.

Oh my stars and garters, Brubaker.. PIS? , I don't think so.

And I think we're a little confused, Black Tarantula = Nowhere near beastly in comparison with Bullseye. The guy's a living weapon, give him the right gear and he'd **** pretty much anybody up. I guess Black Tarantula doesn't have the durability to contest, I know he has regen though, so he probably isn't dead.

He gave Spider-Man all he could handle. As of a matter of fact Spider-Man stood toe to toe with him but Spider-Man was only out on his feet and when BT walked away Spider-Man collapsed.

Originally posted by golem370
He gave Spider-Man all he could handle. As of a matter of fact Spider-Man stood toe to toe with him but Spider-Man was only out on his feet and when BT walked away Spider-Man collapsed.

That's great.

Bullseye ****ed him up, with cards.

I don't see where the problem lies? Three against one, one of those people killed him (looks like it) by himself, with two other people it's a stomp.

10/10, team.

I am saying that it's hard to believe somebody durable enough to stand toe to toe and have the better showing against Spider-Man who lifts atleast ten tons would fall to a few cards.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
That's great.

Bullseye ****ed him up, with cards.

I don't see where the problem lies?



BT has withstood bullets without a scratch.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash


BT has withstood bullets without a scratch.



He got killed by cards.

Whether you like it or not, he gets owned by the team, there are scans to support that Bullseye has and could do it by himself.

Originally posted by CasanoVa


He got killed by cards.



That's when PIS comes in.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash


That's when PIS comes in.

Not really.

Bullseye thrown cards>>Bullets.

Because not only does he know where to throw the cards (compared to bumbling idiots that pull the trigger and hope) he somehow manages to have the strength to **** people up with the littlest of things (ie knocking people out with paper planes and killing people with cards).

There also scans of Spider-Man beating the snot out of Firelord does that make it right?

Originally posted by golem370
There also scans of Spider-Man beating the snot out of Firelord does that make it right?

I'll repeat myself:

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it didn't happen

Deal with it.

And yeah, because Bullseye beating Tarantula is anywhere near SvFl, it's really nowhere near that huge of a gap.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Not really.

Bullseye thrown cards>>Bullets.



Is there any proof that Bullseyes cards do more damage than bullets? Sure he can kill people with cards but is there any evidence that they are more powerful than bullets.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
I'll repeat myself:

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it didn't happen

Deal with it.

And yeah, because Bullseye beating Tarantula is anywhere near SvFl, it's really nowhere near that huge of a gap.

Ok what about DD knocking out Wolverine with one blow or Wolverine beating Shang Chi in 3 panels?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Is there any proof that Bullseyes cards do more damage than bullets? Sure he can kill people with cards but is there any evidence that they are more powerful than bullets.



Ok what about DD knocking out Wolverine with one blow or Wolverine beating Shang Chi in 3 panels?

There isn't really any hard-core proof, but you would have to presume as such; you can use the BT incident as proof if you want, normal bullets couldn't even scratch Black Tarantula, but Bullseye easily manage to break the skin and presumably kill him with a playing card.

, alot of his feats come basically from his strength, which must be insane for him to pull off alot of these things.

And yeah what about them? DD knocked out Wolverine with a single blow.. Which IMO he should be able to do because of his knowledge of pressure points and radar sense. I'm not saying who could win in a fight or anything like that, but I definetly think Matt would be capable of doing such a thing.

And the Shang Chi thing? Yeah well.. I don't know, Wolverine decided to suddenly start using his martial arts for once, which he rarely usually does. He got the drop on him, probably because Shang didn't expect him to be such a good MA really, but it's not like Chi didn't get first blood anyways.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Not really.

Bullseye thrown cards>>Bullets.

Because not only does he know where to throw the cards (compared to bumbling idiots that pull the trigger and hope) he somehow manages to have the strength to **** people up with the littlest of things (ie knocking people out with paper planes and killing people with cards).

And that still doesn't explain how a card can pierce Black Tarantula's skin when bullets can't...

If you have actually read any Spider-Man comics with Black Tarantula, then you should know he has taken on worser things than a frickin' card in the chest...

Not to mention that guy didn't even look or act like the actual Black Tarantula.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/Btt.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/250px-Black_Tarantula.jpg

....

Wow. The dialogue of a thug...

And, tattoos?

When?
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/blacktartuna.jpg

Oh, and how could a prison hold him again?

Seems to me that the writer had no clue who Black Tarantula actually was...

Originally posted by CasanoVa
There isn't really any hard-core proof, but you would have to


Well there you go then.

Originally posted by CasanoVa

presume as such; you can use the BT incident as proof if you want, normal bullets couldn't even scratch Black Tarantula, but Bullseye easily manage to break the skin and presumably kill him with a playing card.

Well I dunno. I think his cards can do as much damage as a bullet but pierce the skin of somebody who resist bullets easily, that sounds like PIS because there are no other feats to indicate that Bullseye can do this.

One of the rules in SvfL states is that part of what make a persons powers acceptable is consistency and Bullseye has not consistently shown to thorw projectiles more powerful than bullets...has he?


Originally posted by CasanoVa

And yeah what about them? DD knocked out Wolverine with a single blow.. Which IMO he should be able to do because of his knowledge of pressure points and radar sense. I'm not saying who could win in a fight or anything like that, but I definetly think Matt would be capable of doing such a thing.

Well ok Wolverines has had a samurai sword stuck through his neck and has carried on tallking and has taken really powerful shots to the head....you dont think DD taking him out that easily is a little PIS.

Originally posted by CasanoVa

And the Shang Chi thing? Yeah well.. I don't know,

Yeah thats right.

Originally posted by CasanoVa

Wolverine decided to suddenly start using his martial arts for once, which he rarely usually does.

Dont see what that has to do with anything.

Originally posted by CasanoVa

He got the drop on him, probably because Shang didn't expect him to be such a good MA really,

Why would he get the drop on him. Shang sees this strnge looking guy who has never seen before do you think Shang will be on edge or be complacent.

Originally posted by CasanoVa

but it's not like Chi didn't get first blood anyways.

Yeah great he punched him once then got bitten in the following 2 panels.....crap.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash


Seems to me that the writer had no clue who Black Tarantula actually was...

Actually thats a good point he should be in the Vault.

Whoa, ix-nay on the whole Shang Chi and Daredevil thing, it's way off-topic, really.

But yeah, you say that Bullseye has never been shown to consistenly thow things harder than a gun fires a bullet?

Ok, first off.. I have to ask, if he couldn't, why does he not just use guns instead? (just a random question to be honest, because I've rarely seen him use guns) Why doesn't he use them? Anyone?

And I'm no scientist, but (I might be wrong) would you not have to exert far more force to spit your tooth through somebodies head and kill them? Because it weighs less?

http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullseyegreatesthitspg07maiker.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullseyegreatesthitspg08maiker.jpg

Like I said, I'm no scientist, but I think it'd take alot more force to be able to spit a tooth through somebodies head than that which is exerted when a bullet is fired at somebody.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Whoa, ix-nay on the whole Shang Chi and Daredevil thing, it's way off-topic, really.

But yeah, you say that Bullseye has never been shown to consistenly thow things harder than a gun fires a bullet?

Ok, first off.. I have to ask, if he couldn't, why does he not just use guns instead? (just a random question to be honest, because I've rarely seen him use guns) Why doesn't he use them? Anyone?

And I'm no scientist, but (I might be wrong) would you not have to exert far more force to spit your tooth through somebodies head and kill them? Because it weighs less?

http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullseyegreatesthitspg07maiker.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullseyegreatesthitspg08maiker.jpg

Like I said, I'm no scientist, but I think it'd take alot more force to be able to spit a tooth through somebodies head than that which is exerted when a bullet is fired at somebody.

Killing a normal person but BT is not normal he is not even peak human he is Superhuman. If you told me he killed Captain America or Batman with his cards then I could understand but BT is way above them as far as strength speed and durability.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af5k5XvRKnA

Originally posted by golem370
Killing a normal person but BT is not normal he is not even peak human he is Superhuman. If you told me he killed Captain America or Batman with his cards then I could understand but BT is way above them as far as strength speed and durability.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af5k5XvRKnA

I never said he could kill BT with his teeth, I was just wondering whether Bullseye exerted more force than a gun did, which could then explain why he was capable of piercing BT's skin. I would think he would be able to exert more force from his arm, but the masseter in the jaw's the most powerful muscle in the body though. So I don't know .

He was also a major league baseball pitcher, so I reckon he could throw things very, very quick and hard.

I believe Bullseye has a technique/strength skill like somebody who can chop cinder blocks with their hands

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Whoa, ix-nay on the whole Shang Chi and Daredevil thing, it's way off-topic, really.

No its not. The point is just because it happens on a comic it deosnt mean it should. Sometimes it crappy writing.

Originally posted by CasanoVa

But yeah, you say that Bullseye has never been shown to consistenly thow things harder than a gun fires a bullet?

Ok, first off.. I have to ask, if he couldn't, why does he not just use guns instead? (just a random question to be honest, because I've rarely seen him use guns) Why doesn't he use them? Anyone?

I think Bullseye can throw things as fast as bullets but not faster, as I said earlier.

Originally posted by CasanoVa

And I'm no scientist, but (I might be wrong) would you not have to exert far more force to spit your tooth through somebodies head and kill them? Because it weighs less?

http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullseyegreatesthitspg07maiker.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bullseyegreatesthitspg08maiker.jpg

Like I said, I'm no scientist, but I think it'd take alot more force to be able to spit a tooth through somebodies head than that which is exerted when a bullet is fired at somebody.

To tell you the truth some of his feats arent even scientifically possible. Therefore you should not be able to KO a person with a paper aeroplane, even if it moved really fast the substance is too soft to do any damage.

At the end of the day there is no proof to say that his projectiles do more damage than bullets.

Originally posted by golem370
I believe Bullseye has a technique/strength skill like somebody who can chop cinder blocks with their hands

That does not scientifically explain it.


Originally posted by CasanoVa
I never said he could kill BT with his teeth, I was just wondering whether Bullseye exerted more force than a gun did, which could then explain why he was capable of piercing BT's skin. I would think he would be able to exert more force from his arm, but the masseter in the jaw's the most powerful muscle in the body though. So I don't know .

He was also a major league baseball pitcher, so I reckon he could throw things very, very quick and hard.

Even if he can some of the substance his uses are too soft to do any damage.

What a silly argument, seriously.

You talk about science, when the media we're talking about consistently spits in the face of science; there are people flying around and shooting energy out of their eyes and stuff like that and you seek scientific proof? You aren't going to get any .

You won't get scientific proof for anything, it's called "suspension of disbelief" you have to overlook the fact it isn't possible for the sake of the story.

You know, like when people talk in space in movies.

You could easily KO somebody with paper, if you threw it at the necessary speed (it would have to be pretty damned fast though).

Originally posted by CasanoVa
What a silly argument, seriously.

You talk about science, when the media we're talking about consistently spits in the face of science; there are people flying around and shooting energy out of their eyes and stuff like that and you seek scientific proof? You aren't going to get any .

You won't get scientific proof for anything, it's called "suspension of disbelief" you have to overlook the fact it isn't possible for the sake of the story.

You know, like when people talk in space in movies.

Yeah I know but since you were using some science I elaborated. You were refering to using a tooth as a projectile, my point was even if some objects travel really fast they still wont kill you because they are not strong enough.

Originally posted by CasanoVa

You could easily KO somebody with paper, if you threw it at the necessary speed (it would have to be pretty damned fast though).

Well I said a paper aeroplane. Lets put it this way if you threw a paper aeroplane really fast it would fall apart, especillay the design that Bullseyes used.

If you fire a copper coin out of a gun it cant kill you, I dont think paper is going to KO you.