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Adam West
Michael Keaton
Val Kilmer
George Clooney
Christian Bale

Definately Adam West.

I haven't got the comics or whatever to compare how close they got to Batman, so can only say who I liked best as Batman, and it will always be Michael Keaton.

There's been countless threads of this question in the Batman forum.

Bale played the best Bruce Wayne and Batman IMO.

So Adam West.

Bale's my favourite. West was good, too, but less the Batman I enjoy.

Bale. Fix the batvoice and you've got yourself a near-perfect Batman/Bruce Wayne.

Love the bat voice, Bale all the way

Bale's batman was pwned by Ledger's joker. Batman felt inferior throughout the movie and his stupid "batvoice" ruined what little that was left. his portrayal of Bruce Wayne in begins was good but in dark knight he was boring and dull. you never got to feel his trauma or his obsssion in the movie.

Bale is the best batman but only in Begins. he ruined it in DK.

~Sado

Ahem...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f50/t490022.html

And... Bale.

Originally posted by Toku King
So Adam West.

I love Adam West's Batman just because I love the idiocy of it. The best Batman is Kevin Conroy.

Adam west was the best, he really put emotion into the character.

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Bale.

Michael Keaton

If Bale had the same voice in DK as he did in Batman Begins, then Bale

Originally posted by Sado22
. you never got to feel his trauma or his obsssion in the movie.

~Sado

That isn't the actors fault at all.

true.

Originally posted by Sado22
Bale's batman was pwned by Ledger's joker. Batman felt inferior throughout the movie and his stupid "batvoice" ruined what little that was left. his portrayal of Bruce Wayne in begins was good but in dark knight he was boring and dull. you never got to feel his trauma or his obsssion in the movie.

Bale is the best batman but only in Begins. he ruined it in DK.

~Sado I completly disagree. I think Bales performance was very good in TDK, and considering that the movie at heart is about him, his role is the most relevant.

Batman: Michael Keaton
Bruce Wayne: Christian Bale

everyone's entitled to an opinion. i'm no "movie critic" so i dont go around being pretending to be objective. to me he felt pale in comparison to Joker throughout the movie. Bruce Wayne was boring in this one (but like Jinxed pointed out it was probably more the director's fault than Bale's) and we never got to see his struggle in the way we got to see it in Batman Begins. the element of internalized fear, intimidation and tragedy are big parts of Batman/Bruce (at least DC likes to have us think so anyway) and those Batman and Bruce lacked for the entire movie. even Rachel's death didn't traumatize him as one would hope.

~Sado

yes, the fact that Batman felt weak only made Joker better. that said, i wouldn't take anything away from the power of Ledger's performance.

The answer tot he thread's topic is: not Bale.

Any other answer is acceptable.

Yeah as a couple people have said,this topic has been done to death in the Batman section.Its good that it got posted here though cause many people that normally dont go to the Batman section have posted their thoughts here that otherwise would not have gotten posted.

That being said,Bale is the one and only true Bruce Wayne/Batman to have played the part.I agree with Bruce Skywalker.His voice was awesome.All the others are phony imposters.Okay Adam West was great the way he did it.It was great the way he hammed it up.That show wasnt suppose to be a serious adaptation of Batman so I loved Adam West in that classic show.Its still fun to watch today for laughs.

Thank god for Nolan cause all the other actors that played Batman in the movies prior to Bale just did not cut it.Keaton,Kilmer and Clooney all sucked.Keaton was a good Batman.He did good work in using his voice but he was a horrible Bruce Wayne.Not only was he a joke in that role cause he had the wrong build and wrong look which is crucial for the character,but he acted nothing at all like Bruce Wayne.Especially in the first film.

Kilmer while a much better choice for Bruce Wayne than Keaton was since he had the right build and look,was an excellent Bruce Wayne and portrayed him very well but was a very bad Batman. Bale was awesome as BOTH Bruce Wayne and Batman.Clooney was just god awful in both roles and didnt even disguise his voice as Batman like Keaton and Kilmer did.

There may someday be another actor like Bale who does an amazing job as both Bruce Wayne and Batman in future years when they restart the franchise again but for right now,Bale is the one and only true Bruce Wayne/Batman to have played the role so far.again thank god for Nolan.

Bale, as portrayed within Begins. He was certainly good in TDK, and without him, the entire movie would have fallen apart, but I think he came off as more interesting and three-dimensional in Begins. This is likely due to the entire focus on Begins being on him, while TDK is more of an ensemble- so you can 'blame' it on the writers.

Originally posted by Sado22
yes, the fact that Batman felt weak only made Joker better. that said, i wouldn't take anything away from the power of Ledger's performance.

I agree.

Originally posted by Sado22
Bale's batman was pwned by Ledger's joker. Batman felt inferior throughout the movie and his stupid "batvoice" ruined what little that was left. his portrayal of Bruce Wayne in begins was good but in dark knight he was boring and dull. you never got to feel his trauma or his obsssion in the movie.

Bale is the best batman but only in Begins. he ruined it in DK.

~Sado Speak for yourself. The Joker was great but when it was all said and done it was a "Batman" movie. Many scenes depict Batman's badassnes.

And his staleness.

Joker always steals the show from Batman. Because he is a far superior character.

and at exactly which part did you see me saying that I was 100% objective? also, it won't be the first time where a secondary character stole the show. Silence of the lambs wasn't Clarice's show but winded up becoming all about Hannibal Lecter. Apocolypse Now was all supposed to be about Charlie Sheen but ended up being all about just TWO appearances by Brando's Kurtz. yes it was a Batman movie but Batman was an inferior character to Ledger's joker.


ditto


well, its arguable but Joker definitely made Bats run for the money.

~Sado

Batman is a rotting emo pile of shit.

/endfact

well after getting hit by those omega beams from Darkseid......he pretty much is. Batman is dead

Originally posted by Sado22
and at exactly which part did you see me saying that I was 100% objective? also, it won't be the first time where a secondary character stole the show. Silence of the lambs wasn't Clarice's show but winded up becoming all about Hannibal Lecter.

Actually, Silence of the Lambs is a very nice analogy, because while Lecter stole the show and was therefore the most memorable character, the movie would've utterly failed without Clarice Starling, who represents a sympathetic emotional center that Lecter simply cannot. Now, while I think Clarice is considerably better acted than Batman, it still stands that this same thing applies to TDK- Joker may be the flashiest and most memorable character, but Batman represents a sympathetic emotional center. At least I think so.

^Right. Bales role by its very nature woldn't allow him to be more memorable than the Joker. Ledger was more memorable because he was more visceral and generated fear(or at least sheer evilness), while Bale had a more human character.

yes, Joker on his own probably wouldn't have carried the movie. no one is denying that batman did do something for the movie. no one's denying the hard work Bale put into it either (the man's professional about his work) but for the titler character, he was easily overshadowed by the secondary. it happens often, and its probably the strength of Ledger's performance, the dynamic nature of the character or over emphasis on Joker instead of Batman.........or all three perhaps. either way, Batman winded up paling in comparison.

~Sado

^What? He displayed very good detective skills befitting one with the moniker "worlds greatest detective". He also displayed good engineering prowess as he built the giant sonar device himself.

Do you actually read the comics? Batman doesn't kill, Burton's Batman was a deviation from that stupid rule, which is why alot of comic fans were pissed at Burton. Hell, that is the reason Keaton's cannot be the best Batman(bit of an oxymoron, eh?).

Batman was facing a far superior Joker than Keaton's in terms of intelligence. So that is a fallacious argument as to why Keaton's Batman wins the intelligence department.

Originally posted by Sado22
yes, Joker on his own probably wouldn't have carried the movie. no one is denying that batman did do something for the movie. no one's denying the hard work Bale put into it either (the man's professional about his work) but for the titler character, he was easily overshadowed by the secondary. it happens often, and its probably the strength of Ledger's performance, the dynamic nature of the character or over emphasis on Joker instead of Batman.........or all three perhaps. either way, Batman winded up paling in comparison.

~Sado

I agree, but I still think it should be noted that the nature of their roles means the Joker will always overshadow Batman, especially in a realistic environment like Nolan's. Hell, Batman's a far more realistic character than the Joker. But that's besides the point. What is the point is the fact that Bale's role is considerably more subtle than the Joker's; when you go out of the movie, you think "Damn, what a badass the Joker was". Maybe you'll think that Batman was impotent or flat; but regardless, there's no denying that he carried forward the psyche of the film.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Batman is a rotting emo pile of shit.

/endfact

As are you.

/endfact

Batman is IMO a crap character.

That is fact.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Joker always steals the show from Batman. Because he is a far superior character.

No, that's not what I mean.

I mean, Christian Bale is... boring. He doesn't have any emotion. Batman is an emo retard, but he's not utterly emotionless like Bale is. Bale literally had the same mopey look on his face the entire movie. I'm serious. The man only has ONE look.

As I've said before, you could have replaced all of Bale in all the out of suit scenes with a piece of cardboard and no one would have noticed.

His acting reminds me of Keanu Reeves' acting.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
No, that's not what I mean.

I mean, Christian Bale is... boring. He doesn't have any emotion. Batman is an emo retard, but he's not utterly emotionless like Bale is. Bale literally had the same mopey look on his face the entire movie. I'm serious. The man only has ONE look.

As I've said before, you could have replaced all of Bale in all the out of suit scenes with a piece of cardboard and no one would have noticed.

His acting reminds me of Keanu Reeves' acting. I see where you're coming from, but I clearly don't agree. Bruce Wayne/Batman is an emotionally withdrawn person who happens to be an uber genius as well. He has no real character flaws that are superficial, like lets say alcoholism. His problems are on a philisophical and ethical level that you can see him pondering and acting out if you payed any attention. He is far from the boring Keannu Reeves.

ah, i see what you mean. sure, batman and joker are suppossed to carry each other in the show. that's why they are both always played as polar opposites (this is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object). both are powerful characters that basically drive the story as two wheels that work in oppositte directions. but this time around the balance was a little....off. they are both supposed to be interesting and powerful but Joker proved to be more so. that was the problem. batman, normally, never falls in Joker's shadow. even in stuff like The Killling Joke, Joker never outshone Bats. i see what you mean though.


emotionally withdrawn is one thing. being a cardboard is another. did you even feel that Bruce was devastated at Rachel's death. it felt more like "rachel is dead. shit."

~Sado

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
I see where you're coming from, but I clearly don't agree. Bruce Wayne/Batman is an emotionally withdrawn person who happens to be an uber genius as well. He has no real character flaws that are superficial, like lets say alcoholism. His problems are on a philisophical and ethical level that you can see him pondering and acting out if you payed any attention. He is far from the boring Keannu Reeves.

"Paid attention"?

I read the damn comics. I know all about Batman's character. His comic book persona is livelier than Bale's performance makes it out to be. Like Sado said, Bale didn't even look devastated. He just had that same exact look on his face that he has every other minute of the film.

http://craig.purplestateofmind.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/alfred-and-bruce-wayne.jpg

http://www.dvdfuture.com/images/upload/batmancb1.jpg

http://batman.ugo.com/images/galleries/batman_begins_filmtv/3.jpg

http://www.superherotimes.com/news/images/christian_bale18.jpg

http://www.thedailygreen.com/cm/thedailygreen/images/Oi/cardboard-box-open-lg.jpg

http://www.webwombat.com.au/entertainment/movies/images/christian-bale-1.JPG

He looks confused.

Wow, you took one still frame from The Dark Knight, two from Begins and one that wasn't even in either film. That sure does represent ALL of his facial expressions. *obvious sarcasm*

You and I argued about this in another topic. You're still wrong. <----- "Christian Bale Face"

bruce wayne =

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Do you actually read the comics? Batman doesn't kill, Burton's Batman was a deviation from that stupid rule, which is why alot of comic fans were pissed at Burton. Hell, that is the reason Keaton's cannot be the best Batman(bit of an oxymoron, eh?).

Batman was facing a far superior Joker than Keaton's in terms of intelligence. So that is a fallacious argument as to why Keaton's Batman wins the intelligence department.

exactly.well done ThunderGod. Burtons Batman was a disgrace to the comicbook.Other than Clooney,Keaton was the worst casting choice for that part.pudgy gut,receding hairline,half bald,short runt Michael Keaton for tall,muscular,handsome,full set of Hair Bruce wayne.What a sick joke and an insult to true Batman fans.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
"Paid attention"?

I read the damn comics. I know all about Batman's character. His comic book persona is livelier than Bale's performance makes it out to be. Like Sado said, Bale didn't even look devastated. He just had that same exact look on his face that he has every other minute of the film.

http://craig.purplestateofmind.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/alfred-and-bruce-wayne.jpg

http://www.dvdfuture.com/images/upload/batmancb1.jpg

http://batman.ugo.com/images/galleries/batman_begins_filmtv/3.jpg

http://www.superherotimes.com/news/images/christian_bale18.jpg

http://www.thedailygreen.com/cm/thedailygreen/images/Oi/cardboard-box-open-lg.jpg

http://www.webwombat.com.au/entertainment/movies/images/christian-bale-1.JPG

He looks confused.

Point of the day.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Batman is IMO a crap character.

That is fact.

You prove that opinions can be wrong.

That is fact.

Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Wow, you took one still frame from The Dark Knight, two from Begins and one that wasn't even in either film.

Yeah. Your right. Bale in general just sucks as an actor. Like Keanu. He could be godo if he showed some emotion... he doesn't.

And no, cursing a lot and hammering away on a steering wheel does not= emotion.



Woah. RLY??!?!



The answer to your question, is no.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
exactly.well done ThunderGod. Burtons Batman was a disgrace to the comicbook.Other than Clooney,Keaton was the worst casting choice for that part.pudgy gut,receding hairline,half bald,short runt Michael Keaton for tall,muscular,handsome,full set of Hair Bruce wayne.What a sick joke and an insult to true Batman fans. Fun fact: I despise Batman.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
No, that's not what I mean.

I mean, Christian Bale is... boring. He doesn't have any emotion. Batman is an emo retard, but he's not utterly emotionless like Bale is. Bale literally had the same mopey look on his face the entire movie. I'm serious. The man only has ONE look.

As I've said before, you could have replaced all of Bale in all the out of suit scenes with a piece of cardboard and no one would have noticed.

His acting reminds me of Keanu Reeves' acting. Bale didn't have the same look on his face.

Although he was noticeably worse in TDK.

And stfu, Keanu Reeves is God.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Bale didn't have the same look on his face.

Maybe not as bad in Begins.



Keanu ahs the same problem nigga.

Keaton is my favorite Batman.

doesn't stop him from sucking though

Originally posted by Sado22
doesn't stop him from sucking though

right on.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
What the hell? What villain has ever waged the same degree of emotional damage upon Batman, caused the same amount of harm to Gotham, and essentially won in the end? Let me get more specific:

1. What villain demonstrated the ability to morally corrupt the most 'good' character within the film?
2. What villain held an entire city under his virtual control through the usage of terrorist antics?
3. What villain spread endless panic and anarchy throughout the people of Gotham?
4. What villain is motivated by an ideology that has nothing to do with personal gain or money? Or more correctly; what villain's entire scheme was orchestrated around proving his ideological point?
5. What villain managed to cause an utter psychological breakdown of Batman's almighty 'no killing' rule, and pushed Batman close to the brink of moral corruption?
6. What villain managed to prevent Batman from achieving his personal goal (achieving a normal life) by leading him to commit indirect murder twice in the film, both of which times the murder was of a character vital to Bruce Wayne's desire for a normal life?
7. What villain left the movie without the answer to his scheme clearly "No! He's ideology is wrong and stems from him being abused by society!", but actually left the possibility open that maybe, just maybe, he had a degree of truth in his apparent madness?

All of these are extremely 'Joker-ish' qualities. The fact that he didn't assault Gotham with laughing gas and an array of silly, gimmicky weapons doesn't make him 'just like any other villain'.

And how is this relevant to the Batman debate? Well, it's everything Batman had to go through this movie. Without him- the emotional center of the movie, the man whose morality is being tested (and, especially in our current times, I can fully identify with that) and destroyed, the man who needs a rather insane disguise and method of operation in order to maintain his sanity, and the man who goes through all of the hopelessness and emotional turmoil, the film would have failed.

all great points Master but you took the words right out of my mouth,how is this relevant to the topic here of best actor to play Batman?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Show me a single damn person Batman has ever killed. Capable of doing so? He doesn't kill the Joker, who consistently escapes Arkham like two days later and kills a family or something before being caught. Hell, he let Alexander Luthor Jr. live in Infinite Crisis, who had plans and was actually proven to be capable of causing the death of every being in the universe. Ironically, Alex was killed that day, but not by Batman, by Joker. But the point is, Batman does not kill, for any reason. Keaton can say whatever the fvck he wants. And he made Joker fall to his death, that is killing. Also, Batman killed when not "necessary," like the big black guy, he could have(hell, going by how Batman is supposed to be, SHOULD have) knocked him out, but no, sent him falling down from like 30 stories. Comic Batman would kick the shit out of Keaton for his portrayal of him, although in actuality they both suck anyway.

2. Chemical genius, sure. Strategic mastermind? No friggin way. Ledger's Joker kept the entire city behind him with his plans and plans within plans, you will never be able to prove Nicholson's Joker was a better strategist.

Yeah thats why Burtons Batman is a disgrace to the name of Batman.He should be shot for bringing that monstrocity of Batman-"in name only." to the big screen.Even in the beginning comics when Batman killed,he only did so when it was absolutley neccessary and there was no other way out.He could easily have avoided killing that big black guy and also those joker goons that he blew up.

Batman killed people in cowardly ways in the Burton movies.That idiot Burton must have thought he was directing a Punisher movie.I mean come on,thats how The Punisher operates not Batman.

Burtons Batman movies were such a disgrace to the name of Batman.Killing The Joker like he did,that was murder and he should have been wanted for murder for The Joker at the end instead of being treated like a damn hero regardless of The Jokers past actions.Horrible screenwriting for that movie.Killing The Joker, Batmans arch enemy,Burton should be shot for that disgrace and so should the screenwriters.Thats what I really loved about Nolans Batman movies.THEY were believeable.The police were after Batman even though he didn't kill anybody which is realistic cause nobody is allowed to take the law into their own hands.

btw Thundergod,if you despise Batman so much,how come you know so much about him and how come you read so many of his comics then?

Adam West and Christian Bale

I don't think you can really pick between the two though

West had the element of comedy, while Bale had the more serious element

Originally posted by Kotor3
Seriously Master Crimzon you actually feel that no other villain of Batman has done the things you mention?

Yes, that's about right. Not in the same manner, not for the same motives, and not to the same degree of success.

As for attacking Gotham with gimmicky weapons? Pretty much every Batman villain has done that.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
What the hell? What villain has ever waged the same degree of emotional damage upon Batman, caused the same amount of harm to Gotham, and essentially won in the end? Let me get more specific:

1. What villain demonstrated the ability to morally corrupt the most 'good' character within the film?
2. What villain held an entire city under his virtual control through the usage of terrorist antics?
3. What villain spread endless panic and anarchy throughout the people of Gotham?
4. What villain is motivated by an ideology that has nothing to do with personal gain or money? Or more correctly; what villain's entire scheme was orchestrated around proving his ideological point?
5. What villain managed to cause an utter psychological breakdown of Batman's almighty 'no killing' rule, and pushed Batman close to the brink of moral corruption?
6. What villain managed to prevent Batman from achieving his personal goal (achieving a normal life) by leading him to commit indirect murder twice in the film, both of which times the murder was of a character vital to Bruce Wayne's desire for a normal life?
7. What villain left the movie without the answer to his scheme clearly "No! He's ideology is wrong and stems from him being abused by society!", but actually left the possibility open that maybe, just maybe, he had a degree of truth in his apparent madness?

All of these are extremely 'Joker-ish' qualities. The fact that he didn't assault Gotham with laughing gas and an array of silly, gimmicky weapons doesn't make him 'just like any other villain'.

And how is this relevant to the Batman debate? Well, it's everything Batman had to go through this movie. Without him- the emotional center of the movie, the man whose morality is being tested (and, especially in our current times, I can fully identify with that) and destroyed, the man who needs a rather insane disguise and method of operation in order to maintain his sanity, and the man who goes through all of the hopelessness and emotional turmoil, the film would have failed. Agree with everything except number 7. Because the two boats didn't blow themselves apart, that there proves that the Jokers thesis isn't correct. Also proven by Batmans actions. Harvey Dent was boardering on insanity or at least tyranny even before he became Two Face.

Originally posted by Selphie
Adam West and Christian Bale

I don't think you can really pick between the two though

West had the element of comedy, while Bale had the more serious element

thats pretty much what I said in my first post.Thats why I am glad this thread has been allowed to stay in the movie discussion section because you get opinions from people like Selphie who you normally wouldnt get in the Batman section.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
but like I said,thats why Burtons Batman was a disgrace to the comicbook was cause he only did so when he absoultely had to and there was no other way out.He didnt do it in cowardly ways like he did in Burtons flicks.The Burton films were so horrible Burton should be shot for that travesty.

You really hate the Burton films don't you? I only have that type of hatred for the X-Men and Resident Evil films.

Originally posted by Kotor3
You really hate the Burton films don't you? I only have that type of hatred for the X-Men and Resident Evil films.

Yep.Only the Burton Batman films and The spider-man films-"just look at my sig-LOL,"do I have that kind of hatred for a comicbook film.I've never been an xmen fan but if I loved the xmen as much as I do Spidey and Bats,I guarantee you I would have the same hatred towards Bryan Singer that I do towards Burton and Raimi changing their costumes like they did.

Plus the thing I thought was dumb about Xmen is they shouldnt even bother making this new Wolverine movie.I mean come on,the first two X-men films were all about the character of Wolverine.He had the majority of the screentime.So yeah its a good thing I've never been an x-men fan or I would have been heaping mad about that movie when it first came out.The first two films should have just been called Wolverine.he was the star of those movies.sure wasnt an x-men movie about the origins of all the characters.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Thats one more reason I put Keatons Batman at the bottom of the list.I always liked Kilmer the best of the Burton/Schumacher Batman movies cause he not only at least looked the part,he also acted like Bruce Wayne as well.Keaton just copied Chris Reeves performance as superman acting like a goofy dork as Bruce Wayne around Vicki Vale and being macho as Batman.

That works for Superman but that DOESNT work for Batman.Bruce Wayne is cool,suave and smooth with the women,not this nervous bumbling dork who cant remember his name or if he has ever been in a room in the mansion he has lived in his whole life. Kilmer portrayed wayne better cause he at least acted like him.

He was smooth with Chase Meridian in the movie like Wayne is with women.Plus Kilmer was a much better fighter that Keatons Batman.Keatons was a wuss who couldnt even beat one guy.That Black dude in the belltower.He got the crap kicked out of him by that goon.Bales Batman REALLY captured all the qualitys of Bruce Wayne and Batman,having plenty of women with him and showing how he can take out several dozens of bad guys at one time with his amazing martial arts abilitys Batman has.

I will address your comments about Keaton later. So for added qualities you stated cool, suave and smooth. I agree.

Mr. Parker looking at your statment again I really can't believe you stated Kilmer. The only thing he had was the square face. The only reason I do not give it to Bale is because his character was destroyed in TDK by the horrible script. The fact is TDK script is just a poor as the 1989 version of Batman if not worse. I will gladly point out everything that was poor it you would like me to.

Like i said,Kilmer at least wasnt a short runt with a balding, receding hairline and was tall and muscular like Bruce wayne is suppose to be. And you already agreed with me that he at least acted like Bruce Wayne as well and yes please point out to me how on earth Bale destroyed the character in TDK and how on earth TDK is a poor script. TDK doesnt even come close to being the god awful movie BATMAN 89 is.Nolans Batman movies have tons of non stop action in them throughout the movie like a Batman movie should have.They didnt just stand around talking practically the whole damn time and Nolans Batman didnt murder people either.

The Burton and the Schumacher movies were crap for different reasons. They all sucked as hell, a nigthmare franchise to forget. Keaton was a disgrase for the role not only because he didnt look the part at all, he was a terrible bruce wayne, playing a Clark Kent wannabe or something. And the guy was a terrible fighter, slow as hell. Val Kilmer looked the part more than keaton, but he was too light as batman, althought a better fighter than keaton. Clooney was just a joke, playing himself as batman and playing himself as bruce wayne.The guy even didnt change his voice, as Keaton, Kilmer and Bale did. But Bale is the definitive batman. As bruce wayne, he is coold, the party guy, the atractive rich man who gets all the women. And as batman, he was a great fighter, he looked the part and is scary as hell with the bat mask. Maybe his voice sounded a little bit forced at times in the dark knight, but he was great in both movies. I think that he was almost equally as good in dark knight than in begins, but Ledger's joker outshadowed him. But Bale is the best one, the others were a joke. West was a good campy batman in a comedy way and Kevin Conroy was a great voice for batman.

To compare the dark knight script or begins script to the other stupid movies is funny as hell. Nicholson's joker beating the batwing with a gun??? Nicholson shooting keaton and not killing him because a plate???Bruce wayne being a dork who couldnt remember the rooms in his own house??? Some black guy beating the crap of batman, who is a martial arts expert??? Batman killing like a coward??? The joker dieing??? The penguin dieing??? The penguin is a freak who lives in a sewer with penguins??? Penguins in a sewer brading a baby??? A girl is back to life because the cats and now is a martial arts artist with super strenght and super agility??? And so on and so on.

Come on , dudes, if you are looking for some mistakes in the dark knight only take a look to the burton and shumacher movies, a big bunch of mistakes and disgraces that is funny to post all of them.

^It is excepted canon that Joker is an unpredictable and exceptional fighter at times.

Its Adam, who else would suit the character Batman than him. Comparing his action with others, you will agree he is the best.

Kotor, i dont know why are you saying that the dark knight destroyed the batman character. In the comics, the joker is very smart, but batman is smarter. In the movie , at the end, batman wins i think. He knowed about the joker's plan and captured him at the end. He won against a great criminal mastermind as is the joker, and without killing him. I dont know betrayal or destroy thing is this.

In the batman 1989, for me to make the joker the killer of his parents was just a mistake. Batman and joker fight each other not because something that personal, but because what they portrays and represents. Batman is the order, the justice in his own. Joker is anarchy, terrorism, absurd, madness. Just two symbols against each other. Two faces of a coin. But if you make joker the killer of his parents, this is more a personal war against this particular criminal, a personal vendetta, and that is a mistake. I thing that to have a joker without past , a mysterious madman was the best way to portrayal the character, and it made their war more atractive.

And yes, as mr parker has said very well, if Nolan killed two face in the dark knight, that will be a great mistake because two face is a so great villain that he deserves a movie in his own to developes all his glory. I really think and hope that two face is still alive. In the other hand, yes, Bale looks a so full of himself guy in real life, but he is a great actor and he portrayed batman and bruce wayne the best.

And dont mistake me, i dont saying that for being a martial arts artists he couldnt get problems in a fight. But the problem was that he was a slow and bad fighter in the first two batman movies. That black guy beated him very easily. He was hurted? yes, but still a top martial arts artist. I have sseen a hurted batman beating the crap of the likes or killer croc or clayface. One strong guy without any martial arts skills at all couldnt beat him so easily as he did, that was just stupid.

The joker isnt a specially good fighter. He is a crazy dude, and he has good luck and his madness made him umpredecible and very strong at times, but he isnt a rival for batman in fighting skills.

Also,Kotor3, i could respect you because you are discussing in a very civilized way, and althougth i dont agree with your points, i respect you and your arguments.

Batman did kill people in the comics though early on. Didn't all comics get chided for their violence and then DC introduced Batman's no kill rule as a wussy cop out and they just turned it into something that was an integral part of his mythos? Personally I don't want Batman intentionally killing anyone but I'm not gonna whine if a few people die that he's trying to catch as a result of him pursuing them or trying to stop some greater evil.

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
Batman did kill people in the comics though early on. Didn't all comics get chided for their violence and then DC introduced Batman's no kill rule as a wussy cop out and they just turned it into something that was an integral part of his mythos? Personally I don't want Batman intentionally killing anyone but I'm not gonna whine if a few people die that he's trying to catch as a result of him pursuing them or trying to stop some greater evil.

Beautifully said!

Originally posted by Kotor3
I gave my reasons but to add, as you stated batman is smarter. Can you honestly say that this was shown in TDK? Yes, Batman capture the Joker through use of technology and not his own wits which in my opinion is a disgrace to the Batman?s character which we know to be highly intelligent and a great detective.


True Joker did not kill Batman?s parents. That was a change in story. Still without getting into the stories of any of the movies which are all untrue to the comics, we still saw straits of Batman?s character and could match it and relate to the situation at hand. We could since the conflict in Batman?s character, about his life style and what he must do. Similar to what was shown in Batman Begins. Do you agree?


Two Face should not have been in the movie. It was terrible. He is one of my most favorite characters for Batman?s villains and he was not done justice at all. So I will leave this one alone.


In the 1989 version we saw people fight Batman one on one with swords and there own skill. The three men in the tower were evidently special hench-men of the Joker. Batman, just survive a plane crash. He could hardly walk. He was knocking over chairs. Batman did do pretty well with the fact that only the black guy gave him any issues.


I agree with this statement. That is what makes the fight scene between Batman and the Joker so horrible in TDK. For someone who took on a swat team and thugs but had problems with the Joker was absolutely ridiculous. For everything the Joker did Batman did not give him enough of a beating. Unlike his first villain in Batman Begins who he let die, as he is fighting the Joker he decides to save the Joker from falling. The one who killed his love! Why? Because now Batman is a Boy-Scott.



Thx

Fellow, When the joker prooved to be smarter than batman??? At the end of the story, Batman knowed about Joker's plan and joker's plan failed. He found him and he did beat him. Technoly use? Well, he used that technology in his favour in an smart way. He did that technology,He knows how to use that techonology to find the joker, and he did it. To me, that shows that he is smart. And he used some detective skills in both begins and dark knight. I think that he was showed as a very smart guy in the movies.

Not, im not agree with your second statment. I think that the batman 89 movie, didnt catch any of the batman character conflicts. We dint know about his origin, his story, his motivations, etc. All was about the joker. He just does his job and thats all. We only saw a little flashback when his parentes were killed, nothing more, and some little bits with keaton puting sad expressions, nothing more. Batman begins was the first movie to understand the character and why he is batman and his motivations.

Agree in part with you about two face. I would preffer that he was only harvey dent in the dark knight with a cliffhanger at the end of the movie and then a third movie for him in all his two face glory. I hope that he will be in the third movie, if not, it would be a great mistake by Nolan.

The black guy didnt have any special fighting skills, he was only an strong guy, nothing more. Yes, batman was hurted, but he could do much better that he did in that particular scene against the black guy. It seems that this black guy were killer croc or man-bat or clayface or bane or something.

Lets see, the joker used three rodwaillers dogs to atack batman and distracts him, and then , when batman was distracted, joker used that piece of steel to beat him with all his madness and fury. But batman didnit kill him because he isnt a killer, just like in the most of the comics.


And lets say the truth, batman killer in a cowardly way in the first tim burton movies and joel schumacher movies. Killed the joker, killed the guns in the chemichal factory, killed the penguin, killed two face. That was coward and stupid to do. Im not against batman killed in self defense to beat a greater evil, but not in that cowardly way that he did in those bad movies.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Fellow, When the joker prooved to be smarter than batman??? At the end of the story, Batman knowed about Joker's plan and joker's plan failed. He found him and he did beat him. Technoly use? Well, he used that technology in his favour in an smart way. He did that technology,He knows how to use that techonology to find the joker, and he did it. To me, that shows that he is smart. And he used some detective skills in both begins and dark knight. I think that he was showed as a very smart guy in the movies.

Not, im not agree with your second statment. I think that the batman 89 movie, didnt catch any of the batman character conflicts. We dint know about his origin, his story, his motivations, etc. All was about the joker. He just does his job and thats all. We only saw a little flashback when his parentes were killed, nothing more, and some little bits with keaton puting sad expressions, nothing more. Batman begins was the first movie to understand the character and why he is batman and his motivations.

Agree in part with you about two face. I would preffer that he was only harvey dent in the dark knight with a cliffhanger at the end of the movie and then a third movie for him in all his two face glory. I hope that he will be in the third movie, if not, it would be a great mistake by Nolan.

The black guy didnt have any special fighting skills, he was only an strong guy, nothing more. Yes, batman was hurted, but he could do much better that he did in that particular scene against the black guy. It seems that this black guy were killer croc or man-bat or clayface or bane or something.

Lets see, the joker used three rodwaillers dogs to atack batman and distracts him, and then , when batman was distracted, joker used that piece of steel to beat him with all his madness and fury. But batman didnit kill him because he isnt a killer, just like in the most of the comics.


And lets say the truth, batman killer in a cowardly way in the first tim burton movies and joel schumacher movies. Killed the joker, killed the guns in the chemichal factory, killed the penguin, killed two face. That was coward and stupid to do. Im not against batman killed in self defense to beat a greater evil, but not in that cowardly way that he did in those bad movies.

Well it seems that we definitely are not going to agree since we see the movie scenes depicted differently. Personally I feel Keaton displayed the characteristics the best and Bale physcially depicted Batman the best.

I like Adem West's Batman the best...

Originally posted by bakerboy
Fellow, When the joker prooved to be smarter than batman??? At the end of the story, Batman knowed about Joker's plan and joker's plan failed. He found him and he did beat him. Technoly use? Well, he used that technology in his favour in an smart way. He did that technology,He knows how to use that techonology to find the joker, and he did it. To me, that shows that he is smart. And he used some detective skills in both begins and dark knight. I think that he was showed as a very smart guy in the movies.

Not, im not agree with your second statment. I think that the batman 89 movie, didnt catch any of the batman character conflicts. We dint know about his origin, his story, his motivations, etc. All was about the joker. He just does his job and thats all. We only saw a little flashback when his parentes were killed, nothing more, and some little bits with keaton puting sad expressions, nothing more. Batman begins was the first movie to understand the character and why he is batman and his motivations.

Agree in part with you about two face. I would preffer that he was only harvey dent in the dark knight with a cliffhanger at the end of the movie and then a third movie for him in all his two face glory. I hope that he will be in the third movie, if not, it would be a great mistake by Nolan.

The black guy didnt have any special fighting skills, he was only an strong guy, nothing more. Yes, batman was hurted, but he could do much better that he did in that particular scene against the black guy. It seems that this black guy were killer croc or man-bat or clayface or bane or something.

Lets see, the joker used three rodwaillers dogs to atack batman and distracts him, and then , when batman was distracted, joker used that piece of steel to beat him with all his madness and fury. But batman didnit kill him because he isnt a killer, just like in the most of the comics.


And lets say the truth, batman killer in a cowardly way in the first tim burton movies and joel schumacher movies. Killed the joker, killed the guns in the chemichal factory, killed the penguin, killed two face. That was coward and stupid to do. Im not against batman killed in self defense to beat a greater evil, but not in that cowardly way that he did in those bad movies.

well done. one thing we all agree on is that would be a huge mistake on Nolans part if Two Face is dead.Like Bakerboy said,he should have only been in there as Harvey Dent and we should never have seen Two face till the next movie.I also agree that Joker never proved to be smarter cause in the end Batman found him and beat him and that he was using his smarts using his technology to beat Joker.Like Bakerboy said,Batman used his detective skills and both Batman Begins and in The Dark Knight.

If were going to talk technology here Kotor thats another reason i would have to say Batman Forever did a much better job of showing Batmans detective skills he has than the first two Batman films did cause Batman had to use his technology big time in Batman 89 to defeat the joker.Where in Batman Forever, Batman used his detective skills without technology to figure out what The Riddler was up to to defeat him.

Like Bakerboy said so well.Batman 89 didnt capture ANY of Batmans character conflicts because the majority of the screentime was devoted way too much to the joker and batman was a supporting character.Like he said,we didnt know about his origin,his story,his motivations or nothing because of that.At least we finally learned that in Batman Forever.

Also like Bakerboy said so well,that e black guy didnt even have any special fighting skills and the batman from the comics could have wipped his butt EASILY blindfolded because like Bakerboy said so well he has defeated big strong dudes like clayface,killer croc and manbat while being severely hurt at the same time as well.Batman 89 was a disgrace to his character him getting his ass wipped by that black guy only to kill him in the cowardly way he did when it was unnessary.Like Bakerboy said,the joker used rotweilers to attack Batman to distract him he beat on him with a metal iron and when he got free of the rope he did not kill him cause Batman is not a killer.

I also feel the same as well as bakerboy does.I dont mind if he kills people if its in self defense and there is no other way.But the ways he did it in such cowardly ways in the the Burton/schumacher movies were a disgrace to the name of Batman.

Im glad that Impediment has allowed this thread to stay in the movie discussion section because too many of the fanboys in the Batman section get all whiney and engage in childish name calling when I put down the Burton Batman films like a guy known as A.C.Thats why like Bakerboy said,I also respect your viewpoints even though they are different than mine.oh and thanks for clearing that up for me what you met in that post.

Originally posted by Scythe
I like Adem West's Batman the best...

thats another reason I am really glad this thread has been allowed to stay in the batman section cause I have noticed people who dont normally post in the batman section who arent die hard fanboys worshipping keaton as god as batman,that the causal posters say either Bale or adam west.

If this post of scythes was made in the batman section they would say something like-West? your an idiot.further proof your an idiot is you cant even spell west's first name right.You cant make a spelling mistake or anything in the batman or spiderman section without those idiots saying something like that half the time.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
thats another reason I am really glad this thread has been allowed to stay in the batman section cause I have noticed people who dont normally post in the batman section who arent die hard fanboys worshipping keaton as god as batman,that the causal posters say either Bale or adam west.

If this post of scythes was made in the batman section they would say something like-West? your an idiot.further proof your an idiot is you cant even spell west's first name right.You cant make a spelling mistake or anything in the batman or spiderman section without those idiots saying something like that half the time.

I usually let the fanboys know they can go suck themselves. West to me was the epitome of campy superheroes. It was just great. He had a f*ckin' answer to anything in his Bat-Belt.

yeah great point.very good reason to like him the best.when i think of it that way,he was the most clever one of them all.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
thats another reason I am really glad this thread has been allowed to stay in the batman section cause I have noticed people who dont normally post in the batman section who arent die hard fanboys worshipping keaton as god as batman,that the causal posters say either Bale or adam west.

What are you talking about? Most of all the die hard fanboys in the Batman forum say Bale is their favorite Batman. This is the most support I have seen for Keaton