Ozymandias vs. V

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DarkNemesis
http://vulcanstev.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/watchmen-ozymandias.jpg

vs.

http://z.about.com/d/worldfilm/1/0/r/S/vendetta1.jpg

Movie versions of Alan Moore's two iconic characters duke it out.

Scenario 1: Straight up H2H fight, no weapons. The setting is in the alley where V rescued Evey at the beginning of the movie.

Scenario 2: All out fight, V has his knives. The setting is in Ozymandias's arctic retreat.

Scenario 3: Battle of Intelligence! Would V have been able to discover and thwart Ozymandias's plot before it came into fruition?

Discuss away.

Impediment
Ozy wtfpwns in every scenario.

V is badass, I agree, but Ozy beat down Nite Owl AND Rorschach at the same time.

DarkNemesis
Hmm you think it'd be that easy for Ozy?

I searched for this thread and came up with a V vs. Rorschach discussion which ended in everyone saying that Rorschach was solidly outclassed and that V was more in Ozy's realm, which is why I made this thread.

I agree with you that Ozy has the edge here but...just saying.

Impediment
Look up Ozymandias vs. Batman.

KingD19
Well the last fight scene in V shows how awesome he is, he can hang with Ozy.

EvilAngel
Originally posted by DarkNemesis


Scenario 1: Straight up H2H fight, no weapons. The setting is in the alley where V rescued Evey at the beginning of the movie.

Scenario 2: All out fight, V has his knives. The setting is in Ozymandias's arctic retreat.

Scenario 3: Battle of Intelligence! Would V have been able to discover and thwart Ozymandias's plot before it came into fruition?

Ozy trashes this thread.

The guy is the worlds smartest mind, he had the entire country fooled, including Dr Manhattan. And even played all of the heroes very well.

He took on two other heroes at the same time, and is also a bullet timer.


V goes down, hard.

Nephthys
Only one V wins is 3, becuase yes he'd figure it out and unlike Rorschach and Niteowl, he wouldn't try to take him in h2h, he'd just crash a blimp or something into his HQ. *

Ozymandias is sitting in his 'villian'-chair watching his monitors and stroking his pu-Lynx. He switch's the channel on one of the monitor's and lazily peers at it.
'Ah, I see the heros have come to put me in m-HOLY SHIT!! WHAT THE ****!!!!

BOOOOOMMM

*replace blimp with plane and HQ with face.

Rogue Jedi
I hate both these characters, so with complete objectivity I can say Ozy wins.

dadudemon
It's hard to say.

V can tank bullets. He's really strong (but is he "crush a mans head through 8 inches of a solid marble slab" strong?) V is really smart, but no where even remotely close to being on Ozy's scale. Ozy relaxes to watching 100 stations at once. That's....uber, wtf pwn.

Speed: Ozy.

Strength: Close, but Ozy.

Intelligence: Ozy

Knives: V, obviously.

Agility: Ozy, but this is close.





If V has knives in scenario 2, maybe V. In an all out fight, though, each character would plan ahead as each are smart and schemers. However, V has V beat on every single level in the thinking department so Ozy wins if it is truly and all out fight.


Other than that, Ozy wins 1 and 2.










Originally posted by EvilAngel
V goes down, hard.


shifty

BruceSkywalker
Ozy too damn easy

Rogue Jedi
Tanked bullets....Dodged? Absorbed?

Placidity
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Tanked bullets....Dodged? Absorbed?

He stood there and got shot by 4-8 (dun remember) men with automatics until they ran out of bullets. Then he blitzed all of them while they were reloading. He had a metal chest plate, but it was clearly penetrated since it was all bloody when he removed it.

Edit: Ok it was 9 armed people. While severely injured, still managed to lift a grown man with one arm. Heres the video

LLqEWDo1VQk

BruceSkywalker
Originally posted by Placidity
He stood there and got shot by 4-8 (dun remember) men with automatics until they ran out of bullets. Then he blitzed all of them while they were reloading. He had a metal chest plate, but it was clearly penetrated since it was all bloody when he removed it.

Edit: Ok it was 9 armed people. While severely injured, still managed to lift a grown man with one arm. Heres the video

LLqEWDo1VQk


i loved that scene

Quincy
Not arguing one way or another, but what makes you say Ozymandias is faster than V?

EvilAngel
Originally posted by Quincy
Not arguing one way or another, but what makes you say Ozymandias is faster than V?

He caught a bullet no expression Those things move pretty fast. Or so i hear.

Originally posted by dadudemon

shifty

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg165/EvilAngelLarxene/fry.jpg

Darth Martin
I think Veidt and V are dead on in strength. V is slightly faster. With that said, Veidt may seem superior in his film. IMO, this is because he's a far superior martial artist. Now, Veidt is more intelligent as well. V knows his literature, vocabulary, history, romanticism, etc. But V is more of a Reed Richards like in his smarts. We see him working together with Dr. Manhattan on complex machines. He deals with much better technology and runs a multi-billion dollar corporation.

Scenario 1: Ozymandias 10/10.
Scenario 2: V 6/10.
Scenario 3: I'll say yes, V would discover the plan. He's far ahead of Rorschach in intelligence and just as much capable of doing street detective work. That said, Ozymandias is the smarter individual.

Originally posted by Impediment
Look up Ozymandias vs. Batman. This solves nothing. V>>>Batman.

DarkNemesis
Originally posted by Darth Martin
This solves nothing. V>>>Batman.

If he was referring to Bale's Batman, then yeah.

Seriously, compared to Batman in the comics, movie Batman was grotesquely gimped in every single statistical category possible.

And IMO, Veidt has an edge over V in strength.

Darth Martin
Why do you say that? What has Veidt done for you to claim he is V's superior in the strength department?

DarkNemesis
Well, if my memory serves, Veidt's strength feats seemed to be more impressive.

Smashing Blake through kitchen counters and glass tables, flinging him across the room, and then tossing him through plate glass (which you'd have to "step on the gas just to put a crack in it" ). Seriously, the glass just gave away like a paper-thin layer of ice. And not to mention kicking and throwing Nite Owl and Rorschach 30+ feet across the room in his arctic retreat. Those were all feats that IMO put him above V in the strength department.

V was also hella strong (lifting up a 200+ pound man and casually snapping his neck after being shot to hell) but in terms of feats shown in the movie, I still think Veidt is stronger. But then again, it's been a while since I watched V for Vendetta, so I may have forgotten some of V's strength feats.

Darth Martin
Actually, you've made changed my mind. I agree. Good points.

Rogue Jedi
Ozy is gay.

Utrigita
1. Ozy
2. V
3. Ozy

Quincy
Originally posted by EvilAngel
He caught a bullet no expression Those things move pretty fast. Or so i hear.

First off - I LOVE your sarcasm. It's just top-notch.

Secondly - Yes. He caught a bullet. I saw the movie. I read the graphic novel.

I also saw V for Vendetta - and a scene where he fought across a (room-sewer-chamber?) and killed a squad of (cops? soldiers?) all before they could reload their weapons.

Also pretty fast no?

What makes Ozymandias that much faster than V?

Scythe
Originally posted by DarkNemesis
Well, if my memory serves, Veidt's strength feats seemed to be more impressive.

Smashing Blake through kitchen counters and glass tables, flinging him across the room, and then tossing him through plate glass (which you'd have to "step on the gas just to put a crack in it" ). Seriously, the glass just gave away like a paper-thin layer of ice. And not to mention kicking and throwing Nite Owl and Rorschach 30+ feet across the room in his arctic retreat. Those were all feats that IMO put him above V in the strength department.

I thought that was the assassin he hired.

EDIT: fffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu-

Quincy
Originally posted by Scythe
I thought that was the assassin he hired.

YOU ARE STUPID AND I HATE YOU OMG WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU OMG WHAT THE **** MAN IM GOING TO MURDER YOU WITH A SCYTHE AND KEYBLADE YOUR FACE

Scythe
Originally posted by Quincy
YOU ARE STUPID AND I HATE YOU OMG WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU OMG WHAT THE **** MAN IM GOING TO MURDER YOU WITH A SCYTHE AND KEYBLADE YOUR FACE

YOU THINK I LIKE GETTING YELLED AT?!?!? F*CK THIS, IM GONNA GO LAY A F*CKING EGG, I DON'T NEED THIS SHIT!!

Quincy
I'M GOING TO DRESS ALL IN BLACK AND SLAM YOUR HEAD ON A MARBLE TABLE AND THROW YOU THROUGH THE WINDOW OF YOUR FANCY ****ING APARTMENT AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK UP AT ME THE LAST THOUGHT BEFORE YOU'LL DIE WILL BE

"THAT WAS QUINCY? WTF I THOUGHT IT WAS AN ASSASSIN HE HIRED!"

Scythe
Whoa. Hold on there Paul Newman, I have a fancy f*cking apartment?! Dead or not, I win.

Quincy
I suppose you do.

EvilAngel
Originally posted by Quincy
First off - I LOVE your sarcasm. It's just top-notch.

Secondly - Yes. He caught a bullet. I saw the movie. I read the graphic novel.

I also saw V for Vendetta - and a scene where he fought across a (room-sewer-chamber?) and killed a squad of (cops? soldiers?) all before they could reload their weapons.

Also pretty fast no?

What makes Ozymandias that much faster than V?

Eh

He killed them in the time it took them to reload their weapons true, but it seemed like in most of that time they were just gawping at him. Only a handful actually reloaded, and he threw things at those. So yeah, he's fast, but he's not as fast as Ozymandias.

Quincy
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Eh

He killed them in the time it took them to reload their weapons true, but it seemed like in most of that time they were just gawping at him. Only a handful actually reloaded, and he threw things at those. So yeah, he's fast, but he's not as fast as Ozymandias.

Ah come on give some credit.

Ozymandias catching a bullet was impressive. But how does it really rank as a speed feat? Seems more like a quick reflex feat. He can close his hand really fast.

V was moving around slicing and dicing all at high speeds.

Know what I'm saying?

dadudemon
Originally posted by Quincy
Ah come on give some credit.

Ozymandias catching a bullet was impressive. But how does it really rank as a speed feat? Seems more like a quick reflex feat. He can close his hand really fast.

V was moving around slicing and dicing all at high speeds.

Know what I'm saying?

Ah, come on, dude. You're short-changing Ozy, big time. In order for Ozy to move at the speed he did, relative to the speed of the bullet, puts his speed waaaaaaaaaaaaay above human. On top of this, having to clench his hand as fast as he did puts his speed waaaaaaay above human.




Edit - I just noticed that your post started similar to how mine did. I'm not mocking you. It's just the best way to start the post! mad

Quincy
Did you need to say "relative?" I feel like you say that alot. Like it's a tactic or something.

Anyways, I'm not selling him short. It was impressive. I sure as shit couldn't catch a bullet. And it took speed sure. But why does that make him super ridiculously faster than V? I didn't see Ozy actually MOVE super fast during the movie - at least not as fast as V did during that final fight scene.

And you are A HUGE COPYCAT for copying my structure. You dingleberry.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Quincy
Did you need to say "relative?" I feel like you say that alot. Like it's a tactic or something.

Yes. It implies that the speed of Ozy is on scale with the speed of the bullet. On scale implies that it is close like a third the speed, half the speed, etc.

I use "relative" alot because it's the most appropriate way to use the word, at the time of use. There are other words I could use, but it would require:

1. More words to say the same.
2. Another word that doesn't actually capture the point as well as "relative."
3. For me to use another word when talking about speed/velocity in which, relative is and should be used.


I think you're stating this due to the ambiguity of the use. For me, that's not the case. When used for objects in motion, that means that the speed of one can be expressed in a fraction with integers, both numerator and denominator, in single digit whole numbers with a ratio of 1/9 or greater.




Originally posted by Quincy
Anyways, I'm not selling him short. It was impressive. I sure as shit couldn't catch a bullet. And it took speed sure. But why does that make him super ridiculously faster than V? I didn't see Ozy actually MOVE super fast during the movie - at least not as fast as V did during that final fight scene.

Here's why: The did it on Myth Busters with an arrow. They had to make the hand close like.....5-times faster than a highly trained martial artist. I can't remember it properly, but I think it was 5-times faster. The arrow flies around 200fps (maybe 240). That's about 140 MPH.

The handgun bullet that the assassin fired most likely traveled between 1100-1500 feet per second.

That means that a human hand (professional level)can close fast enough to catch something that is roughly 5 times slower than an arrow. We'll say something that travels at 40 FPS is around Peak human speed to catch an arrow. If you want to go higher, we can go to 50 FPS, but that's pushing the velocity of an arrow a bit much. (From the type of bow and arrows used in Myth Busters, that is.)

Knowing that, we can figure out how much faster Ozy is than a peak human. We simply divide the peak speed for human reaction time by the peak speed of Ozy's reaction time.


Here we go:

1100/40=27.5 times faster.

Let's go high end, now:

1500/50 = 30 times faster.


So, we can say that Ozy is, at least, 27-30 times faster than a human.


But, that's not all of it.



The arrow, when caught in that super machine, took a tad bit to slow down, once caught. It traveled a short distance inside the hand while it closed all the way. The hand had to be timed properly to catch the arrow, which is superhuman, in and of itself.

On top of this, the bullet is MUCH smaller than an arrow. It is almost invisible to the human eye...unless you use tracer rounds at night or some shite.


There is not telling how much faster one would have to be to catch a bullet fired at almost muzzle velocity versus catching an arrow, at the same speed. His vision, alone, would have to be superhuman to see that.


Originally posted by Quincy
And you are A HUGE COPYCAT for copying my structure. You dingleberry.

Prolly. But......IT"S GOOD! sad

Lestov16
Justed wanted to bump this thread to say that if Ozy is fast enough to catch/dodge bullets, logically he can dodge anything below that speed. This is confirmed by him catching Comedian's thrown meat cleaver. I give him the better odds in the all out melee.

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