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While on lunch break, a stormtrooper plays with a puzzle box and unleashes Pinhead onboard the Star Destroyer Darth Vader is on.

Can the dark lord of the sith defeat this demon or will Pinhead skin him alive? Also, Pinhead does not have his Cenobites with him.

Pinhead melts all of Vader's metal bits with a thought; then hooks and corn-holes him. /the end

Originally posted by Robtard
Pinhead melts all of Vader's metal bits with a thought; then hooks and corn-holes him. /the end Bullshit. Pinhead only melted a tin cross. Vader can TK or tank all of Pinhead's chains, and dodge his explosion via looking power.

Stalemate, until Vader leaves his ship and traps Pinhead in a Force field(See what I did there?).

Questionable if that cross was made of tin, either way, tin is still a metal, Pinhead can melt metal with a thought, ergo, Vader the cyborg is ****ed.

Vader's never been shown to "TK" multiple objects. Anyhow, he'd have a hard time trying considering a substantial portion of his body was just melted away from him.

Vader gets raped by the supernatural, it's obvious to all except the silliest of Star Wars fanboys.

Pinhead " Time to play"

Vader "The Force is with you, Pinhead... But I know I die by your hands this day"

Originally posted by Robtard
Questionable if that cross was made of tin, either way, tin is still a metal, Pinhead can melt metal with a thought, ergo, Vader the cyborg is ****ed.

Vader's never been shown to "TK" multiple objects. Anyhow, he'd have a hard time trying considering a substantial portion of his body was just melted away from him.

Vader gets raped by the supernatural, it's obvious to all except the silliest of Star Wars fanboys. The various metals in the SWG are a helluva lot more dense than in our part of the universe. Vader's armor tanked a lightsaber strike and blaster bolts. A lightsaber would cause a lot more damage then a chain would. Ergo, Darth would just tank the chains. There's no reason to believe the chains are supernaturally resistent or strong. Also, Pinhead's melting power was limited to a small cross.

Darth Vader has TK'd the entire operating room when he first came into consciousness inside the suit. There's no reason to believe he couldn't do it again.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
The various metals in the SWG are a helluva lot more dense than in our part of the universe. Vader's armor tanked a lightsaber strike and blaster bolts. A lightsaber would cause a lot more damage then a chain would. Ergo, Darth would just tank the chains. There's no reason to believe the chains are supernaturally resistent or strong. Also, Pinhead's melting power was limited to a small cross.

Darth Vader has TK'd the entire operating room when he first came into consciousness inside the suit. There's no reason to believe he couldn't do it again.

Luke cut right through Vader's robotic hand.

But fair enough, Pinhead just melts Vader's face-mask and/or the control unit for his life-support on the front of his chest. Vader's going down from this.

Those chains and hooks are super-natural, son, as they manifest from nothingness, ie you can't buy them at Home Depot.

Vader shook the entire place, not multiple small objects with pinpoint precision at the same time. Either way, he'd be ****ed due to being melted in certain parts long before the chains came to hook him.

We're talking about a Force-user Vs a supernatural entity from Hell with powers that defy physics. Stop being a fanboy.

Pinhead is a divine being with divine powers.

Vader is a cyborg with a laser sword.

You do the calculations.

Originally posted by Robtard
Luke cut right through Vader's robotic hand.

But fair enough, Pinhead just melts Vader's face-mask and/or the control unit for his life-support on the front of his chest. Vader's going down from this.

Those chains and hooks are super-natural, son, as they manifest from nothingness, ie you can't buy them at Home Depot.

Vader shook the entire place, not multiple small objects with pinpoint precision at the same time. Either way, he'd be ****ed due to being melted in certain parts long before the chains came to hook him.

We're talking about a Froce-user Vs a supernatural entity from Hell with powers that defy physics. Stop being a fanboy.

Why would Pinhead even go for Vader's hands first? He usually rips apart people's torsos. And Vader's facemask has never been complicated by a lightsaber strike or anything similar. As far as we know, it's as durable as his chest plate. Also, Vader has superhuman reflexes and precognition. He could dodge every attempt at Pinny trying to melt him. And the Executor won't go down as easily as a run down church in Los Angeles, that's for sure.

The fact that Vader could shake the entire room just by waking up means that he has potentially great TK ability. Even when fighting his son who he went out of his way not to kill, he showed that he could throw lots of things towards Pinhead to distract him while Vader has time to solve the puzzle box.

Thirdly, there's a human man underneath Pinhead. He helped the girl Kirsty out when she appealed to the human inside him. Vader could do the same.

Originally posted by Robtard


Those chains and hooks are super-natural, son, as they manifest from nothingness, ie you can't buy them at Home Depot.




I love this, right here

Originally posted by Impediment
Pinhead is a divine being with divine powers.

Vader is a cyborg with a laser sword.

You do the calculations. He's not divine though, he was killed in the fourth movie.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
He's not divine though, he was killed in the fourth movie.


and Vader died in ep 6..

believe me I love Star Wars, but Vader loses here

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
He's not divine though, he was killed in the fourth movie.

Maybe so, but Pinhead is still, in fact a divine character.

Vader would die a lot easier, I imagine.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
and Vader died in ep 6..

believe me I love Star Wars, but Vader loses here I think he probably would too if Pinhead gets his comic book feats where he can freeze time, but he doesn't in this forum. In this scenario, all Vader has to do is close the puzzle box. His armor has tanked lightsaber strikes, which has proven to melt things more efficiently than Pinhead's melting ability.

Speaking of which, Pinhead doesn't attack anyone but those who open the box. He was seperated from the box in the third movie, where most of Pinhead's good feats come from, but he isn't in this scenario. So realistically, only the stormtrooper who solved the puzzle is in trouble here.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Why would Pinhead even go for Vader's hands first? He usually rips apart people's torsos. And Vader's facemask has never been complicated by a lightsaber strike or anything similar. As far as we know, it's as durable as his chest plate. Also, Vader has superhuman reflexes and precognition. He could dodge every attempt at Pinny trying to melt him. And the Executor won't go down as easily as a run down church in Los Angeles, that's for sure.

The fact that Vader could shake the entire room just by waking up means that he has potentially great TK ability. Even when fighting his son who he went out of his way not to kill, he showed that he could throw lots of things towards Pinhead to distract him while Vader has time to solve the puzzle box.

Thirdly, there's a human man underneath Pinhead. He helped the girl Kirsty out when she appealed to the human inside him. Vader could do the same.

I didn't say hands. Pinhead likely go for the most vulnerable spot first, as anyone would. Vader's life-support.

Vader's not going to dodge the mind-melt thing, lol. Unless you think Vader can jump out of the way of thoughts. You probably do.

So you think Vader will be able to attack Pinhead, fend off mental-attacks, supernatural chains and still be able to solve the puzzle box with his spare hand, all at the came time? You're a hopeless fanboy.

Hahaha, no.

Been a very long time since I've watch Hellraiser, so I looked up Pinhead's powers; Vader is more ****ed than I imagined.

"Described by Doug Bradley as stronger than Jason Voorhees and Michael Myers, Pinhead is an extremely powerful being, and as such, has several supernatural abilities. His preferred method of attack is by summoning hooks and chains to mutilate victims, often pulling said victims in several directions to tear them apart.These chains are subject to his total mental control and he may direct them at will. The chains may even change shape after having attached to a victim. Pinhead is highly resistant to damage and direct assault, being able to resist both gunshots and futuristic energy weapons. His magic is also used for creating objects out of thin air, teleporting, creating explosions at distances and deceiving opponents with illusions. Pinhead is also familiar with the Occult and magic, with an ability to read minds. He is capable of creating other cenobites from both living and dead victims."

Vader gets turned into one bad-ass Cenobite *****-boy.

Originally posted by Robtard
I didn't say hands. Pinhead likely go for the most vulnerable spot first, as anyone would. Vader's life-support.] And I'm saying that there's no proof that Pinhead's melting power hasn't melted anything more than a cross probably made out of tin.



Originally posted by Robtard Vader's not going to dodge the mind-melt thing, lol. Unless you think Vader can jump out of the way of thoughts. You probably do. No, but Vader has superhuman reflexes and precognition. There's nothing to suggest that he couldn't dodge Pinhead or put things in front of him while he has time to solve the box.

Originally posted by Robtard So you think Vader will be able to attack Pinhead, fend off mental-attacks, supernatural chains and still be able to solve the puzzle box with his spare hand, all at the came time? You're a hopeless fanboy. Show me the feats that show the chains being made of unbreakable material. Pinhead is only used to dealing with puny humans, and he was killed by one no less. A regular human is no match for a Jedi or Sith(Excepting Batman, Reed Richards, Iron Man and Dr Doom). Show me the feats of Pinhead mind ****ing someone above a street level person in a bar. And Vader would have all his Stormtroopers in this scenario, it's not a 1v1 scenario.

Originally posted by Robtard Hahaha, no. Yup.

Originally posted by Robtard
Been a very long time since I've watch Hellraiser, so I looked up Pinhead's powers; Vader is more ****ed than I imagined.

"Described by Doug Bradley as stronger than Jason Voorhees and Michael Myers, Pinhead is an extremely powerful being, and as such, has several supernatural abilities. His preferred method of attack is by summoning hooks and chains to mutilate victims, often pulling said victims in several directions to tear them apart.These chains are subject to his total mental control and he may direct them at will. The chains may even change shape after having attached to a victim. Pinhead is highly resistant to damage and direct assault, being able to resist both gunshots and futuristic energy weapons. His magic is also used for creating objects out of thin air, teleporting, creating explosions at distances and deceiving opponents with illusions. Pinhead is also familiar with the Occult and magic, with an ability to read minds. He is capable of creating other cenobites from both living and dead victims."

Vader gets turned into one bad-ass Cenobite *****-boy. The Force.

Originally posted by Robtard
Vader's never been shown to "TK" multiple objects.

Wow and I thought everyone knew the ending of Episode III. When Vader knew Padme died, his anger destroyed multiple medical droids while cuffed to an operating table.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Wow and I thought everyone knew the ending of Episode III. When Vader knew Padme died, his anger destroyed multiple medical droids while cuffed to an operating table.

You might have wanted to keep reading:

"Vader shook the entire place, not multiple small objects with pinpoint precision at the same time."

There's also the fact that he did this in a state of extreme duress over Padme dying. He's never done it elsewhere.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
The Force.

Can't do all you think it can.

This:

"Pinhead is highly resistant to damage and direct assault, being able to resist both gunshots and futuristic energy weapons. His magic is also used for creating objects out of thin air, teleporting, creating explosions at distances and deceiving opponents with illusions. Pinhead is also familiar with the Occult and magic, with an ability to read minds. He is capable of creating other cenobites from both living and dead victims."

Is greater than lifting/pushing a few objects and Force-choking.

Originally posted by Robtard
Can't do all you think it can.

This:

"Pinhead is highly resistant to damage and direct assault, being able to resist both gunshots and futuristic energy weapons. His magic is also used for creating objects out of thin air, teleporting, creating explosions at distances and deceiving opponents with illusions. Pinhead is also familiar with the Occult and magic, with an ability to read minds. He is capable of creating other cenobites from both living and dead victims."

Is greater than lifting/pushing a few objects and Force-choking.

The Force covers a lot more than that and you know it.

Pinhead was outwitted by a single human being and 20 person crew on a spaceship. Darth Vader is the second in command of a military of probably trillions of beings. As dumb as stormtroopers are, there's millions of them on Vader's ship alone. They would provide cannon fodder while Vader closes the puzzle box. Shouldn't be too hard for him since he's a tactical genius or close to it.

Originally posted by Robtard
You might have wanted to keep reading:

"Vader shook the entire place, not multiple small objects with pinpoint precision at the same time."

There's also the fact that he did this in a state of extreme duress over Padme dying. He's never done it elsewhere. He'd probably be pissed off at some demon trying to flay him.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
The Force covers a lot more than that and you know it.

Pinhead was outwitted by a single human being and 20 person crew on a spaceship. Darth Vader is the second in command of a miltary of probably trillions of beings. As dumb as stormtroopers are, there's millions of them on Vader's ship alone. They would provide cannon fodder while Vader closes the puzzle box. Shouldn't be too hard for him since he's a tactical genius or close to it.

Not in regards to Vader in the movies. I'm not discounting his personal Force-amped abilities either; they're just not netting him a win against Pinhead though.

Luckily for Pinhead, he can read minds and teleport anywhere he wishes, right in front of Vader, if need be.

Is Vader also a genius in the abstract? Because being able to plan a battle isn't going to help him piece the box together. Eepecially with Pinhead tearing him apart. Vader doesn't have the box either, as per the OP.

Edit: there also isn't "millions" of Stormtroopers onboard, looking online, the crew compliment is under 300k, this includes all personal. Pinhead would just tear through them though, or move on by, as he can take laser-fire without a problem.

Originally posted by Robtard
Can't do all you think it can.

This:

"Pinhead is highly resistant to damage and direct assault, being able to resist both gunshots and futuristic energy weapons. His magic is also used for creating objects out of thin air, teleporting, creating explosions at distances and deceiving opponents with illusions. Pinhead is also familiar with the Occult and magic, with an ability to read minds. He is capable of creating other cenobites from both living and dead victims."

Is greater than lifting/pushing a few objects and Force-choking. I stayed out of this thread long enough. This post pretty much sums it up.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not in regards to Vader in the movies. I'm not discounting his personal Force-amped abilities either; they're just not netting him a win against Pinhead though.

Luckily for Pinhead, he can read minds and teleport anywhere he wishes, right in front of Vader, if need be.

Is Vader also a genius in the abstract? Because being able to plan a battle isn't going to help him piece the box together. Eepecially with Pinhead tearing him apart.

Edit: there also isn't "millions" of Stormtroopers onboard, looking online, the crew compliment is under 300k, this includes all personal. Pinhead would just tear through them though, or move on by, as he can take laser-fire without a problem. Oh, I'm saying that it's a curbstomp for either involved. Pinhead would certainly get a few wins in if this was an "Out of 10" contest. He can teleport, but he has to know exactly where the place is, otherwise he could have just teleported onto Paul Merchant's ship(The guy in the fourth movie who beat Pinhead). Vader's enhanced reflexes and speed would certainly help, as would all the stormtroopers flanking Pinhead.

I doubt that Vader would just rush into battle, especially when he can also read people's minds and would know who Pinhead was. He also has precognition, and would know what was up before Pinhead had a chance to react.

Pinhead's TK is good, and is possibly equal to Vader's or superior, but we have never seen him dealing with multiple beings at the same time. The bar scene doesn't count because most of them were emo druggies or were just average people presumably not trained in any military tactics or tactics in general.

I see Hellraiser winning this but I bet if it was some Clash Of The Titans Galen Marek Starkiller Darth Revan Darth Malak jazz that Starkiller would somehow win .....gah sorry sorry just upset thinking about how that Starkiller fellow wins like every thread he's in T_T...

Anyway yes I can't see how poor Vader wins this with Hellraisers abilities ;x

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Oh, I'm saying that it's a curbstomp for either involved. Pinhead would certainly get a few wins in if this was an "Out of 10" contest. He can teleport, but he has to know exactly where the place is, otherwise he could have just teleported onto Paul Merchant's ship(The guy in the fourth movie who beat Pinhead). Vader's enhanced reflexes and speed would certainly help, as would all the stormtroopers flanking Pinhead.

I doubt that Vader would just rush into battle, especially when he can also read people's minds and would know who Pinhead was. He also has precognition, and would know what was up before Pinhead had a chance to react.

Pinhead's TK is good, and is possibly equal to Vader's or superior, but we have never seen him dealing with multiple beings at the same time. The bar scene doesn't count because most of them were emo druggies or were just average people presumably not trained in any military tactics or tactics in general.

Those Stormtroopers would be useless, as they can't hurt Pinhead. He can also turn them into Cenobites, if he so wishes.

Vader is slow as shit in the films, he's not this agile jungle-cat you imagine.

Vader can't read minds in the movies. He can sense the feelings of other Force-users. Pinhead isn't one, he isn't even technically alive.

Vader and the troopers have nothing on Pinhead, just accept it; it doesn't mean Star Wars sucks.

Originally posted by Robtard
Those Stormtroopers would be useless, as they can't hurt Pinhead. He can also turn them into Cenobites, if he so wishes.

Vader is slow as shit in the films, he's not this agile jungle-cat you imagine.

Vader can't read minds in the movies. He can sense the feelings of other Force-users. Pinhead isn't one, he isn't even technically alive.

Vader and the troopers have nothing on Pinhead, just accept it; it doesn't mean Star Wars sucks. The Stormtroopers aren't morons, they just can't shoot straight, perhaps due to Luke's Jedi abilities unconsciously mind screwing them. Pinhead would likely just melt their armor instead of taking the time to torture them with chains. Even if he did, he has TONS of Stormtroopers to go through before he's reaching Vader, who by that time may well have solved the puzzle box. And as I said, Pinhead was mindscrewed by Kirsty in the second film by appealing to his human side. Vader could do the same thing.

Vader was only slow because he wasn't trying to kill Luke. Anakin was moving at peak human/borderline superhuman speed. Vader would be slower, but still agile as all hell with his Jedi training.

Vader can sense peoples thoughts. He mind read Luke in ROTJ on the Death Star II.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
The Stormtroopers aren't morons, they just can't shoot straight, perhaps due to Luke's Jedi abilities unconsciously mind screwing them. Pinhead would likely just melt their armor instead of taking the time to torture them with chains. Even if he did, he has TONS of Stormtroopers to go through before he's reaching Vader, who by that time may well have solved the puzzle box. And as I said, Pinhead was mindscrewed by Kirsty in the second film by appealing to his human side. Vader could do the same thing.

Vader was only slow because he wasn't trying to kill Luke. Anakin was moving at peak human/borderline superhuman speed. Vader would be slower, but still agile as all hell with his Jedi training.

Vader can sense peoples thoughts. He mind read Luke in ROTJ on the Death Star II.

Dude, stop pulling nonsense out of your ass, Luke did no such thing. It's also not a matter of their aim, their guns won't hurt Pinhead to begin with, as per his powers.

Pinhead can create minions from the troopers, as they get weaker in numbers, he gets stronger. Though it doesn't matter, as per above, they can't hurt him to begin with.

Vader doesn't have the box, get that through your head.

No, Vader (in suit) is slow in the movies, he's a lumbering mass. Just accept this fact.

Pinhead isn't a person, so that's a double no. I'm pretty sure it was that homo-erotic sensing of feelings, from one Force-user to another, in ROTJ.

Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, stop pulling nonsense out of your ass, Luke did no such thing. It's also not a matter of their aim, their guns won't hurt Pinhead to begin with, as per his powers.

Pinhead can create minions from the troopers, as they get weaker in numbers, he gets stronger. Though it doesn't matter, as per above, they can't hurt him to begin with.

Pinhead can only create minions under certain conditions, he can't just wish them to turn in Cenobites. Most of them are just amped up zombies too. Nothing Vader can't handle with a strike of the lightsaber through the chest or the brain. This is assuming however that Pinhead turns them all into Cenobites, which he won't, because Vader is busy solving the puzzle box. Yes, Vader WILL have it. Do you think he will just leave it in the hands of a dead trooper for Pinhead to retrieve? That's PIS.



Originally posted by Robtard
No, Vader (in suit) is slow in the movies, he's a lumbering mass. Just accept this fact.

Pinhead isn't a person, so that's a double no. I'm pretty sure it was that homo-erotic sensing of feelings, from one Force-user to another, in ROTJ.

You don't know that. He was taking it easy on his son, which is a feat that doesn't count. Vader walked as briskly as a normal human being did, he's not some cliched unwieldy guy in a 12th century knight's suit. We can only count what was seen in the prequels since we have no feats to suggest what Vader is like in the OT. *

Who said that Jedi and Sith can only sense each other? That directly contradicts the movies.

* Just to note, Vader is superhumanly fast in the EU, even with the suit. Not that it counts here, I'm just letting you know.

Pinhead appears when the box is opened, so Pinhead is where the box is, ie VADER DOES NOT HAVE IT. If Vader wants to try and solve the puzzle, he has to get through Pinhead first; he's not doing that.

No, in that Luke-Vader fight, Vader was slow and unwieldy. Can't imagine it's easy to move in that stiff costume. He wasn't flipping about like Anakin in Ep 1-2.

Yes, I'm aware of EU Vader.

Originally posted by Robtard
Pinhead appears when the box is opened, so Pinhead is where the box is, ie VADER DOES NOT HAVE IT. If Vader wants to try and solve the puzzle, he has to get through Pinhead first; he's not doing that.



Yeah, Vader is screwed in this scenario unless he gets off the ship first. But this scenario was too boring.

necro bump

Pinhead still wins.

Haha, I remember this. To be honest, I wasn't being serious with my Vader fanboyism. Pinhead stomps.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Haha, I remember this. To be honest, I wasn't being serious with my Vader fanboyism. Pinhead stomps.

So you just did that to waste your own time?

Pinhead wins.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
So you just did that to waste your own time?

Pinhead wins.

I think I was trying to convince *myself* that Vader somehow had a shot, but I knew that realistically he wouldn't win. My SW fanboyism was strong at that time