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The entire Jedi Order is dropped off in Terminator: Salvation era. They meet up with the Resistance. Skynet ambushes them and kills every single Resistance member except for John, who before dying gives the Jedi information on Skynet.

Can the Jedi Order defeat Skynet?

The Jedi have access to comlinks, lightsabers, blasters and other technology that they typically use, but for the sake of balance not their starfighters.

Jedi win, easily. They foresee the raping and destroy skynet before it become sentient.

Pwned.

Good question. It wouldn't be the big con like Order 66, but without heavy weaponry I'm not seeing a victory by the Jedi.

Victorious,The Jedi are..

How so? Jedi do not believe in pre-emptive strikes like their Sith counterparts. Without a pre-emptive strike, then I don't see a Jedi victory.

very easy.. force push... lightsabers.. i find it very hard to believe that bullets will get past a lightaber..

The Jedi lose.

Jedi Stomp!

They avoid the masses and attack the sorces.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Jedi win, easily. They foresee the raping and destroy skynet before it become sentient.

Pwned. Word up my cracka.

skynet is stupid...,Jedi win

Skynet got pwned by a buncha humans.

The ENTIRE Jedi Order? Really?

They win quite convincingly.

http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/7640/890907spitejpgw300h209s.jpg

The Jedi win.

Wasn't the vast majority of the Jedi Order killed by Clones during Order 66?

Granted, Clones are bad-asses. But Skynet has a mass army of various killing machines. Seems they'd win by sheer numbers in the end.

Lighsabre isn't going to stop scrapnel, shotguns and as we've seen in AOTC, too many guns being fired, the Jedi start to drop.

Originally posted by Impediment
The Jedi win.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wasn't the vast majority of the Jedi Order killed by Clones during Order 66?

Granted, Clones are bad-asses. But Skynet has a mass army of various killing machines. Seems they'd win by sheer numbers in the end.

Lighsabre isn't going to stop scrapnel, shotguns and as we've seen in AOTC, too many guns being fired, the Jedi start to drop. The Robtard found a loophole.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wasn't the vast majority of the Jedi Order killed by Clones during Order 66?

Granted, Clones are bad-asses. But Skynet has a mass army of various killing machines. Seems they'd win by sheer numbers in the end.

Lighsabre isn't going to stop scrapnel, shotguns and as we've seen in AOTC, too many guns being fired, the Jedi start to drop.

Wait, wait, wait.............the Jedi don't get their Starfighters, but the Skynet bots have the airborne machinery/fighter jets, etc?

Originally posted by Impediment
Wait, wait, wait.............the Jedi don't get their Starfighters, but the Skynet bots have the airborne machinery/fighter jets, etc? Gimp?

Uh.....Hell-to-the-F*cking-Yeah?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The Robtard found a loophole.

Well, I'm not entirely convinced I'm right, yet.

Mace said something like "Jedi are peace keepers, we can't win the war." Telling me the Jedi pre EP:IV weren't all that many. So this is their main weakness, lack of numbers. Also, Terminators are spot-on aim, Droids don't.

Originally posted by Robtard
Well, I'm not entirely convinced I'm right, yet.

Mace said something like "Jedi are peace keepers, we can't win the war." Telling me the Jedi pre EP:IV weren't all that many. So this is their main weakness, lack of numbers. Also, Terminators are spot-on aim, Droids don't. Seems the OP is lacking in detail, yeah?

Originally posted by Impediment
Wait, wait, wait.............the Jedi don't get their Starfighters, but the Skynet bots have the airborne machinery/fighter jets, etc?

I'd assume so. If you give Jedi spacecraft, it's a pointless thread for no other purpose than to masturbate out an easy Star Wars win.

Which wouldn't surprise was the sole intention of this thread.

How do the Jedi contend with Hunter Killers?

Yeah...um...Nukes?

Originally posted by jaden101
Yeah...um...Nukes?

"The Force Solos"

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Seems the OP is lacking in detail, yeah?

Skynet is stupid and weak. The Jedi may be stupid as well but they still have enough power in their arsenal to take down the fragile terminator assembly line.

For me, it's hard to assess a fight involving the Jedi because they have some of the biggest on screen inconsistencies. However, if we look at their best on screen feats and capabilities, Skynet doesn't have a chance. Simply put, a tattered band of humans with very limited weaponry conquered, Skynet. If one human was able to take down a skynet base, i can't imagine what a squad of Jedi are capable of doing.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How do the Jedi contend with Hunter Killers?

I shouldn't have to tell you this, Rj...,The Jedi have lightsabers

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I shouldn't have to tell you this, Rj...,The Jedi have lightsabers


HK's can fly thousands of feet high, far out of reach of Jedi lightsabers.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Skynet is stupid and weak. The Jedi may be stupid as well but they still have enough power in their arsenal to take down the fragile terminator assembly line.


I don't consider them fragile by any measure.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Simply put, a tattered band of humans with very limited weaponry conquered, Skynet. If one human was able to take down a skynet base, i can't imagine what a squad of Jedi are capable of doing.

It wasn't just a "band of humans".

Sam Worthington was half machine giving him not only enhanced physical stats but more importantly allowed him to infiltrate the base freely, undetected (or Skynet allowed him back in, whatever the reason, he was unimpeded).

Christian Bale also has in depth knowledge of the skynet, including experiences from his mother (if you count Sarah Connor Chronicles, her experience and knowledge goes beyond just the two films). He had knowledge on the engineering of the Terminators, and also the potential of a Terminator's fuel cell as a nuclear weapon, which is the ONLY reason they were able to take down the base at the end.

Also, nobody conquered Skynet. They at best made a little dent, a victory completely insignificant if not for the rescue of Kyle Reese. Skynet is a global network, not something you can take down physically, unless if you destroy ALL of their bases around the world, and maybe every bit of electronic connected to the network, perhaps including satellites.

Jedi wouldn't stand a chance if not for the information given to them by John. And even with the information, I think they'll be able to survive and do hit and runs, but eventually they'll be located and bombed back to the stone age.

If Jedi actually starts to win the war (which would take years, heck I dunno if Jedi will even live long enough, they might have to make babies) Skynet will probably just say fck it and launch a nuke at their last known location.

The Jedi in the clone wars numbered in the ten thousands......

Not sure where that is said but if you do the math

100,000+ star systems in the galaxy

Almost, if not all are being fought in

Every clone army has a Jedi general, many times with a padawan

Originally posted by Pwned
The Jedi in the clone wars numbered in the ten thousands......

Not sure where that is said but if you do the math

100,000+ star systems in the galaxy

Almost, if not all are being fought in

Every clone army has a Jedi general, many times with a padawan

I had no idea it was that many, I can't really accept it until someone clarifies, it, but its still not enough. With that many they could take a base without too much difficulty, but against all of Skynet? Maybe. If they decided to bomb them, which they eventually will, then its just all the same.

Originally posted by Robtard
Well, I'm not entirely convinced I'm right, yet.

Mace said something like "Jedi are peace keepers, we can't win the war." Telling me the Jedi pre EP:IV weren't all that many. So this is their main weakness, lack of numbers. Also, Terminators are spot-on aim, Droids don't.

He said, "We are keepers of the peace, not soldier."

Which in a way is true, but they were effective leaders during the Clone Wars.

Absolutely certain he didn't say "we can't win this war for you", or something to that effect?

Either way, Skynet is global; that's a shit-load of machines.

The exact line was, "You must realize that there are not enough Jedi to protect the Republic. We are keepers of the peace, not soldiers," which was true, they couldn't protect an entire galaxy by themselves. That was before they were backed by a large army, of course. The situation here is much different. The ENTIRE Jedi Order are protecting a single planet, with enough forces behind them. The Jedi lead the human resistance to victory, and make it look easy.

Jedi.

With the exception of Superman and other invincible characters, I think the Jedi and their Force can destory just about every other fictional warrior. Lucas may not be the greatest writer, but he got the Jedi right.

In fact, the Sith Lords would have an easier time fighting robots, because they would just fry them with electricity.

Originally posted by Tron
The exact line was, "You must realize that there are not enough Jedi to protect the Republic. We are keepers of the peace, not soldiers," which was true, they couldn't protect an entire galaxy by themselves. That was before they were backed by a large army, of course. The situation here is much different. The ENTIRE Jedi Order are protecting a single planet, with enough forces behind them. The Jedi lead the human resistance to victory, and make it look easy.

OP stated that the resistance is killed, so it's jut the Jedi vs Skynet and its machines.

Just how many Jedi are there here?

they lost 200 hundred at geonosis and it barely dented their overall membership count. after geonosis they fought in a galactic war for four years, and after order 66 palpatine says that most likely "hundreds" of jedi escaped the temple with their lives.

so i dont know my guess would be that they number somewhere close to a thousand or so.

skynet stomps though. the average jedi knight wouldnt be a match for modern day police. a robotic army that uses advanced versions of realistic weaponry would stomp all over jedi.

Originally posted by Tron
The exact line was, "You must realize that there are not enough Jedi to protect the Republic. We are keepers of the peace, not soldiers,"

And the Emperor was probably thinking "That's exactly what I'm counting on."

Originally posted by AthenasTrgrFngr
they lost 200 hundred at geonosis and it barely dented their overall membership count. after geonosis they fought in a galactic war for four years, and after order 66 palpatine says that most likely "hundreds" of jedi escaped the temple with their lives.

so i dont know my guess would be that they number somewhere close to a thousand or so.


Well I just texted my son, and he told me that before the clone wars, there were around 10,000 Jedi knights.

Originally posted by AthenasTrgrFngr
the average jedi knight wouldnt be a match for modern day police.

Yes they would, more than a match even. A Jedi would completely dominate a pig with a nine-mil.

The po'leece would be nothing to the Jedi.

Is there a number from the movie, because there's a huge different between 1k and 10k.

Though I'm not certain 10k Jedi could defeat all of Skynet, which as pointed out earlier, is global and according to Kyle Reese in the fist film, pushed the human race almost into extinction.

Relly depends on what they have with them, just robes and sabres, no. War-machines could change the tide.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And the Emperor was probably thinking "That's exactly what I'm counting on."



Well I just texted my son, and he told me that before the clone wars, there were around 10,000 Jedi knights.



Yes they would, more than a match even. A Jedi would completely dominate a pig with a nine-mil.

The po'leece would be nothing to the Jedi.

wheres the source your son is getting this number from?

a pig with a 9 millimeter yeah. a pig with a shotgun? no, jedis going down.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
HK's can fly thousands of feet high, far out of reach of Jedi lightsabers.

Well, their hardly a threat when their thousands of feet away arent they?

Originally posted by Placidity
I don't consider them fragile by any measure.



It wasn't just a "band of humans".

Sam Worthington was half machine giving him not only enhanced physical stats but more importantly allowed him to infiltrate the base freely, undetected (or Skynet allowed him back in, whatever the reason, he was unimpeded).

Christian Bale also has in depth knowledge of the skynet, including experiences from his mother (if you count Sarah Connor Chronicles, her experience and knowledge goes beyond just the two films). He had knowledge on the engineering of the Terminators, and also the potential of a Terminator's fuel cell as a nuclear weapon, which is the ONLY reason they were able to take down the base at the end.

Also, nobody conquered Skynet. They at best made a little dent, a victory completely insignificant if not for the rescue of Kyle Reese. Skynet is a global network, not something you can take down physically, unless if you destroy ALL of their bases around the world, and maybe every bit of electronic connected to the network, perhaps including satellites.

Jedi wouldn't stand a chance if not for the information given to them by John. And even with the information, I think they'll be able to survive and do hit and runs, but eventually they'll be located and bombed back to the stone age.

If Jedi actually starts to win the war (which would take years, heck I dunno if Jedi will even live long enough, they might have to make babies) Skynet will probably just say fck it and launch a nuke at their last known location.


i don't know man, I think it's fair to say that they're fragile, especially in this scenario. If a simple homemade pipebomb can split a t-800 in half, what do you think a lightsaber is going to do?


Skynet was conquered twice, however, i'll over look that. I hate to shit on the Terminator franchise because other than the last two movies it's a stellar series. It wasn't until the last movie that, Skynet lost all intelligence and practicality. One of the biggest examples that shows how impractical and stupid Skynet are is their base in, Terminator Salvation. Go back and observe the Skynet base in that movie. It's nothing more than a fortified warehouse. Now...,go watch, The matrix and look at machine city and then tell me which one more resembles what a machine driven base should be. The Skynet warehouse in, Salvation was designed so that a small group of humans could easily infiltrate the base.

You know, after seeing, Salvation i learned that, Conner really doesn't know much more about the Terminators than any one else in the resistance. Other than shit they just made up for that movie, like, the Terminators have a hard time seeing, what is it, during the day or night? There really wasn't anything that he taught anyone. Shit, he wasn't even good at leading or rallying people. In fact, he put the resistance in more peril than they would have received had he never been there in the first place. Yeah, he may have known about the nuke but thats nothing the resistance wouldn't have figured out on their own by capturing and studying a model, themselves. I know im getting off track, but it really bugs me how much, Salvation butchered, Conners character and mythos. He did absolutely nothing.

Anyway, i digress. If a small band of poorly outfitted humans were able to hold off skynet for all of those decades why do you believe that an army of super-human jedi would be unable to tear through them like butter? The bots that the Jedi are used to fighting are faster and have shields. Again, had Conner had some special knowledge of the Terminators that the jedi needed in order to win, i might say, Skynet has a chance. However, what kind information does, conner have that would be more beneficial than, force run, force jump, force push and lightsaber throw? The fact of the matter is that the Jedi don't need to know anything that Conner knows nor did the human resistance.

Any Jedi Knight is going to be a better and more intelligent leader than, conner. No one needs Conner here. Just like Salvation showed us...,he is of no real importance. I'm just mad, dude. I still haven't gotten over all of the potential that, Salvation, squandered.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Well, their hardly a threat when their thousands of feet away arent they? Automatic gunfire and bombs, dude.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Automatic gunfire and bombs, dude.

I shouldn't have to remind you, RJ..,Jedi have all kinds of neat force powers

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I shouldn't have to remind you, RJ..,Jedi have all kinds of neat force powers OK, so how do the Jedi deal with thousands of HK's?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, so how do the Jedi deal with thousands of HK's?

Who says there are thousands? You're giving skynet far more credit for their intelligence and military tactics than i am. Yeah, Skynet may have cracked time travel and all but they obviously werent smart enough to realize that the Nuclear holocaust they initiated is what killed off the majority of the human population. I say this because had they realized this, they would have simply kept launching nukes until the entire human race was dead or until the Sun was blotted out.

However, even if their were thousands, they would just stay at bay until they got low enough or until they figured out how to get to them. They certainly have the abilities and prowess to do both.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Who says there are thousands? You're giving skynet far more credit for their intelligence and military tactics than i am. Yeah, Skynet may have cracked time travel and all but they obviously werent smart enough to realize that the Nuclear holocaust they initiated is what killed off the majority of the human population. I say this because had they realized this, they would have simply kept launching nukes until the entire human race was dead or until the Sun was blotted out.

However, even if their were thousands, they would just stay at bay until they got low enough or until they figured out how to get to them. They certainly have the abilities and prowess to do both. Well, Skynet had taken control of the planet, yeah? Makes sense that there would be thousands of HK's.

Han Solos.





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haermm

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well, Skynet had taken control of the planet, yeah? Makes sense that there would be thousands of HK's.


I don't know. I think they only started manufacturing the, Hk's and other war units to battle the remaining human presence after the world wide nuclear holocaust. If this is the case then they would only make as many as they felt were necessary to deal with the remaining human force, which might explain why we only ever saw one or two, Hk's at a time.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, so how do the Jedi deal with thousands of HK's?

Depends how good the Jedi are with the force

in the clone wars cartoon (Not the one thats on now) Yoda took out two Trade Federation landing ships.

Yeah, but that doesn't count here.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, but that doesn't count here.

It's canon...,it counts

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
It's canon...,it counts You talking about the Clone wars cartoon TV series, or the movie?

Series and its its canon.

TV series?

TV series Clone Wars doesn't count here, man. It's already been tried and Impediment shot it down.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
TV series Clone Wars doesn't count here, man. It's already been tried and Impediment shot it down.

The animated film counts, because its a movie.

Mota is correct.

Everything from the actual film of TCW is canon in here, however, the series is not since, obviously, they are not actual films.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
The animated film counts, because its a movie. Yeah, I already said that.