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Hit Girl versus McClane. Fight takes place in a fully lit, fully stocked super Wal-Mart at night. Hit Girl is in the back of Wal-Mart (loading area), McClane is in front of Wal-Mart (by the entrance.) They must find each other and kill. Both are 100% briefed on the other.

Hit Girl is armed with two Glock 9mm's. McClane is armed with two Beretta 9mm's. Each have infinite ammo. Each can use anything they can get their hands on as a weapon.


So........Discuss.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

So........Discuss.

Why don't use just tell us how Hit-Girl "pwns all" and I'll rip your argument a new *******? Probably best if you just get right to it, no?

Nah, you go first. This should be entertaining. Like watching Tourette's guy.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, you go first. This should be entertaining. Like watching Tourette's guy.

Na, you go first. This should be as disturbing/entertaining as watching To Catch a Predator. /pwnface

Pretty simple. Hit Girl is a bullet dodger. McClane aint hitting her with bullets. So much for the gun battle.

Melee? Well, Wal-Mart is stocked with all sorts of bladed items. Figure it out yet?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Figure it out yet?

McClane: Higher kill count. Tougher opponents. Stronger. Impossibly more durable. More resourceful. Smarter. Sexier.

Originally posted by Robtard
McClane: Higher kill count. Irrelevant.



None even close to the level of Hit Girl.


No doubt. McClane wins a fistfight between them.


No doubt. McClane wins a fistfight between them.


But he's not a bullet dodger.


Yes, I get it, he's who you want to win.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Irrelevant.

None even close to the level of Hit Girl.

No doubt. McClane wins a fistfight between them.

No doubt. McClane wins a fistfight between them.

But he's not a bullet dodger.

Yes, I get it, he's who you want to win.

Not irrelevant.

High-end military mercs > thugs, goons, druggies and hookers

McClane does

McClane does

Irrelevant, McClane doesn't have shit aim like said thugs, goons, druggies and hookers.

You disagree on both factors mentioned then?

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All bullshit aside, we all know that you are going to campaign for a HG win, John. So, what's to argue?

Originally posted by Robtard
Not irrelevant. She has one movie thus far, let's take McClane from DH1, where he killed 10.

None on the same level as Hit Girl.

This aint gonna be a fistfight, bro.

Er, the bullets she dodged were gonna hit her in the head as she was on a dead run. That's first rate aim. There were 10 men in that narrow hallway, all firing at her, and she was too fast and too good a bullet dodger.



Nope. See, most here in the MVF go by appearance. Who LOOKS the baddest, who LOOKS the coolest.

Imagine the following:

Harry Potter standing next to Anakin Skywalker

Hit Girl standing next to John McClane

Severus Snape standing next to Darth Sidious

Prince Nuada standing next to Blade

Edward Cullen standing next to Iron Man

20 Wizards standing next to 20 Jedi/Sith




Now, who looks the coolest? Who looks the baddest? Anakin, McClane, Sidious, Blade, Iron Man and the 20 Jedi/Sith. Most here cannot accept that the person standing next to them, despite looking frail, Emo, faggish or whatever, will rape the living hell out of them.



FYI: This has been concurred by at least half a dozen others whose names I will not mention.

Originally posted by Impediment
All bullshit aside, we all know that you are going to campaign for a HG win, John. So, what's to argue?

Originally posted by Impediment
All bullshit aside, we all know that you are going to campaign for a HG win, John. So, what's to argue? Prove McClane wins? Waiting on that. That's why I started the thread.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

Nope. See, most here in the MVF go by appearance. Who LOOKS the baddest, who LOOKS the coolest.

Imagine the following:

Harry Potter standing next to Anakin Skywalker

Hit Girl standing next to John McClane

Severus Snape standing next to Darth Sidious

Prince Nuada standing next to Blade

Edward Cullen standing next to Iron Man

20 Wizards standing next to 20 Jedi/Sith

Now, who looks the coolest? Who looks the baddest? Anakin, McClane, Sidious, Blade, Iron Man and the 20 Jedi/Sith. Most here cannot accept that the person standing next to them, despite looking frail, Emo, faggish or whatever, will rape the living hell out of them.

FYI: This has been concurred by at least half a dozen others whose names I will not mention.

So you think Hit-Girl is both smarter and sexier? LoL, gross, dude.

I don't think anyone (ok, maybe one or two) goes by "who looks cooler" or "who looks badder".

I smell epic butt-hurt, bro.

Originally posted by Robtard
I smell epic butt-hurt, bro.

I don't think anyone (ok, maybe one or two) goes by "who looks cooler." Nah, no butt hurt here.

Discuss the matchup.

"High-end military mercs > thugs, goons, druggies and hookers"

"None on the same level as Hit Girl."

So, what you're saying is that the kickboxing mafia boss who beat the shit out of HG would do the same to the mute, blade wielding biznitch from DH3?

Oh, lordy me.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, no butt hurt here.

Discuss the matchup.

Considering you're still bringing that old shit up...

McClane wouldn't shoot a little girl, he'd try to subdue and he'd likely end up dead, as she's lethal. McClane was gimped from the start. But you have your win, Hit-Girl.

Originally posted by Impediment
"High-end military mercs > thugs, goons, druggies and hookers"

"None on the same level as Hit Girl."

So, what you're saying is that the kickboxing mafia boss who beat the shit out of HG would do the same to the mute, blade wielding biznitch from DH3?

Oh, lordy me. No, Matt. I am saying that Hit Girl herself is on a totally different level than they are.

Originally posted by Robtard
Considering you're still bringing that old shit up...

McClane wouldn't shoot a little girl, he'd try to subdue and he'd likely end up dead, as she's lethal. McClane was gimped from the start. But you have your win, Hit-Girl. Actually someone challenged me to say it here.

Think outside the box. Mac wants to kill her, plain and simple. Let's say HG goes bad and Mac sees her as a rabid dog that must be put down.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Actually someone challenged me to say it here.

Think outside the box. Mac wants to kill her, plain and simple. Let's say HG goes bad and Mac sees her as a rabid dog that must be put down.

Want a cookie? But it's BS, as I said, you might find one or two that seriously base their argument on cooler/badder looks. Who's the retard challenging you to post retard statements?

Too late. You're the "morals" proponent in the MVF. McClane's morals net him a loss here, he wouldn't kill a KO'd Asian woman, he's not shooting a child, no matter how ridiculous she looks. Hit-Girl takes it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, Matt. I am saying that Hit Girl herself is on a totally different level than they are.

HG's training has never been revealed to be any near the level of European military mercs. Her cop dad trained her. Good as she is, she cannot be factually proven to be superior to any kind of DH merc.

Originally posted by Robtard
Want a cookie? But it's BS, as I said, you might find one or two that seriously base their sole argument on cooler/badder looks.

Too late. You're the "morals" proponent in the MVF. McClane's morals net him a loss here, he wouldn't kill a KO'd Asian woman, he's not shooting a child, no matter how ridiculous she looks. Hit-Girl takes it. Hit Girl takes it on skill alone. If Mac tries to outshoot her, she dodges and kills him.

If it goes melee weapons, she'll chuck two butcher knives in his chest.



However you slice it, she wins here. You're using the "McClane doesn't hurt women" angle because you realize this.

Originally posted by Impediment
HG's training has never been revealed to be any near the level of European military mercs. Her cop dad trained her. Good as she is, she cannot be factually proven to be superior to any kind of DH merc. haermm She's a bullet dodger, bro. Observe:

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Now, quote a Mac feat or DH merc feat that comes even close to what she did there.


You can't.



Hit Girl>>>>>>>>>>>>McClane.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

However you slice it, she wins here.

Because she looks cooler.

Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets....................................................this is all you have for HG, John?

Mac is in a freaking Wal-Mart store that sells high powered hunting rifles and hunting bow & arrows for long range shots, not to mention excessive cover for stealth which, by the way, he has shown to be as resourceful as Solid damn Snake with. Mac can maneuver in Wally World and do some sneaky G shit.

Originally posted by Robtard
Because she looks cooler. No, actually Mac looks cooler.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, actually Mac looks cooler.

McClane never wore a mask though; mask are cool.

Originally posted by Impediment
Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets....................................................this is all you have for HG, John?

Mac is in a freaking Wal-Mart store that sells high powered hunting rifles and hunting bow & arrows for long range shots, not to mention excessive cover for stealth which, by the way, he has shown to be as resourceful as Solid damn Snake with. Mac can maneuver and Wally World and do some sneaky G shit.

I'd imagine those massive Wal-Marts have extensive HVAC systems.

Originally posted by Impediment
Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets.Dodge bullets....................................................this is all you have for HG, John?

Mac is in a freaking Wal-Mart store with hunting rifles for long range shots, not to mention excessive cover for stealth which, by the way, he has shown to be as resourceful as Solid damn Snake with. Mac can maneuver and Wally World and do some sneaky G shit. That, and the incredible feats she showed in the vid Feats Mac cannot come close to replicating.


Not all Wal-Marts have firearms, duder.

Besides, that works both ways HG showed just as impressive stealth.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'd imagine those massive Wal-Marts have extensive HVAC systems. Mhm, they have really cool NVG and breaker boxes too.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Mhm, they have really cool NVG and breaker boxes too.

So this Wal-Mart doesn't sell common items like shotguns and hunting rifles, but it carries night-vision goggles? Let me guess, also carries a custom cable-knife and a kevlar-vest in child size? Maybe a glaive or two?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That, and the incredible feats she showed in the vid Feats Mac cannot come close to replicating.


Not all Wal-Marts have firearms, duder.

Besides, that works both ways HG showed just as impressive stealth.


all the walmarts here in los angeles do

So, alluva sudden, this is not a Super Center Wal-Mart that doesn't sell rifles/bow & arrows? Nice.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Both are 100% briefed on the other.

HG knows that Mac will use stealth, but will that impede the fact that Mac is, in fact going to use stealth? Mac knows that HG is a bullet dodger so he is going to do the smart thing and STAY THE F*CK AWAY FROM HG! HG has no stealth abilities!

Originally posted by Robtard
So this Wal-Mart doesn't sell common items like shotguns and hunting rifles, but it carries night-vision goggles? Mhm. Some carry rifles, some don't. The one I shop at does not. NVG are commonly used in hunting by inbred rednecks.

Originally posted by Impediment
So, alluva sudden, this is not a Super Center Wal-Mart that doesn't sell rifles/bow & arrows? Nice.



HG knows that Mac will use stealth, but will that impede the fact that Mac is, in fact going to use stealth? Mac knows that HG is a bullet dodger so he is going to do the smart thing and STAY THE F*CK AWAY FROM HG! HG has no stealth abilities!


If it pleases you, this Wal Mart has it all. Happy? Having said that, Mac never showed any long range shooting ability. There, nipped that in the butt.

HG has no stealth abilities? You need to watch Kick Ass.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Mhm. Some carry rifles, some don't. The one I shop at does not. NVG are commonly used in hunting by inbred rednecks.

Oh, come on, John. What Houston area Wally World isn't going to be a Super Center? Even my little Huntsville Wal-Mart store is a Super.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If it pleases you, this Wal Mart has it all. Happy? Having said that, Mac never showed any long range shooting ability. There, nipped that in the butt.

HG has no stealth abilities? You need to watch Kick Ass.

Please stop. I can't take any more laughter. My sides are splitting.

I suppose you forgot the shot he made in DH3 to the power lines with a snub nose .38 revolver? No long range, my patootie.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If it pleases you, this Wal Mart has it all. Happy? Having said that, Mac never showed any long range shooting ability. There, nipped that in the butt.

HG has no stealth abilities? You need to watch Kick Ass.

Rifle+Scope. Boom, head-shot.

Which stealth scenes you talking about? The Night-Vision doesn't count as stealth.

Originally posted by Impediment
Oh, come on, John. What Houston area Wally World isn't going to be a Super Center? Even my little Huntsville Wal-Mart store is a Super. Not sure what you're getting at. This Wal Mart in this thread has it all, for arguments sake. Rifles, Shotguns, NVG, tampons, beer, cheetohs, the works.

BTW, I've seen Kick Ass. It was pretty damn awful. I mean, even for a comic book flick originally by Mark Millar, it was bad. Especially with Nic f*cking Cage. The comic was light years better.

Originally posted by Impediment
BTW, I've seen Kick Ass. It was pretty damn awful. I mean, even for a comic book flick originally by Mark Millar, it was bad. Especially with Nic f*cking Cage. The comic was light years better. Yeah, well, not familiar with the comic. Liked the movie though.

Originally posted by Robtard
Rifle+Scope. Boom, head-shot.

Which stealth scenes you talking about? The Night-Vision doesn't count as stealth. Works both ways, dude.


When she snuck into Razul's crib, they didn't even know she was there.

The NVG scene counts, she snuck in then killed the lights.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Works both ways, dude.


When she snuck into Razul's crib, they didn't even know she was there.

The NVG scene counts, she snuck in then killed the lights.

She's not gonna kill all of the lights in a Wally World store, bro.

Originally posted by Impediment
She's not gonna kill all of the lights in a Wally World store, bro. How you figure that? You an electrician all of a sudden?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How you figure that? You an electrician all of a sudden?

Funny you should mention that. I'm the warehouse manager for a decently sized electric supply corporation in the Gulf area, and I do know my fair share of electric knowledge.

Still, dude, it's a freaking Wal-Mart. How is she gonna shoot out all of the lights in a massive area, or know how to disable the main breaker panel?

Originally posted by Impediment
Funny you should mention that. I'm the warehouse manager for a decently sized electric supply corporation in the Gulf area, and I do know my fair share of electric knowledge.

Still, dude, it's a freaking Wal-Mart. How is she gonna shoot out all of the lights in a massive area, or know how to disable the main breaker panel? Probably the latter. It's likely what she did in the Kick Ass NVG scene.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Probably the latter. It's likely what she did in the Kick Ass NVG scene.

Okay. If she disrupts the main panel breaker, she still has to navigate her way, in the total dark, to the sporting goods area to where the NV is. She's handicapping herself. Mac would already be Snaking his way to the guns, easy peezy.

its really no use arguing with RJ about this

he thinks she can beat blade for gods sake

Originally posted by Impediment
Okay. If she disrupts the main panel breaker, she still has to navigate her way, in the total dark, to the sporting goods area to where the NV is. She's handicapping herself. Mac would already be Snaking his way to the guns, easy peezy. Not if she acquires the NVG first

Mac has no long range shooting abilities, bro. AND the sporting goods section is always closer to the rear of the store.

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
its really no use arguing with RJ about this

he thinks she can beat blade for gods sake Sup SweetTooth?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Not if she acquires the NVG first

Mac has no long range shooting abilities, bro. AND the sporting goods section is always closer to the rear of the store.

I already disputed your anti-long range shooting claims, RJ.

So, you're an architect for Wal-Mart now? You know each and every lay out of every store?

Originally posted by Impediment
I already disputed your anti-long range shooting claims, RJ.

So, you're an architect for Wal-Mart now? You know each and every lay out of every store?

No, you haven't. Screen feats. When did Mac show any long range shooting feats? He didn't. Next question.


Let me revise: The ones I have been to.

Originally posted by Impediment
I suppose you forgot the shot he made in DH3 to the power lines with a snub nose .38 revolver? No long range, my patootie.

Please explain how this is not a long range shot.

Originally posted by Impediment
Please stop. I can't take any more laughter. My sides are splitting.

I suppose you forgot the shot he made in DH3 to the power lines with a snub nose .38 revolver? No long range, my patootie. Ahahahaha that feat was crushed a while back. He didn't shoot the line, he shot the relay box, with two shots.


Let me revise: Mac never showed any long range RIFLE shooting abilities. Better?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Works both ways, dude.


When she snuck into Razul's crib, they didn't even know she was there.

The NVG scene counts, she snuck in then killed the lights.

I'd like to see someone of Hit Girl's stature and physical strength-level try and hold, aim and fire a shot-gun or hunting-rifle.

Doesn't count. She went up a fire escape and through an open window. Everyone in the room was focused on Kick-Ass about to get his ass torn.

Doesn't count. Everyone was focusing on Kick Ass and Big Daddy. Not to mention, they thought she was dead.

Originally posted by Impediment
Please explain how this is not a long range shot. Just did. Shall I post a vid?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Oh SHIT you're right!!! FF to 2:11. TWO shots, and he didn't hit the line itself!!!

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AND you can see that he is only about 25-30 feet away, not long range.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Ahahahaha that feat was crushed a while back. He didn't shoot the line, he shot the relay box, with two shots.


Let me revise: Mac never showed any long range RIFLE shooting abilities. Better?

So....................to you, shooting a relay box/power coupling from well over 50+ yards with a snub nose pistol isn't a long range shooting feat?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi


Lol, are you blind? Give me a minute

Exhinit A) We see the camera specifically focus on McClane's intented target, a few thin cables.

http://img826.imageshack.us/i/dh31.png

Exhibit B) After a few shots, there's an electrical flash

http://img219.imageshack.us/i/dh320.png/

Ehibit C) We see he the area first shown (exhibit A)

http://img689.imageshack.us/i/dh32.png/

Conclusion: McClane hit the cables he was aiming for. It's a great ****ing shot; especially with a snubnose. Note the time on each frame, all are 2:13.

Let the downplaying of McClane commence, it's typical.

Originally posted by Impediment
So....................to you, shooting a relay box/power coupling from well over 50+ yards with a snub nose pistol isn't a long range shooting feat? It was only 25-30 feet, dude. Not 50 yards.


Take your minute, Rob. Take an hour. McClane shot the relay box with two shots from 25-30 feet away.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It was only 25-30 feet, dude. Not 50 yards.

Perspective is all in the eye of the beholder, home slice. Prove me wrong.

On a more cheerful note, I've missed doing this with you, RJ. You're an unrelenting shit, but that's why I like debating with you.

Originally posted by Impediment
Perspective is all in the eye of the beholder, home slice. Prove me wrong. Here's the puddin'.

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv341/jedibeastie2/lulz.jpg


NOT 50 yards, not even close.

Originally posted by Impediment
On a more cheerful note, I've missed doing this with you, RJ. You're an unrelenting shit, but that's why I like debating with you. Says the man who believes Riggs would Beat McClane.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Says the man who believes Riggs would Beat McClane.

Me and 12 other people, biznitch.

Originally posted by Impediment
Me and 12 other people, biznitch. Including myself. Yet you never refer to Robtard as an unrelenting shit when he chose McClane.


I feel special.

Originally posted by Robtard
Lol, are you blind? Give me a minute

Exhinit A) We see the camera specifically focus on McClane's intented target, a few thin cables.

http://img826.imageshack.us/i/dh31.png

Exhibit B) After a few shots, there's an electrical flash

http://img219.imageshack.us/i/dh320.png/

Ehibit C) We see he the area first shown (exhibit A)

http://img689.imageshack.us/i/dh32.png/

Conclusion: McClane hit the cables he was aiming for. It's a great ****ing shot; especially with a snubnose. Note the time on each frame, all are 2:13.

Let the downplaying of McClane commence, it's typical.

Oi, blind man.

This is McClane we are talking about, in a scenario situation, of sorts. In a straight gun fight in an open-in closed space like an arena or some such. He might go down to Hit Girl, but in a scenario such as this. If he knows he can't win head on on, he'll lock him self in a safe and blow the place with a crude explosive and ride out the blast like Doctor Jones in a fridge.

John McClane wins this, hands down.

going with Big Daddy's daughter.

Fail.


Yes, Mac's intention was to shoot loose the cables. Observe:

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv341/jedibeastie2/lulzz.jpg

The cables are clearly shown attached to a relay box. Mac let's loose TWO shots from about 30 feet away, and:

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv341/jedibeastie2/shit22.jpg


The relay box explodes, and the cable falls.


He did NOT shoot the cable. Now, you wanna see uber marksmanship? FF to :40


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Hit Girl reloads, caps a guy to her left. Then she looks right and sees another about 20 feet away. Between he and she are a buncha fallen metal girders. She raises her weapon and fires. The bullet strikes the man and kills him. She shot through a space of a few inches at a target that was running sideways and hit it dead center.


THAT'S uber marksmanship.

Originally posted by marwash22
going with Big Daddy's daughter. Reported.



Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
John McClane wins this, hands down. Not in a million years, bro. Hit Girl is faster, mote agile, is a better shot, a bullet dodger and has feats that resemble Agent Zero.


Mac ends up face down.

More uber marksmanship:

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Riggs makes a smily face on the paper target form about FIFTY yards away.


Just sayin'

K, this thread went on for four pages already.


I don't want to buy the Blu-Ray, but if someone can point me to a high definition free version of Kickass, I'll calculate the speed of the bullets that Hit Girl dodged. My estimations are that those bullets are much slower than real bullets and Hit Girls dodging feats are similar to dodging blaster bolts.


My visual estimate of those bullets is around 100 Mph.




I will spend a massive hour measuring and calculating out the speed...I just need a high definition video to review. I don't feel like searching the shit out of the net and I'm DEFINITELY not going to buy the Blu-Ray.

haermm I could do the same thing for the dog scene in Equilibrium.


Bullets travel fast, dude. In all movies. They travel the same speed in Die Hard, In Lethal Weapon, and in Kickass.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
haermm I could do the same thing for the dog scene in Equilibrium.


Bullets travel fast, dude. In all movies. They travel the same speed in Die Hard, In Lethal Weapon, and in Kickass.

No they don't.

Some movies, they travel really fast. Other movies they travel really slow.

Hitgirl for the win!

Hit Girl is faster, more agile and better trained than McClane. Who they have beaten is irrelevant. It is how they did it. Hit Girl has simply showed more competence for one-on-one encounters than John, who often has gotten away thanks to luck or the environment.

So I say Hit Girl

huh?

can someone point me in the direction of a screenplay where it's explicitly written that "these bullets are going slower than standard bullets"

Originally posted by dadudemon
No they don't.

Some movies, they travel really fast. Other movies they travel really slow.


In movies that are based here on Earth, in modern times with modern weaponry (Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Kick Ass, Desperado, etc), bullets travel as fast as they do in real life. They do not travel 1150 fps in one movie, then 250 fps in another.

In real life, 9mm bullets travel between 1000 and 1500 fps. Therefore in this matchup, they travel just as fast.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Fail.


Yes, Mac's intention was to shoot loose the cables. Observe:

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv341/jedibeastie2/lulzz.jpg

The cables are clearly shown attached to a relay box. Mac let's loose TWO shots from about 30 feet away, and:

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv341/jedibeastie2/shit22.jpg


The relay box explodes, and the cable falls.


He did NOT shoot the cable.

You're right about the box.

The box is small, look at that pic in comparison to the wires. It's not much of a target.

You're insane about the "30 feet" away, look how tall that sign is and look how small McClane looks in the shot. He's MUCH further away than just 30-odd feet, which is nothing.

It's a kick-ass (get it?) shot, especially with a snubnose. Deal with it, MR. Idownplaymcclaneateverychance

Originally posted by dadudemon
K, this thread went on for four pages already.


I don't want to buy the Blu-Ray, but if someone can point me to a high definition free version of Kickass, I'll calculate the speed of the bullets that Hit Girl dodged. My estimations are that those bullets are much slower than real bullets and Hit Girls dodging feats are similar to dodging blaster bolts.


My visual estimate of those bullets is around 100 Mph.




I will spend a massive hour measuring and calculating out the speed...I just need a high definition video to review. I don't feel like searching the shit out of the net and I'm DEFINITELY not going to buy the Blu-Ray.

The move was impressive, but the camera cuts, it's as she moved her head before the gunman fired and it's not really dodging a bullet, just staying clear of the gun's path.

I'd post the clip on youtube, but I'm lazy.

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@ 1:32

not really. she moves her head after the bullet is shot. Also, note the range.

lol. Mcclane dies... hard.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're right about the box.

The box is small, look at that pic in comparison to the wires. It's not much of a target.

You're insane about the "30 feet" away, look how tall that sign is and look how small McClane looks in the shot. He's MUCH further away than just 30-odd feet, which is nothing.

It's a kick-ass (get it?) shot, especially with a snubnose. Deal with it, MR. Idownplaymcclaneateverychance It's a good shot, that's all. Given all the time in the world to aim as he did, I can make the same shot.

Originally posted by marwash22
gyBSOj-ALQQ

@ 1:32

not really. she moves her head after the bullet is shot. Also, note the range.

lol. Mcclane dies... hard. Mhm, point blank, THREE bullets.

http://couchfiresports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/chris_hansen.jpg

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv341/jedibeastie2/ellisrr-3.jpg

The hell would I be mad? I was wrong about the wires, but the box is only a slightly bigger target and the shot is still dope and shows McClane's aim. Point stands.

Get yourself a ruler and see how long 30feet is, cos you've got no idea.

The box is hella big compared to the wires, it's not even close.


30ish. Just saying it's not 50 yards, not even close. I can make that shot, if given all the time in the world to aim as Mac had.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The box is hella big compared to the wires, it's not even close.


30ish. Just saying it's not 50 yards, not even close. I can make that shot, if given all the time in the world to aim as Mac had.

Yeah, no. Compare the wires to the box, it's a small power-box.

No, not 30ish either. It's a tall sign on a building and the target happened to be on the very top of the sigh. So it's the building's height + the sign's height.

Utility poles average 45 feet, so going by that measure and if McClane was directly under it, it's be about 45 feet. But he wasn't, we was also far away, as we see how small he looks in relation to the power-box. Shot is probably closer to 150feet (50yards) than it is 30feet. Could be more.

McClane made the shot in about 2 seconds, look at the time-frame of the stills. But of course you could make that shot.

Do keep down-playing McClane, it's a staple of yours; it's funny.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, no. Compare the wires to the box, it's a small power-box.

No, not 30ish either. It's a tall sign on a building and the target happened to be on the very top of the sigh. So it's the building's height + the sign's height.

Utility poles average 45 feet, so going by that measure and if McClane was directly under it, it's be about 45 feet. But he wasn't, we was also far away, as we see how small he looks in relation to the power-box. Shot is probably closer to 150feet (50yards) than it is 30feet. Could be more.

McClane made the shot in about 2 seconds, look at the time-frame of the stills. But of course you could make that shot.

Do keep down-playing McClane, it's a staple of yours; it's funny. crylaugh @ 150 feet per second haermm


You're just pissed because McClane's one outstanding marksmanship feat has been crushed. 30 feet, 50 feet, 150 feet, won't matter. Hit Girl will dodge his bullets and put two in his ticker, one in his computer.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
crylaugh @ 150 feet per second haermm


You're just pissed because McClane's one outstanding marksmanship feat has been crushed. 30 feet, 50 feet, 150 feet, won't matter. Hit Girl will dodge his bullets and put two in his ticker, one in his computer.

Say what?

How has it been "crushed" when you're blatantly wrong in trying to downplay into something you could easily do? You're wrong about McClane yet again, accept it. I at least has the rubies to admit I was wrong about the wires being hit.

Originally posted by Robtard
Say what?

How has it been "crushed" when you're blatantly wrong in trying to downplay into something you could easily do? You're wrong about McClane yet again, accept it. I at least has the rubies to admit I was wrong about the wires being hit. And again I ask what difference does it make? Hit Girl dodged rapid fire bullets and shotgun blasts from 5-10 feet away from 8-9 shooters. The ones she dodged were literally aimed at her head. They literally were shown passing by where she dodged from. No matter good ones aim is, she dodges.

And for the long range shit, again, what difference does it make? When did McClane show any skills with a scoped rifle? He didn't. And if he tries shooting her from 50 yards away, she'll lulz wtf dodge and take his head off.

You just have to accept that someone is actually better than your precious McClane.


gyBSOj-ALQQ


ACCEPT IT.


/thread.

That's not the issue at hand, dude. The issue at hand is what McClane did and your persistent downplaying of the character.

A lot of characters are better than my precious; I'm not the one with the history of taking impregnable fanboy-stances in here on their favorites though, now am I, pumpkin.

Already said Hit-Girl wins this spite thread pages ago. So not sure why you're chattering to me about Hit-Girl winning.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's not the issue at hand, dude. The issue at hand is what McClane did and your persistent downplaying of the character.

The box is a helluva lot bigger than the thin ass wires.

The distance is not 50 yards, not even close.

Indo debate.



Neither am I. When I take a stance here, I truly believe the side I choose wins.

Think before you speak, Champ.

You said she wins because Mac wouldn't fight her. You never, not once, admitted that she wins because she's better than Mac.


You're just mad because Hit Girl is better. What happened to this?

Originally posted by Robtard
Why don't use just tell us how Hit-Girl "pwns all" and I'll rip your argument a new *******? Probably best if you just get right to it, no?

Now remember, Rob, it's all in good fun. Your words, babe.

Originally posted by marwash22
huh?

can someone point me in the direction of a screenplay where it's explicitly written that "these bullets are going slower than standard bullets"

That's completely irrelevant as we get to see the bullet streak across the screen. No matter how much you protest or think of ways to get out of a "de-powering" of you idea on Hit Girl, you cannot use anything outside of onscreen feats: what we see is what we get. If she dodged a ballistc traveling at 100fps, she dodged a ballistic traveling at 100fps. There is no other interpretation other than a direct one.


It's the same as a blaster bolt: blaster bolts have a range of a little less than 60Mph all the way up to 2 or 3 Km/s. Generally, we accept the "pistol" or medium rifle versions which range between 150-300 Mph.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
In movies that are based here on Earth, in modern times with modern weaponry (Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Kick Ass, Desperado, etc), bullets travel as fast as they do in real life. They do not travel 1150 fps in one movie, then 250 fps in another.

In real life, 9mm bullets travel between 1000 and 1500 fps. Therefore in this matchup, they travel just as fast.

All of that is irrelevent to what is actually seen onscreen. If the bullet traveled at 100mph, it traveled at 100 mph. Movie-screen feats only in the MVF. And, yes, they do travel at different speeds in different movies. The bullet Wesley Gibson fired at the very end was an extremely high velocity round: much higher than what we have, now...during the sequences that are slowed down, everything seems stopped while the bullet is moving.


No matter how much your protest and complain, you will have to deal with the facts of the film.

If you weren't so worried about her feat being trivialized by really slow bullets, it wouldn't matter. You know my estimations are in the ballpark and you can't stand the fact that Hit Girl is going to be made less awesome than you think she is. If you don't think something like a frame by frame comparison can't be done...then just take a look at the frame by frames done to calculate blaster bolt speed: you seemed rather happy to have those admitted to threads as evidence when it suited your side against the Star Wars peeps. You cannot pick and choose which on-screen actions you will accept and which ones you will not.


Originally posted by Robtard
You're right about the box.

The box is small, look at that pic in comparison to the wires. It's not much of a target.

You're insane about the "30 feet" away, look how tall that sign is and look how small McClane looks in the shot. He's MUCH further away than just 30-odd feet, which is nothing.

It's a kick-ass (get it?) shot, especially with a snubnose. Deal with it, MR. Idownplaymcclaneateverychance

I say 30-40 feet is about right. Other than that, I agree with the rest.

McClane has no problem knocking out chicks and driving cars up their ass as they fall down elevator shafts.

He pushes over a rack of shoes on HG and then beats her to death with a size 9 flip flop.

Originally posted by Johnny Demonic
McClane has no problem knocking out chicks and driving cars up their ass as they fall down elevator shafts.

He pushes over a rack of shoes on HG and then beats her to death with a size 9 flip flop. Or, you know, not haermm

But yeah, in a straight up fistfight he wins.


This'll be a shootout, plain and simple. McClane can't compete with Hit Girl in a shootout. It's like pitting a sheep against a wolf.

yea, HG has skill, but she got her ass handed to her by a thug boss and it took someone else to save her.

JM beat everyone himself.

After McClane defeats HG, and yes, he does defeat her, in like seconds, he drags her corpse around walmart with a riding lawn mower.

So now that that's settled, let's add a twist:

Same scenario. McClane at one end of Wal Mart. Hit Girl at the other. They are unarmed. There are no firearms in this Wal Mart. Both know the layout. Both have 20 minutes to prep for battle, 20 minutes to find weapons, make weapons out of multiple items, yada yada yada.

After the 20 minutes prep, they must hunt each other down and kill.

Originally posted by Johnny Demonic
yea, HG has skill, but she got her ass handed to her by a thug boss and it took someone else to save her.

JM beat everyone himself.

After McClane defeats HG, and yes, he does defeat her, in like seconds, he drags her corpse around walmart with a riding lawn mower.


She fought dude h2h. I already said if she fights McClane straight up h2h she loses. Besides, she fought foolishly and foolhardy against that guy. AND he was a martial artist. She underestimated him and almost paid the price. Here, she knows all there is to know about Mac, including his iron jaw.

She wins the gun battle, dude, every argument for McClane in a gun battle has been defeated.

Okay, I may not even have to do the video eval, Robtard may be right about her dodging before the bullet even streaks across the screen:

See the attached video screenshot: she is already completely out of the way by the time the bullet streak enters the frame on the far left. She's dodging where the guy is aiming, not the actual bullets.

Still, the video quality is SHIIIIIIIT! I want better video quality so I can do a frame by frame.

McClane still trumps her by improvising a explosive device from various items at walmart. Then puts the remains of her that he can find into a Bratz box.

Originally posted by Johnny Demonic
McClane still trumps her by improvising a explosive device from various items at walmart. Then puts the remains of her that he can find into a Bratz box.


Wait...McClane is not MacGyver. He isn't an explosives chemist, either. He grabs existing explosives: of which, Wal-mart does not have.


(Unless you count a charged C02 container as an explosive.)

Its threads like this that prove that RJ has a cheat mode for "Infinite rectal pain" activated.... So, so sad.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Its threads like this that prove that RJ has a cheat mode for "Infinite rectal pain" activated.... So, so sad.

Infinite pain, eh? That's some Christ level durability, there.

But Jesus was alleged to have died and then been reanimated like in that movie and then reactivated.

(Its a phenomena that occurs in Romero movies a lot)

Maybe if they'd taken out Jesus' head and brainstem with a shotgun, it might have worked.

I think thats why crucifixtion alone is never shown as being an effective stopper of other zombies.

I don't get where you guys get the idea that he'd lose against Hit-Girl H2H. John McClane was LOSING those fights He got lucky because of scenery and because the guys he fight are often taking their good sweet time with him. Opportunities are bound to come then.

There's more luck than skill to John McClane, skillful as he may be. He's alive because of luck and arrogant enemies

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth


But Jesus was alleged to have died and then been reanimated like in that movie and then reactivated.

(Its a phenomena that occurs in Romero movies a lot)

Maybe if they'd taken out Jesus' head and brainstem with a shotgun, it might have worked.

I think thats why crucifixtion alone is never shown as being an effective stopper of other zombies.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Okay, I may not even have to do the video eval, Robtard may be right about her dodging before the bullet even streaks across the screen:

See the attached video screenshot: she is already completely out of the way by the time the bullet streak enters the frame on the far left. She's dodging where the guy is aiming, not the actual bullets.

Still, the video quality is SHIIIIIIIT! I want better video quality so I can do a frame by frame.

Exactly, what Twiddle-gay and Twiddle-gayer won't accept is that the camera cuts very quickly, her head is moved before the gunmen fires. As I said, it's still impressive, but she's not dodging bullets ala Agent Smith.

But HG fangirlism > all.

Originally posted by Pinkie Pie
I don't get where you guys get the idea that he'd lose against Hit-Girl H2H. John McClane was LOSING those fights He got lucky because of scenery and because the guys he fight are often taking their good sweet time with him. Opportunities are bound to come then.

There's more luck than skill to John McClane, skillful as he may be. He's alive because of luck and arrogant enemies

Because she would.

Wrong. Luck is a factor, but skill and resourcefulness are his meat-n-potatoes. Luck is like a garnish.

Without luck, he wouldn't have made it through the first movie. Let alone all four. Sure he's skilled and resourceful, but he's been defeated so many times it's no longer a coincidence. Every time someone is about to take him out, some object or setting make appearance in his advantage and he turn it around

What differ Hit-Girl from the rest of the thugs he's fought is that she goes for the kill asap. The thugs he fought prolong it to the point where he take advantage of the surroundings.

Some of 'em go right for the kill, and still go home dead.

None of those who matter. Most of the guys people use as example to speak in favor of John could've killed him early on :P They prolonged though and ended up dead. Because of his resourcefulness, I'm not denying that

Originally posted by Pinkie Pie
Without luck, he wouldn't have made it through the first movie. Let alone all four. Sure he's skilled and resourceful, but he's been defeated so many times it's no longer a coincidence. Every time someone is about to take him out, some object or setting make appearance in his advantage and he turn it around

What differ Hit-Girl from the rest of the thugs he's fought is that she goes for the kill asap. The thugs he fought prolong it to the point where he take advantage of the surroundings.

At times yes, eg DH4 and the falling action figure which sets off the explosion is pure luck; that's one of McClane's traits. He also is as noted skilled and extremely resourceful and everything isn't luck-based; not even close.

WHAT THE ****? There's plenty and plenty of fights where the "thugs" (they're not really thugs, McClane fights skilled men mostly, unlike Hit-Girl) are going for the fast kill and not ****ing around.

But if it makes you feel better, McLuck would pull him through here as well, Hit-Girl tries to put a bullet in his bald dome, but she'd slip on some dish-soap which happened to spill during the fight and McClane uses the opportunity presented to slap her into place. /thread

lulz.

this is starting to sound a lot like one of RJ's Harry Potter threads.

*Checks thread author*

Well that just about explains it, Marwash.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth


But Jesus was alleged to have died and then been reanimated like in that movie and then reactivated.

(Its a phenomena that occurs in Romero movies a lot)

Maybe if they'd taken out Jesus' head and brainstem with a shotgun, it might have worked.

I think thats why crucifixtion alone is never shown as being an effective stopper of other zombies.

Indeed: The Abrahamic Zombie God can only be defeated by the loss of his head. Roman newbz...




Wait, what?

Thats why hes not ever coming back:
He knows that the remmington auto was invented, and that he'd be greeted with "Euuuuurrrrghhh!!!! KILL IT!!! KIIIILLLLL ITTT!!!"

*Shack-shack....BOOOOOM*

Originally posted by dadudemon
Wait...McClane is not MacGyver. He isn't an explosives chemist, either. He grabs existing explosives: of which, Wal-mart does not have.


(Unless you count a charged C02 container as an explosive.) How's he gonna ignite it?

Let' see what's on HG's shopping list.

1. Broomstick
2. Two knives
3. Roll of duct tape.




Combine them all and.....Instant battle staff.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How's he gonna ignite it?

Let' see what's on HG's shopping list.

1. Broomstick
2. Two knives
3. Roll of duct tape.




Combine them all and.....Instant battle staff.

Plausible, so done, that's what she's bringing.

So they face off, she starts flipping and spinning towards McClane, needlessly twirling her broom-knife. McClane just sands their smiling, slightly shaking his head at the hilarious spectacle. She closes the distance and when she's in range, McClane splashes her in the face with a cup of concentrated bleach, picked from aisle 17 "cleaning supplies". /thread

That or a nice can of pepper-spray, as it's likely sold at Walmarts.

Originally posted by Robtard
Plausible, so done, that's what she's bringing.

So they face off, she starts flipping and spinning towards McClane, needlessly twirling her broom-knife. McClane just sands their smiling, slightly shaking his head at the hilarious spectacle. She closes the distance and when she's in range, McClane splashes her in the face with a cup of concentrated bleach, picked from aisle 17 "cleaning supplies". /thread

That or a nice can of pepper-spray, as it's likely sold at Walmarts.

That, or she chucks a knife into his chest from 20 feet away


Next?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That, or she chucks a knife into his chest from 20 feet away


Next? bleach in the eyes is more plausible

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
bleach in the eyes is more plausible Nah, her hitting Mac in the chest with a knife are far more plausible.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, her hitting Mac in the chest with a knife are far more plausible. bleach > knives... anyday if you dont believe me cut you arm & put bleach in your eyes & tell me which is better

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
bleach > knives... anyday if you dont believe me cut you arm & put bleach in your eyes & tell me which is better Not what I was saying. HG can throw a knife with ninjaesque accuracy and have it hit Mac from 20-30 feet away. This is a far more efficient weapon than a splash of bleach.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Not what I was saying. HG can throw a knife with ninjaesque accuracy and have it hit Mac from 20-30 feet away. This is a far more efficient weapon than a splash of bleach. solution mcclane sets a trap with bleach to fall from the ceiling & sets her ablaze

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
solution mcclane sets a trap with bleach to fall from the ceiling & sets her ablaze facepalm

Why would they fight in the first place? Big Daddy's obviously a big fan of action movies, and he would teach his daughter to respect and maybe even admire John McClane.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
facepalm

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
I think you mean he makes a molotov cocktail. Yes, this makes sense.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I think you mean he makes a molotov cocktail. Yes, this makes sense. nope a tripwire attached to bleach hooked on the ceiling + a bleach molotov cocktail

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That, or she chucks a knife into his chest from 20 feet away


Next?

Too late, she's already bringing her broomstick "battle staff", as you said.

Bleach to the eyes or possibly pepper-spray. /thread. Don't cry now cos you're not any good at the MVF stuff.

Originally posted by Robtard
Too late, she's already bringing her "battle staff." She can carry many knives on her, dude.

She has ranged weapons with which she is killer accurate with here. Mac does not.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
She can carry many knives on her, dude.

She has ranged weapons with which she is killer accurate with here. Mac does not.

So this is you adding after your argument was crushed. /typical

Originally posted by Robtard
So this is you adding after your argument was crushed. /typical What was crushed? Knives are all over WalMart.

http://www.walmart.com/cp/Knives-Sharpeners/533454


Curious what I did here.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What was crushed? Knives are all over WalMart.

http://www.walmart.com/cp/Knives-Sharpeners/533454


Curious what I did here.

why can't McClane be creative? It certainly is in his purview to use bleach and throw it at her or pour water on the floor and watch while HitGirl slips and falls..


I do agree that knives are all over Walmart as I have bought some myself, but did HitGirl actually use knives though????

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
why can't McClane be creative? It certainly is in his purview to use bleach and throw it at her or pour water on the floor and watch while HitGirl slips and falls..


I do agree that knives are all over Walmart as I have bought some myself, but did HitGirl actually use knives though???? Yup. She was a surgeon with them, when using them as throwing weapons.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How's he gonna ignite it?

Let' see what's on HG's shopping list.

1. Broomstick
2. Two knives
3. Roll of duct tape.




Combine them all and.....Instant battle staff.

Carbon Dioxide is not an explosive.


It's the pressurized container that will be used as an explosive. She could puncture it with a bullet.

I'm just saying that there are no explosives at walmart.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Carbon Dioxide is not an explosive.


It's the pressurized container that will be used as an explosive. She could puncture it with a bullet.

I'm just saying that there are no explosives at walmart. He.

No guns in the new scenario.