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This is a depowered movie version Thor armed with Hogun's spiked mace


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movie version Wolverine BEFORE he got his adamantium skeleton (so basically bone claw wolverine). And just to make it fair, Wolverine doesn't get his healing factor as well... so they're both completely powerless.


Discuss.

Thor most probably beats the crap out of him. The man at the beginning of the film had won countless wars. He has huge battle experience over a pre Adamantium Logun.....with no HF.

Wolverine kills himself once he extends his claws. Thor made S.H.I.E.L.D. agents look like "mall cops".

this is spite, bone claw logan s*cked badly..


thor won't have a problem

The Wolverine with adamantium sucks.

Thor is awesome.

So maybe I should add the adamantium back in just to make it more fair?

Wolverine is clearly gonna win whether he has metal or not. But he'll lose as well seeing how you stripped him of his healing factor.

Thor beats the living daylights out of Wolverine.

Wolverine, with just bone claws, is still superhuman in strength, speed, hearing, sight, smell, and agility.

Thor is around peak human seemingly not being winded beating up the best of the best of Shield agents.

Part of Wolverine's tactics are using his healing factor to throw people off (tanking bullets while charging). Without his healing factor, Wolverine is just a slightly stronger, faster, more agile, and better sensed version of a peak human.


Even then, I'd say that Thor wins because of how skilled he is in h2h, alone.

If Wolverine doesn't have his healing factor, he's going to bleed to death when he pops his claws.

Thor wins.

Except, Wolverine isn't superhuman. Not the movie version atleast.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Except, Wolverine isn't superhuman. Not the movie version atleast.

You lost me, DM.

Sure, he has the senses and healing factor going for him but nowhere is it in any way indicated he is super strong, fast, or agile. That's 616 clouding your judgement.

Strip him of his claws and healing and a real superhuman like Blade, Marv, Blonksy, V, or Veidt would kick his ass and eat him alive in combat.

Bravo, DM.

You make a valid point.

awermm

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Sure, he has the senses and healing factor going for him but nowhere is it in any way indicated he is super strong, fast, or agile. That's 616 clouding your judgement.

Strip him of his claws and healing and a real superhuman like Blade, Marv, Blonksy, V, or Veidt would kick his ass and eat him alive in combat.

Incorrect: he has superhuman strength feats.


One of his more impressive superhuman strength feats is crouching down, stabbing the the two-Weapon X agents, and then picking them up and twist-throwing them like they were styrofoam. That alone makes him significantly above peak human (but not by several factors above.)

Full-grown, top-of-the-line, anti-mutant, Special Forces soldiers in full tactical gear, armed to the teeth. Yeah, they are probably pushing 200-220 in weight.


Edit - Found a vid. Fast forward to 4:50 to see the scene I'm referring to. I actually remembered it wrong. It threw them a bit farther than I remembered and he didn't twist-throw.


http://www.joblo.com/video/player.php?video=x2berserk2

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Sure, he has the senses and healing factor going for him but nowhere is it in any way indicated he is super strong, fast, or agile. That's 616 clouding your judgement.

Strip him of his claws and healing and a real superhuman like Blade, Marv, Blonksy, V, or Veidt would kick his ass and eat him alive in combat.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Full-grown, top-of-the-line, anti-mutant, Special Forces soldiers in full tactical gear, armed to the teeth. Yeah, they are probably pushing 200-220 in weight.
http://www.joblo.com/video/player.php?video=x2berserk2 I would think they weigh more than 200-220, hell I weigh more than them without it at that, and these are modern people, yes? With alot of muscle? Yeah, they may be pushing more of 300-320 there, not 200. Thats about average weight for anyone 6 feet or taller.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Incorrect: he has superhuman strength feats. I'm well aware of that feat. But I don't think that's enough to label him superhuman. He still has had his ass handed to him by Sabretooth multiple times as well as Mystique. Superhuman in durability? Of course; a unbreakable skeleton and healing factor will grant you that. Superhuman sense of smell? Sure. Speed, strength, or agility? Nah

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I'm well aware of that feat. But I don't think that's enough to label him superhuman.

Not only is it superhuman, it is well into the super human category.

With one hand, I want you to try and pick up a 40 lbs dumbell with you arm straight out. You won't be able to do it. You may have lots of difficulty doing it with both hands but might be able to do it.

Now try to throw it with one hand in the same exact manner Wolverine di, behind you about 5-10 feet. If you completely tear your rotator cuff (which it should), you have proven that you're human. (Do not try it as you really will hurt the utter living crap out of yourself.) Now, try to imagine throw it as fast and with as much ease as Wolverine did to 200+lb bodies (keep in mind, they were in tactical armor that even had extended collars...pretty dang heavy. I think I'm off on my estimate and they are closer to 220lbs. I'll have to look up how much those vests weigh.)

Now let's move on to the world's strongest men. They can pick up and hold batteries in place that are around 40 lbs, with both hands. Picking one up in each hand and throwing it behind them (similar to they way Wolverine did) may be in the realm of impossible. Increase that to 200+lbs and you see how laughable it is to assume that the feat is not superhuman.

Unless, of course, you can make a case that the world's strongest men are not peak human in strength. We would have to agree to disagree. Even by Marvel's standards, it is generally considered double your own weight, but not to exceed 800lbs. What we have the world's strongest men about to clean and jerk is no more than 580lbs. That's 220lbs shy of the absolute limit set in Marvel. Thinking that the world's strongest men could, basically, split those weights in half, pick them up with their arms held straight out to the side, then picked up and tossed 5-10 feet behind them, like it is styrofoam, is really far into the absurd. The world's strongest men would have trouble doing 4-5 times less than 200lbs, much less 200+ pounds. The feat puts the movie Wolverine in the 1-2 ton class, comfortably.

No man can lift their arms with 200+lbs on each side, like Wolverine did, by even a close margin. The major issue is it would snap any known human's arm even IF they had the strength to do it. This is why there is no question that it is well past the requirement to be superhuman in strength. The limit before it completely destroys your rotator cuff or breaks your arm at the elbow is literally inches: he went well past that. (Have you seen the Olympic athlete snap his right arm by going back too far when he was doing the snatch?) This implies not only strength significantly above superhuman, it also indicates really strong joints that are ridiculously far into the superhuman category.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
He still has had his ass handed to him by Sabretooth multiple times as well as Mystique. Superhuman in durability? Of course; a unbreakable skeleton and healing factor will grant you that. Superhuman sense of smell? Sure. Speed, strength, or agility? Nah

Sabretooth is superhuman in strength, agility, speed, etc. After Wolverine got his heavier skeleton (and the comics have his strength significantly amped) he handed Sabretooth's ass to him despite being "super" in all categories.

Additionally, Mystique ended up running from that fight because she was getting her ass kicked. Stabbed in the guts, iirc. I saw that movie once in the theater, so I may not remember it perfectly.




I think you're down playing Wolverine's movie version, significantly. "Why" is the real question I should be asking you. There are at least 2 major choices: you are a Thor supporter or you are anti-wolverine. There is a third, less likely option: you are a disgruntled comic book fan of Wolverine because they failed to make him as awesome as he should have been. I fall into the third category, but I don't get too grumpy about it.


Originally posted by Pwned
I would think they weigh more than 200-220, hell I weigh more than them without it at that, and these are modern people, yes? With alot of muscle? Yeah, they may be pushing more of 300-320 there, not 200. Thats about average weight for anyone 6 feet or taller.


I agree, but I have to keep my estimate "low". I do that to make it indusputible. If I give the floor limit (rather than the middle ground or ceiling limit, it cannot be debated.)

Just google searched and the weight of smaller forms of body armor ranges from 16-25 lbs. The larger size with the collar and partial arm protection (the ones they were wearing in the film) probably weigh closer to 30 lbs.

With their guns, ammo, clothing, goggles, and other equipment on their person, they may very well weigh in excess of 250 lbs, assuming a starting "naked" weight of 180. They were around the same height as Jackman, who is 6'2", so they may actually weigh more. Depends, really. I think 250 is a very safe, comfortable, level.

Sabretooth handed Logan his ass in the first film. As he's always done in the books. Where were these superhuman stats against Mystique? She handed him his ass too.

Trying to remember the X1 movie... and I'm pretty sure that Mystique was hitting logan from all angles and wolverine could not catch up to her... until he got in a lucky shot and stabbed her through the gut.

Ofcourse my memory might be wrong, I'll need to look back into the movie first.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Sabretooth handed Logan his ass in the first film. As he's always done in the books. Where were these superhuman stats against Mystique? She handed him his ass too.

And, yet, Logan walked away from both fights whereas Creed and Mystique didn't.

Well, no shit. He's got a healing factor and knives out his damn hands. Doesn't change the fact that he has relatively NO skill.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Well, no shit. He's got a healing factor and knives out his damn hands. Doesn't change the fact that he has relatively NO skill.

He showed various superhuman skills throughout.

It cant be denied.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Sabretooth handed Logan his ass in the first film. As he's always done in the books.
Originally posted by dadudemon
After Wolverine got his heavier skeleton (and the comics have his strength significantly amped) he handed Sabretooth's ass to him despite being "super" in all categories.







Originally posted by Darth Martin
Where were these superhuman stats against Mystique? She handed him his ass too.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Mystique ended up running from that fight because she was getting her ass kicked. Stabbed in the guts, iirc.







Originally posted by FrothByte
Trying to remember the X1 movie... and I'm pretty sure that Mystique was hitting logan from all angles and wolverine could not catch up to her... until he got in a lucky shot and stabbed her through the gut.

Ofcourse my memory might be wrong, I'll need to look back into the movie first.


There's also the portion where Wolverine "adapted" and turned the tables on her with more than just a stab in the guts: he also "cut off" her fake claws and she cowered and screamed in fright from ol' Wolvie.

Thor stomps Logan in seconds. Non-Metallic Logan got his ass handed to him by Sabertooth. Even depowered, Thor has centuries of experience to pull from and laughs at Logans weakness.