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McClane solos.

Bauer dominates McClane in every aspect of life

Only in Bauer's wet dreams.

Bauer makes McClane look like Ellis

Originally posted by Lestov16
Bauer makes McClane look like Ellis

Bauer couldn't even look Ellis in the eyes with his 5'5" stature.

Bauer doesn't need to look him in the eye. He'll rip his throat out with his teeth.

"This video contains content from FOX, who has blocked it on copyright grounds"

Maybe he can reach and bite some of Ellis' chest-hairs. Maybe.

I'm just like Jack. I'll find a way

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And note that about an hour and a half before that scene at the coliseum, he was tortured to death, flatlined for 3 minutes, was revived, killed his torturers, and had a heart attack. And also note that he is halting WWIII at that time. Way manlier than stepping on some crushed glass to stop some common thieves.


Only way McClane beats that is when he's masturbating to Bauer's awesomeness.
So yeah, a throat removal is imminent

LoL, McClane's never been officially flat-lined, though many have tried. Even an F-35 Lightning II.

Ergo on that merit alone, McClane > Bauer, clearly. Midget died.

Bull. What it means is that Jack can withstand a pain threshold McClane can't even contemplate

And on the merit of that video alone, Bauer>>>>>>>>McClane, clearly.

Dude, you just said he "flatlined" and needed someone else to revive him. McClane solos his flat-lining ass all day long. Schmuck can't even stay alive.

He was electroshocked to death after withstanding over an hour and a half of torture (i.e. not giving up the info that would avert World War III). And he's survived far worse since then. He survived 20 months of torture without saying a single word out of pure force of will alone, and the very day he came back, killed about 60 people in a 24 hour period. He's survived being stabbed in the stomach twice and then, with nothing more than a handgun, slaughtering the entire Russian Consulate and his bodyguards and impaling him on a fire poker literally minutes after.

McClane was crying like a ***** to a fat cop because he got some shards of glass in his foot.

Seriously, watch the video. Unless you are (rightfully) afraid that seeing Bauer in action will send your worldview of McClane's invincibility into a spiral of chaos, and you will have no choice but to choose Bauer has the left testicle you wish to occupy

Originally posted by Lestov16
McClane was crying like a ***** to a fat cop because he got some shards of glass in his foot.

I wouldn't say crying, and at least he didn't die. That's the worst, bro. Your boy died and needed a reset to take out his enemies. McClane beats the game on just one token.

So what have we learned today, Bauer needs a second-chance to defeat his opponents. Lame.

He didn't need a reset. It was the opposite. It crippled him. He was suffering heart attacks. And he still managed to kill a hit team and perform a wall-run neck snap. While enduring the pain from the torture, the various other fights he got into during that day, a helicopter crash, and the heart attacks, all of which he sustained in the previous 23-hour period. A wall-run neck snap that I'm pretty sure McClane probably couldn't do even if he was completely healthy.
McClane wouldn't have been able to withstand all that damage in a 24-hour period. The torture would have killed him. Nothing in nay of his films shows he has Bauer's pain tolerance, so there's no way he would have survived the torture Bauer underwent. Matter of fact, he probably would have broke and allowed the villains to start WWIII


It's his job to protect the country from dangerous terrorists who make the COMMON THIEVES that McClane takes on look like the My Little Pony Brigade in comparison. Thieves McClane is just lucky enough to come across. The guys Bauer takes out aren't small teams of criminals. I'm not talking about 1 head guy, one smart guy, and a dumb muscle. Jack has taken out entire commando teams on an hourly basis, and that's only an hour of his day, which he spends all day doing.

What's McClane's pain tolerance? I doubt it is the level that Jack needed to resist the level of torture he did. And I guarantee you that after undergoing all that torture (and that was the end of the day) in a 24 hour period, McClane would not have had the energy to do a wall-run neck snap (during which Jack was also stabbed). Matter of fact, don't even make me go on a rant on in the ways in which Jack's pain tolerance shits on everything McClane has ever had to endure

Dude, you said and I do quote: "flatlined for 3 minutes, was revived". That means he died and needed to be revived. That's the same as losing and having to ask daddy for another token to try and beat the game,

McClane never needs a reset. Films 1-4, he's not died once. Bauer likely have a heart-attack just looking up at McClane, with that poor ticker of his.

Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, you said and I do quote: "flatlined for 3 minutes, was revived". That means he died and needed to be revived. That's the same as losing and having to ask daddy for another token to try and beat the game

He was tortured to his physical limits and died, and the villains the revived him so that they could continue to torture him. McClane's never been put in a position such as that where he had to have information tortured out of him.

If McClane underwent the same amount of torture he would have cracked or died way before the time Jack lasted. McClane does not have Jack's pain tolerance.

That's what i'm trying to say. Jack's been pushed to physical limits McClane hasn't. He's more durable. You are ignoring the pain he's withstood. McClane doesn't have the power output to harm him. Only compounded by the fact that McClane fights sloppy (He horribly lost the fight on the airplane wing), whereas Jack can snap necks without trying.

And also, as I've stated and you can not refute, the villains McClane faces aren't shit compared to the ones Jack must take down. McClane wouldn't last a second against Jack's enemies

Watch the video, unless of course

Exactly, McClane's so superior he doesn't allow himself to be tortured and killed in the first place, he does the killing first.

Another reason why McClane > Bauer. Besides not having a weak ticker that gives out and needs a reset.

Originally posted by Robtard
Exactly, McClane's so superior he doesn't allow himself to be tortured and killed in the first place, he does the killing first.

But I can guarantee you that if the people who tortured Jack went after McClane, he'd be ****ed more than Justin Beiber in Rikers Island Gen Pop.

Another reason why McClane > Bauer. Besides not having a weak ticker that gives out and needs a reset.

I'm sorry. Who's the one who has save the world 6 times? Oh yeah.

Originally posted by Lestov16
But I can guarantee you that if the people who tortured Jack went after McClane, he'd be ****ed more than Justin Beiber in Rikers Island Gen Pop.

I'm sorry. Who's the one who has save the world 6 times? Oh yeah.


Pure speculation and McClane has taken on many would be terrorist before, three genius too boot.

I'm sorry, who's the guy who hasn't died? McClane.

McWin...pure McWin.

Unsmote by gunshot, explosion nor wound from sharp things.
Unbesmirched by any enemy winnage.
Untainted by any bad luck, and with serious staying alive/killing skills to matcheth this prose.

Originally posted by Robtard
Pure speculation and McClane has taken on many would be terrorist before, three genius too boot.

A genius who plans out a robbery by pretending to be terrorists

A genius who plans out a 6-stage attack to destroy the US as we know it



Who is more dangerous? I could use obvious logic, but we'll wait for a moment


I'm sorry, who's the guy who hasn't died? McClane.

I'm sorry, who's the guy who got his ass handed to him on that plane wing McClane.

Who's the guy who was about to lose unless Simon gave him a medicine bottle McClane.

Who's the guy who can withstand 20 months of torture without saying a single word and immediately after in a 24 hour period kill roughly 60 people and stop a massive terrorist attack based on his hunch alone? NOT McClane.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
killing skills to matcheth this prose.

Jack's murdered more people than the amount of testicles McClane can fit into his mouth at one time

Originally posted by Lestov16
A genius who plans out a robbery by pretending to be terrorists

A genius who plans out a 6-stage attack to destroy the US as we know it



Who is more dangerous? I could use obvious logic, but we'll wait for a moment


I'm sorry, who's the guy who hasn't died? McClane.

I'm sorry, who's the guy who got his ass handed to him on that plane wing McClane.

Who's the guy who was about to lose unless Simon gave him a medicine bottle McClane.

Who's the guy who can withstand 20 months of torture without saying a single word and immediately after in a 24 hour period kill roughly 60 people and stop a massive terrorist attack based on his hunch alone? NOT McClane.

Hans' idea was brilliant, he kept the FBI going around in circles with his rouse, thereby buying him time to rob. Hans = genius, this isn't debatable.

Sure McClane's taken a beating, no one would deny that, guess what hasn't happened though while he took those beatings? He hasn't died, unlike Bauer, who did and needed a reset.

No one's doubting Bauer's ability to kill terrorist, as long as he has a reset, he's golden. In a Vs match, there wouldn't be someone resetting his ticker after it's McStopped.

Originally posted by Robtard
No one's doubting Bauer's ability to kill terrorist, as long as he has a reset, he's golden. In a Vs match, there wouldn't be someone resetting his ticker after it's McStopped.

Sorry, but there's no way "sloppy-fight" McClane is winning against "Neck Snap" Bauer in a H2H match.

Sorry, there's also no way McClane is winning against "Take on multiple terrorist compounds in one day" Bauer in a gunfight either

Refute these. And don't mention Jack's death, because that came from an hour and a half of concentrated electroshock torture, using resources i'm sure McClane won't have in the arena.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Sorry, but there's no way "sloppy-fight" McClane is winning against "Neck Snap" Bauer in a H2H match.

Sorry, there's also no way McClane is winning against "Take on multiple terrorist compounds in one day" Bauer in a gunfight either

Refute these. And don't mention Jack's death, because that came from an hour and a half of concentrated electroshock torture, using resources i'm sure McClane won't have in the arena.

McClane has proven he has superhuman durability, as he should have been shredded and/or had all his bones turned to pulp in various scenes. Bauer tries to break McClane's neck, his wrist are likely shattering, followed by yet another heart-attack.

LoL, McClane can take a bullet or two and keep going. Hell, McClane will even shoot through himself(DH4) to win the day. Bauer shot himself, he'd probably have yet another heart-attack (that's 3 now).

McClane takes on F-35 Lightning IIs and dominates them. F-35 Lighting II > Multiple terrorist compounds. /fact

Here, take these for Bauer, he's going to need a bunch of retries when he's playing against McClane.

PS, better bring a defibrillator, Bauer's going to need it again and again.

Originally posted by Robtard
McClane has proven he has superhuman durability, as he should have been shredded and/or had all his bones turned to pulp in various scenes. Bauer tries to break McClane's neck, his wrist are likely shattering, followed by yet another heart-attack.

Jack's durability shits on McClane's. He's underwent damage that would utterly demolish another human being, and not only survived, but shrugged off the pain to get into many more dangerous situations that same day. Bauer is closer to Bourne than McClane. And he will snap McClane's neck. Or bite it out. whichever's faster.

Withstood 20 months of torture without saying a word and then on the first day back proceeded to kill near-60 people
That alone shits on all of McCumshot's durability feats


Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, McClane can take a bullet or two and keep going.
Jack can take two knife wounds to the abdomen and then immediately after utterly slaughter a Russian Diplomat and his entire security staff.


Originally posted by Robtard
McClane takes on F-35 Lightning IIs and dominates them.

Jack also took on an F-35 Lighting II that POTUS sent directly to kill him. He saved not only himself but also the hundred or so passengers who were on the plane with him>>>McClane

He wouldn't be able to hack the McPace.
Bauer's next coronary encounter would be when a burning SUV is violently inserted into his poop chute, as McClane's typical opening move (of the classic "if it dont kill em, it'll bait 'em/draw their fire" variety)

Originally posted by Lestov16
Jack's durability shits on McClane's. He's underwent damage that would utterly demolish another human being, and not only survived, but shrugged off the pain to get into many more dangerous situations that same day. Bauer is closer to Bourne than McClane. And he will snap McClane's neck. Or bite it out. whichever's faster.

Withstood 20 months of torture without saying a word and then on the first day back proceeded to kill near-60 people
That alone shits on all of McCumshot's durability feats

Jack also took on an F-35 Lighting II that POTUS sent directly to kill him. He saved not only himself but also the hundred or so passengers who were on the plane with him>>>McClane

Being tortured isn't the same as surviving explosions and g-forces that would have shredded a human body. 2 bullets > 2 stabbings. Durability goes to McClane.

That's not durability per se, that's more like perseverance. Which McClane has is spades as well. As he never gives up. I'd say they're equal here when in comes to perseverance, but Bauer's need for a revive nets him a -1. So Perseverance goes to McClane, but only by a point.

Post this proof, cos I feel you may be boosting Bauer's F-35 feats due to his proven weak heart.

McClane has killed guys like Bauer on the way to take a leak at night.

Originally posted by Robtard
Being tortured isn't the same as surviving explosions and g-forces that would have shredded a human body. Durability goes to McClane.

That's not durability per se, that's not perseverance. Which McClane has is spades as well. As he never gives up. I'd say they're equal here when in comes to persevence, but Bauer's needs for a revive nets him a -1. So Perserences goes to McClane, but only by a point.

Post this proof, cos I feel you may be boosting Bauer's feats due to his proven weak heart.

Jack's survived MANY an explosion. Matter of fact, about 10 hours before he performed the wall-run neck snap, and compounded onto the fact that he was tortured, he survived a plane crash when his plane was shot down by mercenaries, and then proceeded to kill every single one of them. And Of course there was the time he was captured a terrorist amongst an exploding natural gas factory and got caught in the blast, and was fine for the rest of the day

Sorry, but Bauer's heart is not weak. He was electrocuted for an hour and a half. Do you honestly mean to tell me that any healthy person can survive electrocution for an hour and a half?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
McClane has killed guys like Bauer on the way to take a leak at night.

Proof? None of McClane's enemies would even touch Bauer

Riggs could.

And McClane beats the shit outta him.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Proof? None of McClane's enemies would even touch Bauer

They wouldn't have to. They all had machine guns.

Riggs would die horribly against Bauer.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
They wouldn't have to. They all had machine guns.

Many of Bauer's enemies had machine guns as well. Didn't stop Bauer from going on 60-man killstreaks that make Jason Voorhees jealous.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Jack's survived MANY an explosion. Matter of fact, about 10 hours before he performed the wall-run neck snap, and compounded onto the fact that he was tortured, he survived a plane crash when his plane was shot down by mercenaries, and then proceeded to kill every single one of them. And Of course there was the time he was captured a terrorist amongst an exploding natural gas factory and got caught in the blast, and was fine for the rest of the day

Sorry, but Bauer's heart is not weak. He was electrocuted for an hour and a half. Do you honestly mean to tell me that any healthy person can survive electrocution for an hour and a half?

I'm not a doctor, but I do know McClane's never died during his shenanigans. Bauer has. There are no second chances in the MVF.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Riggs would die horribly against Bauer.

But he has the backing of his wife.


And Rodge.


And Rodge's gun.

And his wife's Gun.

McClane could definitely win...... If he can restraint Jack and then electrocute him for an hour and a half

Thing is, given how much Jack shits on McClane H2H wise, I don't think that's going to happen. And since you need nothing short of an hour and a half of electrocution to kill Bauer, and McClane doesn't have that damage output, he's not putting Bauer down for any stretch at all. Name me one time McClane's won a H2H match (not counting when he cheapshotted Mai Lihn). Let's talk about that. Unlike the Mai Lihn fight, Bauers, not just gonna turn and walk away from McClane, allowing McCalne to get the jump on him. He's going to snap McClane's neck. It's not even fanboyism. Given Jack's feats. It's very clear that's what's going to happen if they ever H2H fight.

McClanes neck is inhumanly durable and has never snapped on screen.

Ok. Karl. Whupped his ass, even after karl game him a good fight and shot him.

McClane would endure and then finish Bauer with some ingenious last minute improv type kill and lay down an amusing quip.

Like I said, McClane can kill Bauer, if he can restrain him and electrocute him for an hour and a half straight, which he can't

Bauer will massacre McClane H2H. Bauer's far deadlier than Karl could wish to be.

Also, I'm calling bullshit on your "invulnerable" neck theory

Well if you are to call that, then please supply vids of McClane ever getting his neck broken, in any of the fights, falls, impacts/stunts in which mortal man would be certain to incur some of the old snappity-snap-snap to the neck.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Like I said, McClane can kill Bauer, if he can restrain him and electrocute him for an hour and a half straight, which he can't


Using your same rational, Bauer can't kill McClane, as he's never been killed before.

There's a 5th movie being written supposely, I'm guessing he's not pulling a Bauer and dying it that one either.

Originally posted by Robtard
Being tortured isn't the same as surviving explosions and g-forces that would have shredded a human body.

McClane can McSuckit


Note that many of those explosions, he's endured AFTER sustaining damage in multiple gunfights and fistfight. And note that after those explosions. He goes on for hours continuing to kill scores of bad guys

And speaking of which...


Originally posted by Robtard
2 bullets > 2 stabbings.

Oh yeah. Let's talk about gunfights. And lets talk about McClane. He's been shot? What? Do you know how many gunfights Bauer's been in, entire compounds firing on him with automatic weapons, and he literally has nothing more than a handgun. And he's NEVER been shot. EVER. And not just terrorists. Entire armed military commando teams. The fact that McClane allowed himself get shot TWICE to some thugs is an utter disgrace



Originally posted by Robtard
That's not durability per se, that's more like perseverance. Which McClane has is spades as well. As he never gives up. I'd say they're equal here when in comes to perseverance, but Bauer's need for a revive

Please don't tell me the pun in your name is serious. You, of all people, considering the vast wealth of knowledge that I've seen you exhibit on the Gen. Disc. Forums, know that flatlining for 4 minutes is not some recharge. You exactly what it would do to a normal human being. McClane has never experienced that amount of pain ever, and you know it. Speaking of which, since McClane has never experienced that amount of pain or damage...

Originally posted by Robtard
Durability goes to McClane.
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He was suffering heart attacks. And still, with all that pain from the torture, the heart attacks, and a helicopter crash, he still managed to
kill five people and run up a wall to break a man's neck (during which he was stabbed in stomach (and once again, you know exactly what that would do to normal human))


And by the way, don't try to use the "McClane never got captured" excuse, because Simon could have easily killed him and Zeus, but he instead tried some elaborate James Bond ploy and was retarded enough gave McClane the clue which allowed him to hunt him down. Note that that is something 24 villains DO NOT DO. The fact that this dumbass was the most intelligent of McClane's adversaries sets McClane down quite a few tiers


Originally posted by Robtard
Hans' idea was brilliant, he kept the FBI going around in circles with his rouse, thereby buying him time to rob. Hans = genius, this isn't debatable.

Alex the oil magnate's plan was brilliant. He was going to frame the Middle East for detonating a nuclear weapon on US soil and instigate WWIII. Within 6 hours of finding out about the plan, Bauer (and I mean only Bauer because everybody else in the government didn't believe him) managed to not only kill all the mercenaries involved (BTW the amount of people he killed in that 6 hours probably outnumbers the amount of people McClane kills PER FILM), but managed to produce to the President himself evidence and thus avert WWIII. By himself.

It takes McClane 6 hours just to avert ONE building with like 10 terrorists. And I can guarantee you 16 hours before that, McClane wasn't involved in a helicopter crash and had to gun down an entire commando team by himself. He was probably bitching about his wife on an airplane,

Originally posted by Robtard
Sure McClane's taken a beating, no one would deny that, guess what hasn't happened though while he took those beatings? He hasn't died, unlike Bauer, who did and needed a reset.

Are you saying that being electrocuted for an hour and a half straight is less strenuous on the human body than a fistfight, which he's lost.

Are you stating that if McClane went through the same amount of torture, he would have survived for that long? And then, if he had flat lined for 4 minutes, he would have had the will to be revived. Once gain, forget that "McClane would never allow himself to get in that position" crap because



Where's DDM, because to quote the Red Shirt from Star Trek Frist Contact, "It sounds like your making up a bunch of BS right now"

Originally posted by Robtard
No one's doubting Bauer's ability to kill terrorist, as long as he has a reset, he's golden. In a Vs match, there wouldn't be someone resetting his ticker after it's McStopped.

Now by saying that, once again, you are stating that McClane has the power output equivalent to an hour and a half of brutal electroshock torture? Because based on the way that he GOT HIS ASS HANDED TO HIM on that airplane wing, I don't think so.

He got his ass handed to him? He may have lost the wing-sumo competition, yet the movie finished up with the scumbags dead, and with McClane alive. Nice also that the zippo-to-frey explosion was literally a hand to hand finish for all those villains from the BeMacced one.

All other points made here fail to illustrate any reason for thinking that Bauer can take McClane.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
He may have lost the wing-sumo competition, yet the movie finished up with the scumbags dead, and with McClane alive.

So how is that any different from when Bauer was electro-tortured and the story still ended with the Scumbags dead and him still alive? That's total hypocrisy and bias

Dude, more than half those explosions either it wasn't Bauer or he was noticeably far away. Just look at when the helicopter explodes, Bauer's not only on the floor behind partial cover when it explodes, he's like 500 feet away. McClane tanks explosions, he'll tank an explosion in an apartment (DH4) and be all "meh, all part of the job."

But speaking of helicopters, McClane becomes even more deadly when he runs out of bullets, as seen in DH4. Tell me, has Bauer ever shown the on-the-spot resourcefulness of using a Ford Crown Victoria as a Surface-To-Air missile?

It's a good thing Bauer's never been shot, if some electricity gave him a coronary, a bullet certainly will.

Not a "recharge", a revive. Bauer has one death under his record. McClane's never died. Clearly you can see who's superior here.

Bauer's going to need something to stand on like a chair or soapbox if he's going to try and break McClane unbreakable neck.

Considering McClane's inhuman durability, it bodes well that he would not have a heart-attack like Bauer, should he find himself being tortured.

Not sure how you're using McClane being kicked in the face and repeatedly getting up for more as some measure of him not being able to take torture. If anything, it would mean he could.

If this is McClane "dominating" an F-35, I think you need to re-familiarize yourself with the word

tgwW_hxmZAU

Not to mention, once gain, the stupidity of the pilot considering he could have just launched a missile at the rig and blow it up, not to mention he flew under a truck that obviously had stuff falling out the back. McClane had nothing to do with taking that plane down. One again, the stupidity of McClane's enemies really sets him down a few tiers

BTW, coincidently, I'm watching Die Hard this very moment on AMC. LOL. Jack could wipe all of these guys out in 6 minutes (Literally. He's done it to more)

Originally posted by Robtard
McClane takes on F-35 Lightning IIs and dominates them.

to quote youtube commenter

-That pilot was a retard. Hey, lets play chicken with a semi, then fly 50 meters from the ground under falling debris. How the **** did he pass flight school?!

-WTF IS THAT!? why would the pilot fly under a falling freeway?

-Why would a pilot decide to fly his jet under a ****in freeway and hover around to shoot a truck from 20 feet away. Who wrote this shit?

Clear domination.

The F-35 was clearly trying to kill him, but in the end McClane survived and left that F-35 a burning pile of junk. McClane's antics caused those course of events to unfold the way they did. ie "The McClane Factor", it's similar to reality-warping powers, but not directly controlled.

The guys who were trying to torture Bauer pushed him to his physical limits to try to get information out of him, but in the end he killed ALL of them, single-handedly, including running up a wall and snapping a guys neck, after being pushed to a pain limit McClane would cry at.

Clear domination.


And BTW, you are starting to sound like RJ. WTF does that even mean? The f-35 pilot was a ****ing dumbass. McClane had absolutely nothing to do whatever with it's takedown. The pilot had him at a perfect range but instead decided to fly under the overpass it just blew up and underneath the truck that had massive amounts of shit falling out of it. McClane had nothing to do with it. At all.

Bauer did have a heart-attack first though and died, don't forget that. Weak-sauce, bro.

The McClane Factor is when the improbable happens, it's a feat, as seen.

Originally posted by Robtard
The McClane Factor is when the improbable happens, it's a feat, as seen.

Can I get Impediment to give a ruling on this, because

Originally posted by Lestov16
to quote the Red Shirt from Star Trek Frist Contact, "It sounds like your making up a bunch of BS right now"

I've never seen this "McClane Luck Factor" mentioned or even hinted at in any of the films

LOL I just watched his fight scene with Karl. Karl had the drop on him and could have just shot him in the face, but instead he went on some stupid motive rant about how it's personal.

Based on DH Villain stupidity, how many tiers is John below Jack now?

BTW, Jack's fight scene with Fayed (AFTER killing about 8 terrorists armed with automatic weapons wielding only a handgun) blows that shitty fight scene out of the water in every way imaginable, including taunting the villain about their brother while they hang them with a chain

Watch the films. reactions of "I cant believe my luck there" are there for all to see. And the sheer jamminess of a lot of diehards 1-4 speak for themselves.

Get me Impediment, because that's all it is. Luck. He won't have luck in the ring, just as Bauer won't have his "defibrillator" in the ring. So if you are stating that luck is McClane's only skill, and he loses it once he steps into the ring, the he is ****ed

Pretty sure Ford's launching out like missiles don't happen in reality. Just one example of the McClane factor. Even the kids was: "You're a cop?", incredulous to what he just witnessed McClane pull out of his anus.

Why would be lose it? It's his own personal power-set.

Yeah, because that kid's seen sooooo much in his vast life to compare that to

Originally posted by Lestov16
Yeah, because that kid's seen sooooo much in his vast life to compare that to

That scene would impress veteran SAS teams.

"Bloke ran out o bullets, so he launched a Ford at the helo. Was truly brilliant thinking, mate." <-- spoken with a UK accent

The shit Jack does on a 24 hours basis would impress superheroes

Originally posted by Lestov16
The shit Jack does on a 24 hours basis would impress superheroes

Careful, wouldn't want anyone to accuse you of being a Jack Bauer fanboy.

Normally, I would agree, but considering he's actually taken on terrorists that make the Joker look like a harmless shoplifter, I stand by my statement. And unlike Batman, he always defeats them in 24 hours. So yeah, I'm seeing Bale Batman want to rub on Jack's manmeat. He's gonna have to force McClane off of it first, because he'll be riding it hard.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Normally, I would agree, but considering he's actually taken on terrorists that make the Joker look like a harmless shoplifter, I stand by my statement. And unlike Batman, he always defeats them in 24 hours. So yeah, I'm seeing Bale Batman want to rub on Jack's manmeat. He's gonna have to force McClane off of it first, because he'll be riding it hard.

While I don't doubt Bauer fantasizes about having sexual relations with McClane, McClane's into chicks, bro.

As far as the Batman fetish, Bauer's best best bet is the Batman from Schumacher's 1997 film.

It's okay. You don't have to outright state that John will be getting nothing less than a McCumshot.

we'll just quitely accept it

More fantasies, bro

LMAO I just went through this thread after watching Safe House... had to double check the title.

The thread did go a little off topic lol, but what do you think? I actually think it would be a close match

Safe House sucked ass though. Clearly a film released solely to make money. The lack of effort put into Frost's "badassitude" that was promised in the trailer (Alonzo+Creasy) was utterly disappointing. Nobody besides Reynolds put any effort into their characters at all. You could tell everybody (actors, writers, etc.) were there just to get a paycheck and go home

I think I may go with Creasy, because Frost was somewhat ineffective throughout he film.

Bumped (and not for McWankage.)

Who wins. Tobin or Creasy?

Originally posted by Lestov16
Bumped (and not for McWankage.)

Who wins. Tobin or Creasy?

Someones got McLovin on their mind


And my moneys on Creasy.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Someones got McLovin on their mind


He's a closeted McClane fanboy; I think it's adorable.

Robtard started it with his first post in the thread. I have to be safe

Anyway Tobin was badass too. Had far more gun and H2H kills than Creasy

Originally posted by Lestov16
Robtard started it with his first post in the thread. I have to be safe

Anyway Tobin was badass too. Had far more gun and H2H kills than Creasy

That's very seven-years-old of you.

Creasy wins; he's a sad bear, just stop being wrong all the time.

Originally posted by Robtard
Creasy wins; he's a sad bear, just stop being wrong all the time.


Prove Creasy wins; Tobin put bullets in plenty of people, just stop making biased assumptions all of the time

Originally posted by Lestov16
Prove Creasy wins; Tobin put bullets in plenty of people, just stop making biased assumptions all of the time

While just a few post above you said:
Originally posted by Lestov16
I think I may go with Creasy, because Frost was somewhat ineffective throughout he film.

Debating against yourself again. Lestov. Just stop.

I'm admitting I may be wrong. I'm not making a biased assumption. I'm simply asking for you to prove that Creasy outdoes Frost since you are certain of Creasy's win.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I'm admitting I may be wrong. I'm not making a biased assumption. I'm simply asking for you to prove that Creasy outdoes Frost since you are certain of Creasy's win.

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing, coupled with a high dose of butthurt.

Cos he had better feats and was far more ruthless in attaining his goals.

Originally posted by Robtard

Cos he had better feats

He had better gunfight fights than Frost?


Originally posted by Robtard
and was far more ruthless in attaining his goals.

doesn't mean shit in a H2H or gunfight

Originally posted by Lestov16
He had better gunfight fights than Frost?

doesn't mean shit in a H2H or gunfight

Only seen Safe House, once, but yes.

Stop acting like a fop, ruthlessness and tenacity matter in fights. You argued that Bauer's ruthlessness mattered in one of the Bauer Vs McClane/DH threads. Stop the 100% bias style of debating, try some objectivity.

Such as?

Not going to help him in a H2H or gunfight.

Note these are legit questions here, which is why I'm asking for no assumptions. What has Creasy done that shows he can take on Tobin? Because Tobin was disarming dudes and snapping their necks like twigs.

Alright, you're too far invested in arguing for arguing's sake now.

I know. You'd think I was trying to debate the thread topic or something.....

Considering you're saying a characters showings of ruthlessness and tenacity don't matter in a fight don't matter now, you're just being argumentation.

What has Creasy done that shows he can take on Tobin in H2H?