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DC vs. Marvel!


Avengers

Hulk
Thor
Iron Man
Captain America
Black Widow
Hawk Eye

Superman solos. Heck Green Lantern probably solos. (He was pretty damn powerful). But who cares when their movies were so crap!

BB and TDK were awsome though. And for that I give Batman the win over both BW and Hawkeye together.

Superman solos.

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Superman is all that's needed. Thor gives him a fight, then Thor dies.

With Superman and Gl the crashing helicarrier scene would have been far less dramatic to say the least.

Eh, I guess Im in the minority in thinking that Thor and Hulk from the Avengers movie were rough equals to Superman from Superman Returns. Not sure who wins here between the teams, though I certainly dont see Superman trashing the entire other team.

One of the things I enjoyed most about the Avengers movie is how well Whedon made all of their powersets, pretty much spot on to what I felt they should be, when facing off against enemies and themselves.

Originally posted by DTM
Eh, I guess Im in the minority in thinking that Thor and Hulk from the Avengers movie were rough equals to Superman from Superman Returns.

Superman lifted a Kryptonite Island. I'm not sure how you think Thor or the Hulk could be his equal just in strength. Let's not even get into speed.

Supes wins again.

Hulk dies again.

Originally posted by DTM
Eh, I guess Im in the minority in thinking that Thor and Hulk from the Avengers movie were rough equals to Superman from Superman Returns. Not sure who wins here between the teams, though I certainly dont see Superman trashing the entire other team.

One of the things I enjoyed most about the Avengers movie is how well Whedon made all of their powersets, pretty much spot on to what I felt they should be, when facing off against enemies and themselves. I got the impression that Movie Thor isn't Bullet proof so all superman woud have to do is SpeedBlitz him with his fingernail. Thus taking out Thor.
Hulk is the only real issue for Team DC to deal with.

Superman solos, it's a nonfight :/.

Originally posted by SquallX
Superman is all that's needed. Thor gives him a fight, then Thor dies.

How does Thor give him a fight?

He's weaker than movie Hulk. Who's billions of times weaker than 2006 Superman.

Pretty much. Nothing was shown in that movie (regardless of how good the movie was) that would put Hulk and Thor on equal footing with Routh's Supes.

The problem with this thread is that 2006 Superman didn't fight anyone. Sure he had an impressive strength feat but we have know way of telling how good of a fighter he is, or how he would fare against other opponents with super powers. Christopher Reeves Superman (The only real movie Superman IMO) would have been a much better choice.

Assuming Superman ever manages to hit the Marvel team, team DC wins.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
The problem with this thread is that 2006 Superman didn't fight anyone. Sure he had an impressive strength feat but we have know way of telling how good of a fighter he is, or how he would fare against other opponents with super powers. Christopher Reeves Superman (The only real movie Superman IMO) would have been a much better choice.

Routh's Superman is supposed to be the same character, just different actor. Officially Superman Returns is the sequel to Superman 2 with Superman 3 & 4 being retconned out of the film continuity as stand alones. Taking that into consideration makes it easier.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
The problem with this thread is that 2006 Superman didn't fight anyone. Sure he had an impressive strength feat but we have know way of telling how good of a fighter he is, or how he would fare against other opponents with super powers. Christopher Reeves Superman (The only real movie Superman IMO) would have been a much better choice.

He's stronger than anyone on the list, and he's far faster than anyone on the list (casual bullet timer at the very least).

There's nothing else to talk about.

Besides as said, Christoper Reeves Superman is the same as Routh Superman. And he fought Zod, Non, and Ursa.

Too bad that fight showed that Superman's HTH skill is below that of most 3rd graders.

This fight is likely to last for several hours.

Supes uses his heat vision on Tony. IM gets charged to 10 000 000 percent power. Stark then kills team DC easily.

Several seconds, at best.

They are all too incredibly slow and incredibly weak.

Someone with the fighting skills of a 3rd grader, can still easily crush an ant, right? That's the idea here.

Movie Superman doesn't seem to be able to use his speed for hth combat.

DC team will win, it'll just take several hours because Superman's skill is so low.

....Movie Superman was a bullet timer.


And he flew around the planet, solving problems at literally light speed, which means his reflexes are fantastic to not crash into anything.

People need to stop putting retard-powerful chars like Superman against others who are cannon-fodder by comparison.

A bullet to the eye couldn't so much as make his eye move a millimeter. He turns back time, he stops an earthquake by pushing apart tectonic plates, he flies an island from sea-level to orbit in about a minute etc.

Green Lantern alone could solo this, creates a mini-sun with the same gravitational pull of earth's sun(as seen). /end

Originally posted by CosmicComet
....Movie Superman was a bullet timer.


And he flew around the planet, solving problems at literally light speed, which means his reflexes are fantastic to not crash into anything.

I'm glad that he can fly really fast, However he never once used superspeed in any of his fights.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm glad that he can fly really fast, However he never once used superspeed in any of his fights. Funny how often people forget that. There is absolutely zero on screen evidence that Superman fights at the same speed he flies or intercepts moving objects. If strength alone were all that was neccessary to beat an opponent then Batman's superior technique wouldn't matter when fighting people like Bane or Killer Croc. There is ample on screen evidence that Hulk would just keep getting stronger as the fight progresses. And taking a hammer shot to the head from Thor is much different that stopping a bullet. When Superman faced other super powered opponents he got his ass handed to him. He had to remove their powers to beat them. That is't happening here.

Poor comparisons.

He more than "stopped" a bullet, he showed invulnerability to one of the weakest parts of the body. Hulk gets shot, it causes some discomfort and you see his flesh moving from the effects. Superman, nothing.

He faced three others with the same powers.

Originally posted by Robtard

He faced three others with the same powers. ...and kept getting his ass kicked until their powers were removed. He couldn't even beat Nuclear Man one on one without de-powering him first. Movie Superman is a pussy compared to comicbook Superman.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
...and kept getting his ass kicked until their powers were removed. He couldn't even beat Nuclear Man one on one without de-powering him first. Movie Superman is a pussy compared to comicbook Superman.

Which tells us that 3 to 1 odds are hard when the combatants are all equal or there about; not: "Thor and Hulk can defeat Superman".

Nuclear man was supposed to be his superior in power. That's a different Superman though, this is Routh and Reeve 1-2. The complete idiocies of Reeve Superman 3-4 don't exist here.

That goes with many Comic-to-Movie characters. Comic Thor is far superior to his film self.

What are movie Superman's best durability feats?

Originally posted by Silent Master
What are movie Superman's best durability feats?

Tanking machine gun fire w/o flinching, being shot in the eye mere feet away from the gun w/o blinking, falling from the Earth's atmosphere to the ground and surviving; with a shard of kryptonite in him.

Those are the ones that come from the top of my head.

Barring the eye shot, those are roughly the same as movie Hulk/Thor.

No they're not. Movie Thor and Hulk fell from about 30,00 feet. Superman fell from orbit, survived re-retry while weakened.

Real comparable.

Supes solos

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Superman solos. Heck Green Lantern probably solos. (He was pretty damn powerful).

Originally posted by playa1258
No they're not. Movie Thor and Hulk fell from about 30,00 feet. Superman fell from orbit, survived re-retry while weakened.

Real comparable.

You're aware of what terminal velocity means, right?

Superman had to undergo re-entry while being near powerless.

This is spite. Movie Supes should just be banned or something.

Routh Superman is basically Reeve Superman.

Reeve flew faster than light speed to reverse the Earth's rotation and pushed the moon out of orbit.

Superman solos.

Green Lantern would also solo, but Supes is faster.

Superman and GL are WAY too powerful for the Avengers.

Batman takes a nap

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're aware of what terminal velocity means, right?

I'm aware of your extreme marvel bias. Falling from 30k feet is not comparable to falling from orbit surviving re-entry while weakened.

Originally posted by playa1258
I'm aware of your extreme marvel bias. Falling from 30k feet is not comparable to falling from orbit surviving re-entry while weakened.

Again, do you understand what terminal velocity is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, do you understand what terminal velocity is?

I know what terminal velocity is.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, do you understand what terminal velocity is? Do you understand what ENTERING THE MOTHER****ING ATMOSPHERE OF A PLANET WHILE NEARLY DEAD AND WEAKENED is?

The friction and heat is sufficient to incinerate a person completely (I could get figures on this later if you want). Superman was mostly fine.

Hulk would break his fist punching Superman, and Superman could accidently kill Hulk.

He sustained no damage from the entry/fall/crash, he had passed out prior from being severely weakened/poisoned from the kryptonite shard still in his side and then fell.

Found this to be funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWt-Yu-Y8Fc&feature=related, Hulk's raepface.

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/8052/raepface.jpg

Superman was actually telling Hulk to stop tickling him at the end there.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Superman had to undergo re-entry while being near powerless.
Yet in an actual fight a bus was thrown (slow enough that I could have dodged it) at him and was nearly ko'd. Hulk shoulder blocked a giant f*ckin robot snake much larger and moving much faster than that bus and didn't flinch. Ironman survived re-entry while de-powered does that make him as durable as Superman?

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Yet in an actual fight a bus was thrown (slow enough that I could have dodged it) at him and was nearly ko'd. Hulk shoulder blocked a giant f*ckin robot snake much larger and moving much faster than that bus and didn't flinch. Ironman survived re-entry while de-powered does that make him as durable as Superman? http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/rage/grand/edward_norton_angry_laptop_gif.gif

Edit: Unfortunately I can't just let you stay misinformed like this so...

First you have to take into account the outdated special effects. Then you need to consider that Superman wanted to save the people in the bus, so simply dodging it was not an option. Then it might help to realize the bus was thrown by 2 kryptonians who happen to be as powerful as him. Ironman's durability is not tied to his energy level, and he wasn't in space. He went through the teleport, dropped the bomb on them and ran out of energy. Then fell back in when the teleport was shutdown and got saved by Hulk before he hit the ground. Was that the instance you talked about, or are you talking about Iron Man 1 or 2?

Why would we take outdated special effects into account? The feats stand as they're shown in the movie.

facepalm Do whatever you want to do.

This thread is about movie Superman, therefore we go by the feats in the movies.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
facepalm Do whatever you want to do.

Originally posted by Silent Master
This thread is about movie Superman, therefore we go by the feats in the movies. You're a very dumb person.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm glad that he can fly really fast, However he never once used superspeed in any of his fights.

He caught a bullet after it was fired (Superman I). He intercepted a whole barrage of machine gun fire after they were fired(Returns).

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why would we take outdated special effects into account?

Because we're not stupid.

No, you're taking the "outdated special effects" into account so that you can pretend the feats are more impressive than they really are.

Next, you'll be taking "outdated fight choreography" into account so that you can claim that movie Superman is actually skilled in hth.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, you're taking the "outdated special effects" into account so that you can pretend the feats are more impressive than they really are.

So what we're supposed to ignore the fact that special effects were limited back in those days??

Next you'll be saying George Reeves Superman is as slow as a normal person, because that's all they showed. (Even though the opening narration clearly stated "faster than a speeding bullet".

They clearly showed his speed in Returns anyway so your talking nonsense.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Next, you'll be taking "outdated fight choreography" into account so that you can claim that movie Superman is actually skilled in hth.

No because he wasn't able to do anything against the random bully when he had no powers.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, you're taking the "outdated special effects" into account so that you can pretend the feats are more impressive than they really are.

Next, you'll be taking "outdated fight choreography" into account so that you can claim that movie Superman is actually skilled in hth.

No. That goes for Star Wars' Old Ben vs Vader 131 not Supes. Superman fights like a chump, but he still casually backhands the avengers.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
First you have to take into account the outdated special effects.
Green screen technology had already been in use several years before Superman II came out. There had already been two Star Wars movies, a plethora of Godzilla movies, and Clash of the Titans was released shortly there after. There is no reason they couldn't have had the bus thrown at a higher speed. That wasn't the only example of Supermans, or the other Kryptonians fighting abilities and powers not being up to par with the Avengers.
1. Superman needed a heat vision blast of almost five seconds to take out a concrete wall that was thrown at him and he flinched when it blew up near his face. Thor or Iron Man could have taken it out in a fraction of that time without flinching.
2. Zod used his heat vision on the fuel tank of a big rig, continuously for twenty seconds (I timed it) and it still didn't blow. Thor would take it out with one lightning blast in a split second.
3. Superman was nearly ko'd when hit by a city bus, traveling at what appeared to be about ten feet per second, that was thrown at him. The fact that Ursa and Non threw it is irrelevant, as I will explain later. As I said earlier, Hulk took a giant robot snake, at least ten times larger than the bus and traveling much faster, head on and didn't leave his feet.
4. The impact of Thor's hammer on Captain America's shield caused more collateral damage, therefore appearing more powerful, than any attack that either Superman, Zod, Ursa, or Non dished out or received.

Originally posted by Zack Fair

Then you need to consider that Superman wanted to save the people in the bus, so simply dodging it was not an option. Save the people? I don't care if he was trying to save the whales, it doesn't eliminate the fact that it nearly ko'd him.

Originally posted by Zack Fair

Then it might help to realize the bus was thrown by 2 kryptonians who happen to be as powerful as him. As I said earlier that is irrelevant. If they were still holding onto the bus and ramming him with it that would be different. But they didn't, they threw it instead. If I get hit with a ninety mph fastball it will feel the same whether it was thrown out of a pitching machine or by a major league pitcher, the energy delivered on impact would be identical.

Originally posted by Zack Fair

Ironman's durability is not tied to his energy level, and he wasn't in space. He went through the teleport, dropped the bomb on them and ran out of energy. Then fell back in when the teleport was shutdown and got saved by Hulk before he hit the ground. Was that the instance you talked about, or are you talking about Iron Man 1 or 2?
Correction, he went threw the wormhole, into space, dropped the bomb, ran out of energy in space, fell through space back through the wormhole before it closed, and was intercepted while falling at what appeared to be terminal velocity, by the Hulk who was also traveling at a high rate of speed in the opposite direction. Technically that impact would have been more severe than letting a building slow him down. It was a great feat though. Made me crave shwarma.

Superman Returns is enough, don't even have to include Reeve's highest showings. People really need to stop trying to downplay the character they want/need to see lose, Superman.

Thread should be closed before the nonsense continues.

Originally posted by Robtard
Superman Returns is enough, don't even have to include Reeve's highest showings. People really need to stop trying to downplay the character they want/need to see lose, Superman. He didn't fight anybody in Returns. The only time really encountered any violence or combat situations was when he stopped the robbers and was blasted by the gatling gun, or when he was de-powered and got his ass kicked by Lex and his gang. Hardly convincing evidence. He lifted something really heavy and survived a really high fall, so what? Anytime Movie Superman has engaged in combat with others with powers he and his abilities have been less than impressive. If this were the comic book version vs the movie Avengers, then I would agree with you 100% and even call this a spite thread, but it isn't. So we can't apply comic book feats and abilities to the movie version until we see them replicated by the movie version.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Thread should be closed before the nonsense continues. Yes, ask them shut it down, much easier than admitting you're wrong.

superman takes bullets to the eyes casually without it phasing or penetrating it...
strong enough to lift an island when weakened...

he doesn't need to even exert himself to win

Superman lifted a small continent into outer space in like 10 seconds.


Anybody thinks that he has even a .00001% chance of losing seriously needs to get their head checked, because they're as crazy a a mugger thinking you can shoot Superman in the eye

Originally posted by Brockalizer
He didn't fight anybody in Returns. The only time really encountered any violence or combat situations was when he stopped the robbers and was blasted by the gatling gun, or when he was de-powered and got his ass kicked by Lex and his gang. Hardly convincing evidence. He lifted something really heavy and survived a really high fall, so what? Anytime Movie Superman has engaged in combat with others with powers he and his abilities have been less than impressive. If this were the comic book version vs the movie Avengers, then I would agree with you 100% and even call this a spite thread, but it isn't. So we can't apply comic book feats and abilities to the movie version until we see them replicated by the movie version.

In just Returns he showed:

-Bullet-intercepting speed

-Invulnerability

-Planet-drilling heat-vision

-Super senses

-Able to lift billions and billion and billions of tons

He doesn't need to be an expert in MMA to take on all the Avengers, he can crush them all with just basic punches. It stands to reason you need guys in his range-level of power(s) to hurt him, if we include films 1-2, or kryptonite. But continue down-playing Superman, it's funny to see.

Superman wins, people. Thor and Hulk are no match.

Superman feats:

-lifted a huge land mass and threw it into outer space.

-pushed the entire moon out of orbit to cause a solar eclipse.

-flew around the Earth at faster than light speeds to reverse the rotation of the planet.

-took a bullet to the eyeball without even flinching

-flew around Earth to right even the smallest of wrongs at what the news team said was "light speeds".


The only reason Supes got his ass kicked by Zod, Ursa, and Non was because they were ON HIS LEVEL.

Thor and Hulk are not.

Superman throws Hulk into the sun and then proceeds to kill Thor.

Iron Man, Cap, BW, and Hawkeye are not even a threat. They might as well be kittens.

Green Lantern could just as easily do the same, but with his ring powers.

All GL would have to do is make a star in the middle of the Avengers. Fight over.

Originally posted by Robtard
In just Returns he showed:

-Bullet-intercepting speed
So what, reflex speed is not fighting speed. He has never displayed that type of speed in a fight...except in the comic book. Hell, Hulk and Captain America's on camera fighting speeds are much faster than Superman's fighting speed. This would never happen in the comic.

Originally posted by Robtard

-Invulnerability

Bullets bounce off, so what did ya notice they also bounced off of Hulk and Thor too? They ain't getting through Cap's shield or Iron Man's armor either. One could argue that the guns they were shot with could be more powerful than the ones Superman has been shot with.

Originally posted by Robtard

-Planet-drilling heat-vision

Not getting through Cap's shield, will just piss off Hulk until he gets pissed enough to power through it, would probably power up Iron Man, Thor would be slowed or stunned, but it probably won't put him down permanently.

Originally posted by Robtard

-Super senses

He can hear really good and see really far. That will help him against Iron Man, but not so much if Hulk is Loki-Smashing him all over tHe place.

Originally posted by Robtard

-Able to lift billions and billion and billions of tons

Physically stronger opponents lose to more skilled opponents all the time. Captain America is a much better tactician, and Hulk and Thor have more impressive fightings skills.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Assuming Superman ever manages to hit the Marvel team, team DC wins.

Hulk is not Loki smashing Superman. Considering he is far stronger than all the avengers combined.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
So what, reflex speed is not fighting speed. He has never displayed that type of speed in a fight...except in the comic book. Hell, Hulk and Captain America's on camera fighting speeds are much faster than Superman's fighting speed. This would never happen in the comic.


Superman was shown to be flying at "near light speeds", as explained by the news team doing the reports on television.

With Superman's strength, speed, invulnerability, and sheer inertia, all he would have to do is fly into orbit, lock onto Hulk with his telescopic vision, and fly straight into Hulk and turn him into a corpse. Thor, too.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
So what, reflex speed is not fighting speed.

If his reflexes made bullets look like they are moving in slow motion, then Hulk and Thor will also be moving in slow motion to him. There's no evidence that either of them can move even close to the speed of a bullet.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
He has never displayed that type of speed in a fight...except in the comic book. Hell, Hulk and Captain America's on camera fighting speeds are much faster than Superman's fighting speed. This would never happen in the comic.

I could argue stopping the gunmen was a fight. Just a particularly easy one as this will probably be.

And I hope your not implying Captain America is faster than Superman. If your not and admit Superman is infinitely faster, then your point is moot.


Originally posted by Brockalizer
Bullets bounce off, so what did ya notice they also bounced off of Hulk and Thor too? They ain't getting through Cap's shield or Iron Man's armor either. One could argue that the guns they were shot with could be more powerful than the ones Superman has been shot with.

I remember bullets effecting Hulk enough for him to take his attention off Thor, and get really angry at the fighter pilot. Why would he do that I wonder? Obviously the bullets had some effect.
Also Thor tried to avoid the bullets.

Whilst a bullet point blank to the eye did not even make Superman blink.

He also survived a much much larger fall while weakened. His durability is obviously much much greater than Thor and Hulks.


Originally posted by Brockalizer
Not getting through Cap's shield, will just piss off Hulk until he gets pissed enough to power through it, would probably power up Iron Man, Thor would be slowed or stunned, but it probably won't put him down permanently.

Cap's shield is too small to cover his body. Hulk probably wouldn't fair too well either considering what the barrage of alien lasers did to him. Powering up Iron Man is a joke. Lightning is basically electricity. Totally different. I don't remember the alien lasers powering Iron man up one bit.


Originally posted by Brockalizer
He can hear really good and see really far. That will help him against Iron Man, but not so much if Hulk is Loki-Smashing him all over tHe place.

LOL Yeah imagine Hulk going for the Loki smash 100 times slower than how the bullets seemed to Superman.


Originally posted by Brockalizer
Physically stronger opponents lose to more skilled opponents all the time. Captain America is a much better tactician, and Hulk and Thor have more impressive fightings skills.

And yet Captain America despite all his combat skills didn't last too long against Loki.

Thor was no match in a direct brawl for Hulk despite clearly being a far far superior combatant.

And the difference in strength in this scenario is much much greater. Sp strength will matter. Especially when they are all moving in slow motion Lol.

Originally posted by Impediment
Superman was shown to be flying at "near light speeds", as explained by the news team doing the reports on television.

With Superman's strength, speed, invulnerability, and sheer inertia, all he would have to do is fly into orbit, lock onto Hulk with his telescopic vision, and fly straight into Hulk and turn him into a corpse. Thor, too.

Or just fly Hulk off into space at Light speed. Lol

Or toss Hulk into the sun.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Yes, ask them shut it down, much easier than admitting you're wrong. LoL no. First I asked for Supes to be banned, that didn't get anywhere. So now I asked the thread be shut down. Everyone can see who the winner is just fine.

Superman is one of the most powerful movie characters around, but I'm not going to ban him from threads. That would be just silly.

Also, I won't close the thread unless the thread starter asks me to, or shit just becomes too enitrely silly and/or heated.

Originally posted by Impediment
Superman is one of the most powerful movie characters around, but I'm not going to ban him from threads. That would be just silly.

Also, I won't close the thread unless the thread starter asks me to, or shit just becomes too enitrely silly and/or heated.

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/319/5/3/sad_butters_by_darklord2017-d32y758.gif

Originally posted by Impediment
Also, I won't close the thread unless the thread starter asks me to, or shit just becomes too enitrely silly and/or heated.

I think that's been fulfilled by comments like:

Originally posted by Silent Master
Assuming Superman ever manages to hit the Marvel team, team DC wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Too bad that fight showed that Superman's HTH skill is below that of most 3rd graders.

This fight is likely to last for several hours.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Barring the eye shot, those are roughly the same as movie Hulk/Thor.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Next, you'll be taking "outdated fight choreography" into account so that you can claim that movie Superman is actually skilled in hth.

Originally posted by Silent Master


Originally posted by Brockalizer

Originally posted by Brockalizer
So what, reflex speed is not fighting speed. He has never displayed that type of speed in a fight...except in the comic book. Hell, Hulk and Captain America's on camera fighting speeds are much faster than Superman's fighting speed. This would never happen in the comic.

Yes, it is. He can fly fast enough to appear from the horizon to block a gatling gun spray, after it started firing. Combat speed. Idiot.



He survived orbital re-entry while weakened and near-death. A much shorter fall knocked out Hulk.

Superman's heat-vision on the other hand could go through steel like butter, and if you count IV, like for some reason you did earlier, can cut a ****ing mountain in half.



Show me where Cap's shield in the movies is immune to heat.

It would lobotomise Hulk or Thor, be real here.



How will Hulk manage this to an opponent who is physically much, much, much, much stronger than him?

Let's use your idiotic lowball logic for a minute.

Norton Hulk is canon to Avengers Hulk.

The same Hulk who could hurt Abomination (A demonstratably superior foe) by punching him with cars, and who got stabbed by a ****ing helicopter blade in the chest.

The bus was thrown by a Kryptonian, and it didn't actually hurt him that badly, if at all.



Fat load of good all that skill did against Loki, in Captain America's case. His punches couldn't even hurt Loki. Same deal here.

Originally posted by Impediment
Superman is one of the most powerful movie characters around, but I'm not going to ban him from threads. That would be just silly.

Also, I won't close the thread unless the thread starter asks me to, or shit just becomes too enitrely silly and/or heated. I would take Hancock, Agent Smith, or Darth Sideous (Episode 3 version) in a straight up brawl against Movie Superman as far as actual on film fighting abilities, but that is another debate for another thread.
The point I'm trying to make is that Movie Superman is not Comic Book Superman. Of course Movie Superman has lots of impressive strength and speed feats, but those feats never transferred over into his fighting. Comic Book Superman would make Movie Superman his ***** faster than a Superman fanboy can say "don't come down here Grandma I'm busy".

Movie Superman can catch a bullet reflexively to save someone, but he can't dodge a manhole cover frisbee tossed at him. He certainly doesn't use his bullet catching speed to dodge punches. When he punches someone or is punched by someone else with his powerset, and has no reason to hold anything back from those punches, the force generated is only enough to send the opponent crashing through a concrete wall, into but not all the way through a building, or into but not through the Coke sign. By contrast Iron Man and Thor were hitting each other hard enough to send each other through trees nearly two feet thick. Do you have any idea how much more force that would require? When Thor "dropped the hammer" on Captain America the impact was enough to disintegrate several trees in the vicinity. When Movie Superman hits someone, or is hit by someone with his power set their Kryptonian strength clashing with Kryptonian durability isn't even enough shatter windows. Superman's heat vision, sure it can get hot enough to vaporize rock, but so what? That only requires a few thousand degrees. One lightning bolt can be over one million degrees. That's hotter than the surface of the sun. If getting hit by something as small and slow moving as a bus being thrown at him was enough to nearly k.o. him. Then getting hit by a giant robot snake, at least ten times larger than said bus and traveling at a higher speed would have probably killed him. When an object is thrown it is the speed that it travels combined with it's own mass that determines the force of the impact. The strength of the person or in this case people throwing the object is inconsequential. Rather than having two variables (velocity x mass) as with the bus impact, the robot snake impact has three variables (velocity x mass x torque) two of the snake collision variables are much larger than the bus collision variables and the third was non existent. The giant robot snake was not only much larger, but it was also traveling faster and under it's own power, therefore was capable of generating exponentially more force than the bus that was simply thrown.

Shall I take this? Okay, but I am getting bored of the low balling.


Originally posted by Brockalizer

Movie Superman can catch a bullet reflexively to save someone, but he can't dodge a manhole cover frisbee tossed at him.

Was hurt and surprised. Was fighting 3 different Kryptonians for God's sakes. He just beat up one, and got surprised by another one who actually called out "Superman" very nicely.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
He certainly doesn't use his bullet catching speed to dodge punches.

Whose punches? Kryptonian punches?

Originally posted by Brockalizer
When he punches someone or is punched by someone else with his powerset, and has no reason to hold anything back from those punches, the force generated is only enough to send the opponent crashing through a concrete wall, into but not all the way through a building, or into but not through the Coke sign. By contrast Iron Man and Thor were hitting each other hard enough to send each other through trees nearly two feet thick. Do you have any idea how much more force that would require?

Yes but who was Superman punching? Kryptonians? Yeah somehow I think if I punched a 12 year old theres a much greater chance of him going flying back and crashing through something, then if I punch say Mike Tyson... Who probably wouldn't even budge Lol.

Also I think you've forgotten Superman punched Nom all the way though the concrete ground, through a skyscraper and he still carried on flying off. Lol. So I really don't know what your talking about.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
When Thor "dropped the hammer" on Captain America the impact was enough to disintegrate several trees in the vicinity. When Movie Superman hits someone, or is hit by someone with his power set their Kryptonian strength clashing with Kryptonian durability isn't even enough shatter windows.

First of all when Nom and Superman were in a punch up under ground it was causing an earthquake.

Second I don't remember anything breaking as a response to Hulk punching Thor or vice versa. Only when they crashed through things.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Then getting hit by a giant robot snake, at least ten times larger than said bus and traveling at a higher speed would have probably killed him. When an object is thrown it is the speed that it travels combined with it's own mass that determines the force of the impact. The strength of the person or in this case people throwing the object is inconsequential. Rather than having two variables (velocity x mass) as with the bus impact, the robot snake impact has three variables (velocity x mass x torque) two of the snake collision variables are much larger than the bus collision variables and the third was non existent. The giant robot snake was not only much larger, but it was also traveling faster and under it's own power, therefore was capable of generating exponentially more force than the bus that was simply thrown.

You see this is where the special effects come in. There was no matrix style "let's have the bus moving in slow motion while only Superman and Kryptoinans are moving normally" at that time.

And before you give me a list of what was possible in those days just remember it was not so easily and inexpensively done. So there were only so many effects they could use in one film.

And it worked at the time. People saw that scene and knew what was happening. The bus was thrown with the force of 2 Krptonians, each with the strength to move moons, or at least islands.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I remember bullets effecting Hulk enough for him to take his attention off Thor, and get really angry at the fighter pilot. Why would he do that I wonder? Obviously the bullets had some effect.
The Hulk attacking the fighter pilot doesn't mean that the bullets were hurting. Hulk is a rage fueled beast he'll attack anything that attacks hims regardless of whether or not it is hurting him.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Whilst a bullet point blank to the eye did not even make Superman blink.
Whilst a concrete wall blowing up a few feet from his face made him flinch.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER

LOL Yeah imagine Hulk going for the Loki smash 100 times slower than how the bullets seemed to Superman.
Hulk doesnt have to move faster than a bullet to catch Superman. He just needs to move faster than the manhole covering that was gingerly thrown at him, or the punches that he can't seem to dodge.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER

And yet Captain America despite all his combat skills didn't last too long against Loki.
I said tactician, that is different than fighting ability.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

And the difference in strength in this scenario is much much greater. Sp strength will matter. Especially when they are all moving in slow motion Lol.
1. Movie Superman has never, I repeat never displayed that level of speed while fighting anyone.
2. His heat vision is hot enough to drill into a planet, big f'ing deal. That only requires a temperature of a few thousand degrees, compared to a lightning bolt that can generate over a million degrees.
3.When Movie Superman punches someone the impact sends them flying into, but not completely through a building or wall. When Movie Thor hits someone the impact is enough to send an opponent through several trees nearly two feet thick.
4. The impact from Movie Superman's punches aren't even powerful enough to shatter windows. The impact of Thors hammer disintegrates part of a forest.
5. Superman was nearly knocked out by a bus, Hulk was hit head on by something larger and faster and was only pushed back a few feet.

The low balling of Superman in this thread is comical. Man of Steel needs to come out to shut these idiots up.

Sidious...really...?

Originally posted by Brockalizer
So what, reflex speed is not fighting speed. He has never displayed that type of speed in a fight...except in the comic book. Hell, Hulk and Captain America's on camera fighting speeds are much faster than Superman's fighting speed. This would never happen in the comic.


Bullets bounce off, so what did ya notice they also bounced off of Hulk and Thor too? They ain't getting through Cap's shield or Iron Man's armor either. One could argue that the guns they were shot with could be more powerful than the ones Superman has been shot with.


Not getting through Cap's shield, will just piss off Hulk until he gets pissed enough to power through it, would probably power up Iron Man, Thor would be slowed or stunned, but it probably won't put him down permanently.


He can hear really good and see really far. That will help him against Iron Man, but not so much if Hulk is Loki-Smashing him all over tHe place.


Physically stronger opponents lose to more skilled opponents all the time. Captain America is a much better tactician, and Hulk and Thor have more impressive fightings skills.

So what are you saying, he can only move that fast when intercepting bullets? Hahaahahahaahhahaahaa. He slams into any of the Marvel team at those faster-than-bullet speed +his power-output and they're butter or severely damaged.

Fail comparison and more ridiculous down-playing of Superman. While bullets bounced off Hulk's body, they managed to physically move his skin and caused enough discomfort to annoy Hulk. Superman took one to the eye and it couldn't mildly disturb his eyeball, one of the softest parts of the body. Superman's has invulnerability unless he's weakened by kryptonite, Hulk and Thor aren't invulnerable; they're just extremely durable/tough. One is clearly far superior to the other.

Superman doesn't need to "get through" Captain A's shield, he rips it out of his hands and proceeds to make him swallow it. Superman lifted an island from sea-level to outerspace in about 60-90 seconds, he has the physical strength to throw the Hulk into orbit, Hulk would be a baby in his hands by comparison. What will power Iron Man, heat-vision? Hahahahaahaaaa. No. Thor was wounded enough where it brought him to his knees by Loki's little dagger, Superman choke's him to death if he wishes with the strength-level he's shown.

Except they won't be, his power-levels are ridiculously high compared to their. Idiotically high.

Yet one none of the guys on one team can't hope to get past Superman's invulnerability, speed and strength. It might as well be a spite thread with just him, be we also have Hal Jordan here, this is epic-stomp-spite in favor of DC.

PS, stop downplaying, it's silly. I get that the Avenger's is new-shiny and Superman is a cheese-ball character. But stop.

theres low balling & theres trolling clearly this be trolling.

Superman wins. I remember that scene where it showed a bullet in slow-mo, then he flew up to block it with his body, he was a blur in that scene compared to the speeding bullet...that's how fast he is. Then next scene he stops a gunshot with his eyeball...come on...movie was trash but there is no way the Avengers can beat him.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
The Hulk attacking the fighter pilot doesn't mean that the bullets were hurting. Hulk is a rage fueled beast he'll attack anything that attacks hims regardless of whether or not it is hurting him.

Speculation. He obviously got annoyed with bullets hitting him. Whilst Supes doesn't even blink with a bullet shot at his eye point blank.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Whilst a concrete wall blowing up a few feet from his face made him flinch.

Lol as if Thor or Hulk wouldn't. At least he can take bullets. And it was extremely hot sparks of solid concrete that exploded in an instant due to the explosive power of his heat vision.

Thor and HUlk durability are laughable in comparison.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Hulk doesnt have to move faster than a bullet to catch Superman. He just needs to move faster than the manhole covering that was gingerly thrown at him, or the punches that he can't seem to dodge.

Yeah if Hulk waits for Supes to finish beating up Nom. And then calls out to him in a feminine voice.

It's already been addressed, so stop the trolling.





Originally posted by Brockalizer
1. Movie Superman has never, I repeat never displayed that level of speed while fighting anyone.

Stopping gunmen isn't a fight??

Originally posted by Brockalizer
2. His heat vision is hot enough to drill into a planet, big f'ing deal. That only requires a temperature of a few thousand degrees, compared to a lightning bolt that can generate over a million degrees.

Yeah but that level of heat doesn't effect Superman. It would kill Thor of Hulk though.


Originally posted by Brockalizer
3.When Movie Superman punches someone the impact sends them flying into, but not completely through a building or wall. When Movie Thor hits someone the impact is enough to send an opponent through several trees nearly two feet thick.

Stop lying and stop trolling. I've already pointed out to you how he punched Nom through the concrete ground and through the scyscraper and carried on flying off into the sky.

A few trees is lame and a complete joke in comparison.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
4. The impact from Movie Superman's punches aren't even powerful enough to shatter windows. The impact of Thors hammer disintegrates part of a forest.

Only when impacting against Cap's shield. Nothing of the sort happened when he hit Iron Man or Hulk with Mjolnir. This has already been addressed by me. Stop the damn trolling.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
5. Superman was nearly knocked out by a bus, Hulk was hit head on by something larger and faster and was only pushed back a few feet.

The force of 2 Kryptonians is >>>>> than the force of the large snake. Special effects of the time didn't allow the bus to be moving matrix style, and show Supes absorbing the impact like he did in Returns while catching the plane.

Oh yes that's right, he caught a plane, lifted an Island, strength feats far far beyond movie Hulk and Thor.

Quit the trolling now, because it's getting seriously bad.

Superman may be an all powerful super being but he has a weakness! GREEN! Hulk is green so Superman will lose

And Thor is a GOD! With a hammer no less! That puts him LEAGUES above Supes! As we all know hammer beats manhole cover any day of the week.

Thors lightning and Supes heat vision are the same exact thing so it would power up Ironmans suit and we all know Superman is retarded so thats the only attack he will use then Downey would layith the smackith down on Clark

Superman has no way of getting around Caps shield its completely impenetrable as stated by everyone

Plus Superman Jobbed to Kumar on the Kryptonite island which means Black Widow and Hawkeye would Kill him!

Given all the complete and accurate data i have provided i think we can all agree that Superman is clearly outclassed here.

Which why we all can say Superman solos these clowns before GL and Bats even make it on scene.

Ridiculous

Welp, I'm convinced.

Originally posted by juggerman
Superman may be an all powerful super being but he has a weakness! GREEN! Hulk is green so Superman will lose

And Thor is a GOD! With a hammer no less! That puts him LEAGUES above Supes! As we all know hammer beats manhole cover any day of the week.

Thors lightning and Supes heat vision are the same exact thing so it would power up Ironmans suit and we all know Superman is retarded so thats the only attack he will use then Downey would layith the smackith down on Clark

Superman has no way of getting around Caps shield its completely impenetrable as stated by everyone

Plus Superman Jobbed to Kumar on the Kryptonite island which means Black Widow and Hawkeye would Kill him!

Given all the complete and accurate data i have provided i think we can all agree that Superman is clearly outclassed here.

Which why we all can say Superman solos these clowns before GL and Bats even make it on scene.

Ridiculous

Kumar is easily skyfather level son.

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Originally posted by DARTH POWER



The force of 2 Kryptonians is >>>>> than the force of the large snake. Special effects of the time didn't allow the bus to be moving matrix style, and show Supes absorbing the impact like he did in Returns while catching the plane.
When on object is thrown the energy delivered is based on the mass of the object and the speed the object is traveling at. A 90mph fastball has the same amount of energy whether it is thrown by a college pitcher, Major League pitcher, or out of a pitching machine. Try reading a science book for a change.

Thor vaporizes Superman with the Hammer of god. Superman has no H2H abilities and even how strong movie Supes is. He won't be able to knock out or contain Thor since he can withstand enormous amount of punishments.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
When on object is thrown the energy delivered is based on the mass of the object and the speed the object is traveling at. A 90mph fastball has the same amount of energy whether it is thrown by a college pitcher, Major League pitcher, or out of a pitching machine. Try reading a science book for a change.

Scientifically speaking Lois Lane would have died when Superman caught her. So leave science out of it and spare me your calculations.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Scientifically speaking Lois Lane would have died when Superman caught her.

This.

Two arms of steel cut her into thirds.

Maybe that was a super speed scene but due to lack of great graphics and budgets it wasnt portrayed very well?

Originally posted by juggerman
Maybe that was a super speed scene but due to lack of great graphics and budgets it wasnt portrayed very well?

We've pointed that out to him a few times now, but he's insistent on trolling.

I thought maybe a new person saying it would help.