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ROUND 1:

Achilles, from the film Troy

VS

Daredevil, from the film Daredevil


They are fighting in the Colosseum. They start ten feet apart. They know nothing of each other prior to the fight. To win one must kill or totally incapacitate the other. They are both in character. Achilles is armed with his spear, sword and shield and is wearing his armor, and Daredevil is armed with his modified billy-club and is wearing his costume.

DD rapes.

Hmmm... first instinct tells me DD should take it, but then movie DD didn't normally take on fighters the caliber of Achilles. The three times DD did fight trained fighters (Elektra, Bullseye, and Kingpin) he got pretty banged up by two of them.

Achilles isn't as fast or as agile as DD, but he should be fast enough to keep up with Bullseye. Achilles is pretty strong as well, cutting off the head of a marble statue in one swipe and launching a spear from a distance that no man has ever done before. If DD had problems with Kingpin who's main advantage was just strength and size, beating up DD with walking stick, you could imagine how difficult DD will find Achilles' combination of strength, skill, and agility.

If it was h2h, I'd say DD takes this. But armed with their weapons, I think DD is a little bit short in the weapons department. I mean, billy club and leather costume against spear, sword, shield and armor?

Achilles.

Dude, DD was fast enough to aim dodge bullets. He'll have no trouble dodging Achilles.

Bullets>>>>>Achilles speed.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Dude, DD was fast enough to aim dodge bullets. He'll have no trouble dodging Achilles.

Bullets>>>>>Achilles speed.

DD was fast enough to get out of the trajectory of aimed bullets. He wasn't faster than the bullets themselves. If he truly was that fast, then he shouldn't have had trouble ducking and dodging around Kingpin. But you saw how that fight happened, he got the crap beat out of him, and Kingpin certainly seemed slower than Achilles.

Which means DD will easily "see" said spear or sword thrust and not get hit.

When he fought KP, he was worn and beaten already. he just soldiered on.

Achilles gets his ass beaten in by a guy dressed like he came out of the San Francisco gay-leather scene. Pretty much the only outcome of this match.

Will it be raining?

If so, DD will see Brad's rippling muscle and forfeit.

Angies's soon to be hubby gets beat up by Jenny's goofy looking hubby

Originally posted by Robtard
Which means DD will easily "see" said spear or sword thrust and not get hit.

When he fought KP, he was worn and beaten already. he just soldiered on.

Achilles gets his ass beaten in by a guy dressed like he came out of the San Francisco gay-leather scene. Pretty much the only outcome of this match.

DD was perfectly fine when he fought Elektra. And though he wasn't taking her seriously, he did have trouble dodging her attacks (since he got stabbed and all).

Elektra doesn't have super speed last time I checked. And based on screen feats, Achilles > Elektra.

Originally posted by FrothByte
DD was perfectly fine when he fought Elektra. And though he wasn't taking her seriously, he did have trouble dodging her attacks (since he got stabbed and all).

Elektra doesn't have super speed last time I checked. And based on screen feats, Achilles > Elektra.

Low showings do not > High showings

Originally posted by Robtard
Low showings do not > High showings

So you're just gonna pretend it never happened huh? He wasn't fast enough to dodge around all of Elektra's hits. Fact. Elektra has never been stated to have superhuman speed, neither has bullseye, or kingpin. Fact.

Every time DD has gone up against a skilled opponent, he struggled.

Heck, even in the bar fight, you see him fight off about 4-5 guys armed with billiard sticks and guess what, he was getting tagged. Sure he beat them up, but still he was getting hit.

Achilles attacked the beach of Troy seriously outnumbered and not once was he tagged. Achilles also never struggled with any opponent, regardless of skill level. The best Hector was able to do was scratch his armor.

I'm not even saying Achilles clearly wins this fight. H2H, I still think DD wins. Armed, it's a close match (definitely closer than what you guys give Achilles credit for). The reason I think Achilles wins with weapons is because DD only has his billy club which is a poor match to sword, spear, and shield.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So you're just gonna pretend it never happened huh? He wasn't fast enough to dodge around all of Elektra's hits. Fact. Elektra has never been stated to have superhuman speed, neither has bullseye, or kingpin. Fact.

Every time DD has gone up against a skilled opponent, he struggled.

Heck, even in the bar fight, you see him fight off about 4-5 guys armed with billiard sticks and guess what, he was getting tagged. Sure he beat them up, but still he was getting hit.

Achilles attacked the beach of Troy seriously outnumbered and not once was he tagged. Achilles also never struggled with any opponent, regardless of skill level. The best Hector was able to do was scratch his armor.

I'm not even saying Achilles clearly wins this fight. H2H, I still think DD wins. Armed, it's a close match (definitely closer than what you guys give Achilles credit for). The reason I think Achilles wins with weapons is because DD only has his billy club which is a poor match to sword, spear, and shield.

So you're going to ignore that DD was fast enough to dodge thrown weapons, track bullets trajectories and avoid being shot in a relatively small area while gun fire was all around him?

Yes, Achilles was very impressive. He's still no DD.

That isn't just a "billy club", it's also a cane and a grappling hook which can be used to disarm and entangle. Achilles gets his face smashed.

edit: As far are your "Elektra hit him" argument. She only got one kick to his chest and this was while he was trying to reason with her and proclaiming his innocence while not trying to harm her.

The two other times were a A) kick (TO THE HEAD) she got in, when he was disorientated by the sheets. B) A sai to the shoulder after he grabbed her and was continuing to try and reason.

Originally posted by Robtard
So you're going to ignore that DD was fast enough to dodge thrown weapons, track bullets trajectories and avoid being shot in a relatively small area while gun fire was all around him?

Yes, Achilles was very impressive. He's still no DD.

That isn't just a "billy club", it's also a cane and a grappling hook which can be used to disarm and entangle. Achilles gets his face smashed.

So DD dodged bullet trajectories.... Achilles isn't using a gun.

DD dodged projectiles... Achilles isn't using a bow and arrow or any projectiles for that matter.

What Achilles is using are melee weapons. Has DD been hit by melee weapons? Yes. Multiple times. By billiard sticks, by sais, by a walking cane, and by h2h combat.

Achilles has never been hit by any man while in combat.

DD has a billy club/cane/grappling hook... which aren't quite as lethal as a sword. A sword knicks DD in the thigh, he gets a wound. The club hits Achilles in the thigh, he gets a bruise.

The grappling hook can be useful to disarm and entangle, though I'm not sure DD would want to get into a tug-of-war with a guy as strong as Achilles.

Will Achilles have an easy time defeating DD, no. But DD is going to have hell of a time trying to take out Achilles.

Really now? DD can avoid being shot by multiple bullets and do backflips while evading shards of glass thrown by a guy with basically perfect aim, but a spear thrust from a guy without super-speed is going to over-tax his abilities?

See above, I went and found the fight with Elecktra. She got 1 valid kick in and this was while he was trying to reason with her and not fighting back. So your downplay of DD in that fight was just that, a downplay.

Incorrect. Hecter hit him in the sternum; if it wasn't for his armor, he would have been dead or severely ****ed up.

Nope, Achilles will trying to hit an opponent that can "see" his attacks coming as if they were at slower speeds and is fast enough to counter or dodge and attack back.

Originally posted by FrothByte
But DD is going to have hell of a time trying to take out Achilles.

No he won't. Achilles isn't Bullseye or Elektra. He may be a good swordsman, but DD is pretty much superhuman and had to be put down by people as superhumanly-skilled as he was

Originally posted by Lestov16
No he won't. Achilles isn't Bullseye or Elektra. He may be a good swordsman, but DD is pretty much superhuman and had to be put down by people as superhumanly-skilled as he was

And how exactly did you come up with Elektra being better than Achilles?

Originally posted by Robtard
Really now? DD can avoid being shot by multiple bullets and do backflips while evading shards of glass thrown by a guy with basically perfect aim, but a spear thrust from a guy without super-speed is going to over-tax his abilities?

See above, I went and found the fight with Elecktra. She got 1 valid kick in and this was while he was trying to reason with her and not fighting back. So your downplay of DD in that fight was just that, a downplay.

Incorrect. Hecter hit him in the sternum; if it wasn't for his armor, he would have been dead or severely ****ed up.

Nope, Achilles will trying to hit an opponent that can "see" his attacks coming as if they were at slower speeds and is fast enough to counter or dodge and attack back.

Agreed.

Daredevil has transhuman abilities, 360 degree vision linked to the same part of the brain that his natural vision once was, and hypersensitive reactions to sonic stimuli that activate perfect neurokinetics and calisthenic muscle coordination that produce preternatural response times and super-humanly agile reactionary movements that are recovered from by a supernaturally adaptive equilibrium - in summary body-motility which dwarfs the performance of the deadliest jungle cat that ever lived.

It would be interesting to observe Achilles being bested in every physical capacity through the eyes of his Myrmidon, or through the eyes of Agamemnon, who has seen this man scurry across a beach shore riddled with air-born arrows before slaughtering every soldier who stood in his path and then chucking a spear across the distance of several football fields, before super-humanly impaling his likely target with precision. The King who observed Achilles take down a 500 pound muscle-head, who had killed everyone he ever fought, with a perfectly timed leap and stab which entered the giant through his left trap and destroying all major internal veins and arteries directly attached to his heart, causing almost immediate death via external blood loss and internal bleeding within the left side of his chest. A King who heard this man had taken the life of the only other warrior known to the Greek nations on the entire face of the earth who was considered the best.

Yes, I think Agamemnon would faint after watching the "Daredevil" pick apart a fully armed Achilles with two sticks.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And how exactly did you come up with Elektra being better than Achilles? Kirigi would have quickly killed Achilles.

Kirigi would have gotten his shit pushed in grecian style.

Physically Achilles was about twice as strong as Matt Murdock Pound for Pound, and he weighed more with all that muscle mass.

Achilles was pretty close to a cro-magnum man, obviously he built muscle faster than any modern man could, and he had achieved maximum muscle mass for his body type - which was an extreme mesomorph with highly aggregated muscle fibers (spear throw).

Kingpin had achieved maximum muscle mass for an extreme endomorph who was about twice the size of Achilles, and Boagrious was an endo-mesomorph who was three times the size of Achilles (It's a movie).

If it weren't for Daredevil's radioactive sense of sound, and his other superhuman senses and how they effect his motility, he would be crucified.

The Elektra film was a whole other dimension IMO.

Originally posted by Mindset
Kirigi would have gotten his shit pushed in grecian style. don't disagree with me, it's unseemly.

Daredevil predicted a bullets path in time to move Colin farels hands in the path of it, DD's reflexes along with his super human hearing make this a roflstomp.

Originally posted by Robtard
Low showings do not > High showings This. Post of the year.


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This isn't an easy fight.

Achilles has the shield and the sword + spear. The shield will reflect DD's billy clubs early but DD's billy clubs are held together with wire, ensuring he can return them to continue the assault. Though Achilles is a smart one and he can cut the billyclubs wire via rolling with the attack with the shield and severing the wire with his sword.

Achille's advantage is defensive assault maneuvering, Murdock can avoid this through backflips and general avoidance.

Achilles has an advantage in being a shell. Though DD has the advantage in reading every move Achilles does on the fly and adapting during the fight.

Eventually DD is going to attack Achilles lower leg area, then flip over his head and attack him from the back. If this fails he's in trouble.

DD has no high ground to retreat to. And no dark areas to take advantage of his opponent.

Achilles will win this 7/10 if not more. Dodging bullets in darkness may be impressive....but in an arena situation Achilles has the advantage.

Thing is, as DD dodges any and all of Achilles' attacks, Achilles will leave himself open for attack. Sooner or later he'll get tagged by DD.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Thing is, as DD dodges any and all of Achilles' attacks, Achilles will leave himself open for attack. Sooner or later he'll get tagged by DD.

Thing is, DD has been shown to get tagged by Elektra, meaning he is not capable of dodging all attacks from a skilled human.

Achilles on the other hand has effectively dodged or blocked every single attack thrown at him.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thing is, DD has been shown to get tagged by Elektra, meaning he is not capable of dodging all attacks from a skilled human.

Achilles on the other hand has effectively dodged or blocked every single attack thrown at him. He was on the defensive the entire time. If he had been trying to hit her, she would not have touched him.

When he fought Bullseye, Bullseye couldnt touch him until DD's weakness was exploited.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
He was on the defensive the entire time. If he had been trying to hit her, she would not have touched him.

When he fought Bullseye, Bullseye couldnt touch him until DD's weakness was exploited.

Yes he was on the defensive, and I agree that he would have kicked the crap out of Elektra had he wanted to. The point I'm trying to make however is that DD's reflexes weren't full proof, and that he's capable of being hit by a well trained human. Achilles isn't Elektra, and he's going against DD with a sword and shield. You'll notice that DD doesn't always dodge, he also blocks a lot of times. DD can't block sword slashes like he blocks kicks and punches.

He'll have to rely on his billy club to block those hits... which is going to be pretty tough. Then we've also seen DD hit Bullseye full on the face with his club, and all that gave Bullseye was a painful hit. Achilles can probably tank a full hit on the face with the billy club (much like Bullseye did), but DD cannot tank a full hit with a sword.

Like I said before, DD is going to have hell of a hard time taking down Achilles in the weapons competition if all he has is his billy club. I'm not even saying that Achilles is superior in skill, as I'm sure we all agree that DD is the more skilled fighter. Just that Achilles has a huge advantage in arms and armor and is skilled enough to make that advantage count.

H2H DD easily takes it.

........................You think DD would actually try and block a sword strike..........................................

You seriously think that DD can just dodge EVERY single sword strike?

Yup.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Yup.

Sure sure, even though no where in the Daredevil movie was DD able to dodge ALL attacks. He needed to block as much as he ducked, even when fighting average thugs.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Sure sure, even though no where in the Daredevil movie was DD able to dodge ALL attacks. He needed to block as much as he ducked, even when fighting average thugs. He dodged multiple bullets from multiple shooters.

Multiple bullets from multiple shooters>>>>sword swipe.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
He dodged multiple bullets from multiple shooters.

Multiple bullets from multiple shooters>>>>sword swipe.

And yet you still see him getting hit by h2h attacks that were delivered by average thugs. Again, Achilles is not using a gun here. DD is proven to be "hittable" by billiard sticks, you think he can't be hit by a sword? If DD truly was a "bullet dodger", why does he get hit by h2h attacks?

DD manages to get out of the way of bullet trajectories and by means of maneuverability, manages to avoid getting hit. That is not the same as true bullet dodging like that used by the Matrix Agents. DD WAS able to dodge those thrown projectiles by Bullseye though, so he does have reflexes and speed that is admirable. But he's still proven to being able to get hit by brawl moves, which is what we're discussing here.

Sorry Bud, that's just the way it is.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Sorry Bud, that's just the way it is.

Any reason why you keep dodging the fact that DD gets hit by h2h attacks?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Any reason why you keep dodging the fact that DD gets hit by h2h attacks? And he avoids attacks at close range that are much faster. High end feats, bro.