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V(V for Vendetta) His his full repertoire of knives and his armor from the subway fight.
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Smith has his deagle with only the one clip.
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Stips: This is Smith from the first matrix. No flying, cloning or switching bodies.

Location: The subway platform where smith and neo fought. They start 10 feet away from each other.

Let the Hugo Weaving battle begin.

I think if Smith is able to fire his clip in to him, he'll win. He has the speed and durability to last. If he doesn't, or if he loses his gun somehow, I'd say V eventually stabs/cuts him to death.

The deagle does have alot of stopping power but as far as i could tell from the movies the vest he wore was pretty well bullet proof and he was fast as hell. He only died in the movie beacuse he bled out from bullets to the arms and legs. Shows a good amount of damge soak tho.

Smith was strong as hell, tho. And Agents were fast enough to dodge bullets at close range.

If he runs out of ammo, what's to stop hom from just punching V to death?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Smith was strong as hell, tho. And Agents were fast enough to dodge bullets at close range.

If he runs out of ammo, what's to stop hom from just punching V to death?
I never took they're spaz out bullet dodging to mean that they always movie that fast. It was more of a defensive reaction. Which will help if V decides to throw a knife or 2 at him. Which should alow him to close the distance.

Well, it's a one-of. I agree. If they use it as their standard dodging speed, they'd stomp tho. But as a one-of and if we base it on their demonstrated on screen speed, w/c is more easily seen, then I can certainly agree that V would keep up.

I just wish there was more of a damge soak example for smith or another agent. It usually comes down to a lethal blow or they just seem to keep on comin.

Originally posted by omgchos
I never took they're spaz out bullet dodging to mean that they always movie that fast. It was more of a defensive reaction. Which will help if V decides to throw a knife or 2 at him. Which should alow him to close the distance. Smith managed to machine gun punch Neo at super speeds over and over in their big fight.

Originally posted by Newjak
Smith managed to machine gun punch Neo at super speeds over and over in their big fight.
I think that was another example of their bulet dodging thing. Its almost like they have to have their legs planted. But it would help if V is trying to slice away at him or throw one or two of his knives his way.

Originally posted by omgchos
I think that was another example of their bulet dodging thing. Its almost like they have to have their legs planted. But it would help if V is trying to slice away at him or throw one or two of his knives his way. I just wanted to point out they could use it for offense as well as defense.

Agent Smith wins.

Smith is way to strong imo.

Originally posted by Newjak
I just wanted to point out they could use it for offense as well as defense.

Agent Smith wins.

Smith is way to strong imo.
His strength is definitely much higer than V's but V is a genious who's no push over. He threw his knives so hard taht two guys were knocked a god 4 feet backwards.

Originally posted by omgchos
His strength is definitely much higer than V's but V is a genious who's no push over. He threw his knives so hard taht two guys were knocked a god 4 feet backwards. Trinity was able to jump into the air and kick a man back quite a few feet and she was nowhere near strong enough to take on an Agent.

Agent Smith was also a very capable fighter, and Neo who probably is a better fighter than V couldn't put him down with his attacks.

Originally posted by Newjak
Trinity was able to jump into the air and kick a man back quite a few feet and she was nowhere near strong enough to take on an Agent.

Agent Smith was also a very capable fighter, and Neo who probably is a better fighter than V couldn't put him down with his attacks.
She never actually took on an agent tho, as they were always told to run. Most of neos fighting prowess came from all his training. That whole there is no spoon thing. It was a mental block keeping him from beating smith. V managed to take down i think it was 8 men in the space of time it took one of them to reload. Hes definitely got the skills to take on smith.

Originally posted by omgchos
She never actually took on an agent tho, as they were always told to run. Most of neos fighting prowess came from all his training. That whole there is no spoon thing. It was a mental block keeping him from beating smith. V managed to take down i think it was 8 men in the space of time it took one of them to reload. Hes definitely got the skills to take on smith. She was told to run because fighting an Agent means death as in everyone who did it before dies.

Smith took Morphius apart, and he was incredibly skilled as well. Probably equal to or better than V especially if you take into account the later movies.

Originally posted by Newjak
She was told to run because fighting an Agent means death as in everyone who did it before dies.

Smith took Morphius apart, and he was incredibly skilled as well. Probably equal to or better than V especially if you take into account the later movies.
Thats why i made sure to not use them lol. Otherwise smith roflstomps obciously.

Originally posted by omgchos
Thats why i made sure to not use them lol. Otherwise smith roflstomps obciously. I'm talking about if you take Morphius' feats from the later movies into account.

Even if you just rely on the feats for Morpheius from the first Matrix movie he himself would arguably beat V.

Smith can demolish Morphius, so I don't believe V will be able to beat Smith.

His best feat from what i remember was punching neo into that beam when they first fought. With the humans its all mind over matter as the matrix can be bent according to ones will power. Albeit to a small degree. With the agents they have a fixed amount of speed, power etc. If V can overcome that threshold then he can beat smith.

Originally posted by omgchos
His best feat from what i remember was punching neo into that beam when they first fought. With the humans its all mind over matter as the matrix can be bent according to ones will power. Albeit to a small degree. With the agents they have a fixed amount of speed, power etc. If V can overcome that threshold then he can beat smith. He could also jump 15 feet into the air, and jump across building rooftops across a street.

He was also better than or equal to Trinity and was an incredible martial artists.

He has feats above V plain and simple.

Smith wasn't skilled at all, just very strong and fast.

His punches were telegraphed, he didn't keep his guard up, hell, I can't remember him blocking a single punch.

He's still strong and fast enough to dominate V though.

Morpheus>Trinity>V.

And Agents are completely beyond normal human capacity through neurokinetic augmentation. Smith is thousands of times stronger and faster than V.

Neo had a copy of the Source Code because the Architect desinged him through genetic engineering to be empathetic to his human comrades so that when it was time for him to use the Source Code to pick the last humans to survive, he would. When he became aware and started visualizing the Matrix through code he had limitless capabilities. The Oracle also carried the Source Codes, when she became a Smith, that Smith had the same powers as Neo. Smith could replicate because when Neo erased him apart of his code was printed off onto Smith, the corrupting the program and allowing it to transfer in more than one body at a time, ergo duplicate - as Neo cut off Smith's normal ability to do so when deleting this operation and killing him...AKA corrupting his programming.

Smith rapes.

Smith is too strong, too fast, and too skilled for V. For those saying that Smith isn't a skilled fighter: Neo downloaded and mastered nearly every martial art he could get in the first movie... yet he barely survived a fist fight with Smith. Morpheus was also extremely trained, yet was beaten up by Smith. You may not see Smith doing some spinning Boyka kicks, but you can't deny that he is a very capable h2h fighter.

Plus he has that whole bullet-dodging, speed-punching feats... which is better than anything V has done.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Smith rapes.

Throw in Veidt at V's side just to make this more even.

Elrond

Megatron.


I win.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Smith is too strong, too fast, and too skilled for V. For those saying that Smith isn't a skilled fighter: Neo downloaded and mastered nearly every martial art he could get in the first movie... yet he barely survived a fist fight with Smith. Morpheus was also extremely trained, yet was beaten up by Smith. You may not see Smith doing some spinning Boyka kicks, but you can't deny that he is a very capable h2h fighter.

Plus he has that whole bullet-dodging, speed-punching feats... which is better than anything V has done. Smith is much stronger and faster than Neo and Morpheus.

He didn't beat them because he was the better fighter.

He uses no fancy supah wushu like everyone else, right, but that isn't why I say he isn't skilled.

I say he isn't skilled because of how heavily telegraphed his punches and kicks are, and the fact that he doesn't seem to be familiar with the concept of blocking. He and the other Agents get by on sheer power and resilience. Notice how when Smith grabs an opponent, it isn't for a hold or a takedown, he just bodily flings them with his superior strength.

I wouldn't say hes faster then Neo. I would say they are near the same speed....Neo a little faster maybe. Unless of course you meant in the first movie before Neo got shot at the end.

Yes, I meant the first movie specifically.

Why do you think Smith is faster?

They can both dodge bullets. The reason Neo got hit was because of the way he tried to dodge the bullets, which was retarded really, his legs were stationary, and his body was on the same plane the whole time.

That was the best Neo could do, he didn't have the ability to easily dodge them yet.

Originally posted by Placidity
Why do you think Smith is faster?

They can both dodge bullets. The reason Neo got hit was because of the way he tried to dodge the bullets, which was retarded really, his legs were stationary, and his body was on the same plane the whole time.

A. Read Mindset's post.

B. Smith was able to dominate Neo for a time with flurries of superspeed punches, Neo was on the ropes from that assault.

By showings, Smith had more raw speed.

Originally posted by omgchos
I never took they're spaz out bullet dodging to mean that they always movie that fast.

No did I. I was more like a special ability that was unlocked when needed to dodge bullets. If they could move that fast regularly, then they wouldn't be fighting at human speeds.

The only time Smith pulled out movement like that in a fight (before movie 3) was in a repeated sequence where he punches Neo in the chest in the first film.

Originally posted by Placidity
Why do you think Smith is faster?

They can both dodge bullets. The reason Neo got hit was because of the way he tried to dodge the bullets, which was retarded really, his legs were stationary, and his body was on the same plane the whole time.

Agents also dodged bullets by having their lower bodies remain stationary while only the upper body moves. That indicates that in the first movie at least (prior to the end), Neo wasn't quite as fast as an agent yet.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No did I. I was more like a special ability that was unlocked when needed to dodge bullets. If they could move that fast regularly, then they wouldn't be fighting at human speeds.

The only time Smith pulled out movement like that in a fight (before movie 3) was in a repeated sequence where he punches Neo in the chest in the first film.

No bullet dodger from any film always moves as fast as he's suppose to be.

Spiderman in the first film was fast enough that Flash's punches looked slow-mo yet we never seem him utilize super speed after that.

Yu-Law in the One mowed down police as they were in slow mo, but after that we never see him move in super speed again.

Heck, even Superman in just about every Superman movie (cartoons included) never really consistently moves at the speeds he's supposed to.

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One day I will be able to talk like Smith/Obama/Sagan.

BACK ON TOPIC

The Dude is WRONG! Nah, but even if he's right and dodging bullets is a special move, what does it even matter!?

The Agents were designed to take out people like Morpheus and the crew of the Neverkenezer. The free mind is dangerous because they can break the rules of the Matrix, to a small degree. The purpose of the Agents is to overpower the free mind, they are installed with the capability to kill any human who isn't Neo (who's mind contains the necessary coding know-how to rewrite the system as he sees fit).

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V is DEAD.

@ Mindset
@ Nemebro
@ FrothByte

Same special effect, he was moving at the same speed as the agents, just moving his body in a different way.

Smith doing a speed combo on Neo? Neo did the same to Morpheus in the training dojo.

Originally posted by Dolos
the crew of the Neverkenezer.


lol. Nebuchadnezzar.

Originally posted by Placidity
lol. Nebuchadnezzar.

I knew I couldn't possibly spell it correctly as I'm unfamiliar with the word, so I intentionally spelled it exactly how it sounded.

Yet you knew what I meant.

Ok. It was the name of a powerful Babylonian king.

It is a pretty badass name.

Originally posted by Placidity
@ Mindset
@ Nemebro
@ FrothByte

Same special effect, he was moving at the same speed as the agents, just moving his body in a different way.

Smith doing a speed combo on Neo? Neo did the same to Morpheus in the training dojo. I realize it was the same special effect, what does that have to do with my post?

He was not yet able to easily dodge bullets.

Originally posted by Placidity
Ok. It was the name of a powerful Babylonian king.

It is a pretty badass name.

That it is.

V wont dodge the bullets Smith sends his way and Smith continues the assault once V gets near enough for blade attacks.

Smith wins this with ease.

Get over it ya'll.