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Viktor's swords won't break up against the lightsaber. Who wins ?

Palpatine slays him easily. None of the vamps or werewolves in Underworld demonstrated anything capable of keeping pace with the flashes of Force speed shown in the SW films. Even moving quickly enough to catch a moving car is nowhere near what Force users demonstrate.

There's also nothing to show that Viktor will be able to resist any Force attacks against his mind, survive a powerful blast of TK or lightning, nor escape simply being held in place by the Force whilst Sidious guides his saber to decapitate him as he pleases.

Did Viktor ever display superspeed???

Cause that's his only advantage.

And Ascendancy when did Palpatine show such speed similar to what Obi and Anakin did?

Even then unless Viktor showed some amazing fencing that I'm unaware of, Palpatine destroys him.

Originally posted by Ascendancy
Palpatine slays him easily. None of the vamps or werewolves in Underworld demonstrated anything capable of keeping pace with the flashes of Force speed shown in the SW films. Even moving quickly enough to catch a moving car is nowhere near what Force users demonstrate.

There's also nothing to show that Viktor will be able to resist any Force attacks against his mind, survive a powerful blast of TK or lightning, nor escape simply being held in place by the Force whilst Sidious guides his saber to decapitate him as he pleases. So an attack that can't even hurt or defeat palpatine such as force tk somehow defeats the stronger Viktor. Please.

The force lightning also failed to impress me. Even despite a longer exposure such as what Luke had to deal with he was fine right afterwards.

Viktor wins.

Depends on where the fight takes place.

If in an enclosed area like the pit Lucien and Viktor fought in I can see Viktor overwhelming him with such a highly dense sword.

If the fight is in the council area in SW:III Palpatine wins easily.

If the fight takes place in a more even grounds. Like a 50 ft sq arena starting at 15 ft apart. I see Viktor being in trouble.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Depends on where the fight takes place.

If in an enclosed area like the pit Lucien and Viktor fought in I can see Viktor overwhelming him with such a highly dense sword.

If the fight is in the council area in SW:III Palpatine wins easily.

If the fight takes place in a more even grounds. Like a 50 ft sq arena starting at 15 ft apart. I see Viktor being in trouble. Viktor's speed is being underestimated here. We see his mortal enemy as a youth easily turn around and catch an arrow. That shows how impressive his reflexes and reaction time is even at a tender age. I also look at his fight against Michael the hybrid. The guy was supposed to be superior and but Viktor's battle savvy/skills still prevailed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Viktor's speed is being underestimated here. We see his mortal enemy as a youth easily turn around and catch an arrow. That shows how impressive his reflexes and reaction time is even at a tender age. I also look at his fight against Michael the hybrid. The guy was supposed to be superior and but Viktor's battle savvy/skills still prevailed.

He lost to Lucien though. Who was fast enough to outrun a speeding car.

I only vaguely remember Underworld III. But I do know how strong the Vamps and Lycans were in the films. Though their speed feats were "distance moving" feats and not combat ones as were the Jedis and Siths in the Star Wars films.

The Underworld characters are far stronger. But what in the fight showed Viktor being superior to Sith senses in regards to swordplay?

Originally posted by the ninjak
He lost to Lucien though. Who was fast enough to outrun a speeding car.

I only vaguely remember Underworld III. But I do know how strong the Vamps and Lycans were in the films. Though their speed feats were "distance moving" feats and not combat ones as were the Jedis and Siths in the Star Wars films.

The Underworld characters are far stronger. But what in the fight showed Viktor being superior to Sith senses in regards to swordplay? He only semi lost due to the circumstances. That chain battle and the sun put him at a disadvantage. Weakness exploitation. He was much younger and grew to be far more powerful in the first movie. Lucien caught an arrow as a youth while in combat with someone else. Viktor overpowered Raze in Lycan form. Easily.

Look at Michael's combat speed in the first movie against Viktor. Viktor still bested him. He had speed of his own and has the damage soak to prevail.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He only semi lost due to the circumstances. That chain battle and the sun put him at a disadvantage. Weakness exploitation. He was much younger and grew to be far more powerful in the first movie. Lucien caught an arrow as a youth while in combat with someone else. Viktor overpowered Raze in Lycan form. Easily.

Look at Michael's combat speed in the first movie against Viktor. Viktor still bested him. He had speed of his own and has the damage soak to prevail.

Viktor defeated the faster and enhanced Michael due to his inexperience in combat. Yet Selene had no problem slicing his head in half with a broadsword.
Whether it was his history with her that allowed him to hold back or not.

Michael has never been that impressive in the scheme of things in regards to the series. He never lived up to the hype.

Selene had the most impressive feats on screen. In particular the scene in Underworld II where she fought the Russian soldiers in the forest.



I'm blabbering. But what Viktor had over Michael and Lucien may give him an instinctual advantage over battle speed. And his insane strength may give him an edge in pressure.
But that's nothing the foresight of the Force and Force Pushing can't negate in the long run.

Not like the Emperor ever showed Force Pushing during a fight unless I'm mistaken. He seemed to rely on persuasion, jumping and Force Lighting as his 3 main weapons.
Which are the 3 reasons I give Viktor a chance at wins. Persuasion wont slow him down. Lightning wont either. And Jumping won't work in a tight environment. If sword met Light Saber Viktor would overpower him.

But only under tight circumstances.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Viktor defeated the faster and enhanced Michael due to his inexperience in combat. Yet Selene had no problem slicing his head in half with a broadsword.
Whether it was his history with her that allowed him to hold back or not.

Michael has never been that impressive in the scheme of things in regards to the series. He never lived up to the hype.

Selene had the most impressive feats on screen. In particular the scene in Underworld II where she fought the Russian soldiers in the forest.



I'm blabbering. But what Viktor had over Michael and Lucien may give him an instinctual advantage over battle speed. And his insane strength may give him an edge in pressure.
But that's nothing the foresight of the Force and Force Pushing can't negate in the long run.

Not like the Emperor ever showed Force Pushing during a fight unless I'm mistaken. He seemed to rely on persuasion, jumping and Force Lighting as his 3 main weapons.
Which are the 3 reasons I give Viktor a chance at wins. Persuasion wont slow him down. Lightning wont either. And Jumping won't work in a tight environment. If sword met Light Saber Viktor would overpower him.

But only under tight circumstances. Michael still had superior speed and stats. Selene caught him by surprise while he was locked in combat with Michael.

Michael showed off superior speed and did physically kill a weakened William Corvinus. Was Michael unstoppable ? No, but physically he was quite impressive.

Selene was still less than Viktor. She had the most screen time so of course she has the most feats.

Viktor would close the distance and kill him up close and personal. Palpatine would look to run against someone of Viktor's caliber. Viktor lived much longer and was an excellent war strategist/combatant.

I definitely see this as Viktor's fight.

Quan, you need to supply a locale for fights like this.

As I stated above. Palpatine can jump high into the sky and use his environment against his opponent. But if the fight takes place in a tight location Viktor can pound in. The fight is static.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Viktor defeated the faster and enhanced Michael due to his inexperience in combat. Yet Selene had no problem slicing his head in half with a broadsword.
Whether it was his history with her that allowed him to hold back or not.

Michael has never been that impressive in the scheme of things in regards to the series. He never lived up to the hype.

Selene had the most impressive feats on screen. In particular the scene in Underworld II where she fought the Russian soldiers in the forest.



I'm blabbering. But what Viktor had over Michael and Lucien may give him an instinctual advantage over battle speed. And his insane strength may give him an edge in pressure.
But that's nothing the foresight of the Force and Force Pushing can't negate in the long run.

Not like the Emperor ever showed Force Pushing during a fight unless I'm mistaken. He seemed to rely on persuasion, jumping and Force Lighting as his 3 main weapons.
Which are the 3 reasons I give Viktor a chance at wins. Persuasion wont slow him down. Lightning wont either. And Jumping won't work in a tight environment. If sword met Light Saber Viktor would overpower him.

But only under tight circumstances. A newborn Michael was kicking Victor's ass for awhile.

I'd say that alone makes him live up to the hype.

Can you imagine a just turned vamp or werewolf giving Victor any problems? He'd one shot them. Also Michael was able to take on the Originals like a year after transforming. The Vamp original easily killed a centuries old vampire.

Originally posted by Mindset
A newborn Michael was kicking Victor's ass for awhile.

I'd say that alone makes him live up to the hype.

Can you imagine a just turned vamp or werewolf giving Victor any problems? He'd one shot them. Also Michael was able to take on the Originals like a year after transforming. The Vamp original easily killed a centuries old vampire.

It took Viktor a while to adjust to Michael's movements. He healed all slashes instantly beforehand. And took all of his strikes like they didn't matter at all. He was surprised....yes. But eventually took him on, on his own terms and put him down.

My mentioning of Michael not living up to his hype was his petty capture in Underworld 4. A simple launched projectile in the chest that he could'nt just remove. The guy withstood multiple projectiles in earlier films yet couldn't rip a latched missile to the chest.

Originally posted by the ninjak
It took Viktor a while to adjust to Michael's movements. He healed all slashes instantly beforehand. And took all of his strikes like they didn't matter at all. He was surprised....yes. But eventually took him on, on his own terms and put him down.

My mentioning of Michael not living up to his hype was his petty capture in Underworld 4. A simple launched projectile in the chest that he could'nt just remove. The guy withstood multiple projectiles in earlier films yet couldn't rip a latched missile to the chest.

Yeah his capture was ass. One of the many problems i had with the movie. But the fact that Michael was even remotely a challenge for Viktor seconds after being "born" shows his amazing ability. And he fought pretty evenly against William who was much more powerful than Viktor.

And Viktor lost pretty embarrassingly to his daughter. And then later to Lucian. Both things i loathed about "Rise" btw. Neither one of them should have been even a minimal threat to him

EDIT: And iirc Lucian was holding his own against Viktor before sunlight was involved. Been awhile since i've seen it tho so i could be wrong. The whole "the older you the stronger you get" idea takes a dump in that series too many times for my liking.

Originally posted by juggerman
Yeah his capture was ass. One of the many problems i had with the movie. But the fact that Michael was even remotely a challenge for Viktor seconds after being "born" shows his amazing ability. And he fought pretty evenly against William who was much more powerful than Viktor.

And Viktor lost pretty embarrassingly to his daughter. And then later to Lucian. Both things i loathed about "Rise" btw. Neither one of them should have been even a minimal threat to him

It's also interesting to note how easily he dispatched the werewolves in the second movie, and him killing the first werewolv without any significant problems. Michael was, from my perspective, always somewhat limited by having been human, he didn't have the ferocity of the werewolves nor the cynical view of the vampires.

Originally posted by juggerman
Yeah his capture was ass. One of the many problems i had with the movie. But the fact that Michael was even remotely a challenge for Viktor seconds after being "born" shows his amazing ability. And he fought pretty evenly against William who was much more powerful than Viktor.

And Viktor lost pretty embarrassingly to his daughter. And then later to Lucian. Both things i loathed about "Rise" btw. Neither one of them should have been even a minimal threat to him

EDIT: And iirc Lucian was holding his own against Viktor before sunlight was involved. Been awhile since i've seen it tho so i could be wrong. The whole "the older you the stronger you get" idea takes a dump in that series too many times for my liking.

All these things. I agree.

But it is only important to focus on what Viktor was capable of in regards to this fight.
-He choked out a Lycan. A being famously stronger than a vampire.
-Defeated Michael, a hybrid when resorting to bare knuckle combat.
-Survived whatever damage brought upon in UW:3. Though he lost to unfair circumstances.

I'm not representing Viktor at all. But his ability to challenge a Sith Lord (Palpatine) in a tight area, with a sword that can repel a lightsaber.

Originally posted by the ninjak
It took Viktor a while to adjust to Michael's movements. He healed all slashes instantly beforehand. And took all of his strikes like they didn't matter at all. He was surprised....yes. But eventually took him on, on his own terms and put him down.

My mentioning of Michael not living up to his hype was his petty capture in Underworld 4. A simple launched projectile in the chest that he could'nt just remove. The guy withstood multiple projectiles in earlier films yet couldn't rip a latched missile to the chest. They didn't want Michael in UW4, they didn't care what happened to his character.

Originally posted by juggerman
Yeah his capture was ass. One of the many problems i had with the movie. But the fact that Michael was even remotely a challenge for Viktor seconds after being "born" shows his amazing ability. And he fought pretty evenly against William who was much more powerful than Viktor.

And Viktor lost pretty embarrassingly to his daughter. And then later to Lucian. Both things i loathed about "Rise" btw. Neither one of them should have been even a minimal threat to him

EDIT: And iirc Lucian was holding his own against Viktor before sunlight was involved. Been awhile since i've seen it tho so i could be wrong. The whole "the older you the stronger you get" idea takes a dump in that series too many times for my liking. Lucian was born a Lycan, he was the first of his kind, we don't know how powerful that made him.

Originally posted by the ninjak
All these things. I agree.

But it is only important to focus on what Viktor was capable of in regards to this fight.
-He choked out a Lycan. A being famously stronger than a vampire.
-Defeated Michael, a hybrid when resorting to bare knuckle combat.
-Survived whatever damage brought upon in UW:3. Though he lost to unfair circumstances.

I'm not representing Viktor at all. But his ability to challenge a Sith Lord (Palpatine) in a tight area, with a sword that can repel a lightsaber.

-Yes him killing Raze so effortlessly was extremely impressive.
-I gotta give him the Michael feat with a grain of salt tho. He was getting beat up early on by a guy that barely knew how to use his power while Viktor has had centuries to adapt.
-Survivng was easy enough since they all have healing factors. Losing is what kills me tho.



Very true. Also i'd like to point out how it's stated that "only the oldest and most powerful lycans" can transform at will yet Raze and the other "new borns" did so like a day after being turned. The whole thing is inconsistant as f*ck.

But based solely on movie protrayals i think Viktor should win

Originally posted by Mindset
They didn't want Michael in UW4, they didn't care what happened to his character.

Hence why I said he didn't live up to his hype.^

Originally posted by Mindset
Lucian was born a Lycan, he was the first of his kind, we don't know how powerful that made him.

He was pretty much the Underworld version of Blade. All the powers of a Lycan and none of the weaknesses. Yet all of his children were still werewolves yet didn't have the insatiable hunger and thirst of the original, and could change at will. Turning the tide of the battle.

To gauge Lucian's powerset is only in the films. But he certainly was a mutant and perceived his children as brutes.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Hence why I said he didn't live up to his hype.^



He was pretty much the Underworld version of Blade. All the powers of a Lycan and none of the weaknesses. Yet all of his children were still werewolves yet didn't have the insatiable hunger and thirst of the original, and could change at will. Turning the tide of the battle.

To gauge Lucian's powerset is only in the films. But he certainly was a mutant and perceived his children as brutes. But he did live up to the hype, as shown in every movie they wanted him in. They just used PIS for him to not be in UW4. That has no bearing on his power.

Yes, I'm aware of Lucian and his offspring. I'm saying he could have the strength of an older vamp because he was born a werewolf and not turned.

Originally posted by Mindset
But he did live up to the hype, as shown in every movie they wanted him in. They just used PIS for him to not be in UW4. That has no bearing on his power.

Yes, I'm aware of Lucian and his offspring. I'm saying he could have the strength of an older vamp because he was born a werewolf and not turned.

-Viktor would've destroyed him if not for Selene's interference.

-I'm unsure of your point in regards to Lucien. He had many years to achieve the power you mentioned yet got put down in the end.
It seems his only goal was Michael obtaining his wished legacy. Which I guess was Michael himself and that clone child. And the death of the vampires.
He succeeded.

Originally posted by the ninjak
-Viktor would've destroyed him if not for Selene's interference.

-I'm unsure of your point in regards to Lucien. He had many years to achieve the power you mentioned yet got put down in the end.
It seems his only goal was Michael obtaining his wished legacy. Which I guess was Michael himself and that clone child. And the death of the vampires.
He succeeded. He was like 3 minutes old. The fact that he was beating on Viktor at all was a testament to his power.

I don't even know what you're talking about here. I was talking about Lucian's fight with Viktor in the 3rd movie.

Originally posted by juggerman
-Yes him killing Raze so effortlessly was extremely impressive.
-I gotta give him the Michael feat with a grain of salt tho. He was getting beat up early on by a guy that barely knew how to use his power while Viktor has had centuries to adapt.
-Survivng was easy enough since they all have healing factors. Losing is what kills me tho.



Very true. Also i'd like to point out how it's stated that "only the oldest and most powerful lycans" can transform at will yet Raze and the other "new borns" did so like a day after being turned. The whole thing is inconsistant as f*ck.

But based solely on movie protrayals i think Viktor should win Movie portrayals had Lucian at elder Vamp level. They were the first turned Lycans by Lucian's bloodline, they may have made a difference. Michael was able to transform at will, although he was a hybrid, not long after he was transformed. That may or may not have had something to do with Lucian turning him.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Quan, you need to supply a locale for fights like this.

As I stated above. Palpatine can jump high into the sky and use his environment against his opponent. But if the fight takes place in a tight location Viktor can pound in. The fight is static. So basically you believe if Palpatine can jump away from him and hurl stuff with his tk he wins otherwise Viktor wins. The two fight in robtards room. 8 feet by 8 feet. No jokes about robtard's rooms size. He swore me to secrecy.

Originally posted by juggerman
Yeah his capture was ass. One of the many problems i had with the movie. But the fact that Michael was even remotely a challenge for Viktor seconds after being "born" shows his amazing ability. And he fought pretty evenly against William who was much more powerful than Viktor.

And Viktor lost pretty embarrassingly to his daughter. And then later to Lucian. Both things i loathed about "Rise" btw. Neither one of them should have been even a minimal threat to him

EDIT: And iirc Lucian was holding his own against Viktor before sunlight was involved. Been awhile since i've seen it tho so i could be wrong. The whole "the older you the stronger you get" idea takes a dump in that series too many times for my liking. With regards to his daughter and Viktor to me it's obvious he's holding back. It's his daughter and despite his actions he still loved her. Only when she told him about the child he knew he had to kill her. I think most would agree that in a fight to the death without holding back that Viktor would slaughter her.

Lucian used the sun to his advantage and fought while holding those chains. It was a weird fight but in Underworld One no one including him thought they could beat Viktor. Viktor was too strong in a fair fight for anyone at that time.

Viktor win not by speed but by inhuman quickness.

Originally posted by theTANTALIZER
Viktor win not by speed but by inhuman quickness. He was still quick enough to defeat Michael.

Originally posted by quanchi112
With regards to his daughter and Viktor to me it's obvious he's holding back. It's his daughter and despite his actions he still loved her. Only when she told him about the child he knew he had to kill her. I think most would agree that in a fight to the death without holding back that Viktor would slaughter her.

Lucian used the sun to his advantage and fought while holding those chains. It was a weird fight but in Underworld One no one including him thought they could beat Viktor. Viktor was too strong in a fair fight for anyone at that time.

I know but him being so far above her level how come he just couldn't disarm her without hurting her? It was just some stupid "let's have the good guy win" crap.

And Lucian was holding his own before he used light. And to make it even worse he was beaten badly, chained for about 24 hours with no food or water(it's shown they do need to eat/drink), and then he was shot with several arrows and looked to be near death moments before his fight with Viktor. It was just complete trash. Viktor should have wiped his ass with Lucian well before sunlight was even a factor. Hell iirc Viktor ran from Lucian at first. They really tried to make him look bad.

Viktor wasn't that much older than Lucian.

And like Marcus and William, Lucian was the first of his kind.

Originally posted by Mindset
Viktor wasn't that much older than Lucian.

And like Marcus and William, Lucian was the first of his kind.

What's "that much older"? It could have taken them very long to hunt down William. Even longer to establish the "two elders asleep with one awake" rule. And they would have to be pretty damn old to be considered "elders" among their dudes in the first place imo. Plus who knows how long it took the wolves they had captive for some reason to give birth to a weird humanish child.

Yeah none of that is actual proof but damn he shouldn't have looked so horrible. And if Lucian was given some amazing "first of his kind power" it should have been said somewhere. Right now it just looks like major PIS that he could beat Viktor like that.

Originally posted by juggerman
What's "that much older"? It could have taken them very long to hunt down William. Even longer to establish the "two elders asleep with one awake" rule. And they would have to be pretty damn old to be considered "elders" among their dudes in the first place imo. Plus who knows how long it took the wolves they had captive for some reason to give birth to a weird humanish child.

Yeah none of that is actual proof but damn he shouldn't have looked so horrible. And if Lucian was given some amazing "first of his kind power" it should have been said somewhere. Right now it just looks like major PIS that he could beat Viktor like that. Viktor was born in the 12th century, Lucian was born in the 12th century.

They showed he had some amazing "first of his kind power" when he dominated the wild werewolves. And when he was badass as a kid.

Lucian's victory over Viktor was absolute bullshit that contradicted the first movie, which hinged completely on Lucian's admitted need to become a hybrid:

Kraven: How do you expect me to assume control now that Viktor's awake? There's no defeating him. He grows stronger as we speak.

Lucian: And that is precisely why I need Michael.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Lucian's victory over Viktor was absolute bullshit that contradicted the first movie, which hinged completely on Lucian's admitted need to become a hybrid:

Kraven: How do you expect me to assume control now that Viktor's awake? There's no defeating him. He grows stronger as we speak.

Lucian: And that is precisely why I need Michael. They already killed one Vampire elder on the train, she was as old as Viktor iirc. If anything, he needed a hybrid for Marcus, who was stronger than Viktor.

Viktor was the first vampire Marcus turned, and Amelia was shortly after, but Viktor was the 2nd most powerful Vampire following the original Elder.

And that was in the 5th Century, not the 12th. Lucian wasn't born until the 13th Century.

So Viktor has several hundred years on Lucian, and Lucian being the "Elder" of the Lycans had more power than his progeny's, including the ability to control the werewolves, who before were only feral unless William was around, and even then they just attacked what he attacked.

Also, Amelia was killed because she was overwhelmed by sheer numbers. Remember how easily Viktor snapped Raze's neck, and he was the second most powerful Lycan around, only a few years younger than Lucian. But neither of them had even reached 800 years old by the time they died, and the vampires were over 1,500.

Yes, I know. Yes, I know.

Where are you getting he was turned in the 5th century and Lucian the 13th?

In any case, Amelia was taken out and she was about the same age as Viktor. Yes, but that means they don't need Michael to beat Viktor, they needed Michael to beat Viktor/Marcus and his army of death dealers.

Originally posted by Mindset
They already killed one Vampire elder on the train, she was as old as Viktor iirc. If anything, he needed a hybrid for Marcus, who was stronger than Viktor.

Don't take it up with me, take it up with Lucian. We don't know the circumstances of Amelia's death anyway. It might have required a dozen Lycans.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Don't take it up with me, take it up with Lucian. We don't know the circumstances of Amelia's death anyway. It might have required a dozen Lycans. No, I will take it up with you.

From Tanis. The Vampire historian who said so. Viktor was a Hungarian Warlord who was on death's doorstep when Marcus offered him immortality in exchange for his army to fight William's werewolves.

You're thinking he was born in the 12th century because they finally found William in 1202, but he was a vampire long before then.

Marcus and William were born in the 5th Century, and got infected in the 5th Century. It was still the 5th Century when William went on his rampage and Marcus found Viktor.

Whatever, he's still a *****.

Originally posted by juggerman
I know but him being so far above her level how come he just couldn't disarm her without hurting her? It was just some stupid "let's have the good guy win" crap.

And Lucian was holding his own before he used light. And to make it even worse he was beaten badly, chained for about 24 hours with no food or water(it's shown they do need to eat/drink), and then he was shot with several arrows and looked to be near death moments before his fight with Viktor. It was just complete trash. Viktor should have wiped his ass with Lucian well before sunlight was even a factor. Hell iirc Viktor ran from Lucian at first. They really tried to make him look bad. He was shocked at the time she even raised her sword to him. She's obviously more skilled and more athletic than he is. Viktor was obviously more powerful than her. Neither really intended on killing the other in combat.

Lucian was losing before he used the light. Then he boxed Viktor in and wrapped the chains around him. Lucian was obviously back to full strength as soon as he was freed. His movements during combat which preceded this were without hesitation. he was at the top of his game. Viktor did move away but showed he was Lucian's superior in combat. Viktor was also a lot more powerful in the Underworld one than he was at this time. He also took a sword right through the head like a boss. Viktor is one powerful guy.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Lucian's victory over Viktor was absolute bullshit that contradicted the first movie, which hinged completely on Lucian's admitted need to become a hybrid:

Kraven: How do you expect me to assume control now that Viktor's awake? There's no defeating him. He grows stronger as we speak.

Lucian: And that is precisely why I need Michael. It wasn't a legit victory at all. Viktor was getting the better of him prior to being boxed in due to sunlight. Viktor>Lucian.

In a physical contest with no weapons, Viktor is stronger than Lucian. That's shown by how easily he killed the 2nd most powerful Lycan in existence. And Viktor was hundreds of years older than Lucian, so his power was constantly beyond his.

Lucian probably looked better in that fight as he was constantly fighting and Viktor for the past couple hundred years sat in his throne room and was rusty.

Originally posted by KingD19
In a physical contest with no weapons, Viktor is stronger than Lucian. That's shown by how easily he killed the 2nd most powerful Lycan in existence. And Viktor was hundreds of years older than Lucian, so his power was constantly beyond his.

Lucian probably looked better in that fight as he was constantly fighting and Viktor for the past couple hundred years sat in his throne room and was rusty. Even in the fight Viktor looked to be superior. I think he was leaving because he knew his forces were going to be overrun by the Lycans.