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Bruce vs Craig

Craig breaks him. McClane can't beat anybody.

007 wins 10/10

Lol

Lol indeed.

McClane gets dominated. Again.

Originally posted by Robtard
Lol indeed. Lolz?

Meh, Craig didn't seem that impressive.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Meh, Craig didn't seem that impressive. Look who he is up against though.

I don't recall Craig dishing out anything impressive in h2h in any of his Bond films. In terms of durability he is certainly below John "punching-bag" McClane.

McClane wins this.

007 rapes. MI6 agent > street cop.

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
Lolz?

Lolz + 1

Of course, if people read The Rules this would be a lot less confusing.

Just saying.

Originally posted by Stigma
I don't recall Craig dishing out anything impressive in h2h in any of his Bond films.


lol

Originally posted by quanchi112
Look who he is up against though.

A guy who's steamrolled 5 movies worth of thieves and terrorists?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Meh, Craig didn't seem that impressive. This.

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
This.

You didn't watch the movies then

Mhm I did.

So since John is "unbreakable" not even James Bond can take him from Rob's delusional mind.

Originally posted by Supra
So since John is "unbreakable" not even James Bond can take him from Rob's delusional mind.

Strawman argument used for the purposes of trolling

Originally posted by Robtard
Strawman argument used for the purposes of trolling

Can John beat 007 in a fight, its a simple question and this thread was created days ago, try spinning that one.

Hrmm, well, since the OP outlayed no rules (as Impediment pointed out) what is involved in this vs Supra? Pure H2H? Gunbattle? All out? Where is this fight to take place? Who has what equipment?

We need all this stuff outlined in the OP, that's why the rules say that OPs must be detailed...

Originally posted by Robtard
Strawman argument used for the purposes of trolling

This thread was made days ago, so again your wrong. Can John's "unbreakable durability" be broken by 007?

Originally posted by Supra
This thread was made days ago, so again your wrong. Can John's "unbreakable durability" be broken by 007?

Look up what a "strawman argument" implies. It has nothing to do with some odd statute of limitations you're implying.

Originally posted by Robtard
Strawman argument used for the purposes of trolling

You refuse to have an actual debate about this?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Hrmm, well, since the OP outlayed no rules (as Impediment pointed out) what is involved in this vs Supra? Pure H2H? Gunbattle? All out? Where is this fight to take place? Who has what equipment?

We need all this stuff outlined in the OP, that's why the rules say that OPs must be detailed...

Hand to Hand first, after that is decided we could discuss a gun battle if you wish.

Originally posted by Supra
You refuse to have an actual debate about this?

Opening up with a strawman isn't the way to engage someone to an "actual debate". Just an FYI.

007 definitely wins h2h.

Originally posted by Robtard
Opening up with a strawman isn't the way to engage someone to an "actual debate". Just an FYI.

Are you going to debate or not?

Originally posted by FrothByte
007 definitely wins h2h.

Well apparently rob said John has superhuman durability so how would 007 blows be any more powerful then jack reachers who are not superhuman themselves? Although 007 took a high powered rifle bullet to the chest and survived prolly a 300 foot drop into a river. Dose that qualify as superhuman durability?

Originally posted by Supra
Well apparently rob said John has superhuman durability

Why not watch the DH films before debating? That would save a lot of trouble.

Originally posted by Robtard
Why not watch the DH films before debating? That would save a lot of trouble.

I have watched them all, please stop saying that. I admit he can take a beating and get back up, just like I said MoS could take a beating and get back up ok, but can he take 007?

You still clearly don't think McClane's durability is above normal human limits though. So which DH films have you watched?

Originally posted by Robtard
You still clearly don't think McClane's durability is above normal human limits though. So which DH films have you watched?

All of them, but I don't recall him going up against trained killers on the lvl of 007 or Jack Reacher was my point.

I suggest you watch the DH flicks again then.

McClane doesn't win by being a better fighter than his opponents, as he almost always isn't.

Originally posted by Robtard
I suggest you watch the DH flicks again then.

McClane doesn't win by being a better fighter than his opponents, as he almost always isn't.

Are you spinning or not, you said he clearly takes Jack Reacher, so can he beat 007 as well, its a simple question. Reacher and 007 have similar fighting skills and training.

Not.

I said he takes Reacher cos you didn't prove that Reacher could properly break McClane.

Reacher is an MP. Bond is MI6. Not really similar at all.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not.

I said he takes Reacher cos you didn't prove that Reacher could properly break McClane.

Reacher is an MP. Bond is MI6. Not really similar at all.

But Reacher is no stronger then 007, a hit is a hit, and if John can tank a hit with his superhuman durability then why could he not tank a hit from 007? Watch their fighting skills, they are almost exactly the same. They rely on fighting skills and quickness with death blows to undo their opponents.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not.

I said he takes Reacher cos you didn't prove that Reacher could properly break McClane.

Reacher is an MP. Bond is MI6. Not really similar at all.

Why is Supra still talking about Reacher vs McClane?

Want a like comparison:

Bond crashes an Aston Martin, a car with very cramped interior space and little room to flop about; not to mention built-up by MI6 and likely reinforced. He's out of commission:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTYwDTRv0XI

McClane crashes a Unimog, lots of room to flop about in. He walks out of the vehicle and is fine. He actually gets hit by a G-Class Benz right after, but that was cut out in this clip:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V2w0PTIXXs

Welcome to the Church of McClane

Your comparing a up armored military tank against a high speed chase ending in the car doing barrel rolls? That tank was wiping out half the city and kept going..how is that even fair?

Originally posted by Supra
Your comparing a up armored military tank against a high speed chase ending in the car doing barrel rolls? That tank was wiping out half the city and kept going..how is that even fair?

What you said above tells me that you haven't actually watched DH5 nor did you pay attention to that clip I posted. Shame on you.

McClane was in a Unimog. The villians were in the MRAP.

Originally posted by Robtard
What you said above tells me that you haven't actually watched DH5 nor did you pay attention to that clip I posted. Shame on you.

McClane was in a Unimog. The villians were in the MRAP.

What does this have to do with a hand to hand?

John's Unimog crash was nothing compared to 007's anyways. Your not making a strong stance with that..He was going insane fast in the Aston Martin and still survived.

Originally posted by Supra
What does this have to do with a hand to hand?

John's Unimog crash was nothing compared to 007's anyways. Your not making a strong stance with that..He was going insane fast in the Aston Martin.

"What does durability have to do in a fight?" That's essentially the question you're asking. Silly, no?

And now the downplaying starts. They were both very brutal crashes, yet one guy is out of commission and the other guy is fine. Really see no reason to continue since you'll dismiss evidence, even before actually watching it. The biased wall is thick.

Originally posted by Robtard
"What does durability have to do in a fight?" That's essentially the question you're asking. Silly, no?

And now the downplaying starts. They were both very brutal crashes, yet one guy is out of commission and the other guy is fine. Really see no reason to continue since you'll dismiss evidence, even before actually watching it. The biased wall is thick.

How fast was John going when he crashed? And how on earth are those crashes comparable..his Unimog didn't even flip one, it slid on its side. James was going well over 100mph to make that car flip the way it did and he didn't even die. Thats just as much durability imo.

Originally posted by Robtard

McClane was in a Unimog. The villians were in the MRAP.

Where did I say he wasn't in the Unimog?

Originally posted by Supra
How fast was John going when he crashed? And how on earth are those crashes comparable..his Unimog didn't even flip one, it slid on its side. James was going well over 100mph to make that car flip the way it did and he didn't even die. Thats just as much durability imo.

You're not even watching that clip I posted. The Unimog flips several times over what appears to be about 10 parked cars.

Bond, easily.

McClane is out of his league here. in a cat and mouse game, McClane may have a better chance but in a straight up fist fight, Bond walks away every time.

McClane is definitely out of his league here.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're not even watching that clip I posted. The Unimog flips several times over what appears to be about 10 parked cars.

I watched it three times!! What does that have to do with a fight fight between 007 and John?

Originally posted by Supra
I watched it three times!!

What does that have to do with a fight fight between 007 and John?

Then why do you keep claming McClane was never is a horrific accident where he flipped multiple times and walked out like a champ? Odd, no.

We covered that already:

Originally posted by Robtard
"What does durability have to do in a fight?" That's essentially the question you're asking. Silly, no?

Bond is on another level in skill and has been in grander schemes up against superior opponents than Johnny boy.

Originally posted by Robtard
Then why do you keep claming McClane was never is a horrific accident where he flipped multiple times and walked out like a champ? Odd, no.

We covered that already:

OK so he has better durability and beats 007?

Originally posted by Supra
OK so he has better durability and beats 007? Notice how rob avoids the question while proclaiming he isn't biased.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Notice how rob avoids the question while proclaiming he isn't biased.

He want to bring a car crash into a hand to hand fight. If John is so durable in Robs eyes then his logic would be 007 blows would realize him.

Originally posted by Supra
He want to bring a car crash into a hand to hand fight. If John is so durable in Robs eyes then his logic would be 007 blows would realize him. I guess if you survive a car crash that means you can beat UFC fighter. Factor in height somewhere because McClaniacs just say the darnedest things.

Jack and James have the Sam fighting style and systematic fighting style. They both go for crippling attacks as we are training in the military to do so. To endure your opponent dead or disabled within less then 2 hits. Knee break, hit to the face. Arm break, knee break and so one. The hits are designed for multiple person take down so you spend less time per person and move to the next.

Originally posted by Supra
Jack and James have the similar fighting style and systematic fighting style. They both go for crippling attacks as we are training in the military to do so. To endure your opponent dead or disabled within less then 2 hits. Knee break, hit to the face. Arm break, knee break and so one. The hits are designed for multiple person take down so you spend less time per person and move to the next.

You two are absolutely precious when you're raging and stroking each other's shafts

ps, try and keep the strawmanning down to under a 5

Originally posted by Robtard
You two are absolutely precious when you're raging and stroking each other's shafts

ps, try and keep the strawmanning down to under a 5 Who wins ?

Originally posted by Robtard
You two are absolutely precious when you're raging and stroking each other's shafts

ps, try and keep the strawmanning down to under a 5

Why don't you chime in and say who wins then since your known for being in biased in your statements and only serve truths

It's utterally amazing that between the two of you brainiacs, you have yet to deduce who I think wins here

"Spoon feed me and use small words!" -you

Originally posted by Robtard
It's utterally amazing that between the two of you brainiacs, you have yet to deduce who I think wins here

"Spoon feed me and sue small words!" -you

Good so 007 beats the shit out of him and his superhuman durability fails.

Originally posted by Supra
Good so 007 beats the shit out of him and his superhuman durability fails.

Based on?

When has McClane's durability failed before?

Originally posted by Robtard
Based on?

When has McClane's durability failed before?

When he gets his ass kicked by that girl? 007 has taken high caliber bullet to the chest on top of a moving train then fell over 300 feet into a river and survived.

McClane is not superhuman. He's still susceptible to getting dislocated limbs or getting choked out. Just because he hasn't been shown to get KO'd before doesn't mean he is incapable of getting KO'd. That's no limits fallacy.

McClane can still win against 007 of course, but I think it will be more to his insane luck than due to skill or durability. For the majority though, 007 is just a better skilled, physically superior fighter than him.

Originally posted by FrothByte
McClane is not superhuman. He's still susceptible to getting dislocated limbs or getting choked out. Just because he hasn't been shown to get KO'd before doesn't mean he is incapable of getting KO'd. That's no limits fallacy.

McClane can still win against 007 of course, but I think it will be more to his insane luck than due to skill or durability. For the majority though, 007 is just a better skilled, physically superior fighter than him.

Here is one example of his fighting style, facing a armed opponet who caught him by surprise, 007 still wins.

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Originally posted by Robtard
It's utterally amazing that between the two of you brainiacs, you have yet to deduce who I think wins here

"Spoon feed me and use small words!" -you So you believe Bond wins but don't have the guts to say it. Amusing.

Originally posted by Robtard
Based on?

When has McClane's durability failed before? No limits fallacy, clown.

Originally posted by COG Veteran
MI6 agent > street cop.

Best post yet.

Originally posted by FrothByte
McClane is not superhuman.

He's still susceptible to getting dislocated limbs or getting choked out. Just because he hasn't been shown to get KO'd before doesn't mean he is incapable of getting KO'd. That's no limits fallacy.

McClane can still win against 007 of course, but I think it will be more to his insane luck than due to skill or durability. For the majority though, 007 is just a better skilled, physically superior fighter than him.

So normal humans can not only survive what McClane has, but walk away with little to no injuries?

Correct. No one argued he's invulnerable like say Superman.

A fair assessment and I have already noted that 007 > McClane in skills.

Originally posted by Robtard
So normal humans can not only survive what McClane has, but walk away with little to no injuries?

Correct. No one argued he's invulnerable like say Superman.

A fair assessment and I have already noted that 007 > McClane in skills. Turncoat. You make Sadako sick.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No limits fallacy, clown.

Even though you make no limit fallacies all the time, you still don't know what one is

Originally posted by quanchi112
Turncoat. You make Sadako sick.

Reading comprehension fail again.

Originally posted by Robtard
Even though you make no limit fallacies all the time, you still don't know what one is You implying he can't be ko'd and the like is such. Ak killing someone not so much.

Originally posted by Robtard
Reading comprehension fail again. Who wins ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You implying he can't be ko'd and the like is such.

Ak killing someone not so much.

Stop lying. I did not imply that at all.

Stop crying in here over your inability to prove AK works somewhere else. Go tear in the proper thread

Originally posted by Robtard
Stop lying. I did not imply that at all.

Stop crying in here over your inability to prove AK works somewhere else. Go tear in the proper thread

Its a simple question, who do you think wins Rob?

Originally posted by Robtard
Stop lying. I did not imply that at all.

Stop crying in here over your inability to prove AK works somewhere else. Go tear in the proper thread Can't you even give an answer. Such cowardice.

Pretending I didn't already answer when I did is trolling

Bond survives high powered sniper gunfire and a hard fall.

umRpwW_PuxM

Originally posted by Robtard
Pretending I didn't already answer when I did is trolling Say the winner now.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Say the winner now.

This thread is only 5 pages long. Don't tell me you forgot where I responded to your clownishness already.

Originally posted by Robtard
This thread is only 5 pages long. Don't tell me you forgot where I responded to your clownishness already. Name the page number.

Originally posted by Robtard
This thread is only 5 pages long. Don't tell me you forgot where I responded to your clownishness already.

He thinks Johns "unbreakable durability" can stop 007 crippling attacks, when clearly 007 has greater durability then John. Only way to stop 007 is friendly fire from a sniper rifle to get dropped off the train and lived through it. John got his ass straight tossed off because the guy was tired of being bitten.

Originally posted by Supra
He thinks Johns "unbreakable durability" can stop 007 crippling attacks, when clearly 007 has greater durability then John. Only way to stop 007 is friendly fire from a sniper rifle to get dropped off the train and lived through it. John got his ass straight tossed off because the guy was tired of being bitten. Biting another man in combat is so girlie. How can anyone get behind someone like that. McClane also proves to be a shitty husband and hits women when they turn around.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Name the page number.

4. That means you forgot after a page

Originally posted by quanchi112
Biting another man in combat is so girlie. How can anyone get behind someone like that. McClane also proves to be a shitty husband and hits women when they turn around.

He learned from the best girls, ass kicking ninja chicks and his bitchy ass wife, why would't he fight like one?

Originally posted by Supra
He thinks Johns "unbreakable durability" can stop 007 crippling attacks, when clearly 007 has greater durability then John. Only way to stop 007 is friendly fire from a sniper rifle to get dropped off the train and lived through it. John got his ass straight tossed off because the guy was tired of being bitten.

Your rage has you replying to my post thinking it's Quanchi

Originally posted by Robtard
So normal humans can not only survive what McClane has, but walk away with little to no injuries?

Correct. No one argued he's invulnerable like say Superman.

A fair assessment and I have already noted that 007 > McClane in skills.

Reacher beats McClane is h2h skills but you said those crippling blows had zero affect on John so my would 007's, how does John's durability change based on who he is fighting? Isn't in universal?

Originally posted by Robtard
4. That means you forgot after a page So Bond wins, brilliant.

Originally posted by Supra
He learned from the best girls, ass kicking ninja chicks and his bitchy ass wife, why would't he fight like one? He is one of the worst heroes I have ever seen.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is one of the worst heroes I have ever seen.

He's not a hero though, he's aways in the right place at the wrong time and usually causes mass destruction every where he goes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So Bond wins, brilliant.

Reading comprehension fail yet again.

Originally posted by Robtard
4. That means you forgot after a page

How does his superhuman durability get bested by 007 then if no one else can best it?

Originally posted by Supra
Reacher beats McClane is h2h skills but you said those crippling blows had zero affect on John so my would 007's, how does John's durability change based on who he is fighting? Isn't in universal?

Strawman, never implied McClane's durability changes with opponents. I've said his durability increases with each subsequent film. Are you confusing that?

Originally posted by Robtard
Reading comprehension fail yet again. So McClane wins iyo ?

Originally posted by Robtard
Strawman, never implied McClane's durability changes with opponents. I've said his durability increases with each subsequent film. Are you confusing that?

Originally posted by Robtard
Strawman, never implied McClane's durability changes with opponents. I've said his durability increases with each subsequent film. Are you confusing that?

You said in the Jack vs John thread his superhuman durability could not be bested by him, so how can his superhuman durability be now bested by 007?

Originally posted by quanchi112


If you actually watched the DH films, you'd know McClane gets more and more unrealistic with each film; like it or not, this is a fact

But that's your thing, debating from ignorance and youtube clips

Originally posted by Supra
You said in the Jack vs John thread his superhuman durability could not be bested by him, so how can his superhuman durability be now bested by 007? Rob is dancing all over the map. He can't even admit plainly who he believes wins. No guts no glory for the fan of McBiter.

You two are the cutest couple when you get together to make a strawman

Originally posted by Robtard
You two are the cutest couple when you get together to make a strawman Bond wins.

Originally posted by Robtard
So normal humans can not only survive what McClane has, but walk away with little to no injuries?

Correct. No one argued he's invulnerable like say Superman.

A fair assessment and I have already noted that 007 > McClane in skills.

Normal humans? No. Movie action heroes? Yes. McClane has had impressive durability feats, but so has other action heroes like Rambo, Conan, Frank Martin, every freakin Arnold schwarzenegger character, etc.. All of them has had feats that normal humans shouldn't be able to do and yet they do them even if their characters are still just "human".

In any case like I said, 007 isn't undefeatable. Especially Craig version. He's definitely no Jason Bourne and so McClane should get a few wins. But I still think 007 gets majority. Better skill, better training, and better physicality overall.

Originally posted by Robtard
You two are the cutest couple when you get together to make a strawman

You accuse me of saying the same thing over and over yet you do the same thing, I will remember this strawman.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Normal humans? No. Movie action heroes? Yes. McClane has had impressive durability feats, but so has other action heroes like Rambo, Conan, Frank Martin, every freakin Arnold schwarzenegger character, etc.. All of them has had feats that normal humans shouldn't be able to do and yet they do them even if their characters are still just "human".

In any case like I said, 007 isn't undefeatable. Especially Craig version. He's definitely no Jason Bourne and so McClane should get a few wins. But I still think 007 gets majority. Better skill, better training, and better physicality overall.

I was under the impression you were saying McClane was like a normal human in terms of what he can survive. So I have no issue with that you said now clarifying your stance.

Then we're not in disagreement by a large margin and I see no reason to continue.

Originally posted by Robtard
I was under the impression you were saying McClane was like a normal human in terms of what he can survive. So I have no issue with that you said now clarifying your stance.

Then we're not in disagreement by a large margin and I see no reason to continue.

No you seem to think his "unbreakable durability" can take anyone, a death blow is a death blow, the same blows can be delivered by 007 and Reacher but yet you think Reachers hits realize zero damage but now 007's can break him..

Flip Flop.

Originally posted by Supra
No you seem to think his "unbreakable durability" can take anyone, a death blow is a death blow, the same blows can be delivered by 007 and Reacher but yet you think Reachers hits realize zero damage but now 007's can break him..

Flip Flop.

The big boys are having a conversation. Just sit on the sidelines and watch the magic; maybe you can learn something

This is actually a double standard to bring up in the "JMvsJR" thread, not here.

If there's no disagreement Bond loses, the case is closed.

Originally posted by Lestov16
This is actually a double standard to bring up in the "JMvsJR" thread, not here.

If there's no disagreement Bond loses, the case is closed.

How can one guys blows not affect John, but 007's can, that's the point, they are both systematic fighters. They hit the same, not one is said to be stronger then the other. Thats the point.

I understand your point (it's a "double standard", but here is not the appropriate place to make it. That is my point.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I understand your point (it's a "double standard", but here is not the appropriate place to make it. That is my point.

Roger that