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Georges Batroc from The Winter Soldier vs Bale Batman

H2H only

Bloodlusted

Batroc beats him silly then he goes for a croissant and a baguette.

Bruce couldn't even handle Ra's, and only his arm blades allowed him to not die by a sword to the face.

is baleman wearing his suit?

Originally posted by marwash22
is baleman wearing his suit?

Of coarse! He does not leave home without it

Anyone who can give Captain America a hard time would cripple Batman.

Batroc wins.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Anyone who can give Captain America a hard time would cripple Batman.

Captain never fought someone like that before. Soon as he adjusted he took him down 5 seconds later Batman has fought ninjas in spades.

dunno.

Batroc wasn't Superhuman at all, just a really good fighter, definitely better than Baleman, but it's not like he was on Cap's physical level, not even Bane's level.

He'd work Baleman over, but I think Baleman can eek out the win due to (suit enhanced) durability.Originally posted by FrothByte
Anyone who can give Captain America a hard time would cripple Batman. Cap all but one-shot him.

Originally posted by marwash22
dunno.

Batroc wasn't Superhuman at all, just a really good fighter, definitely better than Baleman, but it's not like he was on Cap's physical level, not even Bane's level.

He'd work Baleman over, but I think Baleman can eek out the win due to (suit enhanced) durability. Cap all but one-shot him.

Hell ya, someone actually saw the movie and watched the fight, Silent hasn't even seen it and declared a winner, he was asking in another thread how the movie began

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Captain never fought someone like that before. Soon as he adjusted he took him down 5 seconds later Batman has fought ninjas in spades.

Considering that Batroc is only human and yet Cap didn't run him over like he did those dozen shield agents in the elevator, I'd say Batroc was pretty impressive.

Anyway, we all agree that Batman loses I think?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Anyone who can give Captain America a hard time would cripple Batman.

Except, he didn't. Once Cap quit playing around he utterly dominated Batroc.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Considering that Batroc is only human and yet Cap didn't run him over like he did those dozen shield agents in the elevator, I'd say Batroc was pretty impressive.

Anyway, we all agree that Batman loses I think?

He was a class above those guys, just like cap was a class above all them. Cap took out most by surprise. We seen batman take down rooms of ninjas and armed thugs with his bare hands at one time.

Considering Batmans training, and being in a weakened state and taking on Bane the second time.

I think Bats could cut a win out with his suit and training. Cap would have been decimated without his superhuman durability. Bats suit gives him similar durability of sorts.

I think Bats has a good shot.

Bat's suit also makes him slow and clunky...

wait, is this prime Baleman, or TDKR Baleman?

We generally use the most current version, unless stated otherwise.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Bat's suit also makes him slow and clunky...

Didn't seem to affect him much against his ninja peers and I thought he upgraded his suit to be less clunky and be able to maneuver better. That suit has been nothing but good to him, I don't see it ever hurting him in any ways, thats his main defense.

Originally posted by Silent Master
We generally use the most current version, unless stated otherwise.

Sure take the "he's weak and old version" in your quest tot topple the caped crusader. He still beat Bane down hard.

Originally posted by Silent Master
We generally use the most current version, unless stated otherwise. lol, well in that case Baleman is phucked.

Originally posted by marwash22
lol, well in that case Baleman is phucked.

The broken down bat beat Bane the second time.

So?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So?

So you never saw the movie

Batroc is too fast and too strong.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So you never saw the movie

Most of the Batroc fight has been posted on youtube.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Most of the Batroc fight has been posted on youtube.

Cough up the money and go see the real movie cheap guy, then come weigh in with a real based answer.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The broken down bat beat Bane the second time. Baleman beat bane buy breaking his mouth thingy.

Batroc doesn't have a mouth thingy.

The suit DID make him slow and clunky. Did you watch his fights? Even with all of those angle movement shot tricks that he tried, it was obvious he was very stiff and not particularly swift.

Batroc is way too agile and skilled from what we briefly saw. And based on the hits he took from Steve, he can take anythig Bruce can dish out in stride.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Bats suit gives him similar durability of sorts.



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Am I forgetting an instance when regular dudes were unable to affect him or something?

Also, he's not in the same tier as Steve durability. For example, that fall at the end of the Dark Knight would not have left Steve crippled. as a matter of fact, he'd have been perfectly fine. I also remember that roll down from the roof in Begins hurting him something fierce.

Then you have shit like Steve bouncing back from a Chitauri blast, his RPG and bunker feat etc. and it's not even a contest.

Also, wasn't Batman taken down by a small knife between the ribs from Talia? The armor combined with the cape allows him to take some large falls but other then that, it's lightweight Kevlar.

Batroc gives him an ass-kicking

Originally posted by marwash22
Baleman beat bane buy breaking his mouth thingy.

Batroc doesn't have a mouth thingy.

Nah but he's got a mouth

Batman is basically super human with that suit.

Banes punches that were breaking pillars didn't even break his suit, and when he was beating batman on the head on the weakest part of his suit it took quiet a few blows to break his mask. That says a lot about his suits durability.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The suit DID make him slow and clunky. Did you watch his fights? Even with all of those angle movement shot tricks that he tried, it was obvious he was very stiff and not particularly swift.

Batroc is way too agile and skilled from what we briefly saw. And based on the hits he took from Steve, he can take anythig Bruce can dish out in stride.





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Am I forgetting an instance when regular dudes were unable to affect him or something?

Also, he's not in the same tier as Steve durability. For example, that fall at the end of the Dark Knight would not have left Steve crippled. as a matter of fact, he'd have been perfectly fine. I also remember that roll down from the roof in Begins hurting him something fierce.

Then you have shit like Steve bouncing back from a Chitauri blast, his RPG and bunker feat etc. and it's not even a contest.

Also, wasn't Batman taken down by a small knife between the ribs from Talia? The armor combined with the cape allows him to take some large falls but other then that, it's lightweight Kevlar.

Bale asked for a suit that was more agile and light wight, it still stopped banes blows, Fox also told him that if he changed the design of the suit that it would not stop a knife anymore.

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Yeah, definitely superhuman durability......

It's made from tough material and provides cushion but can we please not pretend that Batroc would have absolutely any trouble hurting or rocking Batman.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Bale asked for a suit that was more agile and light wight, it still stopped banes blows, Fox also told him that if he changed the design of the suit that it would not stop a knife anymore.

It survived Bane's blows sure, but Bane had absolutely no trouble kicking his ass. No one is saying Batroc is going to have to shred the suit or anything.

Again:
It's made from tough material and provides cushion but can we please not pretend that Batroc would have absolutely any trouble hurting or rocking Batman.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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Yeah, definitely superhuman durability......

It's made from tough material and provides cushion but can we please not pretend that Batroc would have absolutely any trouble hurting or rocking Batman.

Like I previously said, he changed the design of the suit which Fox advised him against and told him it would not longer stop a knife.

Tougher people in all movies and in this movie have tried to take down Batman for good and failed.

Bat in a weaker broken state took down Bane.

Batroc's blows are on no shape or form on the level of Banes to hurt Batman.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Like I previously said, he changed the design of the suit which Fox advised him against and told him it would not longer stop a knife.

1. Which movie?

2. If he was wearing it by the point he was fighting Ra's or even Joker, then it is the suit he'll be wearing in this thread so how does this fact change anything?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Tougher people in all movies and in this movie have tried to take down Batman for good and failed.

Bat in a weaker broken state took down Bane.

Yup. With varying circumstances in play. This will mostly a 1 on 1 h2h. Although Batroc is tougher then Joker, Ra's, and right up there with Bane.

Sure, by hitting a big giant weakspot. Before that, he was almost entirely on the defensive and getting his ass beat up so it's irrelevant here.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Batroc's blows are on no shape or form on the level of Banes to hurt Batman.

Did you miss the part where I posted Ra's, one of Joker's goons and Joker etc. hurting him just fine? Do you have some scene in mind where someone FAILED to hurt Batman to support your argument?

Second Movie, Bruce asks for a different suit and was warned that it would not stop a knife. That same movie guess what, Joker pulls a knife on him in his foot and stabs him.

Same happened in the third.

Isn't hitting someone in the mouth repeatedly a giant weak spot weather your Bane or Batroc?

Where did Batroc have knife?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Second Movie, Bruce asks for a different suit and was warned that it would not stop a knife. That same movie guess what, Joker pulls a knife on him in his foot and stabs him.

Same happened in the third.

Isn't hitting someone in the mouth repeatedly a giant weak spot weather your Bane or Batroc?

So Batman has that same suit in this thread as it is the most recent.

Also, Ra's had no trouble hurting him just fine in the first movie. He was f*cked up by the slide off from the roof and so on. I didn't even notice any durability change from suit to suit. He was still a very human guy in some kevlar for all intents and purposes.

Smh. Bane has an apparatus that when broken, causes him to have agonizing pain. That's completely different from taking a punch to the face.

Besides, Batroc bounced back from an elbow, shoulder check with the shield, and a kick to the face from Captain America. He can take anything Batman throws at him in stride. If by some miracle Bruce can land a hit.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So Batman has that same suit in this thread as it is the most recent.

Also, Ra's had no trouble hurting him just fine in the first movie. He was f*cked up by the slide off from the roof and so on. I didn't even notice any durability change from suit to suit. He was still a very human guy in some kevlar for all intents and purposes.

Smh. Bane has an apparatus that when broken, causes him to have agonizing pain. That's completely different from taking a punch to the face.

Besides, Batroc bounced back from an elbow, shoulder check with the shield, and a kick to the face from Captain America. He can take anything Batman throws at him in stride. If by some miracle Bruce can land a hit.

Batman took Bane down in his prime while he was weakend. Now your suggesting in that other thread that because he gave Cap 3 seconds of trouble from his jumping his automatically better then anyone in Batmans Universe including Bane.

Bane would wipe he floor with Batrog.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Batman took Bane down in his prime while he was weakend. Now your suggesting in that other thread that because he gave Cap 3 seconds of trouble from his jumping his automatically better then anyone in Batmans Universe including Bane.

Bane would wipe he floor with Batrog.

Because Bane had a huge weakness. What about that huge factor are you not grasping?

I was kidding about that but he is on the same level as Bane imo.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because Bane had a huge weakness. What about that huge factor are you not grasping?

I was kidding about that but he is on the same level as Bane imo.

Bane would uttery rage stomp Batrog, he would crush him beyond belief, laugh at his jumping around and break his face the same way he broke everyone else incuding stone columns at the court house.

Batman better get a serious upgrade in the next movie, it would be nice for him to win a match for once.

Originally posted by playa1258
Batman better get a serious upgrade in the next movie, it would be nice for him to win a match for once.



I guess beating Bane after having his back broken doesn't count anymore.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Bane would uttery rage stomp Batrog, he would crush him beyond belief, laugh at his jumping around and break his face the same way he broke everyone else incuding stone columns at the court house.

I doubt Bane would even be able to land a hand on him. Considering how slow both Bane and Batman fought.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I doubt Bane would even be able to land a hand on him. Considering how slow both Bane and Batman fought.

Is everyone here Flying the French Flag cause its cool to be French now.

Bane would grab him and break his face.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Bane would uttery rage stomp Batrog, he would crush him beyond belief, laugh at his jumping around and break his face the same way he broke everyone else incuding stone columns at the court house.

Yea, he's easily going to beat up a guy who was getting back up from hits from Captain f*cking America and showed more speed/agility then Bane/Batman put together.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yea, he's easily going to beat up a guy who was getting back up from hits from Captain f*cking America and showed more speed/agility then Bane/Batman put together.



Bane would utterly wreck him and break his back and cripple him

I didn't see him get back up after Cap put him down for good. Keep dreaming.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Bane would utterly wreck him and break his back and cripple him

I didn't see him get back up after Cap put him down for good. Keep dreaming.

Nope.

Uh, that's EXACTLY what happened.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Bane would utterly wreck him and break his back and cripple him

I didn't see him get back up after Cap put him down for good. Keep dreaming.

Batroc was able to tank some hits from Cap. Bane is not as strong as Cap. Bane will not "wreck" Batroc.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Nope.

Uh, that's EXACTLY what happened.

So he got back up after Cap really put him down the last time when he stopped playing around and got serious. Do you remember how he took him out the last time, he smashed him in the face. Bane gets on him and starts beating him down the same way, his face will break.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Batroc was able to tank some hits from Cap. Bane is not as strong as Cap. Bane will not "wreck" Batroc.

His strength was clearing concrete walls. He would destroy him. Bane would choke him out, break his face and then break his back.

Cap was casually smashing down walls and metal doors, while sending them flying off the hinges in the process. He was denting metal by knocking people into it, he was knocking people through the air at will. He was so superhuman that it was obvious. Bane barely got Batman over his head to break his back. Cap lifted Bucky off the ground and held him fully extended with just one arm.

And yes, he did get back up. Cap and Widow had only been talking a few seconds when Batroc got up from the beating Cap gave him and tossed a grenade at them.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yea, he's easily going to beat up a guy who was getting back up from hits from Captain f*cking America and showed more speed/agility then Bane/Batman put together.



How dare you believe that being fast, agile and skilled are advantages.

I think with the feats from winter soldier Steve now should be called General America!!

Originally posted by Silent Master
How dare you believe that being fast, agile and skilled are advantages.




How dare you believe Batman would lose to a French Fry

Originally posted by KingD19
Cap was casually smashing down walls and metal doors, while sending them flying off the hinges in the process. He was denting metal by knocking people into it, he was knocking people through the air at will. He was so superhuman that it was obvious. Bane barely got Batman over his head to break his back. Cap lifted Bucky off the ground and held him fully extended with just one arm.

And yes, he did get back up. Cap and Widow had only been talking a few seconds when Batroc got up from the beating Cap gave him and tossed a grenade at them.

Cap was much more durable and stronger being that his body was that of a superhuman.

Bane barley got him over his head

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If you call that barely getting him over his head, no wonder we disagree, apparently one person can see here and the other cannot. Also what do you call him smashing concrete with his bare hands?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial

His strength was clearing concrete walls. He would destroy him. Bane would choke him out, break his face and then break his back.

Bane never cleared concrete walls. He punched a pillar of questionable material, there's no proof that it was pure concrete.

Besides, Bane is not as strong as Cap. He's not as fast nor is he as agile. The fact that Batroc was able to take hits from Cap without any lasting injuries shows that he's quite durable and should be able to take Bane's hits... unless you're telling me that Bane is as strong as Cap.

And for that matter, why are we discussing how hard Bane can hit anyway? We're talking about Batroc vs. Batman.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Bane never cleared concrete walls. He punched a pillar of questionable material, there's no proof that it was pure concrete.

Besides, Bane is not as strong as Cap. He's not as fast nor is he as agile. The fact that Batroc was able to take hits from Cap without any lasting injuries shows that he's quite durable and should be able to take Bane's hits... unless you're telling me that Bane is as strong as Cap.

And for that matter, why are we discussing how hard Bane can hit anyway? We're talking about Batroc vs. Batman.

Cause apparently Rage thinks Batroc can clear all of Batman Universe now because captain took 3 seconds longer to beat him.

Batman 3 Movies of Feats > 10 seconds of glory from Batroc who ended up getting the can beating out of him.

They fight for about a minute as I recall, with Batroc having Cap on the back foot quite a few times.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They fight for about a minute as I recall, with Batroc having Cap on the back foot quite a few times.

And that changes anything? Where is it shown that Cap cant get knocked down by anyone now flipping around in the air.

Cap got hit by his shield after Winter Soldier threw it at him, didn't knock him off his feat. In fact, very few humans have put him on his back that I recall. Batroc being able to do that is no mean feat.

And giving Captain America a fight (even if he lost) is still a better 1 on 1 feat than anything Batman has done in 3 of his movies.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Cap got hit by his shield after Winter Soldier threw it at him, didn't knock him off his feat. In fact, very few humans have put him on his back that I recall. Batroc being able to do that is no mean feat.

And giving Captain America a fight (even if he lost) is still a better 1 on 1 feat than anything Batman has done in 3 of his movies.

So beating Bane, a larger more powerful man who can break concrete in his prime while in a weakened state is not impressive to you. Keep flying that french flag.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Bane never cleared concrete walls. He punched a pillar of questionable material, there's no proof that it was pure concrete.

Besides, Bane is not as strong as Cap. He's not as fast nor is he as agile. The fact that Batroc was able to take hits from Cap without any lasting injuries shows that he's quite durable and should be able to take Bane's hits... unless you're telling me that Bane is as strong as Cap.

And for that matter, why are we discussing how hard Bane can hit anyway? We're talking about Batroc vs. Batman.

Because Batman related characters are his Van Zan.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Because Batman related characters are his Van Zan.

Wrong again. I don't even like the Batman movies. But I give credit where it is due.

You for one have never even seen Winter Soldier, yet you speak of it as like you have.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So beating Bane, a larger more powerful man who can break concrete in his prime while in a weakened state is not impressive to you. Keep flying that french flag.

1. Movie Bane is smaller than Batman, Cap. A, or Batroc

2. Prove to me that Bane can break concrete, because all we see is him punching a pillar that "looks" concrete but doesn't behave like concrete.

3. Batman beat Bane by destroying his mask and exploiting his weakness. Batman by no means outskilled or outfought Bane.

4. Batroc doesn't have a "mask" weakness that Batman can exploit

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So beating Bane, a larger more powerful man who can break concrete in his prime while in a weakened state is not impressive to you. Keep flying that french flag.

now i just have a feeling you're being a racist ****

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Movie Bane is smaller than Batman, Cap. A, or Batroc

2. Prove to me that Bane can break concrete, because all we see is him punching a pillar that "looks" concrete but doesn't behave like concrete.

3. Batman beat Bane by destroying his mask and exploiting his weakness. Batman by no means outskilled or outfought Bane.

4. Batroc doesn't have a "mask" weakness that Batman can exploit

1. But they made him look bigger for the role, this is common in all movies.

2. I guess stone pillars that look like stone or concrete are not concrete.

3. Exploiting a weakness is outfighting you opponent. Watch MMA or any fight for that matter. Bane thought he could beat Batman again, he was wrong.

4. He has a face just like anyone else, and you smash it long enough and it will fail. Pretty sure thats how he got taken out the first time.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
1. But they made him look bigger for the role, this is common in all movies.

2. I guess stone pillars that look like stone or concrete are not concrete.

3. Exploiting a weakness is outfighting you opponent. Watch MMA or any fight for that matter. Bane thought he could beat Batman again, he was wrong.

4. He has a face just like anyone else, and you smash it long enough and it will fail. Pretty sure thats how he got taken out the first time.

1. Check out the fight scenes between him and Bats, he's not exactly bigger.

2. A pillar that looks like stone/concrete but doesn't behave like stone/concrete is most probably not stone/concrete. In any case, if you really think he's strong enough to punch holes through concrete then feel free to prove it.

3. Exploiting a weakness is not cheating and is definitely a valid means of winning the fight. But let's not pretend that Batman was able to outfight Bane. Without the mask weakness, he probably wouldn't have been able to beat Bane.

4. Batroc has a face just like everyone else, and so does Bats. And Batman will get hit quite a few times on his face before he can hit Batroc's face. Because Batroc is quite a bit faster than either Bane or Batman... unless you're completely blind.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Check out the fight scenes between him and Bats, he's not exactly bigger.

2. A pillar that looks like stone/concrete but doesn't behave like stone/concrete is most probably not stone/concrete. In any case, if you really think he's strong enough to punch holes through concrete then feel free to prove it.

3. Exploiting a weakness is not cheating and is definitely a valid means of winning the fight. But let's not pretend that Batman was able to outfight Bane. Without the mask weakness, he probably wouldn't have been able to beat Bane.

4. Batroc has a face just like everyone else, and so does Bats. And Batman will get hit quite a few times on his face before he can hit Batroc's face. Because Batroc is quite a bit faster than either Bane or Batman... unless you're completely blind.

1. Bale is a lot bigger in real life, so they had to make Hardy look as big or bigger then batman for screen appearance, the fact that he lifted him over his head being smaller as you say with batman being bigger and fully armored makes your argument less valid.

2. What is right and true will always be right and true, concrete is concrete. Let me guess that building was made out of paper mache to you.

3. He got back in shape after having his back broken and beat a guy stronger then him and the guys blows had less effect of him the second time around after training himself up again.

4. Batman has always found a way to take down any of his opponents, some jumping guy that can do kick flips is not taking him down, he will find a way and break him.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial

4. Batman has always found a way to take down any of his opponents, some jumping guy that can do kick flips is not taking him down, he will find a way and break him.

And this is why it's almost impossible to try and debate with Batman fanboys. Your whole argument to how Batman can beat an opponent boils down to 'He's Batman, he'll find a way."

Maybe its just me but I do remember Baleman getting worked by some dogs...just saying.

That aside even though Captain America beat Batroc soundly, then funny thing is Batroc was still conscious. Hell his fight with him even before Cap got serious shows me that he'd work Baleman over.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And this is why it's almost impossible to try and debate with Batman fanboys. Your whole argument to how Batman can beat an opponent boils down to 'He's Batman, he'll find a way."

Agreed.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And this is why it's almost impossible to try and debate with Batman fanboys. Your whole argument to how Batman can beat an opponent boils down to 'He's Batman, he'll find a way."

I don't even like Batman, Superman and Captain America or more my style, you just came to the realization that a some off beat acrobat that got owned in the first 5 minutes of the movie has nothing more then some fancy tricks against Batman who has taken down rooms full of assassins trained at his level, rooms full of armed thugs, 3 feats of movies proving he's a capable warrior.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Agreed.

Agreed, you have never seen the movie, can't spell the word iPad, and generally have no clue what your talking about as you have never even seen the movie

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I don't even like Batman, Superman and Captain America or more my style, you just came to the realization that a some off beat acrobat that got owned in the first 5 minutes of the movie has nothing more then some fancy tricks against Batman who has taken down rooms full of assassins trained at his level, rooms full of armed thugs, 3 feats of movies proving he's a capable warrior.



Batroc got owned by Captain America. Movie Batman <<<<< Movie Captain America. You can call them fancy tricks all you want, fact is Batman has never fought anyone with the kind of skills Batroc has displayed.

Batman may be good at fighting mobs of questionable skill, but he sucks at 1 on 1 fighting. He's unable to beat Ra's in pure skill alone, thus he had to trick him into forgetting about his environment. He also couldn't beat Bane in skill, and only beat him via mask weakness. Heck even Joker gave the Batman a hard time, and Joker ain't no trained fighter.

If Scarecrow wasn't such a wuss, he probably would have given Bruce a fight.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Batroc got owned by Captain America. Movie Batman <<<<< Movie Captain America. You can call them fancy tricks all you want, fact is Batman has never fought anyone with the kind of skills Batroc has displayed.

Batman may be good at fighting mobs of questionable skill, but he sucks at 1 on 1 fighting. He's unable to beat Ra's in pure skill alone, thus he had to trick him into forgetting about his environment. He also couldn't beat Bane in skill, and only beat him via mask weakness. Heck even Joker gave the Batman a hard time, and Joker ain't no trained fighter.

So an entire room of trained assassins on his level up in the mountains and defeating stronger back breakers is no skill. As well as armed thugs and swat teams without killing any of them while both groups are trying to kill him is no skill? Ra was his superior. Who do you think trained him?

Joker has always had insane durability in all movies. Might want to go watch them.

Originally posted by KingD19
If Scarecrow wasn't such a wuss, he probably would have given Bruce a fight.

Go figure you would side with the scrawny wuss type.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So an entire room of trained assassins on his level up in the mountains and defeating stronger back breakers is no skill. As well as armed thugs and swat teams without killing any of them while both groups are trying to kill him is no skill? Ra was his superior. Who do you think trained him?

Joker has always had insane durability in all movies. Might want to go watch them.

Like I said, show me one individual that Batman fought that actually showed matching or at least similar to Batroc's.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Like I said, show me one individual that Batman fought that actually showed matching or at least similar to Batroc's.

So he can engage and entire room of assassins who similar skill ability have 3 movies worth of feats, but in your eyes, because he never faced someone exactly the same as Batroc on screen he loses, because he fought with Captain America for minute and lost hard.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So he can engage and entire room of assassins who similar skill ability have 3 movies worth of feats, but in your eyes, because he never faced someone exactly the same as Batroc on screen he loses, because he fought with Captain America for minute and lost hard.

He faced an entire room of trained assassins who didn't do crap, who didn't have any feats to back them up. Considering that Ra's commented that Bruce Wayne was his best student even though he's only been there for a short time, just goes to show that the rest of the students weren't really all that.

I don't need someone who moves exactly as Batroc does, just show me one opponent that Batman decidedly beat who was of comparative skill to that which Batroc portrayed.

Originally posted by FrothByte
He faced an entire room of trained assassins who didn't do crap, who didn't have any feats to back them up. Considering that Ra's commented that Bruce Wayne was his best student even though he's only been there for a short time, just goes to show that the rest of the students weren't really all that.

I don't need someone who moves exactly as Batroc does, just show me one opponent that Batman decidedly beat who was of comparative skill to that which Batroc portrayed.

You didn't read what I said

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
But in your eyes, because he never faced someone exactly the same as Batroc on screen he loses, because he fought with Captain America for minute and lost hard.

I read it and answered it. You however keep trying to avoid my question. Show me one opponent that Batman beat soundly who showed skill at the level of Batroc.

And for some reason you think that Batman can smash Batroc in the face but Batroc can't do the same to Bats?

Actually forget it. I don't know why I'm still debating with you considering that you think "Batman will always find a way".

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You didn't read what I said

I'm not one for White Knight'ing but you didn't answer the question FrothByte asked. You're the one claiming that mook assassin's were feasible opponents to warrant Baleman's victory over Batroc. And because there is some doubt about that claim its not weird to ask for a clip that shows just how skilled these assassins were that Baleman beat up.

Also I think I said this before but even though Batroc lost against Cap he wasn't KO'd which should count for something here.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I'm not one for White Knight'ing but you didn't answer the question FrothByte asked. You're the one claiming that mook assassin's were feasible opponents to warrant Baleman's victory over Batroc. And because there is some doubt about that claim its not weird to ask for a clip that shows just how skilled these assassins were that Baleman beat up.

Also I think I said this before but even though Batroc lost against Cap he wasn't KO'd which should count for something here.

He asked me a question which I already answered white knight. And he was out cold, what do you call that other then a TKO.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I read it and answered it. You however keep trying to avoid my question. Show me one opponent that Batman beat soundly who showed skill at the level of Batroc.

And for some reason you think that Batman can smash Batroc in the face but Batroc can't do the same to Bats?

Actually forget it. I don't know why I'm still debating with you considering that you think "Batman will always find a way".

First the answer is no, he has not faced an anyone exactly like Batroc, had Captain? No..thats why he struggled with him at first.

Second he took regular beating to the face from Bane without going cold on the ground.

Actually Captain and Batman both always find a way.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He asked me a question which I already answered white knight. And he was out cold, what do you call that other then a TKO.

Batroc got back up to throw a grenade. leading me to believe that either he wasn't knocked out or that it was the shortest knockout ever and considering the circumstance in which it took place I have reason to believe the former is more likely.

Also I don't see any video clips from you in any of your post or even direction to a scene where Baleman's assassin feat takes place so that it can be viewed and stuff.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Batroc got back up to throw a grenade. leading me to believe that either he wasn't knocked out or that it was the shortest knockout ever and considering the circumstance in which it took place I have reason to believe the former is more likely.

Also I don't see any video clips from you in any of your post or even direction to a scene where Baleman's assassin feat takes place so that it can be viewed and stuff.

According to people here and these forum battles a knock out is when someone goes down for any given amount of time even if he wasn't cold on the floor...

I don't see anyone posting any clips of Batroc as some people here have admitted to only seeing the fight via shady movie sites or youtube.

You guys claim to be movie nuts but can't even cough up the coin to see the real movie legitimately.

Some critics I tell ya.

it's still the same goddamn fight whether we watched it on youtube or streamed it from elsewhere

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
it's still the same goddamn fight whether we watched it on youtube or streamed it from elsewhere

When you can get a single sentence or word out without cussing and swearing I might take you serious..

I saw it Saturday night in IMAX 3D. Batroc was down, but definitely not out. In fact, Cap seemed to be so used to ko'ing/killing people with one or two hits that as soon as Batroc hit the deck, his attention was elsewhere. But it didn't take him long at all to get back up.

But the points people are making are these

1. Batroc is more skilled than anyone in the Dark Knight Trilogy. More skilled than Batman, Ra's, Bane, etc... We know this because despite having only a short amount of time, he gave Cap some trouble and was clearly affecting him with his strikes. And if he can make Steve feel his hits, Bruce's armor won't help much.

2. Batroc is faster than anyone in Dark Knight Trilogy, this is again showcased by his fight. Cap and Bucky fighting back and forth were damn fast, and Cap himself has shown impressive reflex/combat speed in a ton of scenes, like the elevator one for example. If Bruce can even hit him, they'll be glancing blows at the most, and Batroc was taking full hits from Cap and still going strong.

3. Batroc is durable enough to take a beating from Cap including a bunch of hard hits, and a shield shoulder check to the face without going down.

4. Cap is far and away a superhuman. There's no doubt about that. He'd slaughter Batman, Bane, Ra's, Selina, the mook ninjas, the swat team...all of them. He'd run wild on them. Batroc gave him a fight; it wasn't much of one once he took the kid gloves off, but the only other people to challenge Captain America in a melee were Red Skull, another superhuman with military training and strong enough to dent steel. Loki, a Frost Giant durable enough to tank hits from Thor and walk off a Hulk thrashing. And Winter Soldier, a guy at least peak human durability/skill/speed, etc... as well as a bionic arm that was pretty damn strong. All the people on this list are so far above Bruce it's not even funny.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
According to people here and these forum battles a knock out is when someone goes down for any given amount of time even if he wasn't cold on the floor...

I don't see anyone posting any clips of Batroc as some people here have admitted to only seeing the fight via shady movie sites or youtube.

You guys claim to be movie nuts but can't even cough up the coin to see the real movie legitimately.

Some critics I tell ya.

Okay and? Even if he was out cold, which again I have reason to doubt, he still got back up to throw a grenade proving to me that Batroc has some vitality going for him at the very least: a quality that Baleman doesn't really have that much to show in his fights.

I also suggested point out the scene and maybe some details as to what happened in said scene. Also the fact that people here are able to talk about key details in the fight along with the fight itself should be evidence that posters have at least saw the fight regardless of the format.

Originally posted by KingD19
I saw it Saturday night in IMAX 3D. Batroc was down, but definitely not out. In fact, Cap seemed to be so used to ko'ing/killing people with one or two hits that as soon as Batroc hit the deck, his attention was elsewhere. But it didn't take him long at all to get back up.

But the points people are making are these

1. Batroc is more skilled than anyone in the Dark Knight Trilogy. More skilled than Batman, Ra's, Bane, etc... We know this because despite having only a short amount of time, he gave Cap some trouble and was clearly affecting him with his strikes. And if he can make Steve feel his hits, Bruce's armor won't help much.

2. Batroc is faster than anyone in Dark Knight Trilogy, this is again showcased by his fight. Cap and Bucky fighting back and forth were damn fast, and Cap himself has shown impressive reflex/combat speed in a ton of scenes, like the elevator one for example. If Bruce can even hit him, they'll be glancing blows at the most, and Batroc was taking full hits from Cap and still going strong.

3. Batroc is durable enough to take a beating from Cap including a bunch of hard hits, and a shield shoulder check to the face without going down.

4. Cap is far and away a superhuman. There's no doubt about that. He'd slaughter Batman, Bane, Ra's, Selina, the mook ninjas, the swat team...all of them. He'd run wild on them. Batroc gave him a fight; it wasn't much of one once he took the kid gloves off, but the only other people to challenge Captain America in a melee were Red Skull, another superhuman with military training and strong enough to dent steel. Loki, a Frost Giant durable enough to tank hits from Thor and walk off a Hulk thrashing. And Winter Soldier, a guy at least peak human durability/skill/speed, etc... as well as a bionic arm that was pretty damn strong. All the people on this list are so far above Bruce it's not even funny.

Dang someone I can actually talk to who has seen the movie, up until this point its been nothing but silent shady tricks and one liners with nothing to back up his argument who never even saw the movie and frosty knuckles not doing a good job at selling me ice.

1. Long shot to say he is more skilled than anyone in the Batman Universe. He's not taking Bane down no matter how hard you want to sell that trash.

2. Since when has anyone not been able to hit another person in comic book movie even with speeds faster then him?

3. He's a peak human at best, and your making him to be a superhuman, Batman is also a peak human that has a coat of armor and has taken far worse beating's then a few blows from Cap.

4. I don't see the relevance to this fight. He isn't fighting Captain, he's fighting a dude with a couple tricks and 30 seconds of glory. Your trying to stack that 30 seconds vs 3 movies worth of amazing feats from Batman, it does not compute. People are saying John McClane takes out Batman based off his 5 movies? And your basing your argument of 30 seconds of tricks against a trained warrior who find a way to win with 3 movies of continuos feats? No sell.

5. Considering Batman does not stop until literally someone breaks his back or gasses him. And Batroc has no way in hell to do either of them. Batroc goes down. And no where did I say it was going to be easy, its a good matchup between true warrior and and a different fighting style produced. This guy could put on a good show for Batman but one way or another considering his long history of feats and movies. A single foe with 30 seconds of glory does not usurp him or steal his crown as a true badass.

To add to #2 Spiderman who's faster then most all if not everyone he faces and has Spidy sense gets tagged all the time by people slower then him. Again a no sell on saying Batman can now not touch Batroc because he appears to be faster then Batman..People slower then Spiderman tag him continuously.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial


1. Long shot to say he is more skilled than anyone in the Batman Universe. He's not taking Bane down no matter how hard you want to sell that trash.

2. Since when has anyone not been able to hit another person in comic book movie even with speeds faster then him?

3. He's a peak human at best, and your making him to be a superhuman, Batman is also a peak human that has a coat of armor and has taken far worse beating's then a few blows from Cap.

4. I don't see the relevance to this fight. He isn't fighting Captain, he's fighting a dude with a couple tricks and 30 seconds of glory. Your trying to stack that 30 seconds vs 3 movies worth of amazing feats from Batman, it does not compute. People are saying John McClane takes out Batman based off his 5 movies? And your basing your argument of 30 seconds of tricks against a trained warrior who find a way to win with 3 movies of continuos feats? No sell.

5. Considering Batman does not stop until literally someone breaks his back or gasses him. And Batroc has no way in hell to do either of them. Batroc goes down. And no where did I say it was going to be easy, its a good matchup between true warrior and and a different fighting style produced. This guy could put on a good show for Batman but one way or another considering his long history of feats and movies. A single foe with 30 seconds of glory does not usurp him or steal his crown as a true badass.


1. Why wouldn't he? What skill has Bane showed other than throwing haymakers(though the did have some power) and beating up an old Batman that would warrant he can take blows from Captain America who is clearly superhuman.

2.These are movie versions and therefore comic book comparisons are of little use here.

3. Batroc is a human who took hits from a clearly defined superhuman, tanking shield hits, and even after loosing still got back up to throw a grenade and make a dash for the exit.

4. If you can scale off of mook ninjas, of which you've yet to provide a clue as to what said ninjas' capabilities are that would net Batman a win, then its only fair to scale off of Captain America to gauge how well Batroc would perfrom in a fight.

5. "Batman always finds a way" again? :sigh: would like to point out that Ras had no trouble fighting a "prime" Batman and was one move away from stabbing him in the face. Batroc displayed movement speed and technique that appear to be much more effective given the current setup of this fight. Also when said guy with "30 seconds of glory" has displayed more impressive fighting ability than the dude with 3 films, you know there's a problem.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
When you can get a single sentence or word out without cussing and swearing I might take you serious.. Originally posted by maxivitopowe
provide an adequate answer, if you won't, would you kindly not speak

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
1. Why wouldn't he? What skill has Bane showed other than throwing haymakers(though the did have some power) and beating up an old Batman that would warrant he can take blows from Captain America who is clearly superhuman.

2.These are movie versions and therefore comic book comparisons are of little use here.

3. Batroc is a human who took hits from a clearly defined superhuman, tanking shield hits, and even after loosing still got back up to throw a grenade and make a dash for the exit.

4. If you can scale off of mook ninjas, of which you've yet to provide a clue as to what said ninjas' capabilities are that would net Batman a win, then its only fair to scale off of Captain America to gauge how well Batroc would perfrom in a fight.

5. "Batman always finds a way" again? :sigh: would like to point out that Ras had no trouble fighting a "prime" Batman and was one move away from stabbing him in the face. Batroc displayed movement speed and technique that appear to be much more effective given the current setup of this fight. Also when said guy with "30 seconds of glory" has displayed more impressive fighting ability than the dude with 3 films, you know there's a problem.


1. Taking down countless people with ease, breaking concrete with his bands, breaking though batman's mask which no one has even been able to do, lifting a dude that is supposedly bigger and much heavier with his armor right over his head, touching people and they basically die. He's no weakling

2. You think Batman and Bane would just go down from some shield hits? They are super hero movie for being normal humans or every day fodder. They take down the fodder. Batman has taken worse beatings Cap produced on Batroc. Lets see Batroc survive Batman or Banes career, not gonna happen.

3. Scale of mook Ninja's. Again downplaying and lowballing the role and the ability and training of the league of shadows.

4. Does Captain always find a way? I would not call jumping around like a gymnast a more impressive way to fight. Since when has excessive speed and agility stopped Spiderman from getting tagged by slower opponents?

all of Spidey's foes are either as fast as him or can release AoE attacks

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
1. Taking down countless people with ease, breaking concrete with his bands, breaking though batman's mask which no one has even been able to do, lifting a dude that is supposedly bigger and much heavier with his armor right over his head, touching people and they basically die. He's no weakling

2. You think Batman and Bane would just go down from some shield hits? They are super hero movie for being normal humans or every day fodder. They take down the fodder. Batman has taken worse beatings Cap produced on Batroc. Lets see Batroc survive Batman or Banes career, not gonna happen.

3. Scale of mook Ninja's. Again downplaying and lowballing the role and the ability and training of the league of shadows.

4. Does Captain always find a way? I would not call jumping around like a gymnast a more impressive way to fight. Since when has excessive speed and agility stopped Spiderman from getting tagged by slower opponents?

1. Exactly how skill were these people? Scaling off of Cap who took out soldiers that, thanks to WS, actually had decent showings of skill(ex. pre-Crossbones) I still wouldn't bet againt Batroc. As impressive as the pilar feat is Bane is still weaker than Cap who Batroc was able to take blows from, also exactly how is Bane supposed to tag him considering he was all kinds of sluggish in his fight with Batman.

2. Going by movie versions yes they would.

3. Not really downplaying more than I am just curious as to what the mook ninjas can actually do that would compare against Batroc let alone Cap. Even though Batroc lost to Cap once he got serious, he wasn't out cold like the rest of the usual guys Cap beats up.

4. What does Spiderman have to do with this? Also your previous statement pretty much amounted to "Batman always finds a way" so its not far off for me to say that.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Dang someone I can actually talk to who has seen the movie, up until this point its been nothing but silent shady tricks and one liners with nothing to back up his argument who never even saw the movie and frosty knuckles not doing a good job at selling me ice.


That's some pretty tough talk coming from someone who has yet to provide any concrete evidence to back up his arguments.

You call what Batroc does as "a couple of tricks" and yet fail to provide proof that anyone else in the TDK trilogy is of comparable skill.

Batroc's kicks were sending Cap stepping back several feet. Considering the shield's unique properties and Cap's superhuman strength, that's impressive, if not outright impossible.

Yeah that shield is pretty inconsistent. Cap can tank a shot from Mjolnir without his legs cracking but then a grenade against his shield throws him off a bridge.

But oh well, feats are feats. And Batroc being able to displace Cap with a kick to the shield is still a pretty impressive feat.

Also notice how he strained to take Bucky's punches with the shield? Inconsistency for the sake of action scenes.

Or we can conclude that grenade > Batroc kicks > cyborg punches > power shot from Mjolnir

also jumping out a building using just the shield to brace himself

Originally posted by KingD19
I saw it Saturday night in IMAX 3D. Batroc was down, but definitely not out. In fact, Cap seemed to be so used to ko'ing/killing people with one or two hits that as soon as Batroc hit the deck, his attention was elsewhere. But it didn't take him long at all to get back up.

But the points people are making are these

1. Batroc is more skilled than anyone in the Dark Knight Trilogy. More skilled than Batman, Ra's, Bane, etc... We know this because despite having only a short amount of time, he gave Cap some trouble and was clearly affecting him with his strikes. And if he can make Steve feel his hits, Bruce's armor won't help much.

2. Batroc is faster than anyone in Dark Knight Trilogy, this is again showcased by his fight. Cap and Bucky fighting back and forth were damn fast, and Cap himself has shown impressive reflex/combat speed in a ton of scenes, like the elevator one for example. If Bruce can even hit him, they'll be glancing blows at the most, and Batroc was taking full hits from Cap and still going strong.

3. Batroc is durable enough to take a beating from Cap including a bunch of hard hits, and a shield shoulder check to the face without going down.

4. Cap is far and away a superhuman. There's no doubt about that. He'd slaughter Batman, Bane, Ra's, Selina, the mook ninjas, the swat team...all of them. He'd run wild on them. Batroc gave him a fight; it wasn't much of one once he took the kid gloves off, but the only other people to challenge Captain America in a melee were Red Skull, another superhuman with military training and strong enough to dent steel. Loki, a Frost Giant durable enough to tank hits from Thor and walk off a Hulk thrashing. And Winter Soldier, a guy at least peak human durability/skill/speed, etc... as well as a bionic arm that was pretty damn strong. All the people on this list are so far above Bruce it's not even funny. This. Its a stomp for Batroc.

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
all of Spidey's foes are either as fast as him or can release AoE attacks

Wrong..

Originally posted by FrothByte
That's some pretty tough talk coming from someone who has yet to provide any concrete evidence to back up his arguments.

You call what Batroc does as "a couple of tricks" and yet fail to provide proof that anyone else in the TDK trilogy is of comparable skill.

I already told you the same thing three times you can't understand me saying he didn't fight anyone that has his same skill?

Had cap fought anyone with comparable skills like Batroc before him..no, which is why he was sparing with him at first, figured out how to take him down and did so.

What you can't seem to grasp is that Batman can do the same thing. And like I said again, nothing has been shown to stop Batman besides breaking his back or gassing him. Two things Batroc cannot do.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah that shield is pretty inconsistent. Cap can tank a shot from Mjolnir without his legs cracking but then a grenade against his shield throws him off a bridge.

But oh well, feats are feats. And Batroc being able to displace Cap with a kick to the shield is still a pretty impressive feat.


Its called physics, if someone jumps on top of you and kick's you your prolly going to fall no matter how tough you are, when and where was it stated Captain could never be knocked down?

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
1. Exactly how skill were these people? Scaling off of Cap who took out soldiers that, thanks to WS, actually had decent showings of skill(ex. pre-Crossbones) I still wouldn't bet againt Batroc. As impressive as the pilar feat is Bane is still weaker than Cap who Batroc was able to take blows from, also exactly how is Bane supposed to tag him considering he was all kinds of sluggish in his fight with Batman.

2. Going by movie versions yes they would.

3. Not really downplaying more than I am just curious as to what the mook ninjas can actually do that would compare against Batroc let alone Cap. Even though Batroc lost to Cap once he got serious, he wasn't out cold like the rest of the usual guys Cap beats up.

4. What does Spiderman have to do with this? Also your previous statement pretty much amounted to "Batman always finds a way" so its not far off for me to say that.

The opposition says Batroc is to fast and therefore Batman can't touch him, I point out spiderman who is countless times faster then all of his foes and they manage to tag him. Just because your faster does not mean your not going to get tagged or taken down.

Batroc has knees, eyes, arms, throat just like everyone else, Batman specializes in lethal takedowns. Captain specializes in power attacks. Both effective, you play the cards your dealt.

To then ignore 3 movies worth of feats, say Batroc can now solo the whole Batman series based of 30 seconds of glory is childish.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The opposition says Batroc is to fast and therefore Batman can't touch him, I point out spiderman who is countless times faster then all of his foes and they manage to tag him. Just because your faster does not mean your not going to get tagged or taken down.

Batroc has knees, eyes, arms, throat just like everyone else, Batman specializes in lethal takedowns. Captain specializes in power attacks. Both effective, you play the cards your dealt.

To then ignore 3 movies worth of feats, say Batroc can now solo the whole Batman series based of 30 seconds of glory is childish.

Perhaps but with the superior display of fighting ability and a convincing showing of durability I'd say that Batroc's odd of winning against Baleman are still pretty high.

Um what does that have to do with Batman's capabilities in this particular fight? Who has Batman fought with similar skills to either Cap or Batroc that would be a convincing argument in his favor?

I'm not ignoring the feats I'm just wondering what feats out of those 3 movies would actually grant Batman a win. For example who he fought, how many of the enemy did he fought, how strong/skilled was the person he fought, did Batman struggle or stomp them, whether or not he exploited a weakness against said enemy....stuff like that which could possibly show that he stands a chance against Batroc.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I already told you the same thing three times you can't understand me saying he didn't fight anyone that has his same skill?

Had cap fought anyone with comparable skills like Batroc before him..no, which is why he was sparing with him at first, figured out how to take him down and did so.

What you can't seem to grasp is that Batman can do the same thing. And like I said again, nothing has been shown to stop Batman besides breaking his back or gassing him. Two things Batroc cannot do.

I'm not asking you to provide examples of someone with the same skill as Batroc, but someone with the same skill level or higher. Do you understand?

If Batman has never fought and defeated anyone with similar skill level as Batroc, how then can you say that Batman can beat him?

What you can't seem to grasp is that simply saying "Batman can do the same thing" without even providing any proof of it is just plain stupid.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm not asking you to provide examples of someone with the same skill as Batroc, but someone with the same skill level or higher. Do you understand?

If Batman has never fought and defeated anyone with similar skill level as Batroc, how then can you say that Batman can beat him?

What you can't seem to grasp is that simply saying "Batman can do the same thing" without even providing any proof of it is just plain stupid.

Right I'm stupid for ignoring 3 movies of feats and not agreeing with 30 seconds of literally nothing happening but a good spar. Stay frosty. You need to rewatch Batman's feats instead of ignoring them and trading them for a meaningless screen fight.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Wrong.. name me a Spiderman villain which:

a) isn't as fast or faster than him

b) isn't as strong or stronger

c)cant release an AoE attack?

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
provide an adequate answer, if you can't, would you kindly refrain from speaking?

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
name me a Spiderman villain which isn't

a)as fast or faster than him

b) as strong or stronger

c)cant release an AoE attack?

Not going to answer your questions for you, go watch the movie's

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Right I'm stupid for ignoring 3 movies of feats and not agreeing with 30 seconds of literally nothing happening but a good spar. Stay frosty. You need to rewatch Batman's feats instead of ignoring them and trading them for a meaningless screen fight.

I'm not ignoring his feats, just that his feats are useless in this debate unless they are against opponents of similar skill level to Batroc.

Now, are you going to ignore my point again and come up with some crap like "Batman will find a way" or "He has 3 movies worth of feats, of course he'll win" or are you finally going to debate properly?

Btw, lol at "meaningless screen fight". Are you telling me that Batroc's screen fight is meaningless and yet somehow Batman's are "meaningful"? What a load of crap you are.

Tobey Spidey

Green Goblin
as fast
as strong
has tracking flying bombs
maybe has greater mobility

Doc Ock
as strong maybe stronger
the arms are as fast

Sandman
large mass of sand

Venom
as fast
stronger


Garfield Spidey

Lizard
as fast
stronger

Electro
can release devastating AoE attacks

Rhino
stronger
more durable

Goblin
as mobile?

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
provide an adequate answer, if you can't, would you kindly refrain from speaking?

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm not ignoring his feats, just that his feats are useless in this debate unless they are against opponents of similar skill level to Batroc.

Now, are you going to ignore my point again and come up with some crap like "Batman will find a way" or "He has 3 movies worth of feats, of course he'll win" or are you finally going to debate properly?

You have ignored 3 movies of close to superhuman durability feats. You can't grasp the speed it takes to take down 15-30 people at the same time.

When are you going to stop ignoring feats for 30 seconds of glory on a guy who lost and didn't even hurt Captain.

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Tobey Spidey

Green Goblin
as fast
as strong
has tracking flying bombs
maybe has greater mobility

Doc Ock
as strong maybe stronger
the arms are as fast

Sandman
large mass of sand

Venom
as fast
stronger


Garfield Spidey

Lizard
as fast
stronger

Electro
can release devastating AoE attacks

Rhino
stronger
more durable

Goblin
as mobile?

None of those are as fast as Spiderman, except Venom.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You have ignored 3 movies of close to superhuman durability feats. You can't grasp the speed it takes to take down 15-30 people at the same time.

When are you going to stop ignoring feats for 30 seconds of glory on a guy who lost and didn't even hurt Captain.

So where again did Batman beat someone of skill comparable to Batroc?

Originally posted by FrothByte

Btw, lol at "meaningless screen fight". Are you telling me that Batroc's screen fight is meaningless and yet somehow Batman's are "meaningful"? What a load of crap you are.

Nice edit throwing that in under the radar

Was that is supposed to instill some type of internal anger in me, sorry your fanboy got his ass kicked and only had 30 seconds of glory. I wonder how many series they gonna make off his meaningless character. I'm truly surprised you would toss your lot in with that character who absolutely did nothing but put on a good show for the screen, with zero feats but surprising cap and knocking him down.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So where again did Batman beat someone of skill comparable to Batroc?

When did John McClane fight anyone like Batman, somehow it was decided he won.

He fought that Asian chick in the 3rd movie I think. But the point people were making about McClane is that he's simply so damn durable that Bruce wouldn't be able to hurt him.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
When did John McClane fight anyone like Batman, somehow it was decided he won.

I never said McClane wins over Batman. Now back to the topic: Whom has Batman defeated that compares with Batroc?

Originally posted by FrothByte
I never said McClane wins over Batman. Now back to the topic: Whom has Batman defeated that compares with Batroc?

You spite has already been revealed, your answers are biased and once sided. You really screwed up with trying to low ball Batman with this loser and then say John McClane can beat him in a H2H, from now on I'll understand you spite perspective as it holds no bearing on a legitimate fight because its based on hating Batman and ignoring all feats and then undercutting his feats with lesser ones.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You spite has already been revealed, your answers are biased and once sided. You really screwed up with trying to low ball Batman with this loser and then say John McClane can beat him in a H2H, from now on I'll understand you spite perspective as it holds no bearing on a legitimate fight because its based on hating Batman and ignoring all feats and then undercutting his feats with lesser ones.

Oh please, stop making stuff up. You're embarrassing yourself. I never said McClane can beat Batman. And that's not a spite thread, I actually think it's a close fight. If I wanted to spite Batman I would have made a Captain America vs. Batman thread.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Oh please, stop making stuff up. You're embarrassing yourself.



How could I be embarrassed by talking about hypothetical fiction comic movie based fights that have never taken place with other comic book movie nerds..

If I was to be embarrassed on the internet by this it would be from siding with a guy who has zero feats and a 30 second quick job from France vs the Dark Knight from Gotham in speaking of comics.

With Snyder doing the action in BvsS I expect Batfleck going full Arkham combo gameplay mode on fools.

I LOVE the nolan trilogy, but the action was not the best part of it

Originally posted by TH3_V01D
With Snyder doing the action in BvsS I expect Batfleck going full Arkham combo gameplay mode on fools.

I LOVE the nolan trilogy, but the action was not the best part of it

Ben isn't capable of that level of action.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Ben isn't capable of that level of action.

Thats why its called a movie, child.

Ben Affleck was already Daredevil...soooo yeah.

Originally posted by KingD19
Ben Affleck was already Daredevil...soooo yeah.

Exactly, his fights weren't that great in DD and that was over 10 years ago.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Exactly, his fights weren't that great in DD and that was over 10 years ago.

God knows people can't get better or evolve and become better. One day you will understand evolution.

yes but people also get older

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
yes but people also get older

Yes but some people get better with age.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Exactly, his fights weren't that great in DD and that was over 10 years ago. There are these things called stunt doubles. Perhaps you've heard of them?

Originally posted by NemeBro
There are these things called stunt doubles. Perhaps you've heard of them?

I've heard of them, but actors in action movies these days try and do as much of their own fighting and stunts as possible and Ben just doesn't have it in him anymore.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
None of those are as fast as Spiderman, except Venom. Goblin matches Spidey in speed in strength. He always has in the comics, and he did in the movie.

Ocks have arms outmaneuvered Spidey in both the comics in the movies plenty of times. They are as fast reacting/moving.

Lizard and Venom are as fast, and significantly stronger/more deadly and the Spidey sense doesn't even work against Venom which gives a pretty big advantage.

Sandman had his area attacks.

Rhino is the only one who's no where near as fast, but he's many times stronger.

Spidey's villains were all created to be more powerful than he was in the comics. That's why he always had to use his head to defeat them. He does that. That's Spidey's entire thing. He can rarely ever win in straight fisticuffs. Even Kraven started off faster than Spidey and was able to outmaneuver the shit out of him the first couple of times they fought in comics. Saying Spideys villains are physically inferior to him is just plain out wrong.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Goblin matches Spidey in speed in strength. He always has in the comics, and he did in the movie.

Ocks have arms outmaneuvered Spidey in both the comics in the movies plenty of times. They are as fast reacting/moving.

Lizard and Venom are as fast, and significantly stronger/more deadly and the Spidey sense doesn't even work against Venom which gives a pretty big advantage.

Sandman had his area attacks.

Rhino is the only one who's no where near as fast, but he's many times stronger.

Spidey's villains were all created to be more powerful than he was in the comics. That's why he always had to use his head to defeat them. He does that. That's Spidey's entire thing. He can rarely ever win in straight fisticuffs. Even Kraven started off faster than Spidey and was able to outmaneuver the shit out of him the first couple of times they fought in comics. Saying Spideys villains are physically inferior to him is just plain out wrong.

Goblins speed and agility and strength feats do not match Spiderman's nor is he anywhere as strong.

Ozy's claws are slower then him that is why he needs eight of them to try and keep him in check.

Lizard/Venom are the only ones fast and strong enough, even though I think Spiderman is faster then Lizard.

Sandman was trading blows with him without area of attacks.

He has not faced Rhino yet, so I'm not going to talk about that.

as fast, as strong has slight edge in mobility

4, as fast

as fast, as strong/slightly stronger

first fight he won by blasting sand at Spidey

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Goblins speed and agility and strength feats do not match Spiderman's nor is he anywhere as strong.

Ozy's claws are slower then him that is why he needs eight of them to try and keep him in check.


You have no proof of these...

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
as fast, as strong has slight edge in mobility

4, as fast

as fast, as strong/slightly stronger

first fight he won by blasting sand at Spidey Originally posted by FrothByte
You have no proof of these...

Keep trying fan boys, Batman still wins no matter how hard you wanna low ball. I guess Bane was slower and weaker then Batman as well from your point of view.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You have no proof of these...

Like you said I had no proof of stone columns being made or stone or concrete?

Originally posted by Silent Master
I've heard of them, but actors in action movies these days try and do as much of their own fighting and stunts as possible and Ben just doesn't have it in him anymore.

Are you the security guard at some backlot in hollywood who gives the pass on entrance and if the particular actor gives you a tip or talks to you for longer then 2 seconds you give them a good review on KMC? You literally have no idea what your talking about or have seen half the movies you talking about.

Nor have you seen the upcoming Batman movie and your already making assumptions about things in which you have no idea about. Ever heard of don't put the cart before the horse? If you wanna go learn how to do kick flips and children's tumble rolls go learn how to do gymnastics at the local YMCA.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Keep trying fan boys, Batman still wins no matter how hard you wanna low ball. I guess Bane was slower and weaker then Batman as well from your point of view. nope Bane in every medium is meant to be stronger than the bat

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
nope Bane in every medium is meant to be stronger than the bat

So he took out a stronger faster opponent them him being in a weaker state and much older then him with a broken down body. What I have been saying all along.

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
nope Bane in every medium is meant to be stronger than the bat This is right. Bane is Batmans superior in almost every way psychically. That's why Bats always has to cut off the venom supply to win. When Bats won in the movie, it's because he cut off Banes painkiller supply by destroying the apparatus on his face.

Batman loses this fight though.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So he took out a stronger faster opponent them him being in a weaker state and much older then him with a broken down body. What I have been saying all along.

In the Nolan movies Batman did it through weakness exploitation and a rather unimpressive final fight.

Also who other than Batman has Bane beaten up that could possibly match Batroc. Better yet who has Batman beaten with comparable skills to Batroc. Take this fight for instance:
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Ras was able to handle a Prime Batman who had thicker armor. Although Ras is skilled I doubt he would be skilled enough to fight a superhuman.

Nolan's Batman is relatively weak

Originally posted by Firefly218
Nolan's Batman is relatively weak He was impressive in Begins. It was all downhill after that for him though.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
In the Nolan movies Batman did it through weakness exploitation and a rather unimpressive final fight.

Also who other than Batman has Bane beaten up that could possibly match Batroc. Better yet who has Batman beaten with comparable skills to Batroc. Take this fight for instance:
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Ras was able to handle a Prime Batman who had thicker armor. Although Ras is skilled I doubt he would be skilled enough to fight a superhuman.

Ur Batroc feats vs Batmana feats can take a hike as Batroc has zero.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Nolan's Batman is relatively weak

Crushing a moving Van with his body and walking away from it is weak I guess in your book.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Nolan's Batman is relatively weak

To add he is the strongest most durable Batman we have ever seen on screen, unless you think Clooney was stronger.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Crushing a moving Van with his body and walking away from it is weak I guess in your book.

I said relatively weak. Batroc's feats, although limited, were more impressive to me. Batman is just a brawler.

He was pretty great in Begins though.