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Ra's (Arrow)

vs

Achilles

Swordfight

Ras, he's actually immortal and his fighting abilities are better than pittchilles

Originally posted by relentless1
Ras, he's actually immortal and his fighting abilities are better than pittchilles

It's not that simple. The Laz Pitt has nothing to do with this fight.

Its a straight up sword fight.

What makes you think he could take Achilles?

His sword fight shows the same feats that Achilles had shown in his fight against Hector only Ras did it much more nonchalantly than Achilles so by that comparison I thin Ras edges out Achilles in battle prowess.

Originally posted by relentless1
His sword fight show the same feats that Achilles show in his fight against Hector only Ras did it much more nonchalantly than Achilles so by that comparison I thin Ras edges out Achilles in battle prowess.

Yes but then again he went up against a guy whos weapon of choice is a bow. Ra's already had the upper hand. He was a master long before Arrow learned anything. Arrow is no way shape or form the swordsman Achilles is.

just because his favoured weapon is a bow doesn't mean he's not proficient in swordplay, in fact id say learning from Slade initially he probably picked up a lot of good tricks with the sword. Anyway thats not really the point, Hector was clearly inferior to Achilles and yet they fought on even keel for a little while, Ras and Ollie never fought on even levels, Ras started off bare handed and STILL schooled Arrow very easily, I don't think Achilles could have replicated that feat as easily with Hector. At the end of the day all we have to go on is the two characters and the fight that they have had and compare the two, the outcome is that Ras has had a more impressive one on one showing than Achilles did, don't get me wrong though I think it would be a great fight between the two, probably the best one on one you've come up with for arrow Ras yet.

Hector and Achilles were not on even keel. Achilles was toying with Hector.

as ras was toying with Ollie, Ras made it looks way easier though is what I'm saying here

This is a tough one to call. Ra's, based on what little we have seen so far, is probably the best combatant in the Arrow universe. And Achilles is the best fighter in his respective universe. Based on Ra's' lack of many feats with a sword, I am tempted to say Achilles, but I think that Ra's (who would have a lot more experience, given his age) could also pull off a win. Need more showings for Ra's in order to give a better answer.

Relentless reasoning makes sense.

Originally posted by Quincy
Relentless reasoning makes sense.

Assuming that you think Ollie is a better sword fighter then Hector, yes it would make sense. However that is not the case.

based on feats, and not assumptions, Achilles has better speed and agility feats.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yes but then again he went up against a guy whos weapon of choice is a bow. Ra's already had the upper hand. He was a master long before Arrow learned anything. Arrow is no way shape or form the swordsman Achilles is.

Which movie are you talking about with Ra's ?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Which movie are you talking about with Ra's ?

TV show Arrow

Achilles wins, and it wouldn't even be close. How are you going to compare Ollie's sword skills to Hector's sword skills? Hector waged wars on battlefields filled with real warriors, and was waging these wars for years. Experience is something that people should be paying attention to. Achilles made a seasoned warrior look like a first class amateur, and he would do the same to Ras Al Ghul. Achilles is also far stronger, and more agile. Look at how easily he dispatched Boagrius a man that made entire armies squirm.

Originally posted by Stoic
Achilles wins, and it wouldn't even be close. How are you going to compare Ollie's sword skills to Hector's sword skills? Hector waged wars on battlefields filled with real warriors, and was waging these wars for years. Experience is something that people should be paying attention to. Achilles made a seasoned warrior look like a first class amateur, and he would do the same to Ras Al Ghul. Achilles is also far stronger, and more agile. Look at how easily he dispatched Boagrius a man that made entire armies squirm.

I disagree with saying Achilles would basically stomp Ra's. Firstly, Ra's potentially has more experience than Achilles and Hector combined. We don't know how old he is, but we know that he is a lot older than he looks. And he has killed several thousand people during his life. So claiming that combat experience would be in favour of Achilles is speculation at best.

Also, while Ollie's weapon of choice is a bow, he has shown to be quite competent with several other types of weapons, including swords. Not saying he is as skilled with them as Hector or Achilles, but he certainly is no chump. And people need to take note of the caliber of the Arrowverse in general. This is a universe where the high end players casually catch arrows shot at them at fairly short range. A feat that is basically superhuman in the real world.

Ollie has also held his own against war veterans, world class assassins, super soldiers, and also got the better of a bloodlusted Flash. And Ra's casually took him apart. Also, based on what exactly is Achilles far stronger and more agile than a guy who makes Ollie, who can hold his own against metahumans, look like an amateur?

I am not saying Ra's wins. We need more showings to get a better overall idea of what he is capable of. But claiming that Achilles easily beats him, based on what we know of both, is jumping the gun a bit IMO.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I disagree with saying Achilles would basically stomp Ra's. Firstly, Ra's potentially has more experience than Achilles and Hector combined. We don't know how old he is, but we know that he is a lot older than he looks. And he has killed several thousand people during his life. So claiming that combat experience would be in favour of Achilles is speculation at best.

Also, while Ollie's weapon of choice is a bow, he has shown to be quite competent with several other types of weapons, including swords. Not saying he is as skilled with them as Hector or Achilles, but he certainly is no chump. And people need to take note of the caliber of the Arrowverse in general. This is a universe where the high end players casually catch arrows shot at them at fairly short range. A feat that is basically superhuman in the real world.

Ollie has also held his own against war veterans, world class assassins, super soldiers, and also got the better of a bloodlusted Flash. And Ra's casually took him apart. Also, based on what exactly is Achilles far stronger and more agile than a guy who makes Ollie, who can hold his own against metahumans, look like an amateur?

I am not saying Ra's wins. We need more showings to get a better overall idea of what he is capable of. But claiming that Achilles easily beats him, based on what we know of both, is jumping the gun a bit IMO.

We do know when he was born though. He was born roughly 600 years ago. Now even though he lived in a time that might made right. This does not mean that he did not lose his edge, nor does that mean that he was an elite warrior like Achilles or even Hector was. It also does not take 600 years to master any particular martial arts style. Achilles trained daily on how to kill a man, he could tear a man off of a horse by throwing a spear from over 50 meters away. This would make the greatest Quarterback to ever live, look like wimps in terms of throwing power.

You can't compare Ollie's meager skills to Hector whose experience poops all over his. Hector would have likely been Ollie's teacher if they lived in the same time. Achilles made Hector look like an amateur, and drew the fight out. Achilles didn't grow tired. Achilles was the son of a mythological deity, one of the Heroes of old. The very ground that he walked on favored him in battles. Achilles basically had supernatural skill, while Ras Al Ghul is just another man that prolonged their lives.

His age has nothing to do with him being seasoned enough to take someone stronger than he is, or more agile. Living in our time Ras' mind would not be fixed on battling another human on a daily basis like Achilles' mind would be. You may be able to play chess well, but you would be destroyed by someone that plays chess in their mind all day long. Achilles wins, because he constantly hones his skill to win. Not even Monarch's dared tell him what he should have done. Entire armies filled with thousands of warriors feared his approach, and saw him as death in the flesh.

Originally posted by Stoic
We do know when he was born though. He was born roughly 600 years ago. Now even though he lived in a time that might made right. This does not mean that he did not lose his edge, nor does that mean that he was an elite warrior like Achilles or even Hector was. It also does not take 600 years to master any particular martial arts style. Achilles trained daily on how to kill a man, he could tear a man off of a horse by throwing a spear from over 50 meters away. This would make the greatest Quarterback to ever live, look like wimps in terms of throwing power.

You can't compare Ollie's meager skills to Hector whose experience poops all over his. Hector would have likely been Ollie's teacher if they lived in the same time. Achilles made Hector look like an amateur, and drew the fight out. Achilles didn't grow tired. Achilles was the son of a mythological deity, one of the Heroes of old. The very ground that he walked on favored him in battles. Achilles basically had supernatural skill, while Ras Al Ghul is just another man that prolonged their lives.

His age has nothing to do with him being seasoned enough to take someone stronger than he is, or more agile. Living in our time Ras' mind would not be fixed on battling another human on a daily basis like Achilles' mind would be. You may be able to play chess well, but you would be destroyed by someone that plays chess in their mind all day long. Achilles wins, because he constantly hones his skill to win. Not even Monarch's dared tell him what he should have done. Entire armies filled with thousands of warriors feared his approach, and saw him as death in the flesh.

You're basing your assumptions on a whole lot of... well, assumptions and not enough on screen proof. Hector didn't exactly showcase that much sword skill. The only real proof we have of his skill is Achilles saying he was the best he faced. But really, who has Hector beat with his sword skill other than the average grunt? Sure he beat Ajax, but that was more circumstance than skill.

Now Oliver, he's a guy who's able to match Slade's sword skill, and constantly goes up against guys with staffs and sticks and swords... and he always holds his own if not outright wins. Not only that, he goes up against people with guns and is fast enough to evade most of these shots.

Hector doesn't have any of these feats. So to say that Hector is a better fighter than Oliver is silly.

As for Ra's and Achilles... I'm leaning a bit on Achilles' side just because he had more on screen feats and I found them more impressive... but it honestly can go either way.

Hector vs. Oliver though - I'm definitely siding with Oliver.