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Who gets KOed first ?

Which Wolverine?

1. Metal claws loses.

2. Bone claws loses worse

3. Metal bones with bone claws loses more worse than 1 but less worse than 2

Metal splitting shield bash to the face for the win.

Wolvies damage soak may be too much for the Avenger, his output isn't too shabby either, its a pretty good fight but I see it as a stalemate; Caps a better fighter but he can't KO or kill Logan

No reason a shield bash to the head wouldn't KO movie logan. He had the same adamantium bones when that bullet koed him.

I don't any reason why Cap couldn't beat the adamantium off of Wolverine's bones, then rip his head off and eat it.

Cap took multiple shots to the face with WS's robot arm without getting KO'd. Wolverine loses this as long as Cap is allowed a shield bash.

haven't seen age of ultron until tomorrow but even w/o those feats cap beats up logan

Originally posted by Mindset
I don't any reason why Cap couldn't beat the adamantium off of Wolverine's bones, then rip his head off and eat it.

only right answer

Cuts Logan's head off

metal claw logan knows he ca't fight fair so he fakes and damges stave, not fatally but he does scratch him before the adamantium is beaten off him

Cap's a far better fighter and far stronger. He "could" possible knock Wolverine out but unlike Wolverine he can be disarmed and he needs his shield to survive CQC with Wolverine who will be just as fresh as he was at the onset of battle and not to mention his "shield" is his own body

Gotta give Wolverine the odds

Considering the number of times movie Logan has been ko'd, I don't see him standing up to Cap's damage output for long.

Cap. He did well alone against Ultron too.

Wolverine's only hope is a surprise claw reveal. If Cap knows about them Logan is screwed.

Cap wins again, better feats.

Wolverine

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine

Try watching the movies before commenting on them.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Try watching the movies before commenting on them.



don't worry carver will say the same shit after cap: civil war comes out

True, he'd probably say the say thing even if Cap ends up beating up Iron-man in hth.

I have to say, when Wolverine fights other single characters, he pretty much just keeps on coming, and does not get KOed. Yes lesser, more inexperienced, versions have him been knocked out, usually when hit unawares, but when he fights other super-characters, especially one on one, he does not stop until he wins. Anyone thinking Cap would run over Wolverine is kidding themselves. Not saying Logan will win here, but this would be one heck of a fight.

Actually, Ill add that I will vote for Cap in the end (his shield is the perfect counter for Logans claws), just as I would if this were their comic forms, but Ill again support this being one Heck of a good, solid fight.

can't refute the logic

Originally posted by DTM
Actually, Ill add that I will vote for Cap in the end (his shield is the perfect counter for Logans claws), just as I would if this were their comic forms, but Ill again support this being one Heck of a good, solid fight.

Actually comic book Logan kicks comic book caps ass, Logan in the comics is a much better fighter, but they fail to show that in the films

yeah, i wish he was more broody in the films

steverules_2, if you also read the comic, Cap & Logan fought together in WWII. Re-read the issue. Although Logan wasn't a Howling Commando, both men fought together and knew each other well on Normandy (D-Day). Steve wouldn't engage Logan because he would consider him a friend.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Considering the number of times movie Logan has been ko'd, I don't see him standing up to Cap's damage output for long.

I see, using low feats only eh? The reality is, Logan has beaten better people than Cap, and considerably better. He also has high durability showings you seem to be forgetting here. I could easily say, if Juggs (somebody far stronger than Cap and more striking power, can't KO logan than Cap has no hope) See how that works? Let's also not forgetting the Phoenix basically trying to fry him into ash like she was doing to everybody else. Only Wolverine was tanking it, stuff that would've outright killed Cap or at least KO'd him. I could cite him dealing with Sentinels... Again somebody more powerful than WS or Cap. Same with the S.S. somebody more powerful than WS and easily. The reality is that Wolverine has beaten better people and stood up to more damage. How people can claim Cap wins, and even easily is just retarded. If anything, this is Wolverine's fight to lose.

Originally posted by DTM
Actually, Ill add that I will vote for Cap in the end (his shield is the perfect counter for Logans claws), just as I would if this were their comic forms, but Ill again support this being one Heck of a good, solid fight.

Based on comic feats Wolverine beats Steve and it's spite.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I see, using low feats only eh? The reality is, Logan has beaten better people than Cap, and considerably better. He also has high durability showings you seem to be forgetting here. I could easily say, if Juggs (somebody far stronger than Cap and more striking power, can't KO logan than Cap has no hope) See how that works? Let's also not forgetting the Phoenix basically trying to fry him into ash like she was doing to everybody else. Only Wolverine was tanking it, stuff that would've outright killed Cap or at least KO'd him. I could cite him dealing with Sentinels... Again somebody more powerful than WS or Cap. Same with the S.S. somebody more powerful than WS and easily. The reality is that Wolverine has beaten better people and stood up to more damage. How people can claim Cap wins, and even easily is just retarded. If anything, this is Wolverine's fight to lose.

Ok so name the ones who were

a. Stronger than Cap that Wolverine has beaten
b. Faster than Cap that Wolverine has beaten
c. More skilled than Cap that Wolverine has beaten

Problem with Juggs is that he may be stronger than Cap but he's not even close to the same speed or skill.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok so name the ones who were

a. Stronger than Cap that Wolverine has beaten
b. Faster than Cap that Wolverine has beaten
c. More skilled than Cap that Wolverine has beaten

Problem with Juggs is that he may be stronger than Cap but he's not even close to the same speed or skill.

None of them have to be more skilled or stronger or more durable or anything to be overall more powerful. Just because Phoenix isn't as skilled h2h doesn't change the fact that she would curb Cap with the utmost ease.

Further, Juggs is most defiantly stronger and has more striking power. Yet he was unable to KO wolverine. This comment was made directly to Silent who claimed Wolverine has been KO'd enough times in movies that Steve should have no issue. Thus me pointing this out clearly makes said statement completely false.

Juggs is stronger than Cap or Bucky
Juggs has more striking power than Cap or Bucky
Juggs is more durable than either of them

Phoenix is just overall more powerful.. nothing further needs to be said here

Sabertooth I would venture to say is just as strong as Cap or Bucky but it's hard since he has no strength feats really. However, in overall formidability I'd say he's every bit as dangerous as Cap or bucky and likely more so considering his claws, regen and skills

Wolverine Weapon X and was holding his own. Somebody that again, is more powerful than either Cap or Bucky. . His array of abilities makes him vastly more formidable. He's also more skilled than Cap or Bucky and a better Regen.

Wolverine went head on with the S.S. who I'd say is likely stronger than either Cap or Bucky. Not as fast obviously but thanks to his Adamantium he's more durable. Plus he had a weapon that could cut Adamantium.. Something Steve could only dream of doing.

He's battled Sentinels before, who again, are more formidable than either Cap or Bucky and he's beaten them. They can also get VASTLY stronger than Cap or Bucky and are more durable. They are just plain better overall in formidability.

he also fought another formidable foe with adamantium in Origins. It was his female counterpart.. claws.. adamantium... very skilled and thus formidable. He beat her as well.

Point is, Wolverine has a long and decorated history of beating people far more formidable than Cap or Bucky. Which is the point I was making.

Cap can hit with a lot more force then a bullet. Though to be fair to Wolverine that bullet showing is probably a low showing. I still think Cap should win though.

If Juggs couldn't KO wolverine after some punches and a kick.. how is Rogers going to turn the trick?

Tbf, using Wolverine "beating" Phoenix is suspect. Phoenix > Magneto and Magneto regularly spanks Logan.

Agreed... He simply asked who he's faced that is blah blah blah better than Steve... So I answered.

Cap should win.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Sabertooth I would venture to say is just as strong as Cap or Bucky but it's hard since he has no strength feats really. However, in overall formidability I'd say he's every bit as dangerous as Cap or bucky and likely more so considering his claws, regen and skills

Sabretooth has no feats that put him above Cap, other than his healing. And a straight hit to the face, once Logan got adamantium, was enough to KO him. And how would his "skills" make him more so? What has he done to suggest he is more skillful than either Cap or Bucky?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Wolverine Weapon X and was holding his own. Somebody that again, is more powerful than either Cap or Bucky. . His array of abilities makes him vastly more formidable. He's also more skilled than Cap or Bucky and a better Regen.

He was totally outclassed and getting his ass kicked. He was just about to lose his head when Creed interfered. Let's not pretend like Logan had a snowball's chance in hell of beating Weapon X on his own.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Wolverine went head on with the S.S. who I'd say is likely stronger than either Cap or Bucky. Not as fast obviously but thanks to his Adamantium he's more durable. Plus he had a weapon that could cut Adamantium.. Something Steve could only dream of doing.

Again, Wolverine was losing and even getting his regen drained when someone interfered and stuck a blade (think it was still one of Logan's lopped off claws) in S.S.'s head. So again, another fight Logan was losing before someone interfered.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

He's battled Sentinels before, who again, are more formidable than either Cap or Bucky and he's beaten them. They can also get VASTLY stronger than Cap or Bucky and are more durable. They are just plain better overall in formidability.

The past Sentinels? More formidable than Cap or Bucky? Based on what exactly? Firing a minigun into a crowd of innocent people? Cap's easily taken out a faster, more agile flying thing, with a mounted minigun before too. And Logan is never shown battling future Sentinels (first fight he isn't even there, second one he is unconscious on a table), so we have no idea how he'd perform against them. Also, during the encounter in the past, Beast ended up taking over fighting the one sentinel while Logan went after Magneto, and in the Danger Room training he needed Colossus' assistance with the toss to decap the fake one.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

he also fought another formidable foe with adamantium in Origins. It was his female counterpart.. claws.. adamantium... very skilled and thus formidable. He beat her as well.

He was outclassed and getting his ass kicked again throughout that entire fight, and needed to inject her with liquid adamantium to win. Which is not a factor in this match.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Point is, Wolverine has a long and decorated history of beating people far more formidable than Cap or Bucky. Which is the point I was making.

The only being on this list Logan beat purely by his own combat abilities was Sabretooth, and that was after he got adamantium. All the others he had help or exploited something in the environment.

Don't get me wrong. Wolverine is tough and will make Cap work for it. But the fact remains that Cap with his shield should have enough strength to knock Logan out. And he is also faster, more agile, and displays more skill. That being said, Steve would need to go for the quick KO. If this match drags on and Logan starts scoring hits, it's going to tip decidedly in his favour.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Based on comic feats Wolverine beats Steve and it's spite.

Not IMHO, though I would say that a comic fight between these two would be a bit closer than using their movie versions.

Originally posted by DTM
Not IMHO, though I would say that a comic fight between these two would be a bit closer than using their movie versions.

Let's just say the last time they fought, Cap ended up with his gut split open and Ant-Man had to push Logan out of a moving Quinjet to save Steve's life.

Originally posted by KingD19
Let's just say the last time they fought, Cap ended up with his gut split open and Ant-Man had to push Logan out of a moving Quinjet to save Steve's life.

Blowing things out of proportionthere

it was more of a slice across his chest, There were no guts showing.

i am going to be honest here, when did logan take down a sentinel. i remember magneto dropping the stadium around the presidential announcement ceremony and logan trying to take on a sentinel with bone claws only to fail and get knocked back

Originally posted by Kazenji
Blowing things out of proportionthere

it was more of a slice across his chest, There were no guts showing.

I said his gut was split open, not his guts were falling out of his body. "Gut" can also mean stomach/chest/torso area. He was wounded pretty bad and if Ant-Man hadn't jumped in, Cap might not have survived that fight.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Tbf, using Wolverine "beating" Phoenix is suspect. Phoenix > Magneto and Magneto regularly spanks Logan.

Wolverine didn't even beat the Phoenix, Jean temporarily took over and let Wolverine shank her. The Phoenix was also suffering from being influenced by Jeans feelings for Logan. Since the Phoenix could of EASILY tossed Logan far far away with TK. Or just targeted the brain inside his skull and squished it, she wouldn't need to worry about destroying adamantium if she just focused on his insides.

She also had telepathy strong enough to fend off Xavier and was even shown as able to shut off mutant powers. Anyone trying to use that encounter for anything positive for Wolverine is reaching.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Sabretooth has no feats that put him above Cap, other than his healing. And a straight hit to the face, once Logan got adamantium, was enough to KO him. And how would his "skills" make him more so? What has he done to suggest he is more skillful than either Cap or Bucky?



He was totally outclassed and getting his ass kicked. He was just about to lose his head when Creed interfered. Let's not pretend like Logan had a snowball's chance in hell of beating Weapon X on his own.



Again, Wolverine was losing and even getting his regen drained when someone interfered and stuck a blade (think it was still one of Logan's lopped off claws) in S.S.'s head. So again, another fight Logan was losing before someone interfered.



The past Sentinels? More formidable than Cap or Bucky? Based on what exactly? Firing a minigun into a crowd of innocent people? Cap's easily taken out a faster, more agile flying thing, with a mounted minigun before too. And Logan is never shown battling future Sentinels (first fight he isn't even there, second one he is unconscious on a table), so we have no idea how he'd perform against them. Also, during the encounter in the past, Beast ended up taking over fighting the one sentinel while Logan went after Magneto, and in the Danger Room training he needed Colossus' assistance with the toss to decap the fake one.



He was outclassed and getting his ass kicked again throughout that entire fight, and needed to inject her with liquid adamantium to win. Which is not a factor in this match.



The only being on this list Logan beat purely by his own combat abilities was Sabretooth, and that was after he got adamantium. All the others he had help or exploited something in the environment.

Don't get me wrong. Wolverine is tough and will make Cap work for it. But the fact remains that Cap with his shield should have enough strength to knock Logan out. And he is also faster, more agile, and displays more skill. That being said, Steve would need to go for the quick KO. If this match drags on and Logan starts scoring hits, it's going to tip decidedly in his favour.

I disagree strongly with your conclusion that a shield strike would KO him. if you use his low showings.. sure, maybe. Not if you use his highs or if you average them out. If Juggs, somebody exponentially stronger with more striking power couldn't KO Wolverine, then Steve has no chance. See how that works? We do this song and dance all day, but the sound conclusion isn't that Steve would likely KO Wolverine with his shield. That isn't the logical conclusion all feats considering.

Logan Ko'd him... When? You said when he got Adamantium.. which would imply the first time they met after he got it. That would be in the streets of N.O. when he met Gambit. At no point was he KO'd then. Even when they met later at Strykers facility he wasn't KO'd. He was talking to Logan telling him to kill him and that he's finally becoming the animal he was born to be. Point is, Sabertooth was fast, agile and strong enough to get the jump on Wolverine and temp KO him. Getting the jump on Wolverine is impressive considering his senses. I'd say swinging that big tree would take a lot of strength. Even his speed was on display fighting the teleport guy.. granted he said he predicted his movement, but he still needed to execute with speed. He did so. I'd say Sabertooth with how vicious he is, healing, claws, strength and agility all make him formidable. His healing combined with the other factors make him every bit as formidable as cap and likely slightly more so.

Wrong again, watch the fight again or I'll post the video for your recollection. When they first met in the hanger... they were exchanging blows.. Wolverine was parrying strikes and landing blows. He even landed what would be a killing blow on Weapon X, only for his exceptional healing did he not die. To say he was getting his butt kick tells me you need to rewatch the fight.

Wrong again, Logan was holding his own just fine. It was a long drawn out fight with Wolverine landing blows.. tackling him 4 or 5 stories.. out maneuvering him etc etc. Again, this is somebody more formidable than Cap or Bucky and Wolverine was holding his own.

Of course we know, he lasted as long as he did surely by beating some sentinels correct. To even get to the point where most of the mutants were exterminated means he must've taken quite a few out. It had been years and years since they got Mystique's DNA to help make the sentinels adapt. Guess what, in all those years are you telling me Wolverine never met one Sentinel and beat them? Common sense and logic would dictate otherwise, and I think you'd agree with that. Besides we see him kill past sentinels and training ones...

I don't disagree with you that it would be a good fight. It would. It's my opinion that it's Wolverine's fight to lose, not the other way around.

Originally posted by Surtur
Wolverine didn't even beat the Phoenix, Jean temporarily took over and let Wolverine shank her. The Phoenix was also suffering from being influenced by Jeans feelings for Logan. Since the Phoenix could of EASILY tossed Logan far far away with TK. Or just targeted the brain inside his skull and squished it, she wouldn't need to worry about destroying adamantium if she just focused on his insides.

She also had telepathy strong enough to fend off Xavier and was even shown as able to shut off mutant powers. Anyone trying to use that encounter for anything positive for Wolverine is reaching.

The phoenix was trying to kill him and failed. She tried turning him into ass numerous times and he regenerated. She was absolutely going to kill him. It's not a valid argument to say well this person didn't do this or that or else they would've won. If we viewed movie fights or Comic fights that way each and every fight would be thrown out. Not a valid stance.

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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The phoenix was trying to kill him and failed. She tried turning him into ass numerous times and he regenerated. She was absolutely going to kill him. It's not a valid argument to say well this person didn't do this or that or else they would've won. If we viewed movie fights or Comic fights that way each and every fight would be thrown out. Not a valid stance.


Considering Phoenix was disintigrating entire portions of the island, along with buildings, vehicles, and large groups of soldiers in seconds, saying she failed to kill him is just wrong.

Even if she didn't kill him outright, there's no reason she shouldn't have been able to take all his flesh off in an instant like she did everything else. Wolverine's HF is awesome, but it's obvious his skin/muscle tissue isn't anymore durable than normal since he's been shot with bullets, arrows, burned, etc...

Jean's love for Logan was apparently so great she killed her husband with no problem and struggled with him. So based on evidence the only reason she couldn't at least turn him into a shiny pile of bones is because Jean was holding Phoenix back against him.

Also if you average Logan's high and low showings... that still makes him susceptible to getting hurt enough that he'll have a hard time to continue fighting.

Originally posted by KingD19
Considering Phoenix was disintigrating entire portions of the island, along with buildings, vehicles, and large groups of soldiers in seconds, saying she failed to kill him is just wrong.

Even if she didn't kill him outright, there's no reason she shouldn't have been able to take all his flesh off in an instant like she did everything else. Wolverine's HF is awesome, but it's obvious his skin/muscle tissue isn't anymore durable than normal since he's been shot with bullets, arrows, burned, etc...

Jean's love for Logan was apparently so great she killed her husband with no problem and struggled with him. So based on evidence the only reason she couldn't at least turn him into a shiny pile of bones is because Jean was holding Phoenix back against him.

Wut??? Were you watching the same movie? Numerous people were literally turned to ash. We literally see the same effect happening to wolverine... Ash like material coming from his body and being blown away.. he just kept regenerating. We see this over and over again. The same ashy substance appears coming from his body as it appeared to look when people were disintegrated. Thus, she was trying to kill him, and he survived said attempts numerous times.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wut??? Were you watching the same movie? Numerous people were literally turned to ash. We literally see the same effect happening to wolverine... Ash like material coming from his body and being blown away.. he just kept regenerating. We see this over and over again. The same ashy substance appears coming from his body as it appeared to look when people were disintegrated. Thus, she was trying to kill him, and he survived said attempts numerous times.


Look at the part where I said "Phoenix disintegrated entire portions of the island, along with buildings, vehicles, and people." So yes we watched the same movie. Also look where I said she held back against him. Because she literally turned chunks of the island as well as vehicles and buildings into nothingness. His HF is not strong enough to overpower a force that insta-kills things on a much larger scale than him. She was holding back.

If Phoenix really wanted to stop Logan, she could just hold him in place. She wouldn't need to disintegrate him.

Originally posted by KingD19
Look at the part where I said "Phoenix disintegrated entire portions of the island, along with buildings, vehicles, and people." So yes we watched the same movie. Also look where I said she held back against him. Because she literally turned chunks of the island as well as vehicles and buildings into nothingness. His HF is not strong enough to overpower a force that insta-kills things on a much larger scale than him. She was holding back.

KT doesn't like movie Cap, just look at the Cap vs Legolas thread.

Originally posted by Silent Master
KT doesn't like movie Cap, just look at the Cap vs Legolas thread.

You mean the thread that others also thought Legolas would win? That thread?

Originally posted by KingD19
Look at the part where I said "Phoenix disintegrated entire portions of the island, along with buildings, vehicles, and people." So yes we watched the same movie. Also look where I said she held back against him. Because she literally turned chunks of the island as well as vehicles and buildings into nothingness. His HF is not strong enough to overpower a force that insta-kills things on a much larger scale than him. She was holding back.

That is speculation on your part. We literally see the same ashy fire substance getting blown off of him as his fighting forward. The substance appears to be exactly the same as when we see people turned to ash. I refuse to believe she wasn't trying to kill him in that scene, and the evidence supports my conclusion. There is no getting around this fact. Now, of course Phoenix could've done different things to beat Logan and for whatever reason didn't. I'm not arguing that she couldn't have done other stuff. I'm simply dismissing the notion that she didn't try and kill him. She did, and failed.

Originally posted by Silent Master
KT doesn't like movie Cap, just look at the Cap vs Legolas thread.

Yeah. That thread was a hoot.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That is speculation on your part. We literally see the same ashy fire substance getting blown off of him as his fighting forward. The substance appears to be exactly the same as when we see people turned to ash. I refuse to believe she wasn't trying to kill him in that scene, and the evidence supports my conclusion. There is no getting around this fact. Now, of course Phoenix could've done different things to beat Logan and for whatever reason didn't. I'm not arguing that she couldn't have done other stuff. I'm simply dismissing the notion that she didn't try and kill him. She did, and failed.


So you're saying you believe Logan's HF which takes a few seconds to heal bullet wounds and isn't strong enough to retain his memories is so powerful it can stave off instant disintegration of such magnitude it was destroying hundreds of thousands of tons of debris because it was killing an island?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I disagree strongly with your conclusion that a shield strike would KO him. if you use his low showings.. sure, maybe. Not if you use his highs or if you average them out. If Juggs, somebody exponentially stronger with more striking power couldn't KO Wolverine, then Steve has no chance. See how that works? We do this song and dance all day, but the sound conclusion isn't that Steve would likely KO Wolverine with his shield. That isn't the logical conclusion all feats considering.

If we "even" things out as you say, Steve most definitely has enough strength to KO him. Using one showing against Juggs and disregarding consistent showings of him getting KO'd by less is not evening things out. Wolverine has been KO'd multiple times by forces less than Steve can exert. And multiple times = consistent showings, not low ends.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Logan Ko'd him... When? You said when he got Adamantium.. which would imply the first time they met after he got it. That would be in the streets of N.O. when he met Gambit. At no point was he KO'd then. Even when they met later at Strykers facility he wasn't KO'd. He was talking to Logan telling him to kill him and that he's finally becoming the animal he was born to be. Point is, Sabertooth was fast, agile and strong enough to get the jump on Wolverine and temp KO him. Getting the jump on Wolverine is impressive considering his senses. I'd say swinging that big tree would take a lot of strength. Even his speed was on display fighting the teleport guy.. granted he said he predicted his movement, but he still needed to execute with speed. He did so. I'd say Sabertooth with how vicious he is, healing, claws, strength and agility all make him formidable. His healing combined with the other factors make him every bit as formidable as cap and likely slightly more so.

Re-watch the movie, and so not the implication I was making. There was one, but it is that Logan needed the adamantium upgrade to beat Creed, considering Creed kicked his ass before that. Not that he KO'd him the first time they fought after he got it.

Logan knocks his ass out during their second fight, after tackling him through a window, while they are at the Weapon X facility. He delivers a straight blow and knocks Creed out. We literally get shown it happening. Or is a guy lying there unconscious and unmoving after getting punched in the face no longer a KO?

I asked you why you said his "skills" make him more so and asked you to show evidence of him being more skilled than Cap or Bucky. Because you listed skills as one of the reasons you believe him to be more formidable. And you did not do that.


Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Wrong again, watch the fight again or I'll post the video for your recollection. When they first met in the hanger... they were exchanging blows.. Wolverine was parrying strikes and landing blows. He even landed what would be a killing blow on Weapon X, only for his exceptional healing did he not die. To say he was getting his butt kick tells me you need to rewatch the fight.

No one ever said Logan didn't land a hit. Please quote me where I said he never landed a hit, and then you can call me wrong. Logan was landing a few blows here and there, but overall Weapon X was dominating him. And again, Logan would have lost without assistance. He did not beat Weapon X one-on-one, which is what people asked you to post feats for.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Wrong again, Logan was holding his own just fine. It was a long drawn out fight with Wolverine landing blows.. tackling him 4 or 5 stories.. out maneuvering him etc etc. Again, this is somebody more formidable than Cap or Bucky and Wolverine was holding his own.

No he wasn't. He was literally being killed until someone interfered. And the only impressive thing about SS was his swords. People asked you to post fights where Wolverine beat people above Cap in the various areas listed. Not land some hits before almost getting killed, only to have someone else aid him.

Honestly, I find it astounding how you won't acknowledge that Cap was keeping up with and holding his own against Ultron, in other threads, when he fought him for an extended period of time, took all his hits and blasts, and was still standing and fighting when Ultron left, but you use two examples of fights where Logan would have died without help to claim he was "holding his own".


Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Of course we know, he lasted as long as he did surely by beating some sentinels correct. To even get to the point where most of the mutants were exterminated means he must've taken quite a few out. It had been years and years since they got Mystique's DNA to help make the sentinels adapt. Guess what, in all those years are you telling me Wolverine never met one Sentinel and beat them? Common sense and logic would dictate otherwise, and I think you'd agree with that. Besides we see him kill past sentinels and training ones...

So you are making things up with zero onscreen proof to back it? Gotcha. Until we have actual proof that Logan can beat a future sentinel one-on-one, all it is is your wishful thinking. And please, we both know that beating a past sentinel doesn't mean anything compared to the future ones. Not to mention when we actually see him fight one in the past he gets knocked on his ass and then Beast jumps in.

We can't just invent feats based on what we think might have been the case. Or anyone on Cap's side can start inventing feats of things he might have done in between movies, while working for SHIELD.

Your initial post was that Wolverine has beaten better people than Cap, to which Froth asked you to post examples. The only person you listed who Logan beat legitimately, on his own, through sheer skill and ability, is Creed, and he has no feats putting anything except his healing above Cap's.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

I don't disagree with you that it would be a good fight. It would. It's my opinion that it's Wolverine's fight to lose, not the other way around.

Well, guess we are disagreeing on who holds the advantage. Because Cap has all the stat advantages other than healing, and healing is only going to become a factor (get it? ) if the match gets drawn out.

Wolverine.

Loses.

Badly.

jean basically took over what she could from the phoenix to stop any K'O hits on the jackman. she controlled the power for long enough to ay good bye to hugh and he killed her.

magneto was thrashing wolverine around because (and this will come as a shock) wolverine is covered in metal and magneto can.... wait for it... control metal and magnetif fields. diffrent to jeans power but he is similar in throwing ability... providing there is an adiquete metal source

So far ive got, Logan, Strong enough to withstand Phoenix "Trying with full power to kill him" and KOed by a lone 9mm bullet.

yeah. Cap knocks him out with a few face bashes.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
If we "even" things out as you say, Steve most definitely has enough strength to KO him. Using one showing against Juggs and disregarding consistent showings of him getting KO'd by less is not evening things out. Wolverine has been KO'd multiple times by forces less than Steve can exert. And multiple times = consistent showings, not low ends.



Re-watch the movie, and so not the implication I was making. There was one, but it is that Logan needed the adamantium upgrade to beat Creed, considering Creed kicked his ass before that. Not that he KO'd him the first time they fought after he got it.

Logan knocks his ass out during their second fight, after tackling him through a window, while they are at the Weapon X facility. He delivers a straight blow and knocks Creed out. We literally get shown it happening. Or is a guy lying there unconscious and unmoving after getting punched in the face no longer a KO?

I asked you why you said his "skills" make him more so and asked you to show evidence of him being more skilled than Cap or Bucky. Because you listed skills as one of the reasons you believe him to be more formidable. And you did not do that.




No one ever said Logan didn't land a hit. Please quote me where I said he never landed a hit, and then you can call me wrong. Logan was landing a few blows here and there, but overall Weapon X was dominating him. And again, Logan would have lost without assistance. He did not beat Weapon X one-on-one, which is what people asked you to post feats for.



No he wasn't. He was literally being killed until someone interfered. And the only impressive thing about SS was his swords. People asked you to post fights where Wolverine beat people above Cap in the various areas listed. Not land some hits before almost getting killed, only to have someone else aid him.

Honestly, I find it astounding how you won't acknowledge that Cap was keeping up with and holding his own against Ultron, in other threads, when he fought him for an extended period of time, took all his hits and blasts, and was still standing and fighting when Ultron left, but you use two examples of fights where Logan would have died without help to claim he was "holding his own".




So you are making things up with zero onscreen proof to back it? Gotcha. Until we have actual proof that Logan can beat a future sentinel one-on-one, all it is is your wishful thinking. And please, we both know that beating a past sentinel doesn't mean anything compared to the future ones. Not to mention when we actually see him fight one in the past he gets knocked on his ass and then Beast jumps in.

We can't just invent feats based on what we think might have been the case. Or anyone on Cap's side can start inventing feats of things he might have done in between movies, while working for SHIELD.

Your initial post was that Wolverine has beaten better people than Cap, to which Froth asked you to post examples. The only person you listed who Logan beat legitimately, on his own, through sheer skill and ability, is Creed, and he has no feats putting anything except his healing above Cap's.



Well, guess we are disagreeing on who holds the advantage. Because Cap has all the stat advantages other than healing, and healing is only going to become a factor (get it? ) if the match gets drawn out.


That isn't the only showing though... There are multiple showings where he's taken blows stronger than what Cap could deliver and wasnt' KO'd. When he was sent flying by the Rocket and took out the chopper... The force he would've landed at was more than Cap could deliver and Logan wasn't kept down long enough. Same with the jump out of the speeding airplane in origins. You combine those with his other showings, and no, it's not very likely he'd be KO'd

Oh okay... I wasn't sure what you were referring to and thought you meant the first fight. I'd saw that's a low showing for Creed considering what he's taken as well. Point is, his ruthlessness... claws and Regen make his as formidable as fighting Cap, which was my original premise

You direct quote about the Weapon X fight was this " He was totally outclassed and getting his ass kicked. He was just about to lose his head when Creed interfered. Let's not pretend like Logan had a snowball's chance in hell of beating Weapon X on his own." That si a far cry from how you just described the fight. He wasn't totally outclassed, in fact he was holding his own. Again with somebody well beyond Cap or Bucky. The reality is if you're keeping up with somebody you're keeping up with somebody. Wolverine was keeping up with Weapon X more than Cap was keeping up with Ultron. Sure, Wolverine might not have won in the end, but him dong as well as he did certainly logical indicates to me that he could keep up with or beat somebody inferior to Weapon X.. Cap

No he wsn't being killed at all... he was tackling him down stories ... landing blows...dodging.. outmaneuvering him. This was no stomp. The only real time the SS gained the advantage was when Wolverine ws hanging from the window and he landed a cheapshot and cut off one of his claws. Before that, it was a back and forth fight. I think you should watch it again.

Let me ask you this... Do you believe it's logical to assume Logan never once killed a future sentinel at any point or that he likely killed at least one (likely vastly more, but let's just say one)? Which do you think is more logical? We know they had Mystique's DNA for sometime.. we know the war was going on for sometime... Yet you expect me to believe in all that time Wolverine never killed one? Come on Vault, you know it's logical he did. I understand your point, so this is a tenuous one I agree. Not even saying it's strong evidence since it was never shown. I'm simply saying it's very likely

Cap wins.