The White Walkers vs....
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Stoic
What army in any show or movie would have the best chance of defeating the White Walkers from Game of Thrones.
The battle takes place in any frozen tundra like location.
Swords, shields, and armor only.
Lestov16
Is the Night King there to resurrect the dead, or is it just the wights?
KingD19
The Golden Army from Hellboy 2.
You've basically got 4,900 giant-ish robots that can fight forever, can't be harmed by any of the Wight's or Walker's weapons, and can one shot pretty much everyone they hit.
Even if by some miracle they're hurt, they just put themselves back together.
Stoic
Originally posted by Lestov16
Is the Night King there to resurrect the dead, or is it just the wights?
Yes
Stoic
Originally posted by Lestov16
Is the Night King there to resurrect the dead, or is it just the wights?
Sorry Lestov, I was busy. Yes he's there.
Robtard
Dead Men of Dunharrow /thread
Time Immemorial
Originally posted by KingD19
The Golden Army from Hellboy 2.
You've basically got 4,900 giant-ish robots that can fight forever, can't be harmed by any of the Wight's or Walker's weapons, and can one shot pretty much everyone they hit.
Even if by some miracle they're hurt, they just put themselves back together.
Great pick.
Genesis-Soldier
anything with weapons that are stronger/as durable as Valerian Steel.
havent seen a white walker taken out by any ranged weaponry so i am willing to guess a China Lake or M7 semi automatic grenade launcher could take out the walker if the shell is not frozen.
Stoic
Originally posted by Genesis-Soldier
anything with weapons that are stronger/as durable as Valerian Steel.
havent seen a white walker taken out by any ranged weaponry so i am willing to guess a China Lake or M7 semi automatic grenade launcher could take out the walker if the shell is not frozen.
That type of weaponry isn't allowed. The army has to be wearing medieval armor and weaponry.
ares834
Originally posted by KingD19
The Golden Army from Hellboy 2.
You've basically got 4,900 giant-ish robots that can fight forever, can't be harmed by any of the Wight's or Walker's weapons, and can one shot pretty much everyone they hit.
Even if by some miracle they're hurt, they just put themselves back together.
The walkers can shatter metal. Not sure if the Golden Army would be all that useful against that.
KingD19
Originally posted by ares834
The walkers can shatter metal. Not sure if the Golden Army would be all that useful against that.
They can shatter normal metal. Well we only know for certain they can shatter iron/steel. They can't shatter Valerian Steel, they can't shatter Dragon Glass. And they can't shatter the magically forged, indestructible Golden Army. And any damage they possible could do will heal, as not only did they put themselves back together, any damanged pieces fixed themselves. Remember Hellboy was blowing them apart with his gun, Johan was destroying them when he took a robot over, etc...
And then what happened? Every single one they destroyed(over a dozen) put themselves back together and went right back to fighting. Even pieces that had been completely shattered and destroyed were just fine.
Utrigita
The Golden Army will tear them apart.
ares834
Originally posted by KingD19
They can shatter normal metal. Well we only know for certain they can shatter iron/steel. They can't shatter Valerian Steel, they can't shatter Dragon Glass. And they can't shatter the magically forged, indestructible Golden Army. And any damage they possible could do will heal, as not only did they put themselves back together, any damanged pieces fixed themselves. Remember Hellboy was blowing them apart with his gun, Johan was destroying them when he took a robot over, etc...
And then what happened? Every single one they destroyed(over a dozen) put themselves back together and went right back to fighting. Even pieces that had been completely shattered and destroyed were just fine.
As you yourself point out, Hellboys gun was breaking them. I've little doubt that the WW's can shatter the Golden Army robots.
Their ability to repair themselves will be the big hurdle I'll admit and one the WW's are unlikely to overcome.
KingD19
Yes. A revolver the size of a shotgun that shot what might as well have been 50. cal rounds at them destroyed them.
I'm gonna need proof the Walkers can destroy more than steel and iron. Because Valerian Steel is steel tempered with magical runes and they can't destroy it. Can't destroy Dragon Glass either. How is that any different from the far more powerful and magical metal designed to restructure itself and is stated to be indestructible due to that fact?
ares834
Hellboy and the robots themselves were also strong enough to smash apart the robots. I'm really not seeing any reason to believe they could resist the White walkers metal destroying powers.
KingD19
Because the Walkers destroy Iron/Steel with their magic. There's a reason they can't destroy Valerian Steel and Dragon Glass. Because they're apparently tempered with magic. Valyrian Steel hasn't even proved to be magic yet.
Valyrian Steel hasn't shown itself to be indestructible, yet Walker's can't hurt it.
I'm still waiting on evidence that beings many times weaker than Hellboy and another Golden Army bot can destroy them with magic or otherwise.
ares834
Because Valyrian steel is damn near indestructible. These swords have existed for hundreds of years and haven't lost their edge. The Golden Army bots haven't been shown to be nearly as indestructible. I've also never seen Hellboy display enough strength to shatter metal like the White Walkers can with their magic.
KingD19
How is that different from the Golden Army being around for so long that generations of people have died and they're still working fine? Also having not lost any operating capability or the edge on their blades?
And I've never seen you put up any evidence to suggest the Walkers can destroy the magic indestructible/self repairing metal of the Golden Army. Burden of Proof is on you, as we've seen materials the ice weapons have no effect against. Mainly magic forged anything. And Golden Army bots would definitely fall in that category.
ares834
The Golden Army rebuilds themselves that's why. The metal they are made (presumably gold) isn't all that indestructible.
KingD19
I have said several times it's not indestructible. I could put up the youtube link where they're getting destroyed.
But the White Walker's method of destruction is different and specific. It's shown to not work against specific items and the Golden Army fits that bill is the point I'm making. The metal has to be enchanted to put itself together after being ripped apart, torn apart, crushed, blown to pieces, etc... So it's not just normal gold.
Just show me proof the White Walkers can destroy magically enchanted materials like how they can't against Valyrian Steel(which may not even be magic) and Dragon Glass.
ares834
I could just as easily ask you to show me proof that the GA can resist the magic powers of the WW's.
Anyway, the two materials they can't destroy are also both their weakness. Their inability to destroy it presumably has less to do with their magical nature and more the magic involved, in this case fire magic.
If the GA can resist the WW's powers it would have more to do with the furnaces that appear to be inside of them rather than their metal merely being magical.
KingD19
The burden of proof is on you. As there exists evidence that Walker's can't destroy certain materials. There's no shown reason why, but we know they simply can't. There's also no evidence Valyrian Steel is magical. Legends say it was made with dragonfire and such, but we can't know. We just know Walker's can't destroy it.
On the other hand there is no proof that the Walker's can destroy the clearly magical and enchanted Golden Army.
So if you show me some, I'll concede arguing a useless point since the Walker's can't stop them anyway. The Wight's are a non-issue. They can swarm them, but their weapons can't hurt them. Which means you've got 4,900 Clockwork soldiers against a number of White Walkers that probably numbers slightly more than a dozen as NK and his crew make 13, and we've only ever seen 1 or 2 outside the ruling class.
ares834
And there is no proof that the GA can resist the powers of the WW. Especially since they have been shown to be destroyed by less.
As for numbers of WW, I'd assume there are far more than a dozen. I doubt they would have 13 leaders if there are only like 20 of them. Plus, most of Crastor's sons were likely turned and their are undoubtedly some that weren't originally his son (the Anakin for example). Admittedly, that's all speculation and I'm not arguing their numbers for the purpose of this thread.
KingD19
Originally posted by ares834
And there is no proof that the GA can resist the powers of the WW. Especially since they have been shown to be destroyed by less.
There doesn't need to be because there is evidence Walkers can't destroy everything. And as I've stated several times, The Army would be in that class. You want to say they can destroy them, fine, but I'll need proof.
But as I said it's moot since they'll just get back up, and we can't give the Walkers anymore than they were shown on screen. So it's 4,900 GA against less than 20 Walkers and all their Wights(who are just gonna be time wasters)
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