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Setting: Enterprise elevator

Loki gets the spear, Khan gets a really big gun from Into Darkness.

Who wins?

Loki stomps him.

Loki in a very one-sided victory.

Khan loses

Loki

Loki stomps hard

Yeah. Good arguments. Khan gets stomped, again.

loving how quan avoids the absolute shit stomps put on Khan

Loki wins

Khan's gun cannot harm Loki, Khan at least gets severely injured from spear strikes/beams and Loki is solidly his physical superior in every manner. Loki even took down Rogers and wasn't even trying.

Khan kneels to the god.

Loki wins

Khan actually can't win this one.

Khan dies.

Khan has absolutely no chance here, even if he is aided by his alt universe counterpart. Loki utterly stomps in an incredibly onesided match

Khan wins.

Originally posted by Stigma
Khan dies.

Agreed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan wins.

Based on?

Originally posted by DTM
Based on?


Being Quan

Originally posted by DTM
Based on?

Boolean gun and Khan equals defeated Loki.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Boolean gun and Khan equals defeated Loki.

Didn't Loki tank the destroyer gun?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Didn't Loki tank the destroyer gun? Loki ain't tankin' this.

So now the boolean gun is more powerful than the Hulk, the Bifrost explosion, explosive arrows capable of crippling a SHIELD helicarrier, and destroyer tech? LOL keep dreaming Quan.

Destroyer gun is Asgardian tech, which surpasses anything in NuTrek.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So now the boolean gun is more powerful than the Hulk, the Bifrost explosion, explosive arrows capable of crippling a SHIELD helicarrier, and destroyer tech? LOL keep dreaming Quan. Khan wins. Quit trying to abc your way through this, boy.

You heard it here gents, Khan's Boolean gun is more powerful than a guy powerful enough to stop a several thousand ton whale dead in it's tracks

Originally posted by StealthRanger
You heard it here gents, Khan's Boolean gun is more powerful than a guy powerful enough to stop a several thousand ton whale dead in it's tracks Hulk throwing him around doesn't pack the power of the Boolean gun. Sorry, kiddo.

So Boolean gun is more powerful than the force required to stop a space whale dead in it's tracks

Couple that in with being able to hurt Thor physically and illusions and what does Khan have?

You're a joke

Originally posted by StealthRanger
So Boolean gun is more powerful than the force required to stop a space whale dead in it's tracks

Couple that in with being able to hurt Thor physically and illusions and what does Khan have?

You're a joke Hulk didn't hit Loki with that kind of force you troll. He ragdolled him.


Khan's gun would kill Thor. He dodges bullets, kiddo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan wins. Quit trying to abc your way through this, boy.

There is no ABC here. Loki has onscreen feats of tanking things that cause much greater damage than the boolean gun. If you want to claim that the boolean gun can hurt him, post proof that it can dish out more damage than the things Loki has tanked (and you can't, because its best feat of taking out a Klingon ship of unknown durability doesn't come anywhere near the Bifrost explosion, for example). Because otherwise Loki is too durable to be hurt by it, based on feats. That's pure logic. Only the most braindead retard would think otherwise. So post actual proof of your claim, or I will take it as a concession that you admit to being a biased fanboy.

Hell, even if the gun could hurt Loki (which, based on feats, it can't), Quan seems to think that a guy who is physically superior to Khan in every way relevant to a fight, has a collection of exotic abilities like illusions, mind magic etc. and a weapon that can be used for both melee and range, is going to stand there and let Khan take potshots at him. This guy... I swear he gets more ridiculous with each thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk didn't hit Loki with that kind of force you troll. He ragdolled him.

Hulk stopped a space whale, Loki survived being trashed by him physically That>any feat Khan has



1. prove it

2. When has Khan ever dodged bullets? and why does that matter when he's caught in illusions he can do nothing about?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
There is no ABC here. Loki has onscreen feats of tanking things that cause much greater damage than the boolean gun. If you want to claim that the boolean gun can hurt him, post proof that it can dish out more damage than the things Loki has tanked (and you can't, because its best feat of taking out a Klingon ship of unknown durability doesn't come anywhere near the Bifrost explosion, for example). Because otherwise Loki is too durable to be hurt by it, based on feats. That's pure logic. Only the most braindead retard would think otherwise. So post actual proof of your claim, or I will take it as a concession that you admit to being a biased fanboy. The big rose explosion isn't the Boolan gun. Hell, Hulk slamming him around seemed to do more. Loki isn't too dirable for the Boolean gun, his far more powerful step brother dodges bullets. You're an emotionally troubled person.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Hulk stopped a space whale, Loki survived being trashed by him physically That>any feat Khan has



1. prove it

2. When has Khan ever dodged bullets? and why does that matter when he's caught in illusions he can do nothing about? Hulk didn't use the same force on Loki.

Thor dodges bullets. Khan's gun is far more powerful than bullets. Khan wins. Let it go.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk didn't use the same force on Loki.

Unless we have a reason to believe he was using less power, we do not assume such a thing, stop grasping at straws



I guess survivng the BiFrost explosions and punches from Hulk mean nothing now because um... um... low end showings count as evidence too!

Hulk was enraged when he thrashed Loki, he was going all-out. Better yet Loki didn't just survive but at the end of the film, mere hours later he was perfectly fine.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The big rose explosion isn't the Boolan gun. Hell, Hulk slamming him around seemed to do more. Loki isn't too dirable for the Boolean gun, his far more powerful step brother dodges bullets. You're an emotionally troubled person.

So you have no proof the gun can hurt him, and resort to personal flaming to try and derail things? You also gloss over his other durability feats, and ignore the points I made in the second post. So concession accepted, troll. Khan can't hurt him and is totally outclassed. Have a nice day making yourself look even more like a fool. I'm bored with you now.

Loki took a Dark Elf sword through the chest and was trolling Thor a few hours later.

Yup, and he has also taken various explosions, energy attacks/repulsors, physical assaults, and even bullets to the face etc. (and many of these things have far better damage feats than Khan's gun), yet the only thing that caused any real visible damage was the assault by the Hulk (and Hulk power >>> boolean gun, based on feats). And even then Loki was more stunned than anything else, and was fully capable of moving under his own power a short while later. But these kinds of things don't matter to certain Khan fanboys. Nor the fact that Loki is stronger, faster/has better reaction speed, is more durable, more skilled, more experienced, more cunning, more intelligent, has a better weapon, not to mention exotic abilities, like illusion casting.

Loki stomps here, but the rabid fanboy that is Quan will never admit to one of his mancrushes losing.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Unless we have a reason to believe he was using less power, we do not assume such a thing, stop grasping at straws



I guess survivng the BiFrost explosions and punches from Hulk mean nothing now because um... um... low end showings count as evidence too! So you assume everything he does he's using leviathan like power against. He tossed Loki around.

He survived being beat up by Hulk. Thor actually took his punches far better and reacted. Boolean gun kills him. He can't take something that powerful in the hands of Khan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you assume everything he does he's using leviathan like power against. He tossed Loki around.

Unless we have a reason to believe otherwise, yes, don't like it? Don't care



Red herring



Prove it

You know he can't prove any of his claims. So he will just continue to dance around saying "Khan wins" without any proof, followed by a lame attempt at an insult, as per normal.

I know, I just love seeing what straws he can grasp at to make his point, that said, I'm honestly concerned that he might break the straws and penetrate his hand

Originally posted by AncientPower
Loki took a Dark Elf sword through the chest and was trolling Thor a few hours later.

Wait when did he do this? If you are talking about when he faked his death then I had assumed his illusion powers had been involved.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Unless we have a reason to believe otherwise, yes, don't like it? Don't care



Red herring



Prove it Onus is on you to back your claim.

You concede.

Look at its feats. What makes you think Loki can tank it ?

"I'm pissed off as always, but maybe I'll just use so much less power than I normally would because potatoes I guess"

-Hulk in quanchi's top secret version of the Avengers he got through the black market

You have no point

He tanked Hawkeye's explosive arrow, which crippled a fething aircraft carrier (well to be fair, kind of hit a critical point but still pretty nifty)

Originally posted by StealthRanger
"I'm pissed off as always, but maybe I'll just use so much less power than I normally would because potatoes I guess"

-Hulk in quanchi's top secret version of the Avengers he got through the black market

You have no point

He tanked Hawkeye's explosive arrow, which crippled a fething aircraft carrier (well to be fair, kind of hit a critical point but still pretty nifty) Him thrashing someone around doesn't mean he tossed him with the force he met the space whale with. If you feel he did then prove it. Was the room destroyed ?

You made the claim. Again Loki loses to Khan. Accept it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Him thrashing someone around doesn't mean he tossed him with the force he met the space whale with. If you feel he did then prove it. Was the room destroyed ?

Lack of super flashy collateral damage doesn't have anything to do with lack of power in fiction, unless according to you that Thanos, Hulk, Superman, etc aren't planet busters because every single punch they throw doesn't destroy a country with the casual shockwaves



So, what is Khan the speed feat less wonder going to do to a guy who caught an arrow from Hawkeye and toyed with ****ers like Captain America coupled with mental powers and illusions and what can Khan do?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Lack of super flashy collateral damage doesn't have anything to do with lack of power in fiction, unless according to you that Thanos, Hulk, Superman, etc aren't planet busters because every single punch they throw doesn't destroy a country with the casual shockwaves



So, what is Khan the speed feat less wonder going to do to a guy who caught an arrow from Hawkeye and toyed with ****ers like Captain America coupled with mental powers and illusions and what can Khan do? Well, what makes you think he used the same power against Loki by flinging him around.

Loki can't catch the Booolean gun blast. Khan beats Cap too. You're a fanboy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well, what makes you think he used the same power against Loki by flinging him around.

Because feats of a character are indicative of how powerful they are, unless it was some kind of circumstantial feat (like say, it was in a battleground that made him far more powerful than normal)



The point



Your head



Call me when Khan can throw a motorcycle so hard it destroys an armored vehicle

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Because feats of a character are indicative of how powerful they are, unless it was some kind of circumstantial feat (like say, it was in a battleground that made him far more powerful than normal)



The point



Your head



Call me when Khan can throw a motorcycle so hard it destroys an armored vehicle Dude, he tossed him around but if you feel he used the same kind of power then prove it.

You brought up an arrow and compared it to a phase blast.

Call me when Cap's blood can bring someone back to life.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dude, he tossed him around but if you feel he used the same kind of power then prove it.

Red herring, why the **** does it matter if it tossed him around, since it was by the Hulk



I brought up a speed feat for Loki, something Khan as per your own admission does not have



Doesn't mean shit when outclassed physically, like Khan is against Cap, who Loki school'd

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Red herring, why the **** does it matter if it tossed him around, since it was by the Hulk



I brought up a speed feat for Loki, something Khan as per your own admission does not have



Doesn't mean shit when outclassed physically, like Khan is against Cap, who Loki school'd So you admit you can't back your claim.


Look at Khan's feats against the Klingons. Loki isn't catching Boolean fire.


Bs. Khan's cellular regeneration and his skull crushing strength beat him. This is off topic though.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you admit you can't back your claim.

What I'm saying is that your argument is nothing but a useless red herring, and you're just grasping at straws, as usual



Shooting a bunch of redshirt tier beings who charged in like idiots, ooooooh

Doesn't have to catch up, but Loki is faster, so he'll move first, coupled with illusions, he'd just troll Khan to frustration, by making several dupes of himself dying, one dupe appearing after the other



So crushing a human skull>destroying an armored vehicle by throwing a bike at it?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
What I'm saying is that your argument is nothing but a useless red herring, and you're just grasping at straws, as usual



Shooting a bunch of redshirt tier beings who charged in like idiots, ooooooh

Doesn't have to catch up, but Loki is faster, so he'll move first, coupled with illusions, he'd just troll Khan to frustration, by making several dupes of himself dying, one dupe appearing after the other



So crushing a human skull>destroying an armored vehicle by throwing a bike at it? You made a claim. You failed.

They were militarized Klingons who easily had Kirk at his mercy. Kirk the same guy who took out multiple Romulans.

Nah, Loki doesn't avoid the fire and dies. Khan wins.

Khan crushes his skull. But I won't go off topic anymore than that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You made a claim. You failed.

He survived being tossed around by Hulk, same Hulk stopped a Leviathan in it's tracks

Feats>your bullshit



And why is taking out Romulans impressive at all? Oh well, at least it's not "beat Klingons who beat him" circular logic



ahahaha, yeah nice scripting jackass

Or Loki just makes fake Loki's who absorb the fire and die (let's just play along for the **** of it) rinse and repeat and then trolls Khan by make it look like a nuclear missile is headed for Khan, for example



Cap is physically stronger and faster so, yeah good luck with that, much less here against a guy who school'd him

It's very much relevant, if Khan can't beat Cap, he's not beating Loki

Ill side with Loki as well, though it wouldnt be quite as much a slaughter as Palpatine or Yoda, still a solid victory for him, as I would say Darth Maul would provide.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
He survived being tossed around by Hulk, same Hulk stopped a Leviathan in it's tracks

Feats>your bullshit



And why is taking out Romulans impressive at all? Oh well, at least it's not "beat Klingons who beat him" circular logic



ahahaha, yeah nice scripting jackass

Or Loki just makes fake Loki's who absorb the fire and die (let's just play along for the **** of it) rinse and repeat and then trolls Khan by make it look like a nuclear missile is headed for Khan, for example



Cap is physically stronger and faster so, yeah good luck with that, much less here against a guy who school'd him

It's very much relevant, if Khan can't beat Cap, he's not beating Loki Again, he tossed him around. you concede the point.

It shows Kirk is no slouch when armed with a phaser. Both he and Spock went through Romulans rather easily. They weren't going to beat the Klingons. This was made abundantly clear.

You're scripting. Loki gets shot. Loki dies. The end.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, he tossed him around.

The **** is your point supposed to be? Seriously, say it, or shut the **** up



There was no concession



Unless you say how powerful said Romulans were, your point is... well.... not really a point tbh



I'm scripting am I? Please, do tell me how

And while you're at it, tell me how assuming Loki will stand around like a Forrest Gump wannabe and taking an attack (which wouldn't scathe him much if at all by feats) from a demonstrably slower opponent and not using his illusions and mental powers to his advantage is not "scripting"

Originally posted by StealthRanger
The **** is your point supposed to be? Seriously, say it, or shut the **** up



There was no concession



Unless you say how powerful said Romulans were, your point is... well.... not really a point tbh



I'm scripting am I? Please, do tell me how

And while you're at it, tell me how assuming Loki will stand around like a Forrest Gump wannabe and taking an attack (which wouldn't scathe him much if at all by feats) from a demonstrably slower opponent and not using his illusions and mental powers to his advantage is not "scripting" You are worked up. I already accepted your concession.

It shows how formidable Kirk and Spock are with phasers and also establishes they were clearly out matched up against the Klingons who Khan took out like jver's.

The energy blast hits him. He isn't that fast.

Yeah that's what I thought, you have no evidence, just "just because he tossed him, doesn't mean he was going anywhere near what he usually would because um um.... potatoes I guess"

There's a good reason nobody takes you seriously

Yeah that's what I thought, you can't name any feats for Romulans nd their weapons that would make me believe Cap or Hawkeye couldn't replicate such a feat

Good luck aiming at an opponent who is faster than you and who is capable of spamming fake Lokis or fake nukes/energy blasts on top of that

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Yeah that's what I thought, you have no evidence, just "just because he tossed him, doesn't mean he was going anywhere near what he usually would because um um.... potatoes I guess"

There's a good reason nobody takes you seriously

Yeah that's what I thought, you can't name any feats for Romulans nd their weapons that would make me believe Cap or Hawkeye couldn't replicate such a feat

Good luck aiming at an opponent who is faster than you and who is capable of spamming fake Lokis or fake nukes/energy blasts on top of that You made the claim and then failed to back it up.

Quit emotionally lashing out it makes you look weak.

I never said Kirk beats cap or Hawkeye I said he's no slouch with a phaser.



Khan guns him down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You made the claim and then failed to back it up.

Hulk trashing Loki isn't made up, it actually happened, along with taking the Bifrost Explosion

You never had an argument to begin with



Meaningless unless you show me any kind of feats for their weapons or for them, until then, it's not all that impressive



Even though Loki is faster, and can just troll Khan all day with illusions, making him hit things that are not there, and mind control him to name a few things, Khan is vastly physically outclassed on top of his opponent's vastly superior versatility

Yeah but you know in the light of all that, Khan wins because his opponent is just going to sit there like a Forrest Gump wannabe and let a much physically inferior foe with a weapon that can't hurt him to begin with get free shots at him while using none of his powers that Khan has no valid counter to to begin with because, potatoes I guess

The only way Khan wins this is if you script the match in such a fashion that Loki walks up to Khan, hands him his spear and tells him "Go ahead, stab me in the face." But apparently that's what Quan thinks is going to happen. I am almost tempted to ask Imp to get in here and force Quan to start backing up his claims that the gun can hurt Loki with actual proof, when he has tanked much greater damage on screen. Be hilarious to see the kind of nonsense he comes up with. Four pages now and he still hasn't provided a single feat that proves the boolean gun can harm Loki.

So, how powerful are Romulans?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Hulk trashing Loki isn't made up, it actually happened, along with taking the Bifrost Explosion

You never had an argument to begin with



Meaningless unless you show me any kind of feats for their weapons or for them, until then, it's not all that impressive



Even though Loki is faster, and can just troll Khan all day with illusions, making him hit things that are not there, and mind control him to name a few things, Khan is vastly physically outclassed on top of his opponent's vastly superior versatility

Yeah but you know in the light of all that, Khan wins because his opponent is just going to sit there like a Forrest Gump wannabe and let a much physically inferior foe with a weapon that can't hurt him to begin with get free shots at him while using none of his powers that Khan has no valid counter to to begin with because, potatoes I guess He didn't significantly hurt Loki but he did threads him around. There was nothing indicating he used any of the power he used to stop the space whale.

It isn't meaningless it shows how formidable they are but they were outmatched against the Klingons until Khan decimated them.

Loki didn't even try to get out of the way of the Hulk and arrogantly took a beat down. Khan shoots the overconfident god.

It takes down patrol ships with a single blast.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't significantly hurt Loki but he did threads him around. There was nothing indicating he used any of the power he used to stop the space whale.

That just says more about how durable Loki is then

"Just because he tossed him around, doesn't mean he used the same amount of power on Loki, even though he doesn't hold back physically

You're so awful at this quanchi



Unless you can give any kind of feat for Romulans, then you have nothing



>implies losing to Hulk is a low end showing



So maybe on par with one of Hawkeye's arrows then?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
That just says more about how durable Loki is then

"Just because he tossed him around, doesn't mean he used the same amount of power on Loki, even though he doesn't hold back physically

You're so awful at this quanchi



Unless you can give any kind of feat for Romulans, then you have nothing



>implies losing to Hulk is a low end showing



So maybe on par with one of Hawkeye's arrows then? He survived being slammed into the ground. No biggie. You made the claim so prove it.

I have a basis for a comparison. Watch the Romulans fight sulu and Kirk. Kirk with a phaser is a much bigger deal.

There are no lows or highs only facts.



Boolean gun is greater and faster.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He survived being slammed into the ground. No biggie. You made the claim so prove it.

"He just slammed him into the ground, so what, that doesn't mean he hit him anywhere near as hard as he would anything else like the Leviathan" again

You're a joke



"I have no feats for them"

Yeah that's what I thought



And you're an idiot. Full stop



Hawkeye's arrow crippled a fricking flying aircraft carrier so, no

Originally posted by StealthRanger
"He just slammed him into the ground, so what, that doesn't mean he hit him anywhere near as hard as he would anything else like the Leviathan" again

You're a joke



"I have no feats for them"

Yeah that's what I thought



And you're an idiot. Full stop



Hawkeye's arrow crippled a fricking flying aircraft carrier so, no Flamijg isn't going to cover up your piss poor debating skills. You cant back the claim up.

Watch the film but as I said we have a basis of comparison.

Boolean gun is faster and more powerful based off it downing Klingon patrol ships.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Flamijg isn't going to cover up your piss poor debating skills. You cant back the claim up.

And stonewalling and grasping at straws isn't a valid counterargument

And neither is shifting the goalposts



Burden of proof is a thing



Well if the Klingon ships are as shit as the Klingons themselves, I have my doubts as to the Boolean gun being powerful as Hawkeye's arrows

Originally posted by StealthRanger
And stonewalling and grasping at straws isn't a valid counterargument

And neither is shifting the goalposts



Burden of proof is a thing



Well if the Klingon ships are as shit as the Klingons themselves, I have my doubts as to the Boolean gun being powerful as Hawkeye's arrows You made the claim. You don't get to use one feat and apply it to every hulk interaction just because you're a moron.

You don't ever back your claims so ironic.

Klingons weren't shit they were shit by way of comparison to Khan. Context, dipshit.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You made the claim. You don't get to use one feat and apply it to every hulk interaction just because you're a moron.

Great argument

"Durr I'll assume the feat that happened only applies to that one moment and only that and say everything else must have only been street level!"

You need to learn not every single display has to have super flashy collateral damage. j/cc is a far more effective method, I thought we went over this in another thread, else by your logic Khan's gun isn't that powerful because shooting a Klingon ship only happened once, or Voldemort's energy beams aren't that powerful because levelling Hogwarts shield only happened once



Except I have, no need to be jelly



"Durr let's just charge into him like idiots not bothering with proper tactics and use of the environment to our advantage, and we need several of us to beat up a middle aged man!"

Yep, Loki would sure as hell be shitting himself at that kind of force

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Great argument

"Durr I'll assume the feat that happened only applies to that one moment and only that and say everything else must have only been street level!"

You need to learn not every single display has to have super flashy collateral damage. j/cc is a far more effective method, I thought we went over this in another thread, else by your logic Khan's gun isn't that powerful because shooting a Klingon ship only happened once, or Voldemort's energy beams aren't that powerful because levelling Hogwarts shield only happened once



Except I have, no need to be jelly



"Durr let's just charge into him like idiots not bothering with proper tactics and use of the environment to our advantage, and we need several of us to beat up a middle aged man!"

Yep, Loki would sure as hell be shitting himself at that kind of force You made the claim. If you can't prove it then it's a baseless claim. That's how debating works so prove it, troll.

No, you never do.

Khan was t some run of the mill middle aged man. Khan was a superhuman who is physically beyond any human in their physical peaks of this planet. He crushed them because he's superb.

Khan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You made the claim. If you can't prove it then it's a baseless claim. That's how debating works so prove it, troll.

I made the claim that Loki survived Hulk wailing on him, that happened, your shifting the goalposts won't work, gg



Says mr "repeat shot down arguments and ignore burden of proof that got me owned at SpaceBattles several times"



I was talking about Spock you dumb shit

You have nothing from Klingons, Romulans, anything, that suggests Loki couldn't manhandle them with no effort

Originally posted by StealthRanger
I made the claim that Loki survived Hulk wailing on him, that happened, your shifting the goalposts won't work, gg



Says mr "repeat shot down arguments and ignore burden of proof that got me owned at SpaceBattles several times"



I was talking about Spock you dumb shit

You have nothing from Klingons, Romulans, anything, that suggests Loki couldn't manhandle them with no effort Loki did survive being thrown around but saying he used the same power as on the space whale needs to be prove.

False. You're upset.

I never said Loki couldn't beat a Klingon or a Romulan. Are you illiterate ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Loki did survive being thrown around but saying he used the same power as on the space whale needs to be prove.

Unless we have a reason to believe otherwise, we don't assume otherwise. Occam's Razor is your friend



"Kicked out of Sauron vs Voldemort for not backing your claims and repeating shot down arguments"



Then why the **** do you bring them up as if it's worth of mention?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Unless we have a reason to believe otherwise, we don't assume otherwise. Occam's Razor is your friend



"Kicked out of Sauron vs Voldemort for not backing your claims and repeating shot down arguments"



Then why the **** do you bring them up as if it's worth of mention? That isn't logical at all. He tossed him around but if you feel that then back it up.

I just found out I can't ignore book feats there so a flawed board that restricts freedoms.


You don't comprehend very well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't logical at all. He tossed him around but if you feel that then back it up.

Aaaaand another red herring



Too bad



So, tell me more about how beating Kirk who beat Romulans is worth of mention

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Aaaaand another red herring



Too bad



So, tell me more about how beating Kirk who beat Romulans is worth of mention No, it's you being unable to back your claim.

Shitty board.


It shows that the Klingons weren't shit because a few were enough to overwhelm Kirk whereas that wasn't the case with the Romulans.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it's you being unable to back your claim.

Aww, look gents, a "no u" retort




Unless you name actual feats for them, their weapons, whatever, none of these mean a damn thing

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Aww, look gents, a "no u" retort




Unless you name actual feats for them, their weapons, whatever, none of these mean a damn thing You Flamijg isn't changing the fact you're unable to back your claim.


I gave a basis for comparison. I'm correct. Klingons>Kirk and Spock armed.


Armed Kirk, Spock > Romulans.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You Flamijg isn't changing the fact you're unable to back your claim.

I have backed my claim, quanchi-kun, you simply shifted the goal post

But yeah, a guy who's always pissed off and has no concept of holding back is going to use much less power against the main bad guy for no ****ing reason, totally, you're a ****ing idiot



You gave no feats, just said "it's impressive just because"

Can they say, move at mach speed and punch boulders apart, for example?



If only Romulans had some kind of impressive feat

Originally posted by StealthRanger
I have backed my claim, quanchi-kun, you simply shifted the goal post

But yeah, a guy who's always pissed off and has no concept of holding back is going to use much less power against the main bad guy for no ****ing reason, totally, you're a ****ing idiot



You gave no feats, just said "it's impressive just because"

Can they say, move at mach speed and punch boulders apart, for example?



If only Romulans had some kind of impressive feat He just thrashed him around. If you believe that Hulk did was his absolute best you should be murdered immediately for stupidity.


I said it was impressive based off the comparisons.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He just thrashed him around. If you believe that Hulk did was his absolute best you should be murdered immediately for stupidity.

So a guy who doesn't hold back not going at his absolute best, ahahahaha, you're a pissa quanchi

Also curious to know why being thrashed around even makes a slight difference, it would only matter if Hulk was holding back or something, which he didn't



And meaningless unless you give feats, love how you mention shit like beating mooks here, I mean, this isn't Hyperion Cantos we're talking about

Originally posted by StealthRanger
So a guy who doesn't hold back not going at his absolute best, ahahahaha, you're a pissa quanchi

Also curious to know why being thrashed around even makes a slight difference, it would only matter if Hulk was holding back or something, which he didn't



And meaningless unless you give feats, love how you mention shit like beating mooks here, I mean, this isn't Hyperion Cantos we're talking about Hulk holds back. Quite often.

He wasn't trying to kill him and also walked away joking.


Already made the basis for comparison just feats is a horrendous way to debate, boy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk holds back. Quite often.

Wrong



Based on?



Too bad it meant shit

Only feats matter, and as far as feats go, Loki stomps the yard

It's funny how Quan tries to downplay the importance of onscreen feats when he knows he has none to back his claims. Also, how about proving that Hulk "holds back quite often"? And don't just spew your nonsense opinion as though it is the word of God (which is your usual style). Provide onscreen feats and references that prove that Hulk often holds back his strength during combat. You just made the claim. Back it up or concede that you are a liar.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Wrong



Based on?



Too bad it meant shit

Only feats matter, and as far as feats go, Loki stomps the yard Right.

Him joking and walking away while Loki looked scared but not hurt in any significant way.


Completely absurd. Ignoring other aspects of the equation is biased town.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It's funny how Quan tries to downplay the importance of onscreen feats when he knows he has none to back his claims. Also, how about proving that Hulk "holds back quite often"? And don't just spew your nonsense opinion as though it is the word of God (which is your usual style). Provide onscreen feats and references that prove that Hulk often holds back his strength during combat. You just made the claim. Back it up or concede that you are a liar. I am not downplaying feats I am saying they aren't the only thing we take into account, hill jack. Hulk hit Thor while battling the chitauri. Was he trying to kill him ? Common sense shouldn't be ignored just because you're a shitty debater. Loki was seen alive and at Hulk's mercy and we see him joke and walk away.

Loki demolishes Khan. Quan has been humiliated enough in these khan vs debates as it is with Kahn not winning any. If he can't hope to win agaisnt Severus Snape than what hope does he have against a godlike figure who was able to take down captain America.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Loki demolishes Khan. Quan has been humiliated enough in these khan vs debates as it is with Kahn not winning any. If he can't hope to win agaisnt Severus Snape than what hope does he have against a godlike figure who was able to take down captain America. I have won every debate with Khan but you admittedly haven't even seen Into Darkness so what do you know.

Everyone knows that Loki wins(even thedkeffect) he is just trolling because that is the only thing that gives his life meaning.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not downplaying feats I am saying they aren't the only thing we take into account, hill jack. Hulk hit Thor while battling the chitauri. Was he trying to kill him ? Common sense shouldn't be ignored just because you're a shitty debater. Loki was seen alive and at Hulk's mercy and we see him joke and walk away.

You are downplaying AND ignoring feats, on top of the BS you post. Case in point you trying to downplay some of Loki's durability feats, and totally ignoring and not addressing others. You're so desperate that you try to use Thor (who isn't even in the thread) not being hit by bullets onscreen (meaning we have no idea how much of an effect they would have had, if any) as proof to claim the Boolean gun will kill Loki. And it is ironic, considering how I have seen you spew about how only feats matter, whenever the argument suits you. Hell, you are downplaying Loki in general, by acting like someone who is physically superior to Khan, has a more versatile weapon than Khan, and has exotic abilities Khan has no experience with or way of countering, is going to stand there and let Khan just try to kill him. And you have also yet to post proof that Khan's gun can hurt him.

And LOL, you use Hulk punching his own teammate and returning to combat after dropping Loki as "proof" that he "often holds back" in combat? You are reaching so hard it is ridiculous. I asked you to post proof to back your claim that he "often holds back" during combat. Punching a teammate for comedic effect, and defeating Loki (and being the only being ever to genuinely visibly injure him onscreen) does not come close to even remotely backing up this claim.

But you are par for the course in that post. Dance around without actually providing any valid proof, accompanied by multiple poor insults. So predictable.

What does hill jack mean?

NVM

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hilljack

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
You are downplaying AND ignoring feats, on top of the BS you post. Case in point you trying to downplay some of Loki's durability feats, and totally ignoring and not addressing others. You're so desperate that you try to use Thor (who isn't even in the thread) not being hit by bullets onscreen (meaning we have no idea how much of an effect they would have had, if any) as proof to claim the Boolean gun will kill Loki. And it is ironic, considering how I have seen you spew about how only feats matter, whenever the argument suits you. Hell, you are downplaying Loki in general, by acting like someone who is physically superior to Khan, has a more versatile weapon than Khan, and has exotic abilities Khan has no experience with or way of countering, is going to stand there and let Khan just try to kill him. And you have also yet to post proof that Khan's gun can hurt him.

And LOL, you use Hulk punching his own teammate and returning to combat after dropping Loki as "proof" that he "often holds back" in combat? You are reaching so hard it is ridiculous. I asked you to post proof to back your claim that he "often holds back" during combat. Punching a teammate for comedic effect, and defeating Loki (and being the only being ever to genuinely visibly injure him onscreen) does not come close to even remotely backing up this claim.

But you are par for the course in that post. Dance around without actually providing any valid proof, accompanied by multiple poor insults. So predictable. I am not saying Loki isn't durable at all. I am saying him dying to the Boolean gun is nothing to be ashamed of. Feats matter but they don't tell the whole story. You're so emotionally wrapped up in opposing me you aren't thinking straight. I just proved he holds back. He didn't try to kill Thor and walked away from Loki who didn't sustain any serious injuries. You can deny these obvious truths in your quest to oppose your superior (me). You're cheating yourself. Khan wins. Let the thread die.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not saying Loki isn't durable at all. I am saying him dying to the Boolean gun is nothing to be ashamed of. Feats matter but they don't tell the whole story. You're so emotionally wrapped up in opposing me you aren't thinking straight. I just proved he holds back. He didn't try to kill Thor and walked away from Loki who didn't sustain any serious injuries. You can deny these obvious truths in your quest to oppose your superior (me). You're cheating yourself. Khan wins. Let the thread die.

So where was he holding back against the army or Abomination in The Incredible Hulk? Where was he holding back when he was rampaging through the helicarrier (and 2 seconds away from splattering Black Widow) or smashing through Chitauri and Leviathans during Avengers (and you still have no proof that he curbed his strength when he was actively slamming Loki into the ground either)? Where was he holding back during the raid on the Hydra base and the battle with the Ultron army in Avengers 2? Or his battle with Iron Man in the Veronica suit? Those are valid instances where he was actively engaging enemies who posed an immediate threat to him. If he "holds back" as you claim (and apparently "often" to boot), there would be evidence of it throughout the multiple actual battles I just listed. Instead you try to use him punching Thor, as a joke, as proof. But I don't even really care if you reply to this, because I know it will be another epic dodge. You have nothing else you can do.

So to sum up:

No feats proving the gun can hurt Loki? Check.

No feats proving the Hulk "often holds back" during actual combat? Check.

Dancing around and ignoring points (like Loki's stat advantage, more experience, illusions, mind control etc.) while saying "Khan wins"? Check.

Attempt at an insult with your "emotional" nonsense? Check.

Again, so predictable. I asked you to post valid feats and address the other points made by me and the rest of the posters, or I would take it as a concession. You have not done anything of the sort. So concession accepted. Loki wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Right.

Show one instance where he holds back, go on



Joking? He made a patronising statement to Loki after he tried to use his "god" status as superiority, no actual proof he held back against Loki that you can give. Nice job at reaching though



Nice argument for why beating shitty characters is relevant in an argument with massively superhuman characters, then again I'm talking to the same guy who thinks Uruk-Hai are a threat to ****ing Kratos

"Nice argument for why beating shitty characters is relevant in an argument with massively superhuman characters, then again I'm talking to the same guy who thinks Uruk-Hai are a threat to ****ing Kratos
"

the literal ****?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Nice argument for why beating shitty characters is relevant in an argument with massively superhuman characters, then again I'm talking to the same guy who thinks Uruk-Hai are a threat to ****ing Kratos

Originally posted by StealthRanger
But yeah, a guy who's always pissed off and has no concept of holding back is going to use much less power against the main bad guy for no ****ing reason, totally, you're a ****ing idiot

On the other hand the guy who is "always pissed and has no concept of holding back" sure held back from attacking any of the Avengers at the end of the movie.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So where was he holding back against the army or Abomination in The Incredible Hulk? Where was he holding back when he was rampaging through the helicarrier (and 2 seconds away from splattering Black Widow) or smashing through Chitauri and Leviathans during Avengers (and you still have no proof that he curbed his strength when he was actively slamming Loki into the ground either)? Where was he holding back during the raid on the Hydra base and the battle with the Ultron army in Avengers 2? Or his battle with Iron Man in the Veronica suit? Those are valid instances where he was actively engaging enemies who posed an immediate threat to him. If he "holds back" as you claim (and apparently "often" to boot), there would be evidence of it throughout the multiple actual battles I just listed. Instead you try to use him punching Thor, as a joke, as proof. But I don't even really care if you reply to this, because I know it will be another epic dodge. You have nothing else you can do.

So to sum up:

No feats proving the gun can hurt Loki? Check.

No feats proving the Hulk "often holds back" during actual combat? Check.

Dancing around and ignoring points (like Loki's stat advantage, more experience, illusions, mind control etc.) while saying "Khan wins"? Check.

Attempt at an insult with your "emotional" nonsense? Check.

Again, so predictable. I asked you to post valid feats and address the other points made by me and the rest of the posters, or I would take it as a concession. You have not done anything of the sort. So concession accepted. Loki wins. Hulk stopped attacking abom. Hulk didn't kill Thor. Hulk chased widow which doesn't mean he was going all out. Hulk does fight. It none of these are proof he went balls to the wall either. He effortless stopped the leviathan that doesn't mean all out.

Loki was left and wasn't even seriously damaged.

Boolean gun>>>greater than hulk slamming Loki around.

You're hideous and awful posturing is obviously proof why you dwell in a. Vault hidden from the world.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Show one instance where he holds back, go on



Joking? He made a patronising statement to Loki after he tried to use his "god" status as superiority, no actual proof he held back against Loki that you can give. Nice job at reaching though



Nice argument for why beating shitty characters is relevant in an argument with massively superhuman characters, then again I'm talking to the same guy who thinks Uruk-Hai are a threat to ****ing Kratos Hitting Thor. Leaving Loki.

If he went for the kill he wouldn't have walked away with his opponent at his mercy.

Kratos would wreck them but they can hurt him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hitting Thor.

So a scene that was a comedic effect is your evidence? lol you're so desperate it's just pathetic



Not one thing about that scene indicates he was holding back



Loki was effectively KO'd at that point



>Uruk-Hai hurting Kratos

Originally posted by StealthRanger
So a scene that was a comedic effect is your evidence? lol you're so desperate it's just pathetic



Not one thing about that scene indicates he was holding back



Loki was effectively KO'd at that point



>Uruk-Hai hurting Kratos

You asked for examples and then ignore them. Coward.

Common sense.

Loki was startled and scared. He just laid there in shock.

Kratos isn't super invulnerable. Quit lying.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You asked for examples and then ignore them. Coward.

You have no examples, you're just grasping at straws



So, you can prove he was holding back for no ****ing reason, when he slammed Loki into the ground pretty violently?



Effectively KO'd



His physical feats are way above some slightly above human schmucks with medieval weapons

Originally posted by StealthRanger
You have no examples, you're just grasping at straws



So, you can prove he was holding back for no ****ing reason, when he slammed Loki into the ground pretty violently?



Effectively KO'd



His physical feats are way above some slightly above human schmucks with medieval weapons you iust talked about one. Quit lying.

He left him alone and he wasn't hurt badly. He just walked away from him.

He was conscious and in shock.

Uruk Hai aren't humans you idiot and he isn't invulnerable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
you iust talked about one. Quit lying.

Punching a team mate for comedic effect is not valid proof



Considering he wasn't able to get up until the fight ended, yeah, he was pretty hurt even for a little bit, hell, that just says more about Loki's durability



Still counts as effectively KO'd by battledome purposes



And you can't read because I never said they were



No, but his physical feats are massively above the entire verse, to the point where they can't do shiz

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Punching a team mate for comedic effect is not valid proof



Considering he wasn't able to get up until the fight ended, yeah, he was pretty hurt even for a little bit, hell, that just says more about Loki's durability



Still counts as effectively KO'd by battledome purposes



And you can't read because I never said they were



No, but his physical feats are massively above the entire verse, to the point where they can't do shiz That's an example of him holding back. Boom.


It shows Hulk just slammed him around and that he didn't press his advantage aka held back.

Well he wasn't ko'd but yes he was shocked and scared. Pussy.

False. He isn't invulnerable and had massive help, died multiple times, massive amps, etc.

Again, if Hulk is so utterly bloodlusted and out of control all the time..why did he not attack the Avengers at the end? When Cap says "Hulk...smash" why wasn't Hulk trying to rip his face off?

Hulk quite clearly could not tell friend from foe earlier..then all of a sudden he's f*cking taking orders from Captain America.

Let me guess, when Hulk goes Hulk on purpose..he suddenly has control? But no..they wouldn't need the "lullaby" BS from the 2nd movie if that was the case.

Originally posted by Surtur
Again, if Hulk is so utterly bloodlusted and out of control all the time..why did he not attack the Avengers at the end? When Cap says "Hulk...smash" why wasn't Hulk trying to rip his face off?

Hulk quite clearly could not tell friend from foe earlier..then all of a sudden he's f*cking taking orders from Captain America.

Let me guess, when Hulk goes Hulk on purpose..he suddenly has control? But no..they wouldn't need the "lullaby" BS from the 2nd movie if that was the case. He isn't out of control all the time. He went all out on Hulkbuster Iron Man armor. Against Loki **** no. He just thrashed him and walked away from a stunned Loki.

Well exactly..I wasn't saying he was out of control all the time, merely pointing out if he was then he'd of lashed out at everyone. He was even sort of joking with Thor when he kind of playfully punches him and smiles.

Basically if Hulk hits Loki with one of his "I destroy a space whale in one hit" punches..he's going to punch his head clean off his body.

In other words Hulk decides to not be all out of control when the plot demands for it, and obviously the plot demanded Loki not being turned into a fine red mist.

I also have a problem with anyone using the argument of "he fought Thor" as if it makes Loki look good. Thor flat out said in Thor 2 that he'd held back every time he'd fought Loki in the past.

mortal engineered soldier vs a few thousand year old god armed with advanced technology, equipment and superior phyisiology...

loki is a trickster "god" who is great with convincing illusions that khan wouldnt even know about