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Snape vs Khan. They fight at dusk in the forbidden forest. Khan has two knives, a sword and a pistol. Snape has his wand and a broom. Who wins?

Snape, especially if he can go all out with the forbidden spells.

Snape is an accomplished telepath and schooled Potter (who was able to stalemate Voldemort for a while) using mental powers. He can also use TEH POTIONZ.

Snape wins... and given Khan's track record with all the recent threads made, I feel this to be appropriate

http://i.imgur.com/ENuKJ92.jpg

Snape stomps hard

In a duel I'd give it to Khan via quicker shot, but it seems they're stalking each other through the forest, so Snape takes it.

Has Snape ever used a broom in the films? I thought he could fly without one

Yeah, once again, Khan is being pitted against an opponent that is levels above him, which is a real shame as I really do like new Khan, and think hes an incredibly capable fighter.

The result for this would be the same, Khan loses (no matter what quanchi says and how many pages he drives this thread to).

Khan wins.

Yawn.......what a surprise.

Originally posted by DTM
Yawn.......what a surprise. I know I'm right quite often.

Avada Kedavra or shields

Originally posted by Robtard
In a duel I'd give it to Khan via quicker shot, but it seems they're stalking each other through the forest, so Snape takes it.

Even if Khan is a quicker draw (which, admittedly, he probably is), Snape might be really hard to hit if he does that weird smoke/flight thing he did when he fled from McGonagall. But yeah, as I understand it, this isn't just a straight forward duel, which means Snape will be able to utilise his much greater versatility to full effect.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan wins. Nah, he loses. Again.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I know I'm right quite often. Nah, you have been wrong avbout everything. Every decision you have ever made has been wrong. You are a laughing stock and should be forced to wear a dunce cap for the rest of your life.



If I was your brother I would have strangled you at birth.

Originally posted by juggerman
Has Snape ever used a broom in the films? I thought he could fly without one

In the books it's reserved speciffacly for Voldemort I believe to show his power however in the movies anyone can do it or most of the death eaters can.

Severus Snape stomps

Snape wins.

Khan is a loser. Khan is the retarded, red headed step child that is the target/outlet of the mean spirited, alcoholic father's rage.

Snape wins and even thedkeffect knows this.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Nah, he loses. Again. Based on ?

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Nah, you have been wrong avbout everything. Every decision you have ever made has been wrong. You are a laughing stock and should be forced to wear a dunce cap for the rest of your life.



If I was your brother I would have strangled you at birth. No, I haven't been wrong about a thing. Khan kills Snape before he even raises his want. Khan wins, easily.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I haven't been wrong about a thing. Khan kills Snape before he even raises his want. Khan wins, easily.

Quan. You thinking khan wins is your personal decision. Everyone elses is Snape. It doesn't really matter as there is no right or wrong answer as the two have never fought. It's only your opinion. So don't say that you're wrong or right as you are neither in some cases.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Quan. You thinking khan wins is your personal decision. Everyone elses is Snape. It doesn't really matter as there is no right or wrong answer as the two have never fought. It's only your opinion. So don't say that you're wrong or right as you are neither in some cases. Khan is much quicker on the draw than Snape. Khan wins. The hate is strong against me. It makes me strong.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan is much quicker on the draw than Snape. Khan wins. The hate is strong against me. It makes me strong.

Well whether that is true or not Snape has the greater versatility. He can fly and disapparate and thus by himself time to do whatever he needs to do and Khan can't really repel Avada Kedavra or has any defense to those spells.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well whether that is true or not Snape has the greater versatility. He can fly and disapparate and thus by himself time to do whatever he needs to do and Khan can't really repel Avada Kedavra or has any defense to those spells. Khan guns him down. The end. You aren't even familiar with Khan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan guns him down. The end. You aren't even familiar with Khan.

First off you have to make a case that he can get past all of shapes vesatility which is a tall order. Also Snape is smart and lives in the modern world so guns aren't a mystery to him living in a muggle house and being exposed to muggle things. So guns aren't just going to suprise him. Then he has a massive versatility that he can use to off balance, khan, destroy his weapons, or shrink him.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
In the books it's reserved speciffacly for Voldemort I believe to show his power however in the movies anyone can do it or most of the death eaters can.

Nah Snape could in the books as well.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
First off you have to make a case that he can get past all of shapes vesatility which is a tall order. Also Snape is smart and lives in the modern world so guns aren't a mystery to him living in a muggle house and being exposed to muggle things. So guns aren't just going to suprise him. Then he has a massive versatility that he can use to off balance, khan, destroy his weapons, or shrink him. You go by Rowling even though I don't so according to your own logic a gun beats him. Irony. Khan wins. Versatility doesn't mean a hit when the other guy kills you before you can react.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You go by Rowling even though I don't so according to your own logic a gun beats him. Irony. Khan wins. Versatility doesn't mean a hit when the other guy kills you before you can react.

So you don't go by the author? That makes zero since. Again you can't say that Snape won't be able to react due to the fact he has occlumency and legilimency and apparition. That is versatility. Rowling is the creator thus what she wants is what is. The movies are what she says they are ad if you have any doubts about that do your research. I actually found a video where it interviews here and Warner brothers and they say she chose the producers and directors so they would stay true to her vision. So yes Rowling is the ultimate voice for Harry Potter. Always has been.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So you don't go by the author? That makes zero since. Again you can't say that Snape won't be able to react due to the fact he has occlumency and legilimency and apparition. That is versatility. Rowling is the creator thus what she wants is what is. The movies are what she says they are ad if you have any doubts about that do your research. I actually found a video where it interviews here and Warner brothers and they say she chose the producers and directors so they would stay true to her vision. So yes Rowling is the ultimate voice for Harry Potter. Always has been. I know but you do which means you agree with her. They still decided what changed and what stayed the same. Khan wins. Faster.

Just like he'd beat Tommy boy, right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I know but you do which means you agree with her. They still decided what changed and what stayed the same. Khan wins. Faster.

No they had to stay within her guidelines. She made sure they stayed within the guidelines while making it most film applicable as possible. So yes she dictates what changes and what stays the same, she chooses the directors and producers, she here self had and still has complete creative control over Harry Potter, and has worked as a creative consultant with complete creative control on all 8 films and was even a producer for the last 2 for sure and had some other leading parts in films some of the other films as well. Again his speed is matched and surpassed by snapes versatility and it doesn't help when khan is in a location that has to much cover and outside distraction that Snape does have better awareness of this he would use it better to his advantage. Then with all that it takes one spell Avada Kedavra and he doesn't have to say the spells he just uses them.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No they had to stay within her guidelines. She made sure they stayed within the guidelines while making it most film applicable as possible. So yes she dictates what changes and what stays the same, she chooses the directors and producers, she here self had and still has complete creative control over Harry Potter, and has worked as a creative consultant with complete creative control on all 8 films and was even a producer for the last 2 for sure and had some other leading parts in films some of the other films as well. Again his speed is matched and surpassed by snapes versatility and it doesn't help when khan is in a location that has to much cover and outside distraction that Snape does have better awareness of this he would use it better to his advantage. Then with all that it takes one spell Avada Kedavra and he doesn't have to say the spells he just uses them. The directors have power over the films so once they are chosen they make the ultimate decision.

Khan is quicker and according to your writer a muggle with a shotgun is better, right ? Khan is a superhuman with futuristic technology.

Gotta love how this is a valid argument when it suits you

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Gotta love how this is a valid argument when it suits you That is accordinG to him not me. That's what it makes it even more ironic. According to his own logic Khan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The directors have power over the films so once they are chosen they make the ultimate decision.

Khan is quicker and according to your writer a muggle with a shotgun is better, right ? Khan is a superhuman with futuristic technology.



Yet have to follow the guidelines of the books and the writers wishes. She has complete creative control and she made sure they stayed with her vision. So while not every detail on the book is in the movie not every detail can be in the movies as movies can only be so long.

She says and I quote a muggle with a shotgun can defeat a wizard. That really is her saying that these wizards while powerful aren't immortal by birth and don't have any superhuman abilities. However if the two encountered one another that doesn't mean the muggle wins. What if the person disapparates or turns invisible or just turns the gun into something else or uses some other random spell. This location also helps snape as he knows it better than khan.

KHAN NOONIEN QUAN wins

Just to note it's really irrelevant what JK Rowling says. Feats matter. Voldemort isn't even close to being your average wizard anyways, nor is Snape..and it seems like she was talking about your average wizard with the shotgun statement.

She also has a habit of saying shit that doesn't make any sense. Like Dumbledore suddenly turning out to be gay..despite nothing really showing this. He was besties with Grindelwald at one point, but that was due to having a lot in common as opposed to being romantically into the guy. Oh wait sorry.."he totally likes knitting patterns" is another gem people use. Oh wait, he also dresses flamboyantly. See, because no wizards besides Dumbledore are ever noted as dressing strangely. Nor did the ones not born into muggle households ever show a certain fascination with aspects of muggle culture.

Originally posted by Surtur
Just to note it's really irrelevant what JK Rowling says. Feats matter. Voldemort isn't even close to being your average wizard anyways, nor is Snape..and it seems like she was talking about your average wizard with the shotgun statement.

She also has a habit of saying shit that doesn't make any sense. Like Dumbledore suddenly turning out to be gay..despite nothing really showing this. He was besties with Grindelwald at one point, but that was due to having a lot in common as opposed to being romantically into the guy. Oh wait sorry.."he totally likes knitting patterns" is another gem people use. Oh wait, he also dresses flamboyantly. See, because no wizards besides Dumbledore are ever noted as dressing strangely. Nor did the ones not born into muggle households ever show a certain fascination with aspects of muggle culture.

Actually what she says is very relevenT as she is the creator of Harry Potter. Feats do matter but what she says is more important as she is the creator. The rest I agree with in this paragraph.

Actually their are certain little clues she leaves in the books and the movies like how he dresses for instance. Also his relationship with grindlewald for him was a love relationship. He loved him. He felt they were more than besties. Knitting patterns and the way he dresses, what other wizard dresses that is a man dresses like that. Lucius doesn't and he's rich. Arthur doesn't, Kingsley has his uniform but has a natural hat that covers his bald head and really wears blue with purple which matches. Harry doesn't. Ron doesnt. Neville Seamus dean, Fred, George, Dobby, Draco, moody, lupin, Sirius, snape, flitwick, don't. So really those are more hints as really toward the end of his life j would say he was asexual.

Snape humiliates Khan.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
In the books it's reserved speciffacly for Voldemort I believe to show his power however in the movies anyone can do it or most of the death eaters can.

Nah, in the books Snape was capable of it as well. Though he and Voldemort were the only ones who could do.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yet have to follow the guidelines of the books and the writers wishes. She has complete creative control and she made sure they stayed with her vision. So while not every detail on the book is in the movie not every detail can be in the movies as movies can only be so long.

She says and I quote a muggle with a shotgun can defeat a wizard. That really is her saying that these wizards while powerful aren't immortal by birth and don't have any superhuman abilities. However if the two encountered one another that doesn't mean the muggle wins. What if the person disapparates or turns invisible or just turns the gun into something else or uses some other random spell. This location also helps snape as he knows it better than khan. No, movies only. She is master of books not films.

Khan is a futuristic superhuman with weaponry that would scare Snape. Khan wins, easily.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Actually what she says is very relevenT as she is the creator of Harry Potter. Feats do matter but what she says is more important as she is the creator. The rest I agree with in this paragraph.

What she says matters, but not in any actual debate here. Feats matter..the author making a statement is not really a feat. If she says something and yet a feat contradicts it...the feat would be used here, not her statement.



Wizards in general dress very strangely in comparison to humans though. Dumbledore is *nowhere* near the only person said to be wearing a silly outfit. Hell Lun'a Dad wore ridiculous stuff too.



Again, nothing confirmed this though. It makes every bit of sense they would form a strong friendship. Dumbledore was very talented and had a big future, but his mother dies so he ends up putting it on hold to take care of his sister. He probably resented that..and then here comes someone who is just as much a genius as Dumbledore..and also the same age. Of course they became close. It doesn't mean they had a gay relationship.



Knitting patterns don't prove anything. A variety of wizards show a fascination with aspects of human culture they do not understand.

Also unless I am mistaken..Dumbledore only really mentions this in the 6th book. Specifically as to the reason why he was in the bathroom so long at Slughorn's. But see..he had really stayed in the bathroom a long time because he wanted Harry's presence to convince Slughorn to come back to Hogwarts. So it's quite possible Dumbledore just made up an excuse on the fly based on stuff he saw on muggle magazines in the bathroom.



Okay except if you read the books you'd be quite aware of the strange way certain wizards have dressed. It has *never* just been Dumbledore that Harry notices is dressed all crazy.

No point in mentioning Dobby, he isn't even a wizard. Harry doesn't see Neville, Seamus, Draco, or even Snape outside of Hogwarts usually..where there is an actual dress code.

So since the knitting pattern thing was just an excuse as to why Dumbledore left Harry with Slughorn too long..and nothing specifically said about his relationship with Grindelwald implies they are gay..the only thing you really have is the way he dresses..and again: if you have read the books you will know that Dumbledore is not the only wizard Harry has seen dressed very strangely. You named some main characters and they might not dress like that, but plenty of no name background wizards Harry has seen..have been observed wearing strange things.

So even if you wanted to say yes he does dress stranger then anyone else..that is the only thing that potentially stands out that you could for sure say might suggest something, but that isn't enough. Since as I said, the knitting pattern thing is problematic and his having a close friendship with another male is no different then Harry and Ron's relationship or the Marauders relationship.

I'm not saying Dumbledore can't be gay..but that I just never once read anything he did and thought "yeah..he seems gay".

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, movies only. She is master of books not films.

Khan is a futuristic superhuman with weaponry that would scare Snape. Khan wins, easily.

She is the master of Harry Potter. Including the movies. They follow what she wants. She holds complete creative control and hand picked the producers to stay within her guide lines.

Snape has faced scarier. His name is VOLDEMORT. Snape doesn't just get scarred. Also with the environment to help and his versatility, snape stomps.

Originally posted by Surtur
What she says matters, but not in any actual debate here. Feats matter..the author making a statement is not really a feat. If she says something and yet a feat contradicts it...the feat would be used here, not her statement.



Wizards in general dress very strangely in comparison to humans though. Dumbledore is *nowhere* near the only person said to be wearing a silly outfit. Hell Lun'a Dad wore ridiculous stuff too.



Again, nothing confirmed this though. It makes every bit of sense they would form a strong friendship. Dumbledore was very talented and had a big future, but his mother dies so he ends up putting it on hold to take care of his sister. He probably resented that..and then here comes someone who is just as much a genius as Dumbledore..and also the same age. Of course they became close. It doesn't mean they had a gay relationship.



Knitting patterns don't prove anything. A variety of wizards show a fascination with aspects of human culture they do not understand.

Also unless I am mistaken..Dumbledore only really mentions this in the 6th book. Specifically as to the reason why he was in the bathroom so long at Slughorn's. But see..he had really stayed in the bathroom a long time because he wanted Harry's presence to convince Slughorn to come back to Hogwarts. So it's quite possible Dumbledore just made up an excuse on the fly based on stuff he saw on muggle magazines in the bathroom.



Okay except if you read the books you'd be quite aware of the strange way certain wizards have dressed. It has *never* just been Dumbledore that Harry notices is dressed all crazy.

No point in mentioning Dobby, he isn't even a wizard. Harry doesn't see Neville, Seamus, Draco, or even Snape outside of Hogwarts usually..where there is an actual dress code.

So since the knitting pattern thing was just an excuse as to why Dumbledore left Harry with Slughorn too long..and nothing specifically said about his relationship with Grindelwald implies they are gay..the only thing you really have is the way he dresses..and again: if you have read the books you will know that Dumbledore is not the only wizard Harry has seen dressed very strangely. You named some main characters and they might not dress like that, but plenty of no name background wizards Harry has seen..have been observed wearing strange things.

So even if you wanted to say yes he does dress stranger then anyone else..that is the only thing that potentially stands out that you could for sure say might suggest something, but that isn't enough. Since as I said, the knitting pattern thing is problematic and his having a close friendship with another male is no different then Harry and Ron's relationship or the Marauders relationship.

I'm not saying Dumbledore can't be gay..but that I just never once read anything he did and thought "yeah..he seems gay".

The relationship dumbledore and grindlewald had wasn't physical. It was however dumbledore had massive emotional feelings for grindlewald. However these feelings weren't shared by grindlewald at least not at that point due to wanting power. Research Dumbledore and grindlewald. Then look at the link where it says jk Rowling elaborates on grindlewald and dumbledore relationship and you will find questions she has answered showing the confirmation dumbledore felt that way for grindlewald.

Ok one thing I want you to realize. We are both human. They are wizards. The two have completely different style of dress and fashion sense. Luna's dad is Luna's dad. Luna has the nickname lunny lovegood. He's the father so yea he's going to wear certain clothing. However again I reserve that he's asexual and he just likes the colors that he wears.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
She is the master of Harry Potter. Including the movies. They follow what she wants. She holds complete creative control and hand picked the producers to stay within her guide lines.

Snape has faced scarier. His name is VOLDEMORT. Snape doesn't just get scarred. Also with the environment to help and his versatility, snape stomps. She isn't the director and the films are only based off the books. No, the director has ultimate say so regarding the films.

Snape was scared of voldemort as well. Snape would be scared of Khan as well. Khan shoots him and he dies. You ignore your own writer proving you're a hypocrite. Awesome.

Severus pretty much curb stomps.

Originally posted by Trocity
Severus pretty much curb stomps. You are out of your mind. Khan guns him down, easily.

Originally posted by quanchi112
She isn't the director and the films are only based off the books. No, the director has ultimate say so regarding the films.

Snape was scared of voldemort as well. Snape would be scared of Khan as well. Khan shoots him and he dies. You ignore your own writer proving you're a hypocrite. Awesome.

The director follows her wishes. Based off the books. Glad you admit it. Thus you agree that she has the ultimate say due to the films being based off the books.

He never showed his fear. He was able to conceal it to the point he was able to use occlumency so well he was able to basically be in VOLDEMORTs face and VOLDEMORTs never knew he was spying for the other team. I'm not ignoring her.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The director follows her wishes. Based off the books. Glad you admit it. Thus you agree that she has the ultimate say due to the films being based off the books.

He never showed his fear. He was able to conceal it to the point he was able to use occlumency so well he was able to basically be in VOLDEMORTs face and VOLDEMORTs never knew he was spying for the other team. I'm not ignoring her. Books only her opinion counts for her work but not in the films.


He was scared shitless of him. We see it in multiple scenes. Voldemort never found out but he also killed him.

Khan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Books only her opinion counts for her work but not in the films.


He was scared shitless of him. We see it in multiple scenes. Voldemort never found out but he also killed him.

Khan wins.

Films based off her work and she retains complete creative control and was a producer for the last few films.

So someone who can walk into his presence and no show any sign of emotion. He walks in there and sits a seat away and talks to him like he would anyone else you call that shared shitless. Yea he killed him becuSe he was stupid thinking that by killing snape he got the elder wand. Snape lied to him.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Films based off her work and she retains complete creative control and was a producer for the last few films.

So someone who can walk into his presence and no show any sign of emotion. He walks in there and sits a seat away and talks to him like he would anyone else you call that shared shitless. Yea he killed him becuSe he was stupid thinking that by killing snape he got the elder wand. Snape lied to him. Producer doesn't mean director and movie feats only so it doesn't matter. He looked scared like they all did. Snape didn't even try to fight back and just went to his death like a coward.

Voldemort owned Snape.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Producer doesn't mean director and movie feats only so it doesn't matter. He looked scared like they all did. Snape didn't even try to fight back and just went to his death like a coward.

Voldemort owned Snape.



Producer still big part of movie. Also having creative control 100% is also important. Her opinion and her staement and everything is worth more than you. He had the same face he and at hogwarts. He was keeping his cover he wdidnt want to blow it. Then what would have been the point. Voldmert woudl have beaten him. Also changed your mind ever since the Yoda vs dumbledore debate huh

Snape lied and deceived voldemrt so bad. Snape was the best of the death eaters besides voldemrt.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Producer still big part of movie. Also having creative control 100% is also important. Her opinion and her staement and everything is worth more than you. He had the same face he and at hogwarts. He was keeping his cover he wdidnt want to blow it. Then what would have been the point. Voldmert woudl have beaten him. Also changed your mind ever since the Yoda vs dumbledore debate huh

Snape lied and deceived voldemrt so bad. Snape was the best of the death eaters besides voldemrt. Director is the one with power over the scenes. No, movie feats only. Snape was so scared he didn't even do something natural; self defense.

Voldemort still killed him.

Albus was already dead, too.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Director is the one with power over the scenes. No, movie feats only. Snape was so scared he didn't even do something natural; self defense.

Voldemort still killed him.

Albus was already dead, too.



Director listens to her. She decides what happens or not. Just like in the last movie, she changed an entire scene so it woudl match the books.

He was stupid for doing so? Just like he is about everything else. Why he lost to a baby.

Now Voldemrt is dead. Albums is better than voldemrt. Better feats, better approval, better legacy and better everything else.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Director listens to her. She decides what happens or not. Just like in the last movie, she changed an entire scene so it woudl match the books.

He was stupid for doing so? Just like he is about everything else. Why he lost to a baby.

Now Voldemrt is dead. Albums is better than voldemrt. Better feats, better approval, better legacy and better everything else. Prove it but movies feats only. Mother protected the Baby. You know nothing about Harry Potter since you don't know the context.

Voldemort out lived Albus.


Voldemort had far greater feats than Albus. Loser.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove it but movies feats only. Mother protected the Baby. You know nothing about Harry Potter since you don't know the context.

Voldemort out lived Albus.


Voldemort had far greater feats than Albus. Loser.

Look at the battle between mcgonagall and Snape. The director wanted it to be a battle for Harry for another emotional barrier for him. However Rowling said no, it would be a battle with mcginall and Snape. I know way more about Harry Potter than you do. You haven't even read the books.

Who lived longer and who went missing first?

Nah dumbledore and much better feats.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Look at the battle between mcgonagall and Snape. The director wanted it to be a battle for Harry for another emotional barrier for him. However Rowling said no, it would be a battle with mcginall and Snape. I know way more about Harry Potter than you do. You haven't even read the books.

Who lived longer and who went missing first?

Nah dumbledore and much better feats. That isn't proving it. You're just ranting without evidence. You said a baby beat Voldemort. You're a noob.

Voldemort lived longer.

Nah, Voldemort does.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't proving it. You're just ranting without evidence. You said a baby beat Voldemort. You're a noob.

Voldemort lived longer.

Nah, Voldemort does.

https://youtu.be/Lnb-XIZwbY0 I believe this is what you were looking for. Starting at 6:40 mark and got to 7:48 mark

71 years is less than 115 year

No proof and really it's all opinion. So it comes down to popular opinion. Popular opinion goes with dumbledore.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
https://youtu.be/Lnb-XIZwbY0 I believe this is what you were looking for. Starting at 6:40 mark and got to 7:48 mark

71 years is less than 115 year

No proof and really it's all opinion. So it comes down to popular opinion. Popular opinion goes with dumbledore. What is this rubbish ? She has input but the director ultimately decides.

So ? Voldemort outlived Albus and he died due to dark magic.

Evidence and movie versions clearly say Voldemort.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What is this rubbish ? She has input but the director ultimately decides.

So ? Voldemort outlived Albus and he died due to dark magic.

Evidence and movie versions clearly say Voldemort.

She changed an entire scene. Apparently not as she changed it.

So two did voldemrt.

No it shows dumbledore has better.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
She changed an entire scene. Apparently not as she changed it.

So two did voldemrt.

No it shows dumbledore has better. They can collaborate but the director has the ultimate power.


What ?

Nah.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They can collaborate but the director has the ultimate power.


What ?

Nah.

The director wanted to,have Harry fight Snape. She stepped in and said no the book says differently and we see a mcgonagall vs Snape battle.

Retread the post.

Really voldemrt doesn't have any feats dumbledore can't defend, replicate, or has already topped.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The director wanted to,have Harry fight Snape. She stepped in and said no the book says differently and we see a mcgonagall vs Snape battle.

Retread the post.

Really voldemrt doesn't have any feats dumbledore can't defend, replicate, or has already topped. They can have a talk about anything but the director decides since he is the director.

Why ?

Khan wins. Writers don't count here.

He has better feats so what you're saying is speculative.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They can have a talk about anything but the director decides since he is the director.

Why ?

Khan wins. Writers don't count here.

He has better feats so what you're saying is speculative.

They can talk all they want but if something that she doesn't like happens she changes it.

So you can know what we were talking about.

Youre the only one who supports him. Only in your little mind.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
They can talk all they want but if something that she doesn't like happens she changes it.

So you can know what we were talking about.

Youre the only one who supports him. Only in your little mind. No, the director can go with her or against her.


You're an idiot.
False. Khan wins. FAster and more powerful.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, the director can go with her or against her.


You're an idiot.
False. Khan wins. FAster and more powerful.

Then why didn't he if he wanted Harry to fight Snape?

Don't describe yourself Quan.

I don't see any other khan supporters who are actual khan supporters. Faster? Snape is quick on the draw and has the cover of the forbidden Forrest and can apparate. Also snapes protego can block his weaponry.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Then why didn't he if he wanted Harry to fight Snape?

Don't describe yourself Quan.

I don't see any other khan supporters who are actual khan supporters. Faster? Snape is quick on the draw and has the cover of the forbidden Forrest and can apparate. Also snapes protego can block his weaponry. He might have through the her idea was better.

Irony.

I argue based off evidence. Khan is factually faster than Snape. He wins. Snape isn't quicker on the draw than Khan. Not even close.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He might have through the her idea was better.

Irony.

I argue based off evidence. Khan is factually faster than Snape. He wins. Snape isn't quicker on the draw than Khan. Not even close.

Speculation. It's in the books fact and the director wanted Harry vs Snape so yes she changed it due to it being what she wanted.

I'm not saying that in combat speed Snape is faster as khan is a human augment while Snape is still human. Now him winning is your own opinion. It doesn't take him much to pull out a wand and then he can apparate without the wand it's not really hard for him to get away or do whatever he needs to do. Also he has occlumency and legilimency.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Speculation. It's in the books fact and the director wanted Harry vs Snape so yes she changed it due to it being what she wanted.

I'm not saying that in combat speed Snape is faster as khan is a human augment while Snape is still human. Now him winning is your own opinion. It doesn't take him much to pull out a wand and then he can apparate without the wand it's not really hard for him to get away or do whatever he needs to do. Also he has occlumency and legilimency. You speculated she ordered him to.


He can't apparatus faster than khan guns him down. Khan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You speculated she ordered him to.


He can't apparatus faster than khan guns him down. Khan wins.

I showed you the damn video of what happened. She got it changed.

It's pretty instant. Also he had the Forrest for cover and protego. You're the only one who legitamently thinks so.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I showed you the damn video of what happened. She got it changed.

It's pretty instant. Also he had the Forrest for cover and protego. You're the only one who legitamently thinks so. Due to collaboration.

Nah, evidence talks. Khan is faster. Snape dies.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to collaboration.

Nah, evidence talks. Khan is faster. Snape dies.

Speculation.

Evidence says Snape. Snape wins.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Speculation.

Evidence says Snape. Snape wins. If you don't think they collaborate then prove it.

You already conceded Khan is faster. You conceded the fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you don't think they collaborate then prove it.

You already conceded Khan is faster. You conceded the fight.

I didnt say they don't collaborate I just said they didn't collaborate on this specific thing.

No. You can be faster doesn't mean you're going to win. Snaps has massive versatility, and also better awareness of the location. To many factors working agiasnt khan.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I didnt say they don't collaborate I just said they didn't collaborate on this specific thing.

No. You can be faster doesn't mean you're going to win. Snaps has massive versatility, and also better awareness of the location. To many factors working agiasnt khan. Then prove it. Now you backpedal.

Being faster and with the power here proves he one shots Snape.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then prove it. Now you backpedal.

Being faster and with the power here proves he one shots Snape.

You made the claim that they do collaborate. There is no proof to show they did collaborate. He wanted one thing she wanted another. The other thing was in the book and that's what we see.

Location and snapes versatility counter balance that.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You made the claim that they do collaborate. There is no proof to show they did collaborate. He wanted one thing she wanted another. The other thing was in the book and that's what we see.

Location and snapes versatility counter balance that. So they collaborated. She doesn't storm onto the scene and just change shit.

Khan is the better warrior than Snape so again is slower and doesn't havebthr tactical acumen Khan possesses.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So they collaborated. She doesn't storm onto the scene and just change shit.

Khan is the better warrior than Snape so again is slower and doesn't havebthr tactical acumen Khan possesses.

It's no proof they did on this thing. She lets then have some freedom but when it challenges her vision then she makes them does what needs to be done. She is the author and holds all power of Harry Potter movies, and books.

Snapes is a wizard not a warrior. You make it sound like snapes is an idiot. He's very smart with a wide variety of spells at his command. Also he knows the location better than khan. With that all it takes on both sides is one shot to kill, however snaps has to much greater variety with the ability to teleport at different angles and off balance khan.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It's no proof they did on this thing. She lets then have some freedom but when it challenges her vision then she makes them does what needs to be done. She is the author and holds all power of Harry Potter movies, and books.

Snapes is a wizard not a warrior. You make it sound like snapes is an idiot. He's very smart with a wide variety of spells at his command. Also he knows the location better than khan. With that all it takes on both sides is one shot to kill, however snaps has to much greater variety with the ability to teleport at different angles and off balance khan. No they collaborate and decide together but the director has the final say.

He isn't an idiot but he isn't tactical like Khan is. Khan is still more tactical and has superior firepower. He's also faster. Khan in a slaughter.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No they collaborate and decide together but the director has the final say.

He isn't an idiot but he isn't tactical like Khan is. Khan is still more tactical and has superior firepower. He's also faster. Khan in a slaughter.

Collaboration on certain things possibly. If he had the final say then he would have had the Harry vs Snape fight.

This is futuristic firepower vs a wand that can produce a large very powerful variety of magic. So really who has superior firepower is up for debate or your personal preference. As really what khans can do to a person snapes wand Cana slo do and more. Location works against khan as well. Also Snape has protego which has been shown to block all spells if not most spells. My vote goes to Snape.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Collaboration on certain things possibly. If he had the final say then he would have had the Harry vs Snape fight.

This is futuristic firepower vs a wand that can produce a large very powerful variety of magic. So really who has superior firepower is up for debate or your personal preference. As really what khans can do to a person snapes wand Cana slo do and more. Location works against khan as well. Also Snape has protego which has been shown to block all spells if not most spells. My vote goes to Snape. They collaborated that's the point. You pretending she can do whatever she wants is fantasy.

Khan has superior feats of power than Snape so based off feats and portrayals Khan wins this hands down. You haven't even seen the film, dummy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They collaborated that's the point. You pretending she can do whatever she wants is fantasy.

Khan has superior feats of power than Snape so based off feats and portrayals Khan wins this hands down. You haven't even seen the film, dummy.

They can collaborate doesn't mean they did. Unless you were there you can't say for sure. The facts are the director wanted this to be a Harry vs Snape originally and she wanted it to be mcgonagall vs Snape. And which did we see?

So now you care about feats and portrayal. If you did than you couldn't debate me that maul could even contend with Dooku since Dooku has the greater portrayal and feats. Snape has shown he can defend against really anything and has shown a mastery of magic well beyond the ordinary wizarding levels. Not far away from mcgonagall who is also very powerful. Also the location works agiasnt khan as Snead could use the spell they used to protect hogwarts in deathly Hallows part 2. Or fly around and khan wouldn't have a clue.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
They can collaborate doesn't mean they did. Unless you were there you can't say for sure. The facts are the director wanted this to be a Harry vs Snape originally and she wanted it to be mcgonagall vs Snape. And which did we see?

So now you care about feats and portrayal. If you did than you couldn't debate me that maul could even contend with Dooku since Dooku has the greater portrayal and feats. Snape has shown he can defend against really anything and has shown a mastery of magic well beyond the ordinary wizarding levels. Not far away from mcgonagall who is also very powerful. Also the location works agiasnt khan as Snead could use the spell they used to protect hogwarts in deathly Hallows part 2. Or fly around and khan wouldn't have a clue. Then prove it.

I always have. No, Maul does. Sheev even says as much. Taking on Sheev is far greater than being crushed by Anakin.

She shot fireballs which don't have the power of Khan's gun. Ffs quit being a moron.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then prove it.

I always have. No, Maul does. Sheev even says as much. Taking on Sheev is far greater than being crushed by Anakin.

She shot fireballs which don't have the power of Khan's gun. Ffs quit being a moron.

No evidence shows that they did boom.

Considering maul and Anakin never fought no we both agree Dooku would be a greater challenge for sheev this part is really irrelevant.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No evidence shows that they did boom.

Considering maul and Anakin never fought no we both agree Dooku would be a greater challenge for sheev this part is really irrelevant. So you concede.

Lucky for Anakin. Dooku got smoked and afterwards Kenobi bested Anakin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you concede.

Lucky for Anakin. Dooku got smoked and afterwards Kenobi bested Anakin.



You conceded. It was you who said they always collaborate.

Lucky for maul. He would have used dun much and Maul would have beaten faster than Dooku was.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You conceded. It was you who said they always collaborate.

Lucky for maul. He would have used dun much and Maul would have beaten faster than Dooku was. They do and that doesn't mean one doesn't always win but the ultimate say so lies with the director.

Maul doesn't need luck that's Anakin, Dooku, or Sheev because they are all dead.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They do and that doesn't mean one doesn't always win but the ultimate say so lies with the director.

Maul doesn't need luck that's Anakin, Dooku, or Sheev because they are all dead.

The directors were chosen by her to make sure they stay with what she wants. So the ultimate say really is her.

Anakin decimates Maul just like Sidious did, and just like Dooku can. Maul si at the bottom of this totom pole.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The directors were chosen by her to make sure they stay with what she wants. So the ultimate say really is her.

Anakin decimates Maul just like Sidious did, and just like Dooku can. Maul si at the bottom of this totom pole.

I'm at the top of the totem pole and the rest is wedged in your ass.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The directors were chosen by her to make sure they stay with what she wants. So the ultimate say really is her.

Anakin decimates Maul just like Sidious did, and just like Dooku can. Maul si at the bottom of this totom pole. Says you but minus proof.

Speculation. Kenobi crushed that Skywalker at the end.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Says you but minus proof.

Speculation. Kenobi crushed that Skywalker at the end.

No it's actually fact. In the force Anakin has the edge due to his raw power popping out a random times and being the biggest of of all time. Also really eh doesn't use his force powers to often when in direct combat. Neither does maul unless he's pressed and then Anakin can shrug it off or match it. Anakin has the dueling edge as well. He's been stated to be on Sidious level wheel maul isn't close.Anakin has. Ben shown and steamed to be better than kenobi so really it doesn't matter as Anakin is superior in every way except brains when he's pissed and not thinking.

https://youtu.be/X2adjz-KG9Y

18:04-18:19

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No it's actually fact. In the force Anakin has the edge due to his raw power popping out a random times and being the biggest of of all time. Also really eh doesn't use his force powers to often when in direct combat. Neither does maul unless he's pressed and then Anakin can shrug it off or match it. Anakin has the dueling edge as well. He's been stated to be on Sidious level wheel maul isn't close.Anakin has. Ben shown and steamed to be better than kenobi so really it doesn't matter as Anakin is superior in every way except brains when he's pissed and not thinking. Anakin still lost. Weak. Maul was a rival while Vader was a servant.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
https://youtu.be/X2adjz-KG9Y

18:04-18:19 That isn't proof.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin still lost. Weak. Maul was a rival while Vader was a servant.

Again irrelevant in terms of skill. Maul lost his lower half. That's weak. Maul isn't a rival anymore. While Sidious was emperor maul was some unknown. Vader was atop general, supreme commander/general of the military and second only to the emperor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't proof.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Again irrelevant in terms of skill. Maul lost his lower half. That's weak. Maul isn't a rival anymore. While Sidious was emperor maul was some unknown. Vader was atop general, supreme commander/general of the military and second only to the emperor. He lost his lower half and was still a rival to Sheev. Amazing. Sheev was unable to kill Maul. Vader killed Sheev. Lol.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Concession accepted. It isn't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He lost his lower half and was still a rival to Sheev. Amazing. Sheev was unable to kill Maul. Vader killed Sheev. Lol.

Rival sith faction. Glad we agree. He actually was able to kill maul. He just had other uses for him.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Rival sith faction. Glad we agree. He actually was able to kill maul. He just had other uses for him. He didn't say rival in Sith faction he said you have become a rival. That's him alone.

No, he didn't. Weak. Anakin killed Sheev. Fact.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't say rival in Sith faction he said you have become a rival. That's him alone.

No, he didn't. Weak. Anakin killed Sheev. Fact.

Rival sith faction as approved by Dave filoni and Sidious as he then goes on to show maul is no match for,him even with two blades, and his brother help and Sheev says the rules of the rule of two. That post s done against. I win.

Didn't and couldn't are to different things. Wasn't maul at Sidious mercy?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Rival sith faction as approved by Dave filoni and Sidious as he then goes on to show maul is no match for,him even with two blades, and his brother help and Sheev says the rules of the rule of two. That post s done against. I win.

Didn't and couldn't are to different things. Wasn't maul at Sidious mercy? Post the interview then. In the series he says to maul alone.

Prove it.

Maul wasn't killed. Fact. Maul escapes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It isn't.

Yes it is. You can't deny it so it's a concession and I accept it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Post the interview then. In the series he says to maul alone.

Prove it.

Maul wasn't killed. Fact. Maul escapes.

I've already posted and told you where to find it. I'll tell you one last time where to find it. Search Dave filoni lawless. It's the first link at ign.com. He goes to,explain it on the second page of the second question.

Oh. I already have.

Maul was allowed to live. Fact.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I've already posted and told you where to find it. I'll tell you one last time where to find it. Search Dave filoni lawless. It's the first link at ign.com. He goes to,explain it on the second page of the second question.

Oh. I already have.

Maul was allowed to live. Fact. Copy and paste it as well as post the link.

Nah.

Maul survived and escaped. Amazing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Copy and paste it as well as post the link.

Nah.

Maul survived and escaped. Amazing.



Just do what I told you. It won't take 10 seconds.

I already have.

So you agree that he only lived because Sidious allowed him to?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Just do what I told you. It won't take 10 seconds.

I already have.

So you agree that he only lived because Sidious allowed him to? Then post it.

No.



Maul loved regardless. Vader killed the geriatric dumb master.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then post it.

No.



Maul loved regardless. Vader killed the geriatric dumb master.

Hasn't it become clear that if I knew I would have done it by now.

You truly are stupid.

Maul was allowed to live so really his fate has always been determined by others. Kind of sounds like a slave to me. It took Vader getting an amp to do it and Anakin has greater force potential so not so bad for Dooku. Maul on the other hand lost to a padawan.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Hasn't it become clear that if I knew I would have done it by now.

You truly are stupid.

Maul was allowed to live so really his fate has always been determined by others. Kind of sounds like a slave to me. It took Vader getting an amp to do it and Anakin has greater force potential so not so bad for Dooku. Maul on the other hand lost to a padawan. So you concede making you truly inept.

Maul survived and didn't need his hand held like pathetic Vader. There was no amp there was Anakin crushing Dooku.

Maul had him defeated skills wise just as Anakin defeated Dooku skills wise.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you concede making you truly inept.

Maul survived and didn't need his hand held like pathetic Vader. There was no amp there was Anakin crushing Dooku.

Maul had him defeated skills wise just as Anakin defeated Dooku skills wise.

No you just go there the way I told you. It's more than one way to do things.

Well maul did need Talzin to give him his sanity back and death watch to give him actaul good working legs. Vader lost both of his legs and his last ar, and suffered massive burns. Maul just lost the lower half. Actually there was. As seen by how Anakin wasn't able to pressure Dooku until Dooku pissed him off.

Stay on topic. Sidious had maul beaten in every category. Physically, dueling wise, and force powers. Sidious had maul at his mercy and used him as a tool right up to the very end. Sidious is the true master of the sith. The dark lord that shall never be surpassed.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No you just go there the way I told you. It's more than one way to do things.

Well maul did need Talzin to give him his sanity back and death watch to give him actaul good working legs. Vader lost both of his legs and his last ar, and suffered massive burns. Maul just lost the lower half. Actually there was. As seen by how Anakin wasn't able to pressure Dooku until Dooku pissed him off.

Stay on topic. Sidious had maul beaten in every category. Physically, dueling wise, and force powers. Sidious had maul at his mercy and used him as a tool right up to the very end. Sidious is the true master of the sith. The dark lord that shall never be surpassed. No, you conceded.

He didn't need her to survive while Vader did. Dooku encouraged the anger because he's an idiot.

No, not physically just force powers and skills with a saber.

Maul survived so who cares. Sheev is dead. He's an idiot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you conceded.

He didn't need her to survive while Vader did. Dooku encouraged the anger because he's an idiot.

No, not physically just force powers and skills with a saber.

Maul survived so who cares. Sheev is dead. He's an idiot.

How did I concede.

To get his sanity back and to get proper mobility and what was once his back. So basically the warrior part of him yes he did. Dooku did what Sidious told him to.

Physically yes. He's much faster, much stronger, more agile, more durable, the whole 9 yards.

Maul was always a slave. Sidious was his master.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
How did I concede.

To get his sanity back and to get proper mobility and what was once his back. So basically the warrior part of him yes he did. Dooku did what Sidious told him to.

Physically yes. He's much faster, much stronger, more agile, more durable, the whole 9 yards.

Maul was always a slave. Sidious was his master. By not backing your claim.

So to sustain his life he didn't need aid. Anakin did.

No, his force powers but physically he's quite slow without them, boy.

Maul rejected him. Sheep is dead via Vader. Hahahahaha.

Originally posted by quanchi112
By not backing your claim.

So to sustain his life he didn't need aid. Anakin did.

No, his force powers but physically he's quite slow without them, boy.

Maul rejected him. Sheep is dead via Vader. Hahahahaha.

I actually did you just chose not to do what allows you to see e evidence. So really you have an alternate way of receiving the information.

So you think mauls injuries were anywhere on level of vaders?

Again physically Palpatine is pretty scary due to teras kasi which he taught to maul. So even without it while he wouldn't be as fast he's still bad enough to tear people apart. So force augmentation goes into your physical ability when asking about physical traits mostly. So yea Sidious beats maul in every category.

Still his slave. His fate was pretty much in Sidious hands.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I actually did you just chose not to do what allows you to see e evidence. So really you have an alternate way of receiving the information.

So you think mauls injuries were anywhere on level of vaders?

Again physically Palpatine is pretty scary due to teras kasi which he taught to maul. So even without it while he wouldn't be as fast he's still bad enough to tear people apart. So force augmentation goes into your physical ability when asking about physical traits mostly. So yea Sidious beats maul in every category.

Still his slave. His fate was pretty much in Sidious hands. You never submitted the evidence thus you forfeit.

Worse.

Nah, it goes into force power. Without force power he's a lot slower than Maul.

Nah, Maul resisted him. Sheev is a known coward who has since died. Shame.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You never submitted the evidence thus you forfeit.

Worse.

Nah, it goes into force power. Without force power he's a lot slower than Maul.

Nah, Maul resisted him. Sheev is a known coward who has since died. Shame.

I've given you the directions to get to it. So really it's your account of being lazy. Now if I had no evidence to bring forward or for the opposition to see than that's a forfeit. I've given you directions to see it. So if you don't see it and I've given you the ability to its your concession due to not looking at all evidence and being partial to all sides.

So you think losing half your body is worse than losing both your arms and legs, then getting the worse degree burns, and basically getting burned alive? You really need to work on your evaluations. The fact vader needs a suit shows vaders was worse.

Debatable. Force augmentation goes with both force powers and physical ability in certain categories.

Maul begging for mercy doesn't seem like resisting. Maul was a slave boy.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I've given you the directions to get to it. So really it's your account of being lazy. Now if I had no evidence to bring forward or for the opposition to see than that's a forfeit. I've given you directions to see it. So if you don't see it and I've given you the ability to its your concession due to not looking at all evidence and being partial to all sides.

So you think losing half your body is worse than losing both your arms and legs, then getting the worse degree burns, and basically getting burned alive? You really need to work on your evaluations. The fact vader needs a suit shows vaders was worse.

Debatable. Force augmentation goes with both force powers and physical ability in certain categories.

Maul begging for mercy doesn't seem like resisting. Maul was a slave boy. Onus is on you.

Both of his arms weren't completely lost. Quit lying. All of his legs weren't lost either.

No, force abilities are force abilities and Maul is physically a stud. Sheev is pathetic without force powers.

He resisted. Sheev begged Windu.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Onus is on you.

Both of his arms weren't completely lost. Quit lying. All of his legs weren't lost either.

No, force abilities are force abilities and Maul is physically a stud. Sheev is pathetic without force powers.

He resisted. Sheev begged Windu.

Shame on you as usual.

Actually yes they were on a specific sense. He no longer had organic arms or legs. So after he fir shed his duel with kenobi and sidious saved him did you see him have any legs.

Force augmentation can be taken into both depending on who you ask. Again that is incorrect as sidious knows the art of Tera's Kasi which an art of unarmed combat without the need for the force the augment you.

Again threw the fight IMO.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Shame on you as usual.

Actually yes they were on a specific sense. He no longer had organic arms or legs. So after he fir shed his duel with kenobi and sidious saved him did you see him have any legs.

Force augmentation can be taken into both depending on who you ask. Again that is incorrect as sidious knows the art of Tera's Kasi which an art of unarmed combat without the need for the force the augment you.

Again threw the fight IMO. You concede.

You lied.

He needs it.

Speculative nonsense.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You concede.

You lied.

He needs it.

Speculative nonsense.

Never did.

I don't lie.

Apparently not if he knows Tera's Kasi.

Proper argument backed with evidence.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Never did.

I don't lie.

Apparently not if he knows Tera's Kasi.

Proper argument backed with evidence. All lies.

Originally posted by quanchi112
All lies.

No just your ignorance.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No just your ignorance. Nah.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldemort lived longer.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
71 years is less than 115 year

Originally posted by quanchi112
Each Horocrux lived several lives so it all adds for a longer lifespan.

Yay Quan, keep owning people

Originally posted by Bentley
Yay Quan, keep owning people He outlived Albus. Albus was given a year at best due to Voldemort's machinations, kiddo.

I just want to say referring to Palpatine as Sheev really makes him sound lame. No wonder he turned evil.

Originally posted by Surtur
I just want to say referring to Palpatine as Sheev really makes him sound lame. No wonder he turned evil.

I agree. Sidious is much better.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He outlived Albus. Albus was given a year at best due to Voldemort's machinations, kiddo.

Really technically he didn't since he died once but came back, and voldmert was in his 70s while dumbleodre was in his 100s. This also shows voldemrts inferiority to dumbleodre as voldemrts didn't put all his plans into motion until dumbleodre was dead and he couldn't do it himself he needed Draco to do it then dumbledore outsmarted him

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Really technically he didn't since he died once but came back, and voldmert was in his 70s while dumbleodre was in his 100s. This also shows voldemrts inferiority to dumbleodre as voldemrts didn't put all his plans into motion until dumbleodre was dead and he couldn't do it himself he needed Draco to do it then dumbledore outsmarted him Voldemort assured that Albus had one year to live. He outlived the old fool.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldemort assured that Albus had one year to live. He outlived the old fool.

Assured. You believe he made that just for dumbledore? Du,blender did more with his life.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Assured. You believe he made that just for dumbledore? Du,blender did more with his life. No, he didn't. Voldemort's legacy and impact was much more significant than Albus'.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he didn't. Voldemort's legacy and impact was much more significant than Albus'.

No it was not. Dumbleodre will always be known as the only voldmert ever feared. That by itself shows voldemort is below him. Also Dumbleodre having a longer life had more time to do more accomplish able things. One of those things being the defeat of gellert grindlewald. Voldemort never did anything on that scale since dumnleodres duel with grindlewald was like hours long, and both combatants were actually aiming to take down the other while Dumbleodre was more or less trying to keep Harry safe. Voldemort will always be known as the terrorizer. Dumbleodre will always be known as the defender. Dumbleodre would be more heavily favored due to being the good guy.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No it was not. Dumbleodre will always be known as the only voldmert ever feared. That by itself shows voldemort is below him. Also Dumbleodre having a longer life had more time to do more accomplish able things. One of those things being the defeat of gellert grindlewald. Voldemort never did anything on that scale since dumnleodres duel with grindlewald was like hours long, and both combatants were actually aiming to take down the other while Dumbleodre was more or less trying to keep Harry safe. Voldemort will always be known as the terrorizer. Dumbleodre will always be known as the defender. Dumbleodre would be more heavily favored due to being the good guy. Everyone including Albus feared Voldemort. A longer life does not denote quality of life or accomplishment. Horcruxes, sacked the wizarding world, came back from death, etc.

This is a tough one..Dumbledore certainly did a lot more for the wizarding world then Voldemort. On the other hand fear is a powerful tool, and 90% of wizards won't even speak this dudes name out loud. He also did the equivalent of murdering the president and taking over the government.

Sadly Harry's legacy will outshine them both even though he really only survived due to luck, plot devices, and allies with more skill then him. You could also maybe argue that Harry and the others might of tried to lessen the fear of Voldemort and get rid of the whole "don't say his name" in order to try to take some power away from the word. I could see Harry and Ron doing that once they became adults.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Everyone including Albus feared Voldemort. A longer life does not denote quality of life or accomplishment. Horcruxes, sacked the wizarding world, came back from death, etc.

Where does it say Albus feared Voldemort? He sure wasn't afraid to say his name. Longer life gives you the better opportunities to do certain things that the other couldn't. Horcruxes aren't anything special, anything could do it if they were willing to go far enough. Dumbleodre dominated the wizarding world figuratively, by being its defender form voldemort. Coming back from death goes with horcruxes. Now dumbledores achievements.

Being the only wizard Voldmert ever truly feared.
Defeating the dark wizard grindlewald while grindlewald possessed the elder wand.
Holding his own against Voldmert without actually taking his own offense.
Being partnered with Nicholas Flamel in creating the sorcerers stone.
Finding the 12 uses of dragons blood
Being the brightest student hogwarts has ever known
Known as the most powerful wizard of the age possibly all time.
Known as the best headmaster of hogwarts.
Wanted as minister for magic several times but rejected the job.
Name on chocolate frog card
Head of the wizarding court( their version of a Supreme Court)
Creating the Order of the Phoenix

Originally posted by Surtur
This is a tough one..Dumbledore certainly did a lot more for the wizarding world then Voldemort. On the other hand fear is a powerful tool, and 90% of wizards won't even speak this dudes name out loud. He also did the equivalent of murdering the president and taking over the government.

Sadly Harry's legacy will outshine them both even though he really only survived due to luck, plot devices, and allies with more skill then him. You could also maybe argue that Harry and the others might of tried to lessen the fear of Voldemort and get rid of the whole "don't say his name" in order to try to take some power away from the word. I could see Harry and Ron doing that once they became adults.

I agree with everything you said. However look at it like this. While fear is a powerful tool, the more fear that person has the more impressive there's on who faces that fear seems. Dumbleodre most of the time displayed no fear, calling him Voldmert, or Tom(a name he hated going by) without hesitation. So with the that Dumbleodre is the defender of the wizard world. The more you fear Voldmert the more impressive Dumbleodre seems due to him facing off agiasnt the person who they were so afraid of.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Where does it say Albus feared Voldemort? He sure wasn't afraid to say his name. Longer life gives you the better opportunities to do certain things that the other couldn't. Horcruxes aren't anything special, anything could do it if they were willing to go far enough. Dumbleodre dominated the wizarding world figuratively, by being its defender form voldemort. Coming back from death goes with horcruxes. Now dumbledores achievements.

Being the only wizard Voldmert ever truly feared.
Defeating the dark wizard grindlewald while grindlewald possessed the elder wand.
Holding his own against Voldmert without actually taking his own offense.
Being partnered with Nicholas Flamel in creating the sorcerers stone.
Finding the 12 uses of dragons blood
Being the brightest student hogwarts has ever known
Known as the most powerful wizard of the age possibly all time.
Known as the best headmaster of hogwarts.
Wanted as minister for magic several times but rejected the job.
Name on chocolate frog card
Head of the wizarding court( their version of a Supreme Court)
Creating the Order of the Phoenix It is about quality and Tom did more than Albus. It is that simple. Albus was bossed around and was going to be arrested. Tom scared the **** out of everyone including Albus. Look at the looks on his face during their fight.m

Voldemort was the greatest wizard film wise. This was stated.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is about quality and Tom did more than Albus. It is that simple. Albus was bossed around and was going to be arrested. Tom scared the **** out of everyone including Albus. Look at the looks on his face during their fight.m

Voldemort was the greatest wizard film wise. This was stated.

Albus triumphed in Death, Voldemort only knew defeat for he always lived afraid of Death. Heck, Snape himself lived outsmarting him and was ultimately the reason of his fail.

Originally posted by Bentley
Albus triumphed in Death, Voldemort only knew defeat for he always lived afraid of Death. Heck, Snape himself lived outsmarting him and was ultimately the reason of his fail. Albus died and was out of the fight. Voldemort's dark magic assured his death. Nuff said. Snape died at his hands. Nuff said.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldemort died at his own hands. Nuff said.

That happened either by his sheer incompetence or because Albus/Snape schooled him without even being around. Take your pick.

Aside: I just noticed you like self-defeating characters quite a bit. Is Khan also one of those chumps or why do you like him so much?

Originally posted by Bentley
That happened either by his sheer incompetence or because Albus/Snape schooled him without even being around. Take your pick.

Aside: I just noticed you like self-defeating characters quite a bit. Is Khan also one of those chumps or why do you like him so much? Albus was dead and Voldemort wasn't all knowing. You don't make the entire wizardijg world fear you because you are incompetent.

Watch your tone, boy. I see characteristics in the characters I like in myself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is about quality and Tom did more than Albus. It is that simple. Albus was bossed around and was going to be arrested. Tom scared the **** out of everyone including Albus. Look at the looks on his face during their fight.m

Voldemort was the greatest wizard film wise. This was stated.

Yes it is. About quality and dumbleodre did more. Voldmert hurt. Wizardign world while Voldmert wounded it. Voldmert wanted to deprive the world of muggle birns and only pure blood people even though he himself was a half blood. Dumbleodre on the other hand made the world more accepting and allowed for people like hermione who by the end has a high place in the ministry to succeeded. Voldmert killed while Dumbleodre protected and nurtured. Voldmert took out wizards while Dumbleodre made new ones. So yes it is that simple. Dumbleodre had more quality in his life than Voldmert. Considering Albus is a headmaster of a school he would defintly be under the eye of the ministry, and also hogwarts is also run by governors as stated in chamber of secrets. So really the daily running of the school was run by him as stated by umbridge when he said the power to dispose of a teacher lies with the headmaster. Saying that is one things however you can't prove he scared Dumbleodre. Jut because you scare one person doesn't mean you scare another. Dumbleodre scarred Tom. That ps fact you saying Dumbleodre was scarred of him is speculation. Ok I looked at the figh and du,bled ore came to him, with a serious face and then calls him by a name he hates, and basically keepers the same face for the majority of the battle and then when he gets backed up its Dumbleodre who shows superiority.

Du,blender si the greatest wizard ever books and films wise. Shows and pretty much stated. Your so called proof has already been analyzed and crushed and it's someone's opinion who isn't apart of the movies. Voldemorts combat feats aren't on dumbleodres level.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yes it is. About quality and dumbleodre did more. Voldmert hurt. Wizardign world while Voldmert wounded it. Voldmert wanted to deprive the world of muggle birns and only pure blood people even though he himself was a half blood. Dumbleodre on the other hand made the world more accepting and allowed for people like hermione who by the end has a high place in the ministry to succeeded. Voldmert killed while Dumbleodre protected and nurtured. Voldmert took out wizards while Dumbleodre made new ones. So yes it is that simple. Dumbleodre had more quality in his life than Voldmert. Considering Albus is a headmaster of a school he would defintly be under the eye of the ministry, and also hogwarts is also run by governors as stated in chamber of secrets. So really the daily running of the school was run by him as stated by umbridge when he said the power to dispose of a teacher lies with the headmaster. Saying that is one things however you can't prove he scared Dumbleodre. Jut because you scare one person doesn't mean you scare another. Dumbleodre scarred Tom. That ps fact you saying Dumbleodre was scarred of him is speculation. Ok I looked at the figh and du,bled ore came to him, with a serious face and then calls him by a name he hates, and basically keepers the same face for the majority of the battle and then when he gets backed up its Dumbleodre who shows superiority.

Du,blender si the greatest wizard ever books and films wise. Shows and pretty much stated. Your so called proof has already been analyzed and crushed and it's someone's opinion who isn't apart of the movies. Voldemorts combat feats aren't on dumbleodres level. You are talking about who is more open minded which isn't the issue is about impact. Voldemort faced of against him like nothing so despite being fearful he faced him straight up. Again, we see fear on Albus' face during their duel not on Voldemort's.

Movies only, loser.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are talking about who is more open minded which isn't the issue is about impact. Voldemort faced of against him like nothing so despite being fearful he faced him straight up. Again, we see fear on Albus' face during their duel not on Voldemort's.

Movies only, loser.

Oh so now you flee from your stance. Dumbleodre showed better quality for his life. His open mindedness helped him with his impacts helping the wizarding world to become more accepting, while Voldemort opted to just kill them off. Defenders are always more viable in history than the villains. So that doesn't detract from him being scarred and when he saw he couldn't win he got scarred and just fled and attempted to attack Harry instead of finishing off his duel with Dumbleodre. There was no fear on dumbleodres face. However there was on Voldemorts face at the end once Dumbleodre turns the glass into sand.

I know idiot. I just put emphasis on dumbleodres superiority over Voldemort.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Oh so now you flee from your stance. Dumbleodre showed better quality for his life. His open mindedness helped him with his impacts helping the wizarding world to become more accepting, while Voldemort opted to just kill them off. Defenders are always more viable in history than the villains. So that doesn't detract from him being scarred and when he saw he couldn't win he got scarred and just fled and attempted to attack Harry instead of finishing off his duel with Dumbleodre. There was no fear on dumbleodres face. However there was on Voldemorts face at the end once Dumbleodre turns the glass into sand.

I know idiot. I just put emphasis on dumbleodres superiority over Voldemort. No, he didn't. Voldemort was firm in his beliefs and would have taken the Wizards to the top of the food chain. Albums was already dead at this point so who cares. Weak guy was dead. There was fear all over his face for Harry. Voldemort was pissed not scared.


Spell his name right you dipshit.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he didn't. Voldemort was firm in his beliefs and would have taken the Wizards to the top of the food chain. Albums was already dead at this point so who cares. Weak guy was dead. There was fear all over his face for Harry. Voldemort was pissed not scared.


Spell his name right you dipshit.

By wipping out an entire group of people? It's Albus not Albums. So Voldemort according to you was scared of a weak person. For Harry, not of Voldemort. Those are two seperate things.

You can't spell Albus right.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
By wipping out an entire group of people? It's Albus not Albums. So Voldemort according to you was scared of a weak person. For Harry, not of Voldemort. Those are two seperate things.

You can't spell Albus right. Autocorrect, nerd. Albus was mentally weak but possessed magical skill.

Irony.

Voldemort was far greater than Albus.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Autocorrect, nerd. Albus was mentally weak but possessed magical skill.

Irony.

Voldemort was far greater than Albus.

No excuses dummy. Get your names spelt right. Mentally weak?!?!? He was the most brilliant guy of the entire series. He makes everyone look rather stupid. Explain how he was mentally stupid.

Well youve still failed to prove Voldemort superiority while I have proved dumbledores.