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Team Arrow:

Oliver
Diggle
Roy (no mirakuru)
Thea
Laurel
Sarah


Agents of SHIELD:

Ward
May
Coulson
Sky (no powers)
Bobbi
Mack


Each team is tasked to take out the other team. They have basic intel on each other but nothing too specific. All characters are at their peak skill level and are armed with their standard equipment.

Which team wins?

Do the Shield agents have anything to counter Laurel's canary cry? I want to say that Oliver and May are their respective teams big threats though I think it could go either way.

Nothing really, other than their standard firearms which are quite a bit more destructive than what the Arrow team has.

Oliver can stalemate, if not outright beat Flash in Season 1. I don't see SHIELD agents matching that without Asgardian or Kree artifacts/powers. With standard equipment, I think Arrow team wins.

Oliver only stood a chance aginst Flash because he had quite a bit of prep for it. Just saying...

Ollie stomps.. as we have seen on Arrow or at least I have seen since I watch the show, that bullets do not even touch Oliver,, second the s.h.i.e.l.d. agents have no defense against Ollie's arrows.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Ollie stomps.. as we have seen on Arrow or at least I have seen since I watch the show, that bullets do not even touch Oliver,, second the s.h.i.e.l.d. agents have no defense against Ollie's arrows. Bullets really don't touch any super heroes.

Bullet touch Detective Lance plenty though .

Ward and May aside I'm not sure the rest of the agents are significantly beyond the Arrow team except Laurel(w/o Canary Cry).

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Bullet touch Detective Lance plenty though .

Ward and May aside I'm not sure the rest of the agents are significantly beyond the Arrow team except Laurel(w/o Canary Cry).

You don't think Bobbi is a better fighter than some of the Arrow team?

Originally posted by FrothByte
You don't think Bobbi is a better fighter than some of the Arrow team?

I think Bobbi would be better than the Lance siblings and Diggle.Thea and Roy may edge out a win due to weaponry more likely than not. Also Thea's crash course with Merlin allowed her to momentarily match Oliver though he probably wasn't expecting a fight.

Bobbi did match Ward though, almost beat him actually. Just saying...

the whole S.H.I.E.L.D. team sucks ... they won't even touch team Arrow

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
the whole S.H.I.E.L.D. team sucks ... they won't even touch team Arrow

How many season of SHIELD have you actually watched?

Originally posted by FrothByte
How many season of SHIELD have you actually watched?


I have watched since the pilot episode....

tell me then since you allegedly have smarts how exactly will team s.h.i.e.l.d. shoot team arrow since it is common knowledge to those that watch arrow that bullets do not do a damn thing to them...

each member of team s.h.i.e.l.d. get arrows shoved up where the sun don't shine

also you need to actually have agents of s.h.i.e.l.d. and if you did then you'd know that they do not hit their targets accept after several shots, but alas that won't happen here since they will be dead

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I have watched since the pilot episode....

tell me then since you allegedly have smarts how exactly will team s.h.i.e.l.d. shoot team arrow since it is common knowledge to those that watch arrow that bullets do not do a damn thing to them...

each member of team s.h.i.e.l.d. get arrows shoved up where the sun don't shine

also you need to actually have agents of s.h.i.e.l.d. and if you did then you'd know that they do not hit their targets accept after several shots, but alas that won't happen here since they will be dead

Well first off, the agents use body armor, which team Arrow doesn't. AOS also use icers, not exactly bullets. The agents are about as accurate with their guns as team arrow is with their bows... meaning they almost always hit their targets as long as it's fodder and somehow keep missing when it's the big bad villain.

Team arrow use fancier moves in h2h but AOS team usually incapacitate their opponents in fewer moves.

I'm not saying team AOS wins, I just think you're seriously underestimating them.

I'd love to comment on this, because it seems like an interesting match, but I found AoS too mind-blowingly boring to make it through season 1. I commend everyone who has stuck with this show throughout its run so far.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I'd love to comment on this, because it seems like an interesting match, but I found AoS too mind-blowingly boring to make it through season 1. I commend everyone who has stuck with this show throughout its run so far.

The first 2/3 of season 1 were horrible. But the last 1/3 which came after CATWS was great. Season 2 was awesome. And as season 3 now comes around I'd rate it higher than any other superhero TV show currently out there.

Give it a chance, you won't regret it.

Daisy with powers would have been more even, the only advantage that shield has is that Ward and May will kill.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Daisy with powers would have been more even, the only advantage that shield has is that Ward and May will kill.

And Bobbi. Bobbi and Ward and May all seem like they're in the same caliber. So you have 3 top trained agents.

On the Arrow side only Oliver and Sarah are fully trained.

Oliver is way above their level and Bobbi really never impressed me.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Oliver is way above their level and Bobbi really never impressed me.

What makes you think Oliver is way above their level?

I'd argue Oliver is perhaps the best combatant here though the weak link on the agents team should be better that Laurel sans Canary Cry.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Well first off, the agents use body armor, which team Arrow doesn't. AOS also use icers, not exactly bullets. The agents are about as accurate with their guns as team arrow is with their bows... meaning they almost always hit their targets as long as it's fodder and somehow keep missing when it's the big bad villain.

Team arrow use fancier moves in h2h but AOS team usually incapacitate their opponents in fewer moves.

I'm not saying team AOS wins, I just think you're seriously underestimating them.

lmao at body armor .... can you prove that the s.h.i.e.l.d. body armor protects them from being shot with arrows..

the fewer movies bit is silly

nope sorry I am not underestimating the s.h.i.e.l.d. agents.. simply put they have no defense from being put down with arrows. it has been shown time and time again how they evade/dodge bullets. heck Oliver has been shown fast enough to stay with Slade and that was all throughout Season 2. Also Oliver alone has been shown to evade/dodge bullets and quickly fire kill shots..

Originally posted by FrothByte
What makes you think Oliver is way above their level? his fights vs non fodders. Oliver is pretty close to Bucky's level and we saw what he did to Widow. May is good but I can't see her hanging with Ra's or Slade.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
lmao at body armor .... can you prove that the s.h.i.e.l.d. body armor protects them from being shot with arrows..

the fewer movies bit is silly

nope sorry I am not underestimating the s.h.i.e.l.d. agents.. simply put they have no defense from being put down with arrows. it has been shown time and time again how they evade/dodge bullets. heck Oliver has been shown fast enough to stay with Slade and that was all throughout Season 2. Also Oliver alone has been shown to evade/dodge bullets and quickly fire kill shots..

Coulson has been shot in his body armor before I believe and it saved him. Nick Fury has as well.

All of them dodge bullets to a degree. May and Ward also took on a couple of people imbued with Asgardian berserker strength and did pretty decently.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Coulson has been shot in his body armor before I believe and it saved him. Nick Fury has as well.

All of them dodge bullets to a degree. May and Ward also took on a couple of people imbued with Asgardian berserker strength and did pretty decently.


so.. the person used arrows against them??

May and Ward suck.... can they dodge arrows as easily as Ollie and company can dodge bullets????

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
so.. the person used arrows against them??

May and Ward suck.... can they dodge arrows as easily as Ollie and company can dodge bullets????

They dodge bullets which travel faster than arrows so why not? Besides, you're making it seem like Ollie is some kind of bullet timer. He's not. Stop making it seem like it. Ollie has been tagged before.

And no, the SHIELD agents were not shot by arrows but body armor is still better than no body armor.

And I reiterate again: Ward and May usually are more efficient at taking out fodder than Oliver is. So I don't see where you get this notion that Ollie is so far above them.

Because of the skill shown in take downs and non-fodder. Honestly, I'm a marvel guy and I'm not sure how you can compare the agents to Ollie... Even DD would be owned by GA

Daredevil was having trouble with mooks and all but lost to Nobu. I don't think that's a fair comparison for the agents or Oliver.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Because of the skill shown in take downs and non-fodder. Honestly, I'm a marvel guy and I'm not sure how you can compare the agents to Ollie... Even DD would be owned by GA

Guess I'm not as impressed with Ollie as you are. Don't get me wrong, he's definitely a good fighter, but not that much above Ward or May. For all of his nice complex and acrobatic moves he doesn't take out opponents quite as effectively as Ward, who regularly breaks fingers and busts knee caps as part of his move list.

How come Quake doesn't get her powers?

Originally posted by KingD19
How come Quake doesn't get her powers? She would easily solo.

I mean I know. Just figured it was kinda skewed since without her power Sky is good but not great, but Canary is pretty good without them and has an edge in the fight due to her scream.

Ollie went toe to toe with Flash...don't see any SHIELD agents matching that.

Originally posted by FrothByte
They dodge bullets which travel faster than arrows so why not? Besides, you're making it seem like Ollie is some kind of bullet timer. He's not. Stop making it seem like it. Ollie has been tagged before.

And no, the SHIELD agents were not shot by arrows but body armor is still better than no body armor.

And I reiterate again: Ward and May usually are more efficient at taking out fodder than Oliver is. So I don't see where you get this notion that Ollie is so far above them.





do u need a roll of toilet paper to wipe your tears away??? and yet when Ollie was tagged , did he or did he not get back up????

oh Ollie is MOUNT OLYMPUS compared to those posers...

oh and still where is your proof that their body armor can withstand arrows being shoved up where the sun don't shine????

do not be a dodger lover and answer the question,, it isn't that hard for you to answer

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Ollie went toe to toe with Flash...don't see any SHIELD agents matching that.

Let's not make it seem more impressive than it was. With prep he lasted for a bit, and landed hits, but Barry gets tagged by slower people all the time. And his hits are pretty pathetic considering how fast he's going when he lands one.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
do u need a roll of toilet paper to wipe your tears away??? and yet when Ollie was tagged , did he or did he not get back up????

oh Ollie is MOUNT OLYMPUS compared to those posers...

oh and still where is your proof that their body armor can withstand arrows being shoved up where the sun don't shine????

do not be a dodger lover and answer the question,, it isn't that hard for you to answer

Wow, what's with all this hostility?

A bullet proof vest will not stop a direct hit from an arrow, that's not what it was made for. But it will stop a glancing hit. On the other hand, a glancing hit from an icer seems enough to knockout the target. Meaning the Arrow team needs to make sure they either hit where there's no armor or make sure it's a direct hit against the armor whereas AOS just needs to hit their target.

Now I answered your question, show me what kind of protection the Arrow team has against icers?

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Ollie went toe to toe with Flash...don't see any SHIELD agents matching that.

Ollie had a lot of prep for that, was able to choose a location and rig it beforehand, and was fighting a mentally unstable Flash. And even then he wasn't doing that well.

The top SHIELD agents on the team can definitely match that as long as they're given the same amount of prep.

Originally posted by KingD19
I mean I know. Just figured it was kinda skewed since without her power Sky is good but not great, but Canary is pretty good without them and has an edge in the fight due to her scream.

This is how good Skye is without her powers:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hReYNlIoIWE


From what I can tell, Canary is nowhere near as good. She still regularly gets hit when facing multiple opponents.

Originally posted by FrothByte
This is how good Skye is without her powers:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hReYNlIoIWE


From what I can tell, Canary is nowhere near as good. She still regularly gets hit when facing multiple opponents.
I'd like to mention that it was pretty cool how Skye's actress didn't use a stunt double. Not that it means anything for this match.

BTW which Canary are you referring too?

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I'd like to mention that it was pretty cool how Skye's actress didn't use a stunt double. Not that it means anything for this match.

BTW which Canary are you referring too?

Laurel. Sorry I should have made that clear. Since she was the latest Canary I assumed that's whom everyone was referring to.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Wow, what's with all this hostility?

A bullet proof vest will not stop a direct hit from an arrow, that's not what it was made for. But it will stop a glancing hit. On the other hand, a glancing hit from an icer seems enough to knockout the target. Meaning the Arrow team needs to make sure they either hit where there's no armor or make sure it's a direct hit against the armor whereas AOS just needs to hit their target.

Now I answered your question, show me what kind of protection the Arrow team has against icers?

they do not need it since team s.h.i.e.l.d. will be dead on arrival...

Team Arrow dodges/evades then puts arrows all through them, pure and simple...

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Ollie went toe to toe with Flash...don't see any SHIELD agents matching that.

exactly...

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
they do not need it since team s.h.i.e.l.d. will be dead on arrival...

Team Arrow dodges/evades then puts arrows all through them, pure and simple...



exactly...

Oliver, who's the best marksman on team Arrow, has missed on several occasions especially when fighting high caliber opponents. He's still the best marksman out of everyone in the fight, but it doesn't mean he can take down all his opponents with a single shot. And if he can't do it, then none of his teammates can do it either.

Don't get me wrong, I think team Arrow have better marksmen than team AOS, but that's negated by team AOS's faster firing rate and heavier artillery.


As for the Flash fight, as has been said: Oliver had lots of prep time for that, was able to choose the location and rig it beforehand and was fighting a mentally unstable Flash... and even then he was still losing the fight. Any of AOS top agents can easily replicate those feats (probably even do better) as long as they have ample intel and prep time.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Laurel. Sorry I should have made that clear. Since she was the latest Canary I assumed that's whom everyone was referring to.
Laurel kind of sucks though so Skye being better than her isn't really that impressive. I'd still give Sara the edge if Skye ever went up against her, excluding Quake powers for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Laurel kind of sucks though so Skye being better than her isn't really that impressive. I'd still give Sara the edge if Skye ever went up against her, excluding Quake powers for obvious reasons.

Oh yeah, Skye doesn't have much of a chance against Sarah. It would either need to be Ward, May or Bobbi who goes up against Sara. Personally I'd prefer it was Bobbi due to similar weapons. Coulson might be able to go up against her for a bit. I'm unsure about Coulson.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Oliver, who's the best marksman on team Arrow, has missed on several occasions especially when fighting high caliber opponents. He's still the best marksman out of everyone in the fight, but it doesn't mean he can take down all his opponents with a single shot. And if he can't do it, then none of his teammates can do it either.

Don't get me wrong, I think team Arrow have better marksmen than team AOS, but that's negated by team AOS's faster firing rate and heavier artillery.


As for the Flash fight, as has been said: Oliver had lots of prep time for that, was able to choose the location and rig it beforehand and was fighting a mentally unstable Flash... and even then he was still losing the fight. Any of AOS top agents can easily replicate those feats (probably even do better) as long as they have ample intel and prep time.


lol... you are forgetting Ollie is quite fast himself

second ,don't you know by now that I don't give a rat's arse about prep.. ollie went toe to toe with flash, that is all that counts to me... third, during the whole entire 2nd season Ollie went toe to toe with slade and that counts here too..

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
lol... you are forgetting Ollie is quite fast himself

second ,don't you know by now that I don't give a rat's arse about prep.. ollie went toe to toe with flash, that is all that counts to me... third, during the whole entire 2nd season Ollie went toe to toe with slade and that counts here too..

Ollie went toe to toe with Slade and got the shit beat out of not just him but his entire team. The only time he beat Slade was when Slade got hit with the anti-mirakuru vaccine, lost his powers and was severely weakened. That vaccine was enough to knock out other mirakuru soldiers. So Oliver beating Slade in that state isn't that impressive.

You may try to deny it, but prep gave Oliver a huge advantage over Flash in their fight. Oliver has no feats that suggests he can take on Flash one on one without prep and without outside help.

Oliver is fast... about as fast as Ward or May. Maybe faster, though Ward looks stronger.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ollie went toe to toe with Slade and got the shit beat out of not just him but his entire team. The only time he beat Slade was when Slade got hit with the anti-mirakuru vaccine, lost his powers and was severely weakened. That vaccine was enough to knock out other mirakuru soldiers. So Oliver beating Slade in that state isn't that impressive.

You may try to deny it, but prep gave Oliver a huge advantage over Flash in their fight. Oliver has no feats that suggests he can take on Flash one on one without prep and without outside help.

Oliver is fast... about as fast as Ward or May. Maybe faster, though Ward looks stronger.


lolz... then why didn't slade kill oliver than???? again he fought slade all throughout the 2nd season and looked good doing it...


Ward is shit.... for all his alleged greatness he should have killed the s.h.i.e.l.d. team yet he hasn't so he is;t all he is cracked up to be.. btw he dies with arrows to his face or chest..

ohh the stupid moronic strength argument


nothing for me to deny, I simply do not care for when people cry about prep.. fact is Ollie went toe to toe with the flash, prep or no prep...

Ward is shit period... stronger means shit..

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
lolz... then why didn't slade kill oliver than???? again he fought slade all throughout the 2nd season and looked good doing it...


Ward is shit.... for all his alleged greatness he should have killed the s.h.i.e.l.d. team yet he hasn't so he is;t all he is cracked up to be.. btw he dies with arrows to his face or chest..

ohh the stupid moronic strength argument


nothing for me to deny, I simply do not care for when people cry about prep.. fact is Ollie went toe to toe with the flash, prep or no prep...

Ward is shit period... stronger means shit..

Slade beat the crap out of Oliver every single time they fought except for when Slade was severely weakened. Seems like you love exaggerating Oliver's feats:

Oliver fights Slade and gets beat up? You term it as "fought Slade and looked good doing it".

Oliver fights Flash with prep and help from a team, you consider it as somehow Oliver displaying that he can hang with Flash h2h.

And the way you downplay the feats in AOS... makes me think either you're trolling or you haven't really watched the show.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Slade beat the crap out of Oliver every single time they fought except for when Slade was severely weakened. Seems like you love exaggerating Oliver's feats:

Oliver fights Slade and gets beat up? You term it as "fought Slade and looked good doing it".

Oliver fights Flash with prep and help from a team, you consider it as somehow Oliver displaying that he can hang with Flash h2h.

And the way you downplay the feats in AOS... makes me think either you're trolling or you haven't really watched the show.

nah Oliver was fine when they fought...

well unlike you I do not care about the silly prep argument.. people like you always need kleenix and toilet paper when talking about the prep argument. whereas i don't give a damn when people use the prep argument because it suits why they hate how a character wins or loses.. besides how exactly did oliver have prep against barry?

oh I see the other silly bullshit argument. listen who clearly needs some toilet paper because you know the s.h.i.e.l.d. team loses ... I have watched agents of s.h.ie.l.d. since the very beginning.. not my damn problem they suck and that they lose this...