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We had one for most powerful up to ROTJ now how about one as of TFA for predictions. Who do you all think will be the most powerful once they've all reached their primes and have feats?

Candidates are:

Luke

Snoke

Rey

Kylo

Luke so far, Rey will surpass tho

Should be Luke. No matter how many thousands of years old Snoke is. Considering this is the trilogy where Rey picks up a Saber for the first time and defeats Kylo. So Jedi Master Luke should defeat anyone.

(Yes I know Ren was injured, but you get my point).

Kylo, only because we do not know Luke's abilities until ep 8.... Rey showed promise as well

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Kylo, only because we do not know Luke's abilities until ep 8.... Rey showed promise as well

Snoke. Kylo listens to him for a reason. Did you grasp any of the film ?

Luke of course. Snoke was basically shitting his pants when he learned that the Resistance got the map.

Originally posted by ares834
Luke of course. Snoke was basically shitting his pants when he learned that the Resistance got the map. Lets wait and see. I'm riding with Snoke.

Luke. Snoke is scared of him.

Yoda...

He lifted a ship.

Originally posted by playa1258
Luke. Snoke is scared of him. Nah, but killing your enemies is a dark side thing to do. Luke was the one in hiding.

Originally posted by playa1258
Luke. Snoke is scared of him.

Luke, and it's likely a decisive advantage

Luke, Snoke hasn't shown what he can do with the force yet

Luke/snoke for now

Rey in the future

Kylo Ren was trained by both Luke and Snoke and while his training with Snoke wasn't completed Rey, who didn't have any training whatsoever, still dominated him like he owed her money.

Not even Anakin or Luke had powers anywhere close to Rey's prior to their training. Her midi-chlorian reading would probably be in the millions based on her latent potential.

In fact, when Rey is properly trained she'll be moving planets and stars around with her mind.

Originally posted by Astner
Kylo Ren was trained by both Luke and Snoke and while his training with Snoke wasn't completed Rey, who didn't have any training whatsoever, still dominated him like he owed her money.

Not even Anakin or Luke had powers anywhere close to Rey's prior to their training. Her midi-chlorian reading would probably be in the millions based on her latent potential.

In fact, when Rey is properly trained she'll be moving planets and stars around with her mind. I still have a strong belief that she did have training before she was left on Jakku. How that will unfold in the story is not known to me though.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Luke is the one in hiding. This isn't Sidious who tried fleeing from Yoda and begged Windu to have mercy on him. Sidious the proven coward.

Originally posted by ares834
Luke of course. Snoke was basically shitting his pants when he learned that the Resistance got the map.





Originally posted by Newjak
I still have a strong belief that she did have training before she was left on Jakku.


God I hope so.

Originally posted by Darth Thor






God I hope so. Wanna bet ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Luke is the one in hiding. This isn't Sidious who tried fleeing from Yoda and begged Windu to have mercy on him. Sidious the proven coward.

Actually, per the source material, Snoke rules from a mobile command base so as to avoid detection. Between that and his reluctance to try to seize power while the Emperor was alive, all things point to Snoke being quite feminine.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wanna bet ?
Considering how she didn't even believe in the Force in the beginning of the movie... yes.

Originally posted by Astner
Considering how she didn't even believe in the Force in the beginning of the movie... yes. I meant Snoke over Luke.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Actually, per the source material, Snoke rules from a mobile command base so as to avoid detection. Between that and his reluctance to try to seize power while the Emperor was alive, all things point to Snoke being quite feminine. The emperor attacked his former master while he slept. Cowardly. Sidious also begged a Jedi to spare his life. Cowardly. Sidious also sent thousands of troops out to kill the remaining Jedi with Vader. Cowardly. Yoda found him and Sidious tried running. Cowardly.

Snoke is a love Sidious is dead due to stupidity. He was a coward in life and died screaming like a ***** in death. Just let him go. He's weak.

No need to get emotional, quan. No one's denying the Emperor's fear. It's just that Snoke didn't make his move until after Palpatine died, despite alleging to have watched the Empire rise and fall. Seems like he was afraid of both the Emperor and Luke.

Besides, you don't really think the Emperor is weak. He's one of your favorite Star Wars characters, by your own admission.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
No need to get emotional, quan. No one's denying the Emperor's fear. It's just that Snoke didn't make his move until after Palpatine died, despite alleging to have watched the Empire rise and fall. Seems like he was afraid of both the Emperor and Luke.

Besides, you don't really think the Emperor is weak. He's one of your favorite Star Wars characters, by your own admission. The emperor didn't make his move until he attacked his master while he slept. Somehow Palpatine showing patience is a good thing but someone else doing so somehow it becomes fear. Your bias is showing.

Yes, he is which shows lots of weak characters since he ran wild. Have him attempt to manipulate Khan and he'd get the Admiral Marcus treatment.

You're overreacting: I already told you no one is denying the Emperor's fear. I'm not condemning him for being sneaky nor am I condemning Snoke for waiting until the Emperor was dead. No double standard on my end.

I'm just pointing out that both of them apparently try their hardest to avoid a risky fight if they can manage it.

You're the one bashing one and praising the other for similar tactics.

I don't understand your second paragraph. You admit that the Emperor is one of your favorite characters but also say you hate weakness. Logically, the Emperor wouldn't be one of your favorite characters if you truly thought him weak. So I can only conclude you really don't find him weak.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
You're overreacting: I already told you no one is denying the Emperor's fear. I'm not condemning him for being sneaky nor am I condemning Snoke for waiting until the Emperor was dead. No double standard on my end.

I'm just pointing out that both of them apparently try their hardest to avoid a risky fight if they can manage it.

You're the one bashing one and praising the other for similar tactics.

I don't understand your second paragraph. You admit that the Emperor is one of your favorite characters but also say you hate weakness. Logically, the Emperor wouldn't be one of your favorite characters if you truly thought him weak. So I can only conclude you really don't find him weak. We don't know that so you can't assume. We can speculate till the cows come home but the emperor wouldn't leave himself to be vulnerable and to challenge a galactic empire at the wrong moment would be foolish not cowardly.

We don't know what about Snoke but we do know that about Palpatine.

Incorrect. You're making assumptions based off speculation whereas we know the circumstances of the fear Palpatine displayed.

He is weak. Most of the Star Wars characters are weak. Just because I like him doesn't make him strong just better than those around him until Snoke imo. Maul is my favorite pre Snoke.

Nah, you assume all the time lol. Snoke says he watched the Empire rise and fall, yet he didn't act until after the Emperor died. We can infer just as much from those facts as we can from the fact that the Emperor killed Plagueis in his sleep. Palpatine died without his killer "challenging a Galactic Empire." It's called assassination. Smart and cowardly aren't mutually exclusive.

So the fact remains that Palpatine didn't act in a risky way and neither did Snoke. 👍

So you like weak characters? Intriguing.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nah, you assume all the time lol. Snoke says he watched the Empire rise and fall, yet he didn't act until after the Emperor died. We can infer just as much from those facts as we can from the fact that the Emperor killed Plagueis in his sleep. Palpatine died without his killer "challenging a Galactic Empire." It's called assassination. Smart and cowardly aren't mutually exclusive.

So the fact remains that Palpatine didn't act in a risky way and neither did Snoke. 👍

So you like weak characters? Intriguing. Why would he attack an emperor who had a galactic empire at his control ? What if he foresaw his fall ? What if the emperor never gave him the chance for a one on one duel ? Did Yoda ever try again ? Nah.

Palpatine died because he risked hai hold over the galaxy to recruit one Jedi. That's awful considering Vader was his father and he didn't foresee Vader turning.

Snoke is alive and Palpatine foolishly died risking it all over Luke.


Maul isn't weak. When we see Snoke more over the years and I am proven correct I want you to renounce Palpatine.

Hey, I'm not knocking the guy for biding his time. I'm just saying he was clearly afraid to try to do the job himself. Again, you can be smart and be a coward at the same time. I don't belittle patience and cunning like you do.

As far as the Jedi and Sith were concerned, no one could renounce the dark side. That's why Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't believe Vader could be redeemed and neither did the Emperor. Obviously he was wrong, but he had no reason to believe Vader would turn on him out of sentiment.

Snoke being alive doesn't mean anything more than all the various characters in Harry Potter who outlived Voldemort. 👍

Maul must be weak, he lost to Sidious and fled from him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We don't know that so you can't assume. We can speculate till the cows come home but the emperor wouldn't leave himself to be vulnerable and to challenge a galactic empire at the wrong moment would be foolish not cowardly.

We don't know what about Snoke but we do know that about Palpatine.

Incorrect. You're making assumptions based off speculation whereas we know the circumstances of the fear Palpatine displayed.

He is weak. Most of the Star Wars characters are weak. Just because I like him doesn't make him strong just better than those around him until Snoke imo. Maul is my favorite pre Snoke.

Do you know how stupid you look here? I mean it's downright hilarious. You're accusing Tempest (somebody with vastly more star wars knowledge than you) of assuming things. When in fact, you're the main person doing the assuming. We can SAFELY and WITHOUT any ambiguity say Sids is above Snoke. It's not even a contest. Palps has actual wins under his belt, snoke has ZERO wins under his belt. Yet, you're still saying he's above Sids. That is the definition of a retarded assumption. I know it's hard, but try thinking before you type stupidity

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Hey, I'm not knocking the guy for biding his time. I'm just saying he was clearly afraid to try to do the job himself. Again, you can be smart and be a coward at the same time. I don't belittle patience and cunning like you do.

As far as the Jedi and Sith were concerned, no one could renounce the dark side. That's why Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't believe Vader could be redeemed and neither did the Emperor. Obviously he was wrong, but he had no reason to believe Vader would turn on him out of sentiment.

Snoke being alive doesn't mean anything more than all the various characters in Harry Potter who outlived Voldemort. 👍

Maul must be weak, he lost to Sidious and fled from him. Attacking your master while he slept is cowardice. Vader just said **** this and killed the emperor. That's taking out your master like a man. You have nothing to base this off of since there was no known opportunity to attack him alone. Yoda makes it clear he will have one chance in the films. You're just making shit up.

To not see the possibility someone as mentally weak as Anakin could turn in the beat of the moment when he did so already is beyond stupid. He risked all of this to gain another Jedi when he already held the Galaxy.

Snoke rose to power. Did the other characters ? Nah.

Maul was outnumbered but took him on. He never ran from a fair fight. Maul still lives unlike that dead Vader victim.

Vader attacked the Emperor while he was distracted and torturing Luke. And died in the attempt. The entire reason he tried to recruit Luke to begin with is because he knew he couldn't take the Emperor in a "fair fight."

Cowardice comes in many forms. Like waiting until a man is dead before trying to take power yourself. Clearly Snoke was too afraid of the Emperor to attempt the deed himself. Sad.

Snoke did rise to power... But only after the Emperor died.

Actually, the first time Maul took Sidious on, he had his brother for backup. He lost, begged, and was taken captive. Then he fled again on Dathomir. Weak.

It's so funny how he accuses you of assumptions, and yet, is making the biggest assumption of all saying Snoke is above the emperor.. By feats The Emperor shits, and I mean shits all over snoke.

Quan will high ball Snoke and low ball Luke/Sidious.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do you know how stupid you look here? I mean it's downright hilarious. You're accusing Tempest (somebody with vastly more star wars knowledge than you) of assuming things. When in fact, you're the main person doing the assuming. We can SAFELY and WITHOUT any ambiguity say Sids is above Snoke. It's not even a contest. Palps has actual wins under his belt, snoke has ZERO wins under his belt. Yet, you're still saying he's above Sids. That is the definition of a retarded assumption. I know it's hard, but try thinking before you type stupidity No, we don't know that. That's your assumption when you're flat out incorrect. In another thread he agreed Sidious defeats Yoda despite you saying Yoda and easily thus you just owned yourself.

I am saying I predict he will be more powerful than Sidious much like the starkiller was vastly better than the Death Star. Wait and see, nonbeliever.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Vader attacked the Emperor while he was distracted and torturing Luke. And died in the attempt. The entire reason he tried to recruit Luke to begin with is because he knew he couldn't take the Emperor in a "fair fight."

Cowardice comes in many forms. Like waiting until a man is dead before trying to take power yourself. Clearly Snoke was too afraid of the Emperor to attempt the deed himself. Sad.

Snoke did rise to power... But only after the Emperor died.

Actually, the first time Maul took Sidious on, he had his brother for backup. He lost, begged, and was taken captive. Then he fled again on Dathomir. Weak. He used cunning in a situation he was one handed. He wanted to rule the empire as father and son. He just believed that the emperor foresaw Luke doing so but he was wrong as Vader killed him.

Iyo not mine. Why kill someone yourself when you foresee their death especially when they have an empire and won't make it easy.

Snoke already had a greater weapon in his Arsenal and I'd like to extend a personal challenge to you. I'll debate Snoke and his first order against the imperial empire of the ot with Palpatine.

Sidious came and challenged him. Opress is a lot weaker than Maul. Sidious is more powerful than both so challenging two you're clearly better than isn't showing courage at all.

To challenge three on one isn't weak it's stupid. He lives. Palpatine already had to beg for Anakin's help to stave off Windu. Let's not act like he's above begging or needing another's help to save him from a big bad Jedi before.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, we don't know that. That's your assumption when you're flat out incorrect. In another thread he agreed Sidious defeats Yoda despite you saying Yoda and easily thus you just owned yourself.

I am saying I predict he will be more powerful than Sidious much like the starkiller was vastly better than the Death Star. Wait and see, nonbeliever.

It's not an assumption you moron...

1. Sids killed 3 acclaimed Jedi masters in a matter of moments
2. Went life and death with Yoda
3. Literally killed Vader after a sneak attack

NOW... This is what I want NAME ME SNOKE FEATS... Ready set go?


As you can clearly see, it's not an assumption Sids is above Sids, he is based on feats. Snoke may get more, but as of now, he EXPONENTIALLY BELOW SIDS. That isn't an assumption that is a fact. You're ASSUMING Snoke will get more feats, and feats that put him above Sids. That is assumption 101 noob

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's not an assumption you moron...

1. Sids killed 3 acclaimed Jedi masters in a matter of moments
2. Went life and death with Yoda
3. Literally killed Vader after a sneak attack

NOW... This is what I want NAME ME SNOKE FEATS... Ready set go?


As you can clearly see, it's not an assumption Sids is above Sids, he is based on feats. Snoke may get more, but as of now, he EXPONENTIALLY BELOW SIDS. That isn't an assumption that is a fact. You're ASSUMING Snoke will get more feats, and feats that put him above Sids. That is assumption 101 noob
1. Featless weaklings.
2. He failed to kill Yoda. He had him at his mercy for over thirty seconds. Weak.
3. Vader had one hand and he killed him. Awful.

Opress lasted longer than those Jedi weaklings. Windu beat his ass.

I said I predict. Do you know what predict means. Obviously not. When that day comes I'll Snoke your ass. He's kinda my guy, sport.

I know people say Ren was injured, but Rey was too, iirc.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Featless weaklings.
2. He failed to kill Yoda. He had him at his mercy for over thirty seconds. Weak.
3. Vader had one hand and he killed him. Awful.

Opress lasted longer than those Jedi weaklings. Windu beat his ass.

I said I predict. Do you know what predict means. Obviously not. When that day comes I'll Snoke your ass. He's kinda my guy, sport.



No substance there what so ever. So you concede, as of now Sids (by feats) is above Snoke correct?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No substance there what so ever. So you concede, as of now Sids (by feats) is above Snoke correct? I said predict. You predict Palpatine will be more powerful by the trilogy's end. I disagree but I'm a Snoke guy. You aren't. First Order all the way, coward.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He used cunning in a situation he was one handed. He wanted to rule the empire as father and son. He just believed that the emperor foresaw Luke doing so but he was wrong as Vader killed him.

Iyo not mine. Why kill someone yourself when you foresee their death especially when they have an empire and won't make it easy.

Snoke already had a greater weapon in his Arsenal and I'd like to extend a personal challenge to you. I'll debate Snoke and his first order against the imperial empire of the ot with Palpatine.

Sidious came and challenged him. Opress is a lot weaker than Maul. Sidious is more powerful than both so challenging two you're clearly better than isn't showing courage at all.

To challenge three on one isn't weak it's stupid. He lives. Palpatine already had to beg for Anakin's help to stave off Windu. Let's not act like he's above begging or needing another's help to save him from a big bad Jedi before.

Vader wanted to kill and usurp the Emperor since ROTS {he even told Padme}. He didn't make an attempt for 20 years until he thought he would have backup in the form of Luke. When he actually did try... he died in the attempt. But you've said elsewhere that Vader is lesser than Sidious, so I know you know better. You're just overreacting.

Well of course it's my opinion. Just like it's your opinion that my opinion is wrong. Again, I'm not knocking Snoke for waiting and hiding. It was clearly the smart thing to do. Just like it was smart for Palpatine to kill Plagueis in his sleep rather than risk a fight he could lose.

Not sure what Snoke having a "greater" weapon has to do with anything. That's what 30 years of technological advances affords you lol.

I don't need to debate Snoke/First Order vs. Palpatine/Empire. We don't have any verifiable feats or accolades to compare Snoke to the Emperor and we know, per official sources, that the First Order's military is "too small" to "rival" the Imperial Navy at its height {The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary}. One questioned is answered already and the other won't be for at least a few more years.

So when Palpatine challenges 4 on 1 and loses, he's weak. When Palpatine challenges 2 on 1 and wins, he's weak. When Maul doesn't challenge 3 on 1 and flees, he's strong.

I think you're just getting too emotional about this. There's no point in carrying on if we can't have an honest conversation.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Vader wanted to kill and usurp the Emperor since ROTS {he even told Padme}. He didn't make an attempt for 20 years until he thought he would have backup in the form of Luke. When he actually did try... he died in the attempt. But you've said elsewhere that Vader is lesser than Sidious, so I know you know better. You're just overreacting.

Well of course it's my opinion. Just like it's your opinion that my opinion is wrong. Again, I'm not knocking Snoke for waiting and hiding. It was clearly the smart thing to do. Just like it was smart for Palpatine to kill Plagueis in his sleep rather than risk a fight he could lose.

Not sure what Snoke having a "greater" weapon has to do with anything. That's what 30 years of technological advances affords you lol.

I don't need to debate Snoke/First Order vs. Palpatine/Empire. We don't have any verifiable feats or accolades to compare Snoke to the Emperor and we know, per official sources, that the First Order's military is "too small" to "rival" the Imperial Navy at its height {The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary}. One questioned is answered already and the other won't be for at least a few more years.

So when Palpatine challenges 4 on 1 and loses, he's weak. When Palpatine challenges 2 on 1 and wins, he's weak. When Maul doesn't challenge 3 on 1 and flees, he's strong.

I think you're just getting too emotional about this. There's no point in carrying on if we can't have an honest conversation. He made those statements before he lost three more limbs and the majority of his body was burned. He wasn't as powerful as he was pre injuries. Things change when you lose three limbs. He died after he saved his son. Palpatine was the one who went screaming because his fl couldn't stop a one armed cyborg from throwing him to his death.

That just shows he's cowardly but we don't know if Snoke had the opportunity for a one on one fight. If he turns out to be Plagueis who knows he might have even foreseen the attempt on his life and knew things had to play out this way.


Chewie was owning Stormtroopers with the same crossbow caster they used in rots. Star Wars really does not progress much. Snoke simply had a greater weapon in his employ.


Then you have no reason to not debate it after the trilogy completes. If it's such a given then accept.

Palpatine lost one on one. The guys Windu brought with him were weak. He had no choice and put himself in that situation by alerting Anakin of him being the Sith Lord.

He was not weak for beating maul and Opress he didn't show courage that's all. Nothing I said is unclear but what is clear you don't have the courage to argue a First Order under the command of Snoke against the imperial army under Palpatine. Do not act like Palpatine here and accept. You already said the result is clear so accept. You have years to prepare.