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Full out Iron Man easily he can fly has projectiles and targeting computer.

Without some kind plot device Iron Man murders them.

The OP made a mismatch. Because barring some kind of plot-device, or Tony being heavily gimped, he'd kill those two in short order.

Iron man wins, this isn't even a contest.

team prolly wins but will actually know after I see the film

If you put Tony in enclosed space, no flight, no repulsors, and it was hand to hand only, a debate could be made that the duo could knock him out with the shield and arm, otherwise they lose pretty quickly.

There not trying to kill each other.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
If you put Tony in enclosed space, no flight, no repulsors, and it was hand to hand only, a debate could be made that the duo could knock him out with the shield and arm, otherwise they lose pretty quickly.


which is why I'm gonna wait until the film comes out. it really makes no sense to speculate right now

Cap solos, his shield blocked the Bunkerbomb that destroyed two layers of reinforced concrete fine. Tony's long range options disappear fast and he has routinely had his ass handed to him up close by far less skilled opponents (Whiplers and Man Darron)

Neither of them are strong enough to hurt Ironman's suit inhand to hand fight.

Rhodes himself said he lifted a tank and carried it in Ultron.

Originally posted by golem370
Neither of them are strong enough to hurt Ironman's suit inhand to hand fight.


how do you know that???? have you seen the movie???

Originally posted by golem370
Rhodes himself said he lifted a tank and carried it in Ultron.


which means nothing since we never saw that

Team Winter Soldier wins.

They don't have a prayer. Iron Man has withstood worse then anything they could hit him with.

Cap tore apart Ultron drones, and Bucky's robot arm is stronger than Cap's human ones.

And? So did Iron Man. It's like people expect Tony to just stand there while Cap and Bucky try to take him out. Never mind Tony's durability >>> fodder Ultron bots.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
And? So did Iron Man. It's like people expect Tony to just stand there while Cap and Bucky try to take him out. Never mind Tony's durability >>> fodder Ultron bots.
Yep. Tony can tank firepower minigun and gatling gun even in his oldestvsuits and the falling apart suit in IM3 was bulletproof at 0% power while the bots went down with one well placed bullet. Heck I remember Haweye taking one out with a knife

Tony

Originally posted by golem370
Rhodes himself said he lifted a tank and carried it in Ultron.

That's okay, but it doesn't mean he could withstand numerous strikes from Cap's indestructible shield, backed up by his superhuman strength, with no damage.

If Spider-Man can take the shield from Cap Iron Man should If WS catch it when Cap threw it it Iron Man can eve deflect it. The first real Iron Man took tank hits slamming into a jet wing. Cap at best can keep him off balance.

Originally posted by golem370
If Spider-Man can take the shield from Cap Iron Man should If WS catch it when Cap threw it it Iron Man can eve deflect it. The first real Iron Man took tank hits slamming into a jet wing. Cap at best can keep him off balance.

all this is speculative on everyone's part... we won't know for sure until the film comes out though... I will laugh my ass of if Cap/Bucky beat Stark.... I will also laugh my ass off if Stark barely hits them..

but like I said I will wait until after I see the film to be sure of everything

The only way he would win is by pure PIS the only way.

I'd be cool with them winning if there is plot involved, as long as it actually makes sense within the narrative. And as long as the fight itself is pretty badass, and doesn't take up like less than 10 minutes of a 2 and a half hour movie named after said fight... and if someone gets hit with a sink, it better be from the kitchen this time.

Originally posted by golem370
They don't have a prayer. Iron Man has withstood worse then anything they could hit him with. False. Quit pretending the team doesn't win just because you hate them.

Originally posted by golem370
The only way he would win is by pure PIS the only way. So you won't accept it if it doesn't suit your biased opinion. Unbelievable.

Stark beats them. Iron Man had enough firepower to stop/kill a giant space creature even if was from the inside out if that doesn't prove who wins this fight you have no sense. Captain America almost got killed in a scene where Iron Man saved his ass from a man with a gun.

Originally posted by golem370
Stark beats them. Iron Man had enough firepower to stop/kill a giant space creature even if was from the inside out if that doesn't prove who wins this fight you have no sense. Captain America almost got killed in a scene where Iron Man saved his ass from a man with a gun. So you forget everything else that either characters has done and want to base everything off of this.


Wait in the film and we shall see, boy.

You forget that nothing Cap or WS in all their movies has a feat on that level even if you combine all of their feats togethet even in CW still wouldn't compare to that one feat.

Originally posted by golem370
You forget that nothing Cap or WS in all their movies has a feat on that level even if you combine all of their feats togethet even in CW still wouldn't compare to that one feat. I do not argue based off feats alone. That is ridiculous. That is one variable in this equation. You have to look at the others such as portrayals, what's in character and likely to occur. Cap's shield can tank anything Iron Man throws his way and Bucky has the firepower to damage his suit. Two opponents who can hurt him and badly. They have the skill, weaponry, and tactical acumen to do so.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. Quit pretending the team doesn't win just because you hate them.

Golem believes in power levels, nothing more.

WS doesn't the firepower Cap doesn't have the strength to damage the suit

Since there are no mention against it Iron Man calls on his Iron Legion and destroy Cap and WS

Originally posted by golem370
WS doesn't the firepower Cap doesn't have the strength to damage the suit Yes, they do. Quit lying. You're such a fanboy. Can't wait to see the film to have proof you're an idiot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, they do. Quit lying. You're such a fanboy. Can't wait to see the film to have proof you're an idiot.

One it is Captain America's title movie and Two PIS wins wouldn't count. Answer this for me who had a better showing in the first Avengers Iron Man or Captain America? Answer this could Captain America have killed a Leviathan? Answer this could Captain America jump start a turbine on a helicarrier and then withstand being struck by the blades of that helicarrier?

If it's outdoors then of course IM would win without PIS. They wouldn't even be able to reach him, and he'll just blast them away.

In a confined space however they can beat on him. Cap's shield gives them the means to do serious damage.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Golem believes in power levels, nothing more.


I believe in common sense

Originally posted by golem370
I believe in common sense You better believe in catching these hands, because you're about tom brother!

I like how golem thinks Cap and WS can match Doom, but would get destroyed by Iron-man.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I like how golem thinks Cap and WS can match Doom, but would get destroyed by Iron-man.


Doom is not a flier like Iron Man Doom doesn't have attack speed comparable to Cap. I think Iron Man could eventually stop Doom. Cap and WS lose to Iron Man specially if there is no stips to the fight.

Originally posted by golem370
One it is Captain America's title movie and Two PIS wins wouldn't count. Answer this for me who had a better showing in the first Avengers Iron Man or Captain America? Answer this could Captain America have killed a Leviathan? Answer this could Captain America jump start a turbine on a helicarrier and then withstand being struck by the blades of that helicarrier? This isn't the characters vs the leviathan or who can piss farther. It's who wins a fight. These two would win. Let's wait and see, sport. Pis is subjective and is a way fanboys can discount showings.

Now that you've all seen this (that's a spoiler alert warning for this thread from here on out):


LMAO at those fools who thought the duo wins!

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Now that you've all seen this (that's a spoiler alert warning for this thread from here on out):


LMAO at those fools who thought the duo wins!
They did win right? Of course they almost got killed and won only due to getting lucky and other circumstances plus Tony being already banged up, but still they won

Originally posted by quanchi112
This isn't the characters vs the leviathan or who can piss farther. It's who wins a fight. These two would win. Let's wait and see, sport. Pis is subjective and is a way fanboys can discount showings.

You comparing two characters against Iron Man I provided feats that they can't replicate plus Cap needed saving from Iron Man. Here is a scenario Stark flys in a 700mph carries him 35,000 feet drops him. Iron Man bombards WS with repulsor blasts sends the suit to Barnes and send it to space.

^ LMAO @ Quan attempting to bandwagon onto team Cap after already originally declaring his distaste for Cap and his non-interest in Civil War


Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
They did win right? Of course they almost got killed and won only due to getting lucky and other circumstances plus Tony being already banged up, but still they won


IM won first, but didn't finish it. And all that in a confined space. The OP here had no such stips. Out in the open, a full powered IM obviously destroys these 2.

Don't forget Cap shouting to WS to run for his life. And that all in Cap's own movie!

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Now that you've all seen this (that's a spoiler alert warning for this thread from here on out):


LMAO at those fools who thought the duo wins!

Best post is the one that claimed Cap solos an ungimped, fully powered Iron Man.

DP

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
The OP made a mismatch. Because barring some kind of plot-device, or Tony being heavily gimped, he'd kill those two in short order.

Cap and WS beat Ironman fair and square with absolutely zero plot devices. On top of this, Tony was bloodlusted, could fly and had all his abilities.

Team Cap and Bucky beat Team Stark in every fight.

Cap is on another level now. He was kicking cars and stopping helicopters from taking off.



Cap wins easily.

Tony Couldn't fly 100% He did have one of his booster's in one of the leg's suit damaged

To bad, Team Wins. Cap stomped Spiderman with ease as well

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Cap and WS beat Ironman fair and square with absolutely zero plot devices. On top of this, Tony was bloodlusted, could fly and had all his abilities.

Team Cap and Bucky beat Team Stark in every fight.

Cap is on another level now. He was kicking cars and stopping helicopters from taking off.



Cap wins easily.

Yes, he was angry, so he wanted to get up close and hurt Bucky, instead of fighting rationally. Tony doesn't fight at his best when angry/blooslusted. He fights at his best when he is thinking cleverly. Angrily engaging those two in melee is not thinking cleverly.

Also, the guy was banged up, and had his arm in a sling during the trip to the final battle and, judging from his "numb" comment (a common sign in dislocations), it was likely dislocated.

And this was in a tight space, where Bucky and Steve had the advantage of terrain.

And even then they barely won, and Bucky got maimed in the process, so no idea how you can claim the team wins every fight. Unless you are talking about the movie, where most of Cap's team actually ended up being captured, and the pair only getting away because Widow turned traitor?

Also confused by the "Cap wins easily" claim. Wins what easily?

And Tony did a car kick in his suitcase armour in IM2 already, so nothing new.

Cap wins just like he did in the movie..

His computer flat out told him he could not beat him

Quit looking for erroneous circumstances. Cap flat out beat his ass and thats all there is too it.

This is the Ironman that took on Thor.

Barley won

Nah, watch the movie again, Cap destroyed him.

Iron Man.
He 1 shots Bucky with his unibeam then smacks Cap.

To bad that didn't work for him when he actually fought Cap, and lost. Sorry might want to actually watch the movie from good seats..

He did one shot WS arm off but Cap>>>>>WS, and then his computer said he can't beat Cap. Or did you not watch the movie?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
To bad that didn't work for him when he actually fought Cap, and lost. Sorry might want to actually watch the movie from good seats..

He did one shot WS arm off but Cap>>>>>WS, and then his computer said he can't beat Cap. Or did you not watch the movie?
Stop talking shit.
Tony blasted Bucky's arm off with uni beam he then whooped Cap.
He held back on him since he was a friend.When Tony turned his back on him Cap attacked that's how he won.

You must have missed the part where the comp calculated Cap's movement and Tony kicked his ass.

Make me.

You didn't watch the movie cause Cap beat Ironman, so quit lying.

His computer said "You cannot beat him."

And then Cap went on to destroy him. Destroyed his reactor and walked away.

Cap won and wins again.

Deal with it

Yes, on his own, with his own pure H2H skill. Which is why the system then did a series of super fast calculations after which Tony said "Now let's kick his ass", after which he launched a very effective counteroffensive, which knocked Cap on his ass. Cap's pure H2H skill > Iron Man, but Iron Man's suit can heavily amp his H2H skills.

Again.

The comp calculated Cap's movement and Tony kicked his ass.IM stopped attacking Cap while he was on the ground.Then he turned his back on Rogers thats why he could win..

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yes, on his own, with his own pure H2H skill. Which is why the system then did a series of super fast calculations after which Tony said "Now let's kick his ass", after which he launched a very effective counteroffensive, which knocked Cap on his ass. Cap's pure H2H skill > Iron Man, but Iron Man's suit can heavily amp his H2H skills.

And then what happened, he got back up and wrecked Tony.

Originally posted by Estacado
Again.

The comp calculated Cap's movement and Tony kicked his ass.IM stopped attacking Cap while he was on the ground.Then he turned his back on Rogers thats why he could win..

To bad for him which is why he lost. And lost all his other fights against WS and Cap.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
And then what happened, he got back up and wrecked Tony.
Because Tony turned his back on him and didnt attack him while being down.

You act like phuckin Quan....

Originally posted by Estacado
Stop talking shit.

Look who's talking shit, you stupid hypocrite.

Be mad about it, Cap is made of flesh and bone and went toe to toe with Ironman and won.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yes, on his own, with his own pure H2H skill. Which is why the system then did a series of super fast calculations after which Tony said "Now let's kick his ass", after which he launched a very effective counteroffensive, which knocked Cap on his ass. Cap's pure H2H skill > Iron Man, but Iron Man's suit can heavily amp his H2H skills.

I agree but it still doesn't change Ironman got bested.

facepalm

Originally posted by Estacado
Stop talking shit.


http://t3chdad.com/smileys/double_facepalm.jpg

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
And then what happened, he got back up and wrecked Tony.

Yes, but did you miss the part where Winter Soldier managed to grab Stark's leg with his remaining arm, distracting him and leaving an opening, at a point where Tony had the clear advantage? Nevermind that Tony's focus, and the object of his malice, was WS. We even see him initially just trying to restrain Cap with those leg cuffs.

Fact is two-on-one, they barely pulled it off. But that is NOT any low showing. Any kind of win over Iron Man is leaps and bounds above anything the pair did in any of the previous films. As you pointed out, this is a guy who has managed to hold out against Thor.

Agree to disagree

Iron Man jobbed to Cap in this movie much like Hulk jobbed to Iron Man in AoU. I'm not happy about that. Iron Man SHOULD have won and won easily. That being said he obviously didn't want to kill Cap. His unibeam obliterating WS's arm is proof that if Tony "Wanted it, Cap'd be dead already".

Eh, I still maintain that the victory the two achieved, regardless of whatever other factors were at play, is still extremely impressive. I mean even in that scenario, how long would a pair of Khan or Ozy clones have lasted? This movie definitely cemented Cap, WS and also Black Panther as being above the rest in their general weight class.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Iron Man jobbed to Cap in this movie much like Hulk jobbed to Iron Man in AoU. I'm not happy about that. Iron Man SHOULD have won and won easily. That being said he obviously didn't want to kill Cap. His unibeam obliterating WS's arm is proof that if Tony "Wanted it, Cap'd be dead already".
Damn right you are

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
This movie definitely cemented Cap, WS and also Black Panther as being above the rest in their general weight class.


Dunno about that given Spidey pretty much stomped WS.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Eh, I still maintain that the victory the two achieved, regardless of whatever other factors were at play, is still extremely impressive. I mean even in that scenario, how long would a pair of Khan or Ozy clones have lasted? This movie definitely cemented Cap, WS and also Black Panther as being above the rest in their general weight class.
If the script wants them to they would last even longer and look even better

Yeah given that Spidey stomped WS, I just take Cap beating Spidey as, "Hey it's Cap's film, gotta give him more love in this one.."

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Dunno about that given Spidey pretty much stomped WS.

Well, Spiderman should be in the next weight class IMO. He should have at least edged Cap out as well, based purely on stats. I mean more like the Khan/Marv/Ozy/Wolverine etc. group of guys, seeing as some people were still arguing for them against Cap/WS prior to this film.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
If the script wants them to they would last even longer and look even better

Yes, but it would make for the absolute worst, most unbelievable and cringe-worthy fight ever.

Spidey vs Cap. Should have ended in Peter taking away his shield via webbing then 2 piecing Rogers.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, Spiderman should be in the next weight class IMO. He should have at least edged Cap out as well, based purely on stats. I mean more like the Khan/Marv/Ozy/Wolverine etc. group of guys, seeing as some people were still arguing for them against Cap/WS prior to this film.





Also to be fair, if there was ever a time for Cap to best Spidey, this was it, with Spidey being a 16 year old noob

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yes, but it would make for the absolute worst, most unbelievable and cringe-worthy fight ever.
The one in the movie proper currently is plenty cringe-worthy enough for many of us

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ LMAO @ Quan attempting to bandwagon onto team Cap after already originally declaring his distaste for Cap and his non-interest in Civil War





IM won first, but didn't finish it. And all that in a confined space. The OP here had no such stips. Out in the open, a full powered IM obviously destroys these 2.

Don't forget Cap shouting to WS to run for his life. And that all in Cap's own movie! Ws. I don't find Cap cool but I agree with his philosophy on this matter. Quit being so childish all the time. Told you what would happen. Suck it. Make mine marvel you DC loving loser.

Fights were superb but you love batman v. Superman which fell flat.

Originally posted by Estacado
Iron Man.
He 1 shots Bucky with his unibeam then smacks Cap. Film is accurate your silly fanboyism doesn't matter. Get mad.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
The one in the movie proper currently is plenty cringe-worthy enough for many of us

Well, I didn't have major issues with it personally, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I enjoyed Civil War for the story, so any inconsistencies in the fights, especially considering it being a Cap film, are minor to me, and really not worth getting overly upset about. The Russos did the best they could with making the fight what it was, given what they had to work with from the previous films.

I mean what would you have preferred? Tony pitching up to the final fight in his damaged up suit from the airport battle, despite not knowing what he might face when pursuing Cap/Bucky?

Nah. I would've preferred them to use some uber weaponry from the Russian HQ to wear Tony down and actually show considerable skill superiority to counter him. Equally a copout, but would need a lot less jobbing. Not just punching and kicking hm around till he falls apart

It would have been contrived if just the weapon they needed to win conveniently happened to be in this base, which I don't think would have been better in any way. And there were other plot elements involved as well. And he didn't exactly just fall apart.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yes, but did you miss the part where Winter Soldier managed to grab Stark's leg with his remaining arm, distracting him and leaving an opening, at a point where Tony had the clear advantage? Nevermind that Tony's focus, and the object of his malice, was WS. We even see him initially just trying to restrain Cap with those leg cuffs.

Fact is two-on-one, they barely pulled it off. But that is NOT any low showing. Any kind of win over Iron Man is leaps and bounds above anything the pair did in any of the previous films. As you pointed out, this is a guy who has managed to hold out against Thor.

He held up to Thor with a 400% amp.

Thor ended up crushing his hands.

Bucky almost pulled the reactor from his chest and Cap damaged it and shut it down. Which means his Arm strength >>>>Tony's armor strength.

As far as the other comment "well he can just uni beam Cap like he did Bucky."

One word: Shield.

In fact Tony did unlesh a full blast on Cap and it was negated by his shield.

Caps shield is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a million more>>>>>Buckys arm.

Guys, it's a Cap movie, of course he'll look good. Spiderman would absolutely destroy Cap with utter ease in a one v one fight. He's simply better in almost every single area.

I love how people claim Bucky and Cap are near equals. I've heard this time and time again when people give Bucky the win against people. Yet, WS was absolutely curbed with utter ease by spiderman. Yet, Cap did much better. So you guys can't have it both ways, either WS is not even really that close to Cap, or he is, and Cap beating Spiderman was blatant PIS. Well, it's blatant PIS anyways, but you'd then have to admit it.

As far as the last fight goes... against Blatant PIS and to not even be taken seriously imo. Based on IM feats from all his movies, he destroys them and easily. He's VASTLY stronger than both. He was almost at zero power and lifted a car easily and casually. he's tanking tank fire, plane fire and any number of things and been okay. Yet I'm supposed to believe Cap's punches could hurt him LMAO. Give me a break. You guys don't know PIS when you see it or what?

Lastly, even then IM won that fight. I love all the people claiming Cap beat IM... he did no such thing. He was staggered on the ground and at the mercy of IM. IM could have easily killed him in that sequence. He was on the ground and stunned. Instead of talking to Cap and asking him to stay down... he could've just continued to blast him and kill him. Then what? So because he's holding back.. gets distracted... and then Cap gains an advantage means Cap wins LMAO. Okay, sure. To say nothing of his suit was already damaged... he was damaged... and he wasn't fighting in the proper state of mind. Yet still in the end had them beat. What to know why IM wasn't fighting smart? Easy

Notice how he finally decides to have the computer study Cap's style... WTF... IM is a genius.. a super genius. Leagues ahead of Cap in intelligence. Yet, he decided to analyze his style after he's already taking a beating? Right... the unquestionably shows he wasn't fighting smart. Once he did that, he utterly curbed Cap.

Somebody explain to me how Cap wins if IM is fighting smart... not in a confined area.. suit is damaged as well as him. What does Cap do when Tony, thinking properly, instantly goes... figure out his fighting style like he should have. What then? Somebody please tell me

Cap/Bucky win...

Cap obviously solos as well

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Guys, it's a Cap movie, of course he'll look good. Spiderman would absolutely destroy Cap with utter ease in a one v one fight. He's simply better in almost every single area.

I love how people claim Bucky and Cap are near equals. I've heard this time and time again when people give Bucky the win against people. Yet, WS was absolutely curbed with utter ease by spiderman. Yet, Cap did much better. So you guys can't have it both ways, either WS is not even really that close to Cap, or he is, and Cap beating Spiderman was blatant PIS. Well, it's blatant PIS anyways, but you'd then have to admit it.

As far as the last fight goes... against Blatant PIS and to not even be taken seriously imo. Based on IM feats from all his movies, he destroys them and easily. He's VASTLY stronger than both. He was almost at zero power and lifted a car easily and casually. he's tanking tank fire, plane fire and any number of things and been okay. Yet I'm supposed to believe Cap's punches could hurt him LMAO. Give me a break. You guys don't know PIS when you see it or what?

Lastly, even then IM won that fight. I love all the people claiming Cap beat IM... he did no such thing. He was staggered on the ground and at the mercy of IM. IM could have easily killed him in that sequence. He was on the ground and stunned. Instead of talking to Cap and asking him to stay down... he could've just continued to blast him and kill him. Then what? So because he's holding back.. gets distracted... and then Cap gains an advantage means Cap wins LMAO. Okay, sure. To say nothing of his suit was already damaged... he was damaged... and he wasn't fighting in the proper state of mind. Yet still in the end had them beat. What to know why IM wasn't fighting smart? Easy

Notice how he finally decides to have the computer study Cap's style... WTF... IM is a genius.. a super genius. Leagues ahead of Cap in intelligence. Yet, he decided to analyze his style after he's already taking a beating? Right... the unquestionably shows he wasn't fighting smart. Once he did that, he utterly curbed Cap.

Somebody explain to me how Cap wins if IM is fighting smart... not in a confined area.. suit is damaged as well as him. What does Cap do when Tony, thinking properly, instantly goes... figure out his fighting style like he should have. What then? Somebody please tell me Quit living in your own dream world. Cap beat Spidey. Not enough experience. Bucky wasn't beat just webbed. Be accurate you tool.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He held up to Thor with a 400% amp.

Thor ended up crushing his hands.

Bucky almost pulled the reactor from his chest and Cap damaged it and shut it down. Which means his Arm strength >>>>Tony's armor strength.

As far as the other comment "well he can just uni beam Cap like he did Bucky."

One word: Shield.

In fact Tony did unlesh a full blast on Cap and it was negated by his shield.

Caps shield is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a million more>>>>>Buckys arm.

He was not amped for that entire fight. Also, extra power makes his systems run better. It does not spontaneously make the metal of his suit more durable. And nope. He did not crush Iron Man's "hands", he started crushing the wrist of one gauntlet, and got shot in the face IIRC.

Bucky tried, did some damage to the metal around it (but nothing that affected suit functionality), and then got his arm shot off. And he was physically straining hard. Rhodey and Tony have fired their repulsors directly at each other and sustained less damage from the resulting explosion. Iron Man also had an injured left arm in the Civil War final fight to boot, which would affect his ability to fully use his strength on that side too. So no idea where this >>>> is coming from.

Yes, because the shield helped him to not get hit every single time he actually did get hit in the film. Hell, when Tony grabbed his shield right at the end, instead of going for H2H, he could have unibeamed him right there. Cap was wide open. And please don't pretend that he wasn't, or Tony wouldn't even have landed an H2H hit.

I think the way the fight was done in Civil War was good. I don't have any complaints about how Cap and WS were able to keep up with IM. But that obviously was very dependent on a lot of circumstance.

If IM was going for the kill, he'd beat Cap and WS, though I'm sure the 2 would make him work a bit for it.

Yeah, I personally don't get why some people are having such big issues with it. Tony was physically injured, emotionally compromised, was fighting in an enclosed environment, and seemed less interested in seriously hurting Cap compared to getting him out of the way, so that he could go after Bucky (who in turn got messed up badly). Plus they both got an Amp for this movie. So, all things considered, I think the fight was reasonable within the context of the film.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, I personally don't get why some people are having such big issues with it. Tony was physically injured, emotionally compromised, was fighting in an enclosed environment, and seemed less interested in seriously hurting Cap compared to getting him out of the way, so that he could go after Bucky (who in turn got messed up badly). Plus they both got an Amp for this movie. So, all things considered, I think the fight was reasonable within the context of the film.

Yeah, I thought it was properly done. I have more issues with the Ironman vs. Thor fight. After all, the strength/power difference between IM and Thor should be as vast as the strength/power difference between Capand IM. But at least when Cap fought IM he had Bucky to help him out, plus IM was injured plus he was in a disadvantageous environment plus he chose to engage in h2h plus his systems were getting damaged.

There were no such circumstances in the Thor vs IM fight. Sure he had 400% power, but that's still no excuse for how long he lasted against Thor.

Originally posted by FrothByte
There were no such circumstances in the Thor vs IM fight. Sure he had 400% power, but that's still no excuse for how long he lasted against Thor.

Have you read Thor the Dark World Prelude? In that comic, Odin explained that harnessing Dark Energy was both dangerous to him and Thor. But it was mostly dangerous to Thor since he would end up dead if not done properly. The comic showed Thor was unconscious when he ended up on Earth. Its possible he wasn't fully recovered when he faced Ironman based on how Odin stated the dangers of harnessing Dark Energies.

It's simple, Iron-man fans have no problem when he fights guys that are out of his weight class, however they do have a problem when the roles are reversed.

Saying "Iron Man fans" in general is not exactly fair. I like Iron Man, but I didn't have any major issues with the final fight.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah, I thought it was properly done. I have more issues with the Ironman vs. Thor fight. After all, the strength/power difference between IM and Thor should be as vast as the strength/power difference between Capand IM. But at least when Cap fought IM he had Bucky to help him out, plus IM was injured plus he was in a disadvantageous environment plus he chose to engage in h2h plus his systems were getting damaged.

There were no such circumstances in the Thor vs IM fight. Sure he had 400% power, but that's still no excuse for how long he lasted against Thor.
You should be more worried about of Iron Man taking equal damage in his fight with Thor and Cap
Originally posted by Silent Master
It's simple, Iron-man fans have no problem when he fights guys that are out of his weight class, however they do have a problem when the roles are reversed.
Maybe many consider Iron Man more out of Cap's league than Thor being out of Iron Man's league. Also, Iron Man was more like a nuisance to Thor than a threat. The simple scenes of them exchanging headbutts should make that clear. Heck a double repulsor plus unibeam combination plus slam and grind to the cliff-side didn't even scratch Thor while Thor dented the armor with a headbutt. Not at all in the case of Cap vs Iron Man in Civil War

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Guys, it's a Cap movie, of course he'll look good. Spiderman would absolutely destroy Cap with utter ease in a one v one fight. He's simply better in almost every single area.

I love how people claim Bucky and Cap are near equals. I've heard this time and time again when people give Bucky the win against people. Yet, WS was absolutely curbed with utter ease by spiderman. Yet, Cap did much better. So you guys can't have it both ways, either WS is not even really that close to Cap, or he is, and Cap beating Spiderman was blatant PIS. Well, it's blatant PIS anyways, but you'd then have to admit it.





Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Somebody explain to me how Cap wins if IM is fighting smart... not in a confined area.. suit is damaged as well as him.

Even War Machine would trash Cap in that scenario.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He was not amped for that entire fight. Also, extra power makes his systems run better. It does not spontaneously make the metal of his suit more durable. And nope. He did not crush Iron Man's "hands", he started crushing the wrist of one gauntlet, and got shot in the face IIRC.

Bucky tried, did some damage to the metal around it (but nothing that affected suit functionality), and then got his arm shot off. And he was physically straining hard. Rhodey and Tony have fired their repulsors directly at each other and sustained less damage from the resulting explosion. Iron Man also had an injured left arm in the Civil War final fight to boot, which would affect his ability to fully use his strength on that side too. So no idea where this >>>> is coming from.

Yes, because the shield helped him to not get hit every single time he actually did get hit in the film. Hell, when Tony grabbed his shield right at the end, instead of going for H2H, he could have unibeamed him right there. Cap was wide open. And please don't pretend that he wasn't, or Tony wouldn't even have landed an H2H hit.

Ironman was amped the entire fight. This is undeniable.

I didn't say it made his suit more durable, you are not understanding. I said Thor crushed his hand, and Bucky's arm is >>>>Tonys armor strength.

The fact is his hand was penetrating the armor. It also held up to Vibranium claws.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi


I love how people claim Bucky and Cap are near equals. I've heard this time and time again when people give Bucky the win against people. Yet, WS was absolutely curbed with utter ease by spiderman. Yet, Cap did much better. So you guys can't have it both ways, either WS is not even really that close to Cap, or he is, and Cap beating Spiderman was blatant PIS. Well, it's blatant PIS anyways, but you'd then have to admit it.


Where did I say Bucky was Cap's equal? Please quote because that is not the case at all.

Cap>Spiderman>WS

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Saying "Iron Man fans" in general is not exactly fair. I like Iron Man, but I didn't have any major issues with the final fight.

Cap is above almost every single person besides Vision, Thor, Hulk and Wanda (hacks) now.

At this point I could see him kicking Loki's dumbass now.

Tony could prolly take Cap on a open battlefield but I doubt that even now as they already fought on one at the airport and he beat Spidermans ass. I just dont see him losing anymore, hes to fast, strong and agile and that shield can stop anything Ironman throws at him.

IM won until WS distracted him from finishing Cap. A WS who IM though was already down. And this all in an indoor scenario.

So in no way, shape or form was it even hinted Cap has a chance against IM 1 v 1.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Ironman was amped the entire fight. This is undeniable.

I didn't say it made his suit more durable, you are not understanding. I said Thor crushed his hand, and Bucky's arm is >>>>Tonys armor strength.

The fact is his hand was penetrating the armor. It also held up to Vibranium claws.

Yes, it is very much deniable, considering the first few blows of that fight occurred before Thor shot lightning at Tony, including Tony kicking Thor through a tree.

And I still do not see how Bucky being able to cause some superficial damage to Tony before getting his arm shot off means it is stronger than Tony's armour's strength levels. Even Bucky's attempt to crush his gauntlet didn't really do much, considering that repulsor was still working later on. All it means is that his arm is strong enough to damage the armour. Just like Tony is very much capable of hurting either Cap or Bucky.

Yet none of that stopped it getting blown off by a single unibeam blast.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
IM won until WS distracted him from finishing Cap. A WS who IM though was already down. And this all in an indoor scenario.

So in no way, shape or form was it even hinted Cap has a chance against IM 1 v 1. Oh please. Cap held back the entire time. Quit crying over the results I told ya so. Team Cap you pile of shit.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk

Maybe many consider Iron Man more out of Cap's league than Thor being out of Iron Man's league. Also, Iron Man was more like a nuisance to Thor than a threat. The simple scenes of them exchanging headbutts should make that clear. Heck a double repulsor plus unibeam combination plus slam and grind to the cliff-side didn't even scratch Thor while Thor dented the armor with a headbutt. Not at all in the case of Cap vs Iron Man in Civil War

Well they shouldn't. IM with regular armor should be at around 50 ton strength. Thor is class 100, Cap is around 1 ton. So the difference between Cap and IM is about as big as the difference between IM and Thor.

So Cap matching IM makes more sense since
1.) He had help (Bucky)
2.) IM really didn't want to hurt Cap. Was in fact actively trying to avoid fighting him till the very end
3.) The fight was in very enclosed quarters in the end where IM couldn't utilize his full arsenal
4.) IM was damaged, couldn't fly and was already previously injured

Compared to the Thor fight, we only have the excuse of IM at 400% and Thor pulling his punches.

What I'm trying to say is, Cap and Bucky's fight against IM made sense. A lot more sense than the way the IM vs. Thor fight was handled.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Maybe many consider Iron Man more out of Cap's league than Thor being out of Iron Man's league. Also, Iron Man was more like a nuisance to Thor than a threat. The simple scenes of them exchanging headbutts should make that clear. Heck a double repulsor plus unibeam combination plus slam and grind to the cliff-side didn't even scratch Thor while Thor dented the armor with a headbutt. Not at all in the case of Cap vs Iron Man in Civil War

Only based on feats, Thor is clearly further out of Iron-man's tier, thus Iron-man fanboys holding that opinion just backs up my comments re: It's ok when Iron-man does it to others, but not when it happens to Iron-man.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Well they shouldn't. IM with regular armor should be at around 50 ton strength. Thor is class 100, Cap is around 1 ton. So the difference between Cap and IM is about as big as the difference between IM and Thor.

So Cap matching IM makes more sense since
1.) He had help (Bucky)
2.) IM really didn't want to hurt Cap. Was in fact actively trying to avoid fighting him till the very end
3.) The fight was in very enclosed quarters in the end where IM couldn't utilize his full arsenal
4.) IM was damaged, couldn't fly and was already previously injured

Compared to the Thor fight, we only have the excuse of IM at 400% and Thor pulling his punches.

What I'm trying to say is, Cap and Bucky's fight against IM made sense. A lot more sense than the way the IM vs. Thor fight was handled.
I dunno where you're getting your figures from. If its from the comics, its blatantly wrong. In the comics, even the cave suit had 100 ton lifting feats. Other suits have feats in the billion ton range. Thor is planetary so billion tons isn't much, but saying Iron man is class 50 based on comics is wrong And if its the movies, Iron Man arguably has better on-screen lifting feats than Thor. Thor has better striking feats either byaffecting other characters more or with Mjolnir. Without Mjolnir, nope Thor is definitely much stronger than Iron Man, but not that strong that Iron Man's a gnat.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
I dunno where you're getting your figures from. If its from the comics, its blatantly wrong. In the comics, even the cave suit had 100 ton lifting feats. And if its the movies, Iron Man arguably has better on-screen lifting feats than Thor. Thor has better striking feats either against fighting other characters or with Mjolnir. Thor is definitely much stronger than Iron Man, but not that strong that Iron Man's a gnat.

Marvel directory lists IM at 50 tons. He can get up to 100 tons by augmenting and modifying his suit (Hulkbuster for example).

The Cave suit having 100 ton strength is just ridiculous. I'd like some proof of that if possible.

Now if you're basing these on movie feats, then Cap has multiple strength and striking feats that show he can hang in with IM for a bit of time. After all, we see him punching steel all the time. Heck he traded blows with Ultron. WS hit Cap multiple times in the face with his robo arm and Cap didn't even suffer a broken nose.

So if we're going by comics, Thor is as far apart from IM as IM is from Cap. But if we're going by movies, then the differences are much smaller and you can't really complain about Cap fighting IM because Cap has had multiple strength and durability feats in the previous movies to show he can hang in there for a bit.

50 tons for normal Iron Man? Thats odd, as his suit from the 80s was classed at the Class 75 level (and you figure his suits would have gotten alot stronger in the years since then).

Cap was trading blows with crappy Ultron.
The same Ultron got blown up by IM while Steve couldnt do any damage to it.

IM should be able to easily catch Bucky's arm just as Spider-man did.in a non pis fight.

You're both using different interpretation of the cl system. FrothByte is using it as a general tier system, whereas HulkIsHulk is using it as in how much they can literally lift.

Is it Cap strength that keeps him fight against the odds or is it his durability, stamina, will, & healing?

Basically in an indoor scenario it's 50/50 for IM vs Cap+Bucky. But outdoors IM wins against the duo pretty much every time. The film makes that pretty clear.

The Cap fans ( and the Cap hater whose jumped Wagon onto Cap ) need to stop arguing Cap can do better with baseless claims/assumptions. Your favorite character isn't automatically more powerful because you like him more.

Originally posted by Estacado
Cap was trading blows with crappy Ultron.
The same Ultron got blown up by IM while Steve couldnt do any damage to it.

IM should be able to easily catch Bucky's arm just as Spider-man did.in a non pis fight. IM is strong enough to catch his arm, he just isn't fast enough.

Spiderman is faster in hth fighting than IM is in the movies.

That true.

Anyways if Tony is in you killed my mom mode he unibeams a hole into Bucky.

Well since the thread starter did make stipulations, Tony could bring in the Iron Legion and have them take them out.

Shut up

The Thor Vs Ironman fight has circumstances on it. Thor wasn't really 100% in that fight as he would've still been affected by the Dark Energies harnessed by Odin. Odin himself was KO harnessing Dark Energies to send Thor to Earth.

VXGk1DTVh-s

If anyone is wondering if this is canon to MCU, it is. So stop using the Thor Vs Ironman fight as to why Ironman would beat Cap and WS. Ironman would've been torn to shreds if Thor used an F5 hurricane on him. But Thor was weakened by the Dark Energy journey.

^ Thor's not needed to prove anything. All the MCU films to date that feature IM/Cap/WS (including Civil War) are more than enough proof IM is simply above Cap and WS.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Basically in an indoor scenario it's 50/50 for IM vs Cap+Bucky. But outdoors IM wins against the duo pretty much every time. The film makes that pretty clear.

The Cap fans ( and the Cap hater whose jumped Wagon onto Cap ) need to stop arguing Cap can do better with baseless claims/assumptions. Your favorite character isn't automatically more powerful because you like him more. Cap isn't my favorite I'm a WS guy. You're clearly biased. You're ignoring this fight which made it clear. Iron Man is more powerful whereas these two are clearly more skilled combatants. The movie made it clear. Bucky and Steve ftw. Don't be salty I was right about the outcome, loser.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Thor's not needed to prove anything. All the MCU films to date that feature IM/Cap/WS (including Civil War) are more than enough proof IM is simply above Cap and WS.


Stark still lost though

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Stark still lost though

Only due to a lot of circumstance. It wasn't a straight up fight after all.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Stark still lost though


Nah WS lost first, and the Cap lost. Fair and Square. Bucky's distraction by waking up and grabbing IM's leg only happened because of the confined space and because IM didn't finish Cap and Bucky off.


Context!


But hey if you want to ignore context and simply look at the end result, then that's cool, because that means IM stomped Hulk

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah WS lost first, and the Cap lost. Fair and Square. Bucky's distraction by waking up and grabbing IM's leg only happened because of the confined space and because IM didn't finish Cap and Bucky off.


Context!


But hey if you want to ignore context and simply look at the end result, then that's cool, because that means IM stomped Hulk
That makes it even better for him
∵Cap stomped Iron Man + Iron Man stomped Hulk
==> Cap>>>>>>Hulk

This is a silly thread.

Cap was fighting an Ironman that was clearly not fighting to his fullest. He didn't want to hurt Cap and was clearly enraged against Bucky.

IM didn't even break out his most advanced weaponry during the fight most likely because he was too afraid of injuring Cap due to guidance system malfunctions.

Don't get me wrong Cap did amazing against Tony. They clearly buffed him up even more for this fight.

^ Yep.

I stand by that in an outdoor setting War Machine taking these 2. I mean they can't touch him for one. And even if they do he can tank a lot. Whilst he'll be shooting machine gun fire, rockets, missiles, repulsors down on the ground all day.

Doesn't even need to be an outdoor setting. As long as it's not a completely cramped space and IM/Warmachine are allowed to use lethal force then they should be able to win it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's okay, but it doesn't mean he could withstand numerous strikes from Cap's indestructible shield, backed up by his superhuman strength, with no damage. He might not need to. As we saw with Tony, the armor can literally download Cap's fighting style and then react and respond accordingly. If Rhody can do that, he'll never get hit by the shield and certainly has the means to grab it out the air much like Bucky did in WS.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Only due to a lot of circumstance. It wasn't a straight up fight after all.

a loss is still a loss....


Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah WS lost first, and the Cap lost. Fair and Square. Bucky's distraction by waking up and grabbing IM's leg only happened because of the confined space and because IM didn't finish Cap and Bucky off.


Context!


But hey if you want to ignore context and simply look at the end result, then that's cool, because that means IM stomped Hulk


thanks for the laughs... OKAY Quan, I see you using the "context" aargument.. Use the oscreen feats instead... When they fought at thr airport Tony bearly put a scratch on Cap... Now the closed space. Clearly things are lost in transition as well as translation for you since Cap and Bucky are a team and they work well together. Despite Tony being bloodlusted he still lost fair and square. remember Cap's own words "I can do all day".. Also you must have forgotten how Cap destroyed the ARC reactor.. Its a clear win for team Cap... Team Iron Man lost and that needs to be accepted . ahhahahahahzhahahahahahahaha... I've no idea where the ignorant stuff about Stark beating Huilk comes from and when exactly have I said that? please find the link and quote me...

hahahahahahahahahahaha..

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
a loss is still a loss....


So IM beat Hulk then right? Because a loss is a loss. Context be damned right?





Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
thanks for the laughs... OKAY Quan, I see you using the "context" aargument..

You're the one actually agreeing with Quan's trolling on this

I get everyone has a favorite between IM and Cap, but you should be able to have a favorite without going all fanboy saying "he's the most powerful because he's my favorite!"


Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Use the oscreen feats instead...

And what feat does Cap have that puts him above IM in any category?


Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
When they fought at thr airport Tony bearly put a scratch on Cap...


And what effective blow did Cap land on IM at the airport?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Now the closed space. Clearly things are lost in transition as well as translation for you since Cap and Bucky are a team and they work well together.


Yeah they did have effective teamwork:

Cap: "Bucky RUN!"

lmao They both knew they were outgunned.



Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Despite Tony being bloodlusted he still lost fair and square.


Bloodlusted against Cap? LMAO

If he was bloodlusted against Cap then he would have shot down multiple missiles and rockets when he was flying up to chase Bucky. Would have avalanched Cap in.

Also how did he lose "fair and square" to Cap when he's the one who had Cap beat until Bucky distracted him? A Bucky who would be dead if IM had really wanted.


Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
remember Cap's own words "I can do all day"..


Have you not seen the first Cap movie? He only says that when he's losing. It's a show of his spirit that he'll keep fighting even though he's getting badly beaten.



Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Also you must have forgotten how Cap destroyed the ARC reactor.. Its a clear win for team Cap... Team Iron Man lost and that needs to be accepted . ahhahahahahzhahahahahahahaha... I've no idea where the ignorant stuff about Stark beating Huilk comes from and when exactly have I said that? please find the link and quote me...

hahahahahahahahahahaha..


It comes from your own logic. If only the result counts, then who cares if Hulk was distracted, IM KO'd him fair and square right?

Originally posted by Darth Thor


I get everyone has a favorite between IM and Cap, but you should be able to have a favorite without going all fanboy saying "he's the most powerful because he's my favorite!"


Then again, he could be trolling so who knows

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk

Then again, he could be trolling so who knows



Probably. He did say "Cap obviously solos" on page 5.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Basically in an indoor scenario it's 50/50 for IM vs Cap+Bucky. But outdoors IM wins against the duo pretty much every time. The film makes that pretty clear.

The Cap fans ( and the Cap hater whose jumped Wagon onto Cap ) need to stop arguing Cap can do better with baseless claims/assumptions. Your favorite character isn't automatically more powerful because you like him more.

Even indoors he still won. Think about it, a Tony not compromised mentally, IMMEDIATLY has his computer study Caps style and destroys him. Why didn't he do that from the jump? He's a genius, and hyper genius. He wouldn't already had his computer studying Cap's moves long before the fight. He has ample video of him in combat and knows his style very well. Even if he waited till the fight, cool, he would've initiated that right away. He didn't. Which is CIS and blatant PIS. Once he did, he dominated. He had Cap down, and stunned. An IM going for the kill blasts him over and over. Instead he started to monologue. Again CIS or PIS, take your pick. Point is, even in an enclosed area, IM still wins.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Where did I say Bucky was Cap's equal? Please quote because that is not the case at all.

Cap>Spiderman>WS



Cap is above almost every single person besides Vision, Thor, Hulk and Wanda (hacks) now.

At this point I could see him kicking Loki's dumbass now.

Tony could prolly take Cap on a open battlefield but I doubt that even now as they already fought on one at the airport and he beat Spidermans ass. I just dont see him losing anymore, hes to fast, strong and agile and that shield can stop anything Ironman throws at him.

I wasn't saying you specifically. I was saying many people, over many threads have compared Bucky to Cap, and considers them virtually equals. They aren't, not even close really. This argument was used over and over in the Ozy vs. Bucky thread. How Cap can beat Ozy, and since Bucky's is near Cap, he can do. Only he's not near Cap. This has been explicitly shown in combat over and over. Cap has beaten him at least 2 times now, and likely 3 considering one was a partial fight. Cap did much better against Black Panther than Bucky. Cap did much better against Spiderman than Bucky. Every single combat showing points to Cap being decisively above Bucky.

Originally posted by Newjak
This is a silly thread.

Cap was fighting an Ironman that was clearly not fighting to his fullest. He didn't want to hurt Cap and was clearly enraged against Bucky.

IM didn't even break out his most advanced weaponry during the fight most likely because he was too afraid of injuring Cap due to guidance system malfunctions.

Don't get me wrong Cap did amazing against Tony. They clearly buffed him up even more for this fight.

Of course, yet you still have people thinking Cap is greater than IM in a fight, which couldn't be further from the truth. IM going all out, mean Cap gets destroyed in ANY AREA. He wasn't close to going all out.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I wasn't saying you specifically. I was saying many people, over many threads have compared Bucky to Cap, and considers them virtually equals. They aren't, not even close really. This argument was used over and over in the Ozy vs. Bucky thread. How Cap can beat Ozy, and since Bucky's is near Cap, he can do. Only he's not near Cap. This has been explicitly shown in combat over and over. Cap has beaten him at least 2 times now, and likely 3 considering one was a partial fight. Cap did much better against Black Panther than Bucky. Cap did much better against Spiderman than Bucky. Every single combat showing points to Cap being decisively above Bucky.

Except when Cap fought Spiderman and BP he had his shield. WS was completely unarmed. Cap has more skill than Bucky it seems, but they really wouldn't be that far apart in terms of physical stats since their fights have always been close.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I wasn't saying you specifically. I was saying many people, over many threads have compared Bucky to Cap, and considers them virtually equals. They aren't, not even close really. This argument was used over and over in the Ozy vs. Bucky thread. How Cap can beat Ozy, and since Bucky's is near Cap, he can do. Only he's not near Cap. This has been explicitly shown in combat over and over. Cap has beaten him at least 2 times now, and likely 3 considering one was a partial fight. Cap did much better against Black Panther than Bucky. Cap did much better against Spiderman than Bucky. Every single combat showing points to Cap being decisively above Bucky.



True, but he never stomped WS the way Spider-Man did. And nor did Black Panther for that matter.

How vital was Iron Man in the first Avengers 1.Kept the Hellicarrier in the air 2.Saved New York city from being blown to bits 3.Stopping the aliens on earth 4.Helped each team member during the battle in New York city 5.Help find the tesseract

Originally posted by FrothByte
Except when Cap fought Spiderman and BP he had his shield. WS was completely unarmed. Cap has more skill than Bucky it seems, but they really wouldn't be that far apart in terms of physical stats since their fights have always been close. Exactly. We see WS and Cap fight as peers far too many times. WS also needs to be armed with a blade or gun. He's fantastic with them. WS, BP, Cap are all peers. Take a look at their scenes in the films. Hell for the most part every hero was trying to take down WS earlier on and that doesn't even get factored in. Imagine being jumped and pursued by peers and continuously shrugging it off and breaking free.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
True, but he never stomped WS the way Spider-Man did. And nor did Black Panther for that matter. Spiderman never defeated WS. For ****s sake it was a back and forth battle with various heroes turning the tide in a back and forth. You are a troll.

Originally posted by golem370
How vital was Iron Man in the first Avengers 1.Kept the Hellicarrier in the air



Yeah whilst Cap couldn't take a couple of guys with machine guns. Needed IM to intervene.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah whilst Cap couldn't take a couple of guys with machine guns. Needed IM to intervene. None of that is relevant to a team vs Iron man fight. Try to reference relevant points to this thread. Don't be butthurt over the end result. Told you so, dummy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
None of that is relevant to a team vs Iron man fight. Try to reference relevant points to this thread. Don't be butthurt over the end result. Told you so, dummy.

You keep up your pointless fanboy crusade.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Spiderman never defeated WS. For ****s sake it was a back and forth battle with various heroes turning the tide in a back and forth. You are a troll.
Yeah, he was webbed up like this and he's not yet beat. Quan logic again:
http://postimg.org/image/h6yf3n3up/

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Yeah, he was webbed up like this and he's not yet beat. Quan logic again:
http://postimg.org/image/h6yf3n3up/ Did he stay down ? Was he ko'd ? Do you realize how the fight worked with multiple heroes putting the other in precarious situations until other heroes came to their aid in a game of back and forth. When Spiderman took caps shield did he get it back the mk,net he wanted to by the aid of his friends ?

^ LMAO


Not to mention how he casually caught his bionic arm, chatting away and simultaneously fighting off Falcon. Yeah it was a stomp.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ LMAO


Not to mention how he casually caught his bionic arm, chatting away and simultaneously fighting off Falcon. Yeah it was a stomp. So ? He's quite formidable and he casually talks his way through fights that in no way changes how he fights. He's strong just as WS is. WS took on various heroes in an effect to escape himself that doesn't mean he's greater than them all he's just difficult to bring down. He was in no manner defeated. Continue to exaggerate a webbing all you want but the WS wasn't brought in.

TIL: Spider-Man didn't outclass WS and Falcon and WS is just as strong as Spider-Man apparently

(I swear, quano probably didn't even watch the film, he's going off crappy Youtube blurry cam snippets)

For what it's worth, I believe the reason why Cap did much better than WS against Spidey is fighting style. WS fights like a blitzkrieg: strong, fast and brutal attacks. Unfortunately for WS, Spidey was a lot stronger and looked faster as well.

Cap fights with more technique and strategy. He uses moves that aren't straightforward and hit at different angles. He strings together combination of attacks and uses a lot of agile moves. Above all, he seems to use a lot more strategy and leverage than Bucky. That's how he overpowered Bucky's arm in their fight before.

Anyway, strategy, leverage and technique was what got him the win over Spidey.


Just putting that out there.

According to Quan logic though, Cap didn't defeat Spiderman, since ya know.. he didn't put him down or capture him.

Originally posted by Robtard
TIL: Spider-Man didn't outclass WS and Falcon and WS is just as strong as Spider-Man apparently

(I swear, quano probably didn't even watch the film, he's going off crappy Youtube blurry cam snippets) He webbed him he didn't defeat him. There is a clear difference. Did WS break free ? Did multiple heroes in a massive hero vs fight help the others ? I welcome anyone to challenge me on this. I'll be here with common sense and reason not selective reasoning and hypocrisy.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
According to Quan logic though, Cap didn't defeat Spiderman, since ya know.. he didn't put him down or capture him. I myself favor Cap over Spiderman feel free to disagree.

Originally posted by FrothByte
For what it's worth, I believe the reason why Cap did much better than WS against Spidey is fighting style. WS fights like a blitzkrieg: strong, fast and brutal attacks. Unfortunately for WS, Spidey was a lot stronger and looked faster as well.

Cap fights with more technique and strategy. He uses moves that aren't straightforward and hit at different angles. He strings together combination of attacks and uses a lot of agile moves. Above all, he seems to use a lot more strategy and leverage than Bucky. That's how he overpowered Bucky's arm in their fight before.

Anyway, strategy, leverage and technique was what got him the win over Spidey.


Just putting that out there.

Exactly, Cap's not faster, stronger or more agile than SM, he's far more experienced, a superior combatant and tactician, compared to the kid who's had powers and been crime-fighting for all of six months.