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Based on feats, Cap easily...

Should be Luke > Jones > Cap.

Based on feats it's Cap > Luke > Jones but Jones gets a definite upgrade in Defenders. Or Cage gets a downgrade. It's hard to differentiate.

Cagr has only one feat above cap and thats blocking a car with his bare hands

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Cagr has only one feat above cap and thats blocking a car with his bare hands

How about stopping a helicopter from taking off. And holding a car from falling off a bridge?

I personally think Luke edges Cap a bit. Feats like crushing a steel dumpster, stopping a speeding SUV, and casually shouldering and carrying a piece of concrete that can easily weigh more than a small car are pretty solid feats, just to name a few. Luke also does a lot of his feats fairly easily.

Jessica got her best strength feat to date in Defenders but, based on direct showings against each other, Luke > Jessica in strength. Even the actors themselves have stated in interviews that Luke is stronger than Jessica, which just supports what we have seen onscreen when they've had to match strength under serious circumstances.

They just didn't give Luke that much to do, physically, in Defenders. He smashed through a few walls and obstacles, lifted a few things, and bent a few things, but they put a lot more focus on Danny and Matt. It also doesn't help that Luke holds back all the time. It was mentioned in his own show, and brought up again in Defenders, during a conversation with Stick. Stick still told him that he could be far more formidable and dangerous if he cut loose, but Luke wasn't interested.

Either way, they are all in the same overall ballpark.

Cage is stronger than Jessica who is stronger than Cap. Cap can't do something like this.

https://s6.postimg.org/6vys63lv5/Cage.gif

Originally posted by Sable
How about stopping a helicopter from taking off. And holding a car from falling off a bridge? you think cap could stop a truck dead in its tracks like that

Originally posted by abhilegend
Cage is stronger than Jessica who is stronger than Cap. Cap can't do something like this.

https://s6.postimg.org/6vys63lv5/Cage.gif

Push Jessica back? Bullshit of coarse he could.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
you think cap could stop a truck dead in its tracks like that Yeah agreed. It would knock the shit out of him.

Jones also struggled to stop a vehicle if I remember correctly. It was slowed to a crawl and dragging her forward. Cap would have likely stopped it a bit easier.

I'd say Luke > Cap> Jones

Jones pushed a car into Elektra and Cage budged one as well with their fight with the Hand fingers.

Cap kicked a large military truck out of the way, and?

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Also remember in Agents of Shield Gunn from Angel(I forget his name in the show) was doing that obstacle course and moving bulldozers and stuff and said he had not beaten Caps best time at those things.

Yeah, it was offscreen, but Dethlok asked Coulson if his time pushing a bulldozer was close to Cap's. Coulson said not even close.

Was actually another random SHIELD instructor. Not Coulson. And that feat is a ridiculous outlier that's completely inconsistent with his onscreen showings. If we use that feat then yes, Cap is stronger, but that feat is so out there compared to everything else that it throws off not just Cap's other feats, but feats for characters he's fought as well, and even the durability of certain inanimate objects.

No reason to assume he can't. Why would you think he can't. Pushing a tractor is different then fighting.

Originally posted by Sable
No reason to assume he can't. Why would you think he can't. Pushing a tractor is different then fighting.

It wasn't a tractor. It was a 40+ ton bulldozer (I researched the make and model online), with treads digging into the grass and creating more resistance as Mike was pushing it. None of Cap's actual onscreen feats suggest that he could replicate what Mike did in a notably shorter time frame.

Luke then Jessica then Cap

Note: These shows are highly inconsistent. Jessica has casually broken some shit that takes LARGE amounts of force to do. But in other scenes, she struggles with humans. If you translate the strength needed to casually break the shit she breaks then she would be able to kill a human with a smack.

The problem in fiction is that writers do not know how much force shit takes. That's why we get gross contradictions.

We should look at average showings, not highest ones.

Cap > Luke > Jessica

Originally posted by Sable
Push Jessica back? Bullshit of coarse he could.
He was simply walking and pushing her back. Cap can't even stop Bucky from doing so.

Because Bucky is stronger then Jess.

Originally posted by Sable
Cap kicked a large military truck out of the way, and?

gVHa8PUYyJY Large military vehicle? It's a modified and beat up 2 door pickup truck with a small bed. Nowhere near a HMMWV. Plus, he only kicked it like 2 feet, and only one end moved. It's not like he sent the entire thing careening.

I dont recall saying it was a HMMWV, but have no doubts he could kick one of those out of the way.

Originally posted by h1a8
Luke then Jessica then Cap

Note: These shows are highly inconsistent. Jessica has casually broken some shit that takes LARGE amounts of force to do. But in other scenes, she struggles with humans. If you translate the strength needed to casually break the shit she breaks then she would be able to kill a human with a smack.

Laughable if anything its Luke>Cap>Jess

Originally posted by Sable
I dont recall saying it was a HMMWV, but have no doubts he could kick one of those out of the way. No, I was using HMMWV as a point of reference. A HMMWV is a standard military vehicle. It's not even one of the larger military vehicles, and that pick up truck is nowhere near it.

Originally posted by Sable
Laughable if anything its Luke>Cap>Jess Agreed.

Before Defenders I would have said Luke>Cap>Jess.

But with the new showings it's Luke>Jess>Cap although some of Cap's higher showings could put him above Jessica.

By all means list Jessicas strength feats that are above Rogers.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Cap > Luke > Jessica

Luke is significantly stronger than Cap.

Originally posted by Sable
By all means list Jessicas strength feats that are above Rogers. I'll list one. Casually (without any strain) breaking shit that takes huge amounts of force to do.

Would actually be interesting to compare the numbers between the helicopter curl and the elevator catch. Both were holding onto the object with one hand while gripping something else to anchor themselves with their free hand. And one of those construction elevators can be pretty damn heavy. Likely a few tons.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Would actually be interesting to compare the numbers between the helicopter curl and the elevator catch. Both were holding onto the object with one hand while gripping something else to anchor themselves with their free hand. And one of those construction elevators can be pretty damn heavy. Likely a few tons.

Copter curl, I hear is around 3k+ lbs single arm bicep curl.

Elevator lift is around the same, maybe a bit more weight to it (1.5k kilograms elevator plus Danny and Luke's weight). But JJ used both hands and simply supported the weight from what I can see (granted it is dark and I'm watching it from my tiny Ipad right now).

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Copter curl, I hear is around 3k+ lbs single arm bicep curl.

Elevator lift is around the same, maybe a bit more weight to it (1.5k kilograms elevator plus Danny and Luke's weight). But JJ used both hands and simply supported the weight from what I can see (granted it is dark and I'm watching it from my tiny Ipad right now).

What I remember is the cable snapping and her jumping, the lift dropping a little bit, and then stopping. Then, when Danny and Luke look up, they see her standing on the one platform thing a bit higher, holding onto the railing with one hand, and holding the cable attached to the elevator with the other hand. Which is actually pretty beastly. She literally had only an instant to jump, land, get a grip to anchor herself, and catch the cable of the falling lift. They definitely beefed her up in Defenders.

Are we sure she wan't flying?

Looking at it now. It's dark af but I am almost certain it is with both hands. But again dark af so i could be mistaken.

We know she has talked about sort of flying before and we know she can fly. I thought they might have given her that feat at the end.

Originally posted by Sable
Are we sure she wan't flying?

Would actually be pretty cool if she was, but no. Jessica seems to have the potential for flight, but she has no idea how to use it properly, so she ends up doing kind of Hulk-like super leaps (though obviously nowhere near as powerful as his leaps) because of it.

I just rewatched the scene. Her feet were on the rungs of the same support scaffolding thing she was holding onto with her one hand, her other hand holding onto the cable. It is hard to see because of the shit camera angle though. You can clearly see the one hand holding it, but the other one is out of shot. Could be both, but I can't verify. I would put that lift at over 1.5 tons though. That thing looks like it is solid metal, and it's not exactly small.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Would actually be pretty cool if she was, but no. Jessica seems to have the potential for flight, but she has no idea how to use it properly, so she ends up doing kind of Hulk-like super leaps (though obviously nowhere near as powerful as his leaps) because of it.

I just rewatched the scene. Her feet were on the rungs of the same support scaffolding thing she was holding onto with her one hand, her other hand holding onto the cable. It is hard to see because of the shit camera angle though. You can clearly see the one hand holding it, but the other one is out of shot. Could be both, but I can't verify. I would put that lift at over 1.5 tons though. That thing looks like it is solid metal, and it's not exactly small.

Looking at the scene again. If you look closely her left hand is visibly holding the cable throughout the time she was holding it up. But if you wait and watch as she lets go, you can definitely see her right hand come up into the shot. So it really looks like 2 hands to me.

Again, it is dark af and has crappy camera angles, but it looks like 2 hands to me (I am not certain tho and can def be mistaken here).

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Looking at the scene again. If you look closely her left hand is visibly holding the cable throughout the time she was holding it up. But if you wait and watch as she lets go, you can definitely see her right hand come up into the shot. So it really looks like 2 hands to me.

Again, it is dark af and has crappy camera angles, but it looks like 2 hands to me (I am not certain tho and can def be mistaken here).

Yeah, that's what I mean. In the first shot, based on her body position, it looks like she is hanging off that support with two feet and a hand, and her other hand holding the cable. Later, it kind of looks like she releases with both hands. But the thing that bugs me is that her position makes no sense if she is just anchored by her feet. They aren't really wrapped/hooked around anything, so it's an extremely flimsy base. If she grabbed the cable with both hands her strength wouldn't have mattered. She still doesn't weigh that much. She would have overbalanced and dropped, along with the lift. It's a really weird scene now that I look at it in more detail.

Unless she managed to hook her one arm around something before grabbing the cable. We only really see her hands when she releases. So, then it would explain her positioning and seeing both hands in the shot where she releases it.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, that's what I mean. In the first shot, based on her body position, it looks like she is hanging off that support with two feet and a hand, and her other hand holding the cable. Later, it kind of looks like she releases with both hands. But the thing that bugs me is that her position makes no sense if she is just anchored by her feet. They aren't really wrapped/hooked around anything, so it's an extremely flimsy base. If she grabbed the cable with both hands her strength wouldn't have mattered. She still doesn't weigh that much. She would have overbalanced and dropped, along with the lift. It's a really weird scene now that I look at it in more detail.

Unless she managed to hook her one arm around something before grabbing the cable. We only really see her hands when she releases. So, then it would explain her positioning and seeing both hands in the shot where she releases it.

Physics really isn't too precise in fiction. Nor does it need to be. It looks like they were portaying her bracing against the ledge and keeping it up with both hands. The shot might not be clear but as soon as she lets go, we can clearly see her right hand come up, not down. If she had been grabbing onto something or had it hooked, it would have fallen to her side. I don't think they were too concerned about forum goers breaking down the "feat" for its accuracy.

The shot itself is misleading as her constant glancing over her shoulder makes it look like she's holding onto something but the part where she lets go seems to clearly prove otherwise.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Physics really isn't too precise in fiction. Nor does it need to be. It looks like they were portaying her bracing against the ledge and keeping it up with both hands. The shot might not be clear but as soon as she lets go, we can clearly see her right hand come up, not down. If she had been grabbing onto something or had it hooked, it would have fallen to her side. I don't think they were too concerned about forum goers breaking down the "feat" for its accuracy.

The shot itself is misleading as her constant glancing over her shoulder makes it look like she's holding onto something but the part where she lets go seems to clearly prove otherwise.

Well, if she was using both hands (which I can't disprove), she has boots worthy of Spiderman.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, if she was using both hands (which I can't disprove), she has boots worthy of Spiderman.

Well, Cap being able to not get thrown back when a 10-tonner yanked him (who has actual sticky spider powers) means that this seems to be a common trait for boots in the MCU.

Captain America = Luke Cage = Jessica Jones.

People site the SUV feat but have we forgotten that Steve flipped his bike and threw it with such force that it not only stopped a more accelerated Jeep IIRC but caved in the entire engine block like it was clay. He threw his massive Harley Davidson like a goddamn missile from a stop.

And Luke pushing back Jessica? Bucky threw the shield from across a rooftop with such force that Steve slid back. FYI, a throw from Bucky had half the shield easily cut through a Van etc. Or Steve flipping over and pulling away freaking Spider-Man.

Feats are being listed that Steve could replicate no problem. And that ranking is being generous. Steve was hurting and hanging in hand to hand with Iron Man and War Machine. Either of those two have durability and strength greater than Jessica Jones/Luke Cage combined. Many times over depending on the Armor.

When did Cap ever physically match strength with War Machine? Also, the moment Iron Man countered Steve's skill advantage, he beat him bloody and floored in seconds. And that suit has zero feats to suggest that it is stronger than Jess and Luke put together. In terms of durability, Jess and Luke actually have better durability than some of Tony's armours, such as the one from IM3, seeing as they've both handled an impact with a truck better than it did.

Originally posted by Sable
By all means list Jessicas strength feats that are above Rogers. Bending a steel chair like a pretzel is certainly above quite a few of Cap's feats, so is the elevator lift.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
When did Cap ever physically match strength with War Machine? Also, the moment Iron Man countered Steve's skill advantage, he beat him bloody and floored in seconds. And that suit has zero feats to suggest that it is stronger than Jess and Luke put together. In terms of durability, Jess and Luke actually have better durability than some of Tony's armours, such as the one from IM3, seeing as they've both handled an impact with a truck better than it did. The armor didn't get damaged when the truck hit it, it came apart because that's what it's designed to do.

Luke may have better feats anyway, but that's not a good example to show it.

Those suits can disassemble, but they aren't meant to just fall apart on impact.

Log split feat is top feat for Rogers according to Film Theorist's calculations.

However, again, haven't finished Defenders, and I'm reading some beastly feats for Jessica and seen some already for Luke.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Those suits can disassemble, but they aren't meant to just fall apart on impact. Yes, they are.

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We know the armors can take better, using for example the Malibu mansion attack, so you would have to prove the armor was damaged by the truck.

Cap. Abhilegend is as brain dead as they come.