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Captain America (ex: 5)
Winter Soldier
Batman
Predator
Pops
Spiderman (Tobey)
Luke Cage
Loki

hahaha

Moved.

Dozens at the very least and that's for the weakest person on the list.

Maybe 3/4 before they adapt to their abilities/tech, then it's assimilation time.

Lol!!!!

Originally posted by Scoobless
Maybe 3/4 before they adapt to their abilities/tech, then it's assimilation time.

Can Borg even adapt to punches to the face?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Can Borg even adapt to punches to the face?
Maybe its a case of SG1 vs the replicators. The more primitive the attack the more effective the attack is. Though the borg also tend to be able to produce force fields, have energy weapons and enhanced strength. So i dont even know if punches work on them in the first place.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Can Borg even adapt to punches to the face?


nope..

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
nope..

Yeah, but they still have the super power to slowly lumber towards you wielding pointy things. It counts.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Maybe 3/4 before they adapt to their abilities/tech, then it's assimilation time.

Every time you post it just validates further how much of a joke you really are.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Can Borg even adapt to punches to the face? yup they can.

No they can't you idiot, Data was owning the, physically they never adapted to shit. You really are a fcking moron.

Originally posted by h1a8
yup they can.


please post evidence frommovie or tv show involving the borg...

please be beware i own every tng episode of the borg as well as star trek first contact...



Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah, but they still have the super power to slowly lumber towards you wielding pointy things. It counts.

Originally posted by h1a8
yup they can.


Post clips of them doing so.

He can't so he ran off like a coward

"lawl Borg adapt". Aka one of the biggest no limit fallacies ever

Originally posted by Sable
Every time you post it just validates further how much of a joke you really are.

You're so cute. like a puppy.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Maybe 3/4 before they adapt to their abilities/tech, then it's assimilation time.

Idiot

Originally posted by Sable
No they can't you idiot, Data was owning the, physically they never adapted to shit. You really are a fcking moron.

They exhibited force field generation.

Were they owned (beaten completely) with a punch once and in a later scene, owned again with a punch?

Unless you are telling me the won't be able to adapt to bullets as well.

Originally posted by Sable
Idiot

I believe you are the idiot here. Seriously!

Says the guy who hasn't seen Superman 2 since he was a child, lifeformses

I like "formses" over saying "forms". It sounds cooler imo.

Forms this is, is another story

You didn't spell it forms, you spelled it formses

Originally posted by Sable
You didn't spell it forms, you spelled it formses

You misunderstood.
I like the word, "formses" in replacement of "forms".

But he says, "forms THIS IS". Therefore "formses" is not a good substitute. But I still like it.

Its horrible, it doesn't even sound good to the ears. It sounds retarded honestly

Data was killing them wholesale in h2h. Punching them out and snapping necks. Yeah Borg's can't really adapt to getting beat up really bad. ANd they're super slow. Even Warf was taking them out with gun butts.

H1 admitted he has only seen Superman 2 once when he was a kid. So from now on we can't take his word for anything as he probably forgot most of what he's debating if he's even seen it at all.

The Borg have trouble adapting to kinetic force. It's why blunt force trauma, batleths, and bullets work on them, but energy weapon discharges such as hand phasers, phaser rifles, and disrupters get borked in seconds by Borg personal shielding.

Tell that to H1

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The Borg have trouble adapting to kinetic force. It's why blunt force trauma, batleths, and bullets work on them, but energy weapon discharges such as hand phasers, phaser rifles, and disrupters get borked in seconds by Borg personal shielding.


pleaase explain this to h1

Originally posted by Sable
H1 admitted he has only seen Superman 2 once when he was a kid. So from now on we can't take his word for anything as he probably forgot most of what he's debating if he's even seen it at all. I said I seen it a billion times. Did you read the post?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The Borg have trouble adapting to kinetic force. It's why blunt force trauma, batleths, and bullets work on them, but energy weapon discharges such as hand phasers, phaser rifles, and disrupters get borked in seconds by Borg personal shielding.

They showed force field generation. There wasn't much blunt force taking them out to have to adapt to. Even so, it is PIS if they didn't. This is because of force field generation.

Originally posted by Sable
Its horrible, it doesn't even sound good to the ears. It sounds retarded honestly I disagree. It sounds awesome.

"Such fragile lifeformses."

There's nothing better in the world.

Originally posted by h1a8
yup they can.

Prove that they can adapt to punches to the face.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. It sounds awesome.

"Such fragile lifeformses."

There's nothing better in the world.

No it sounds like something a retard would say

Originally posted by h1a8
I said I seen it a billion times. Did you read the post?

You said bad audio from being a kid. Which means you have no seen it since you were a kid.

Originally posted by h1a8
They showed force field generation. There wasn't much blunt force taking them out to have to adapt to. Even so, it is PIS if they didn't. This is because of force field generation.



lolol, we all know you never watched, but i have

the borg fall quite easily to hand to hand and blunt force, that is very evident everytim the Enterprise and crew fought them..

Originally posted by h1a8
They showed force field generation. There wasn't much blunt force taking them out to have to adapt to. Even so, it is PIS if they didn't. This is because of force field generation.

Is English your first language?

Originally posted by h1a8
They showed force field generation. There wasn't much blunt force taking them out to have to adapt to. Even so, it is PIS if they didn't. This is because of force field generation.

They are personal fields attuned to deflect specific energy wavelengths. They would not put up barriers to block physical force because that would directly interfere with assimilation processes. They are technologically advanced, not magical block everything wizards and were never meant to be so.

What's so ironic about this is h1s avatar has Data in it. One of the great examples of him tearing through borg via strength and hits. He doesn't even realize it.

Originally posted by Sable
What's so ironic about this is h1s avatar has Data in it. One of the great examples of him tearing through borg via strength and hits. He doesn't even realize it.

I keep thinking there's a hot chick as your avatar and I keep zooming in and it's still Hilary.

Originally posted by Sable
What's so ironic about this is h1s avatar has Data in it. One of the great examples of him tearing through borg via strength and hits. He doesn't even realize it.

he prolly don't even know who data is, let alone what data has done

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I keep thinking there's a hot chick as your avatar and I keep zooming in and it's still Hilary.

How dare you besmirch her royal highness!

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
he prolly don't even know who data is, let alone what data has done

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
They are personal fields attuned to deflect specific energy wavelengths. They would not put up barriers to block physical force because that would directly interfere with assimilation processes. They are technologically advanced, not magical block everything wizards and were never meant to be so.

Probably so. But if they could do generic force fields then they could just turn it off to assimilate.

But, you are be right. Those weren't generic forcefields, but energy specifically tuned for a certain frequency of energy. My argument is that they can POTENTIALLY generate generic forcefields eventually to defend against blunt attacks.

In theory, or using the suspension of disbelief, they should be able to. It would be incredibly stupid to take out thousands one at a time with bullets and none of them can adapt to basic bullets.

That makes no sense. Therefore, it won't happen.

We argue based on feats, not what you believe makes sense.

If you want to argue that they will enact generic force fields to stop blunt force, then you must provide evidence of them doing so.

Originally posted by h1a8
Probably so. But if they could do generic force fields then they could just turn it off to assimilate.

But, you are be right. Those weren't generic forcefields, but energy specifically tuned for a certain frequency of energy. My argument is that they can POTENTIALLY generate generic forcefields eventually to defend against blunt attacks.

In theory, or using the suspension of disbelief, they should be able to. It would be incredibly stupid to take out thousands one at a time with bullets and none of them can adapt to basic bullets.

That makes no sense. Therefore, it won't happen.

"Could be's" don't cut it. If they had those, they would block everything Data and Worf did. Hell, not even tactical borgs have those. The only one we have seen with personal physically effective forcefields was from One in Star Trek Voyager Episode 195: Drone

I'm sorry, but the Borg are well known for not changing their methodology until they are absolutely forced to. That is their MO. That is one of their specific weaknesses. They adapt, but they don't learn.

Originally posted by Silent Master
We argue based on feats, not what you believe makes sense.

If you want to argue that they will enact generic force fields to stop blunt force, then you must provide evidence of them doing so.

But he can't, now what?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
"Could be's" don't cut it. If they had those, they would block everything Data and Worf did. Hell, not even tactical borgs have those. The only one we have seen with personal physically effective forcefields was from One in Star Trek Voyager Episode 195: Drone

I'm sorry, but the Borg are well known for not changing their methodology until they are absolutely forced to. That is their MO. That is one of their specific weaknesses. They adapt, but they don't learn.

He will never admit he's wrong, he will just keep making things up and misrepresenting characters and feats.

H1 is a very emotional poster, he firmly believes in feels before reals.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
"Could be's" don't cut it. If they had those, they would block everything Data and Worf did. Hell, not even tactical borgs have those. The only one we have seen with personal physically effective forcefields was from One in Star Trek Voyager Episode 195: Drone

I'm sorry, but the Borg are well known for not changing their methodology until they are absolutely forced to. That is their MO. That is one of their specific weaknesses. They adapt, but they don't learn.

Are there thousands of them or millions?
Either way I don't see someone beating all of them, one at a time, with bullets, without them eventually adapting some type of force field. They would be forced to, right?

Otherwise, it would be pretty stupid and go against the suspension of disbelief.

They don't have to adapt right away. Maybe after 20 go down then they would.

But you just gave evidence that it is possible for them to create personal force fields.

Possibility is not how we debate it's based on what we can prove. How old are you H1 ? You've been here for years and you're as clueless as someone in their first two weeks on the site.

Originally posted by Silent Master
We argue based on feats, not what you believe makes sense.

If you want to argue that they will enact generic force fields to stop blunt force, then you must provide evidence of them doing so.


The other poster already gave proof of them generating personal generic force fields from a Voyager episode. Even without that evidence, they can be reasoned to be able to do so.

Arguing from feats also includes drawing REASONABLE inferences.

Originally posted by h1a8
The other poster already gave proof of them generating personal generic force fields from a Voyager episode. Even without that evidence, they can be reasoned to be able to do so.

Arguing from feats also includes drawing REASONABLE inferences.

Except we see that ordinary borg from the 24th century (The ones with the longest screentime) simply do not have kinetic forcefields and are known to be vulnerable to kinetic forces. My proof was for a unique character called One, a Borg created with 29th century technology.

Don't mistake my evidence. Also, you can't infer abilities not seen or hinted at at all. Like I said, if Data can manhandle borg, and wof can dice them up with his blades, and the Borg are not adapting within seconds, then you are wrong, and you should admit to such.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Possibility is not how we debate it's based on what we can prove. How old are you H1 ? You've been here for years and you're as clueless as someone in their first two weeks on the site.

It is how we debate. Adapting abilities gives us the ability to argue shit that wasn't shown. It's in the very nature of that particular power.
If DD was stated to adapt to shit on the fly and shown to adapt to attacks thrown his way then we can reasonably assume that he can adapt to attacks not shown. Why? Because this is his superpower.

Originally posted by Silent Master
H1 is a very emotional poster, he firmly believes in feels before reals.

Originally posted by h1a8
It is how we debate. Adapting abilities gives us the ability to argue shit that wasn't shown. It's in the very nature of that particular power.
If DD was stated to adapt to shit on the fly and shown to adapt to attacks thrown his way then we can reasonably assume that he can adapt to attacks not shown. Why? Because this is his superpower. We argue based off the limits shown and the tendencies of the characters. He's still to this day not adapted to blunt force trauma. And there are many attacks that have killed him. You even admitted you've debated topics in which you haven't seen the material in over a decade based off memory alone. You're the worst.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We argue based off the limits shown and the tendencies of the characters. He's still to this day not adapted to blunt force trauma. And there are many attacks that have killed him. You even admitted you've debated topics in which you haven't seen the material in over a decade based off memory alone. You're the worst. A generic forcefield is within the limits of the Borg's technology.

Only a few Borg were killed by blunt force. There are millions of them at the very least.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Except we see that ordinary borg from the 24th century (The ones with the longest screentime) simply do not have kinetic forcefields and are known to be vulnerable to kinetic forces. My proof was for a unique character called One, a Borg created with 29th century technology.

Don't mistake my evidence. Also, you can't infer abilities not seen or hinted at at all. Like I said, if Data can manhandle borg, and wof can dice them up with his blades, and the Borg are not adapting within seconds, then you are wrong, and you should admit to such.

They don't have to adapt within seconds. They can possibly adapt after an hour or any reasonable time.

The OP stated the Borg. All members should be included, unless specified.

But I digress. If it's not reasonable (under forum rules) to assume the Borg would eventually generate kinetic force fields before going extinct, then I'll concede the argument here. But ill still maintain my opinion on that they can.

Originally posted by h1a8
They don't have to adapt within seconds. They can possibly adapt after an hour or any reasonable time.

The OP stated the Borg. All members should be included, unless specified.

But I digress. If it's not reasonable (under forum rules) to assume the Borg would eventually generate kinetic force fields before going extinct, then I'll concede the argument here. But ill still maintain my opinion on that they can.

You DO realize what you are inferring is in no way true, right? I mean the Borg have had literally YEARS since the battle of Wolf 359, and even longer since Q Who, to adapt to physical blows, yet come First Contact, or even Voyager, and they are STILL vulnerable to physical force. So no. After years of time to adapt, they have yet to do so. Your inference is unreasonable and not demonstrated.

And I just used the entire collective's time to adapt, and you still do not have a point.

You can maintain an opinion, even if it is demonstrably wrong, if you want to, but unfortunately, without some sort of evidence to base such an opinion on, it will not carry any weight in a debate.

Originally posted by h1a8
A generic forcefield is within the limits of the Borg's technology.

Only a few Borg were killed by blunt force. There are millions of them at the very least.



They don't have to adapt within seconds. They can possibly adapt after an hour or any reasonable time.

The OP stated the Borg. All members should be included, unless specified.

But I digress. If it's not reasonable (under forum rules) to assume the Borg would eventually generate kinetic force fields before going extinct, then I'll concede the argument here. But ill still maintain my opinion on that they can. Then why did you say you were arguing what wasn't shown ? Which is it ?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You DO realize what you are inferring is in no way true, right? I mean the Borg have had literally YEARS since the battle of Wolf 359, and even longer since Q Who, to adapt to physical blows, yet come First Contact, or even Voyager, and they are STILL vulnerable to physical force. So no. After years of time to adapt, they have yet to do so. Your inference is unreasonable and not demonstrated.

And I just used the entire collective's time to adapt, and you still do not have a point.

You can maintain an opinion, even if it is demonstrably wrong, if you want to, but unfortunately, without some sort of evidence to base such an opinion on, it will not carry any weight in a debate.
Time is irrelevant. It's about the amount of Borg destroyed.
If thousands of them were destroyed with blunt force without adapting then you have a point. But only a handful or less was.

You know that debating here isn't about winning or losing. Everyone here will always maintain what their belief is, even if it is wrong. Just look at Quanchi.
I can see if this was a battlezone with judges. We would have a clear winner in that case.

The debating we do is about swaying someone's opinion. If we can't do that then it doesn't matter.

But if the One is included in this group then the Borg instantly adapts forcefields due to his knowledge.

Originally posted by h1a8
Time is irrelevant. It's about the amount of Borg destroyed.
If thousands of them were destroyed with blunt force without adapting then you have a point. But only a handful or less was.

No it's not. The Borg can adapt after a single drone is destroyed, and they have demonstrated this throughout TNG and even Voyager. You are literally demonstrably wrong on this point.

Originally posted by h1a8
You know that debating here isn't about winning or losing. Everyone here will always maintain what their belief is, even if it is wrong. Just look at Quanchi.
I can see if this was a battlezone with judges. We would have a clear winner in that case.

If you want a place where clear winners are defined, then Spacebattles actually has enforced rules of debating. That being said, debating is about convincing the oposition of your point of view.

Originally posted by h1a8
The debating we do is about swaying someone's opinion. If we can't do that then it doesn't matter.

Then why bother? I mean I'm here only to provide correct information. Sometimes I'm wrong, and when that occurs, I admit it. BUT that has not happened here, because your methodology goes against every demonstrated aspect of Borg adaption technology and methods.

Originally posted by h1a8
But if the One is included in this group then the Borg instantly adapts forcefields due to his knowledge.

But he is not. One specifically fought against 24th century Borg. he's not one of them.

Originally posted by h1a8
Time is irrelevant. It's about the amount of Borg destroyed.
If thousands of them were destroyed with blunt force without adapting then you have a point. But only a handful or less was.

You know that debating here isn't about winning or losing. Everyone here will always maintain what their belief is, even if it is wrong. Just look at Quanchi.
I can see if this was a battlezone with judges. We would have a clear winner in that case.

The debating we do is about swaying someone's opinion. If we can't do that then it doesn't matter.

But if the One is included in this group then the Borg instantly adapts forcefields due to his knowledge.

How many times did the Borg adapt to blunt force trauma?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No it's not. The Borg can adapt after a single drone is destroyed, and they have demonstrated this throughout TNG and even Voyager. You are literally demonstrably wrong on this point.



If you want a place where clear winners are defined, then Spacebattles actually has enforced rules of debating. That being said, debating is about convincing the oposition of your point of view.



Then why bother? I mean I'm here only to provide correct information. Sometimes I'm wrong, and when that occurs, I admit it. BUT that has not happened here, because your methodology goes against every demonstrated aspect of Borg adaption technology and methods.



But he is not. One specifically fought against 24th century Borg. he's not one of them.

Can and Must are two different words. Borg can adapt after one attack and they can adapt after 10 attacks. There are no rules concerning when exactly they must adapt.

No one convinces anyone here really. It is very rare that happens. Typically people just spout their opinion, even if it's wrong. You would be hard pressed to find instances of someone convincing someone else of something.

In most cases, it just become an agree to disagree conclusion.

There were no stips given to which Borg can be used.

But they never adapted. Saying they can but didn't doesn't fly and you know it. Because they didnt on screen.

Originally posted by Sable
How many times did the Borg adapt to blunt force trauma? How many times did DD adapt to stuff not shown in the comic? Does that mean he can't adapt to stuff not shown, if it is part of his power set?

Force field generation is well within the Borg's technology.

Originally posted by KingD19
But they never adapted. Saying they can but didn't doesn't fly and you know it. Because they didnt on screen. My argument is that they would have eventually, especially before becoming extinct to the same attack.

And it doesn't matter as there was one who did. The OP never stated which Borg. So we can use ALL borg shown in all shows and movies.

Originally posted by h1a8
Can and Must are two different words. Borg can adapt after one attack and they can adapt after 10 attacks. There are no rules concerning when exactly they must adapt.

Are you REALLY trying to play semantics here? You have no evidence, no reasonable basis, no logical deduction, nothing at all to support your case here. I'm not going into circles with yet another would-be debater about mights, could be's and maybes. Give me solid factual proof or stop.

Originally posted by h1a8
No one convinces anyone here really. It is very rare that happens. Typically people just spout their opinion, even if it's wrong. You would be hard pressed to find instances of someone convincing someone else of something.

The convincing happens with evidence. If you want to debate, then you need as much solid evidence as possible. We do not go by what could be, or what you think should be, but only by what is.

Originally posted by h1a8
In most cases, it just become an agree to disagree conclusion.

Then you are doing it wrong.

Originally posted by h1a8
There were no stips given to which Borg can be used.

In which case we revert to the best DEFAULT variant. Not the one individual borg drone who is not the Borg we know, nor was he ever actually a part of the collective. You arn't going to get anyone to agree or even consider that level of word play to get around your incomplete and unprovable hypothesis.

The Borg have used forcefields to stop/repel physical objects before. We just don't know if they've ever been capable of stopping anything on the level of say, a photon torpedo.

Their subspace field/personal field was retconned to be weak against physical weaponry in First Contact. I still don't know how they'd do against something like a Luke Cage punch, though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The Borg have used forcefields to stop/repel physical objects before. We just don't know if they've ever been capable of stopping anything on the level of say, a photon torpedo.

Now you've made an actual claim. Now, where is your evidence of this forcefield used to stop physical objects? And I mean from a Drone, not a corridor repulsor field. We are looking at the drones and their combat ability, remember?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Their subspace field/personal field was retconned to be weak against physical weaponry in First Contact. I still don't know how they'd do against something like a Luke Cage punch, though.

Then we go by the latest incarnation if canon has been changed, no different than using Disney canon over legends when it comes to Star Wars. As much as that galls me, and as much as Voyager pisses on the Borg, that is how it must be done.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Now you've made an actual claim. Now, where is your evidence of this forcefield used to stop physical objects? And I mean from a Drone, not a corridor repulsor field. We are looking at the drones and their combat ability, remember?



Then we go by the latest incarnation if canon has been changed, no different than using Disney canon over legends when it comes to Star Wars. As much as that galls me, and as much as Voyager pisses on the Borg, that is how it must be done.

Oh, an actual drone? NVM then, they've only done that in the books that I can recall.

Voyager can **** right off, but FC isn't shit, and that still supports the idea that the Borg can only adapt to energy weapons.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Are you REALLY trying to play semantics here? You have no evidence, no reasonable basis, no logical deduction, nothing at all to support your case here. I'm not going into circles with yet another would-be debater about mights, could be's and maybes. Give me solid factual proof or stop.



The convincing happens with evidence. If you want to debate, then you need as much solid evidence as possible. We do not go by what could be, or what you think should be, but only by what is.



Then you are doing it wrong.



In which case we revert to the best DEFAULT variant. Not the one individual borg drone who is not the Borg we know, nor was he ever actually a part of the collective. You arn't going to get anyone to agree or even consider that level of word play to get around your incomplete and unprovable hypothesis.

So is it reasonable to assume that Borg have the technology to general fields to repel physical attacks?

Or is it unreasonable?

Originally posted by h1a8
How many times did DD adapt to stuff not shown in the comic? Does that mean he can't adapt to stuff not shown, if it is part of his power set?

Force field generation is well within the Borg's technology.

Sorry we argue in character here. Show me a screen feats of them adapting to blunt force trauma.

Originally posted by h1a8
So is it reasonable to assume that Borg have the technology to general fields to repel physical attacks?

Or is it unreasonable?

It would be unreasonable to assume they have done so. The Borg do not change their way of doing things until they are absolutely forced to do so, such as was the case with Species 8472. They do not alter tactics, and they certainly do not put kinetic shields on their drones because we have never seen them do so even when logic and opportunity have been present. To simply say they do now is disingenuous, and is not even testable. If we were to suddenly slap on a repulsor field generator onto a drone, we have no way of knowing how much punishment it could take, or how much force is required to break it.

In other words, it ceases being about what you can prove, and more about what you suppose would be accurate. And that gets less and less reliable the further down you go.

Originally posted by h1a8
So is it reasonable to assume that Borg have the technology to general fields to repel physical attacks?

Or is it unreasonable?


if you have actual proof then please provide it???? a 2 year okd can provide proof than you do... if you actually know how to use youtube go there and return back with proof otherwise end this debacle and admit you simply are a troll who knows nothing..


------"Manners Maketh Man"---------

Originally posted by h1a8
How many times did DD adapt to stuff not shown in the comic? Does that mean he can't adapt to stuff not shown, if it is part of his power set?

Force field generation is well within the Borg's technology.

We argue in character here, so if you want to claim that they'll do something, you have to provide examples of them actually doing it.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Now you've made an actual claim. Now, where is your evidence of this forcefield used to stop physical objects? And I mean from a Drone, not a corridor repulsor field. We are looking at the drones and their combat ability, remember?



Then we go by the latest incarnation if canon has been changed, no different than using Disney canon over legends when it comes to Star Wars. As much as that galls me, and as much as Voyager pisses on the Borg, that is how it must be done.

He has no evidence nor does H1 as usual.

H1 has been run off the board.

He'll be back, he's like herpes. It never goes away forever.

In first contact if i recall warf was slicing through drones with a sword. They didnt adapt to it either.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
if you have actual proof then please provide it???? a 2 year okd can provide proof than you do... if you actually know how to use youtube go there and return back with proof otherwise end this debacle and admit you simply are a troll who knows nothing..


------"Manners Maketh Man"---------

That doesn't answer the question.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It would be unreasonable to assume they have done so. The Borg do not change their way of doing things until they are absolutely forced to do so, such as was the case with Species 8472. They do not alter tactics, and they certainly do not put kinetic shields on their drones because we have never seen them do so even when logic and opportunity have been present. To simply say they do now is disingenuous, and is not even testable. If we were to suddenly slap on a repulsor field generator onto a drone, we have no way of knowing how much punishment it could take, or how much force is required to break it.

In other words, it ceases being about what you can prove, and more about what you suppose would be accurate. And that gets less and less reliable the further down you go. You didn't answer the question. That is a strong sign of being wrong.

Originally posted by Sable
Sorry we argue in character here. Show me a screen feats of them adapting to blunt force trauma.

It's completely in character for them to evolve some form of kinetic shield, especially if MANY get defeated first.

There is 0 chance that you can kill every single one with a bullet at one at a time.

We can agree to disagree. But my side is the more logical. The other side is asinine.

Sorry we argue in character here. Show me a screen feats of them adapting to blunt force trauma.

If it's in character, post clips of them doing so.

Originally posted by h1a8
That doesn't answer the question.

You didn't answer the question. That is a strong sign of being wrong.



It's completely in character for them to evolve some form of kinetic shield, especially if MANY get defeated first.

There is 0 chance that you can kill every single one with a bullet at one at a time.

We can agree to disagree. But my side is the more logical. The other side is asinine.

you one funny dummy... post feats or STFU and GTFO

H1 is taking it.

Originally posted by h1a8
You didn't answer the question. That is a strong sign of being wrong.

I did answer your question. You not liking the answer doesn't make it wrong, no matter what you believe.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's completely in character for them to evolve some form of kinetic shield, especially if MANY get defeated first.

No, it is not. Because they have never demonstrated the logical capacity to do so, even when hard pressed when Species 8472 was walloping Drones around like Hulk on meth. You have no basis to make this claim outside of what YOU would have done with the collective's tech and an audience's foresight. That is not how debates such as this work.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is 0 chance that you can kill every single one with a bullet at one at a time.

Incorrect. Bullets have proven effective against Borg adaptive tech before. As have Batleths, Gun stocks to the head, or in Data's case, a solid punch. Also displayed by Species 8472. Unfortunately, they do not adapt to physical trauma and this has been proven repeatedly. You do not get to assert to the contrary without evidence. You have none, from any source anywhere, to do so. So you are objectively incorrect.

Originally posted by h1a8
We can agree to disagree. But my side is the more logical. The other side is asinine.

Oh how simultaneously gracious and utterly bull headed of you. No, agree to disagree if you want to, but no. Not more logical, and our side is not asenine for having proof. You are being asenine by spouting claims without so much as an inkling of proof.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I did answer your question. You not liking the answer doesn't make it wrong, no matter what you believe.



No, it is not. Because they have never demonstrated the logical capacity to do so, even when hard pressed when Species 8472 was walloping Drones around like Hulk on meth. You have no basis to make this claim outside of what YOU would have done with the collective's tech and an audience's foresight. That is not how debates such as this work.



Incorrect. Bullets have proven effective against Borg adaptive tech before. As have Batleths, Gun stocks to the head, or in Data's case, a solid punch. Also displayed by Species 8472. Unfortunately, they do not adapt to physical trauma and this has been proven repeatedly. You do not get to assert to the contrary without evidence. You have none, from any source anywhere, to do so. So you are objectively incorrect.



Oh how simultaneously gracious and utterly bull headed of you. No, agree to disagree if you want to, but no. Not more logical, and our side is not asenine for having proof. You are being asenine by spouting claims without so much as an inkling of proof.

Their technology is well sufficient in creating kinetic force fields.
There is no way in hell that they don't eventually create kinetic forcefields after many die. I'm done with the argument. You guys are very illogical. It's about what's reasonable.

Originally posted by Sable
Sorry we argue in character here. Show me a screen feats of them adapting to blunt force trauma.

Originally posted by Sable
It's in character. They would not purposely choose not to adapt if it's means their extinction.

It's either they can or cannot. It's not whether they choose to or not.

Nope

Originally posted by h1a8
Their technology is well sufficient in creating kinetic force fields.
There is no way in hell that they don't eventually create kinetic forcefields after many die. I'm done with the argument. You guys are very illogical. It's about what's reasonable.

No, it's about what actually happens on screen, as we argue in character.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's in character. They would not purposely choose not to adapt if it's means their extinction.

It's either they can or cannot. It's not whether they choose to or not.

If it's in character, show examples of them doing it.

He can't

I don't think H1 understands what in character means.

In character to H1 means whatever the hell he wants it to be.

Originally posted by h1a8
Their technology is well sufficient in creating kinetic force fields.
There is no way in hell that they don't eventually create kinetic forcefields after many die. I'm done with the argument. You guys are very illogical. It's about what's reasonable.

And? When have they created them for drone usage? The only time it's ever been deployed anywhere by the collective is as a corridor barricade. They do not use them as personal shields on every drone. We do not know why, and it does not matter, that is how the Borg operate. That is how they have always operated, and will always operate. They do not evolve new tactics, because that is one of their weakness.

Don't get upset because the Borg's own characterization undoes whatever tech edge they may have had. We didn't do that. Hell, if you wanted Borg with OUR competence driving them, then this would be a different story. Hell, Spacebattles have vs matches with that sort of stipulation. Audience competency alters the way anyone functions within a vs. Example, imagine we ran Sauron's forces during the war of the ring. Imagine the Empire from Star Wars ran with competency. You'll find that a lot of flaws and faults would be phased out in such matches. But, it would not be the real Dark lord's forces, or Palatine's Empire. Same vein, what you are arguing for is not the genuine real Borg Collective.

h1 never argues how things are supposed to be. He argues what he wants them to be.

"I know the Borg have never not once shown the ability to adapt to physical attacks. Because they get hit with and are damaged/killed by physical attacks all the time. Buuuuut they can totally adapt. They just don't want to. So clearly they still win."

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And? When have they created them for drone usage? The only time it's ever been deployed anywhere by the collective is as a corridor barricade. They do not use them as personal shields on every drone. We do not know why, and it does not matter, that is how the Borg operate. That is how they have always operated, and will always operate. They do not evolve new tactics, because that is one of their weakness.

Don't get upset because the Borg's own characterization undoes whatever tech edge they may have had. We didn't do that. Hell, if you wanted Borg with OUR competence driving them, then this would be a different story. Hell, Spacebattles have vs matches with that sort of stipulation. Audience competency alters the way anyone functions within a vs. Example, imagine we ran Sauron's forces during the war of the ring. Imagine the Empire from Star Wars ran with competency. You'll find that a lot of flaws and faults would be phased out in such matches. But, it would not be the real Dark lord's forces, or Palatine's Empire. Same vein, what you are arguing for is not the genuine real Borg Collective.

It is faulty to assume that since they didn't evolve shields after 3 deaths then they will never evolve them (even after 100 deaths). There were time(s) the Borg adapted immediately after 1 death and there were time(s) they adapted after multiple deaths of the same attack. Therefore, the number of deaths doesn't determine when they evolve.

It's all about
1. Is it WELL within their technology
2. Will they reasonably choose to employ that evolution if they can achieve it.

Originally posted by h1a8
It is faulty to assume that since they didn't evolve shields after 3 deaths then they will never evolve them (even after 100 deaths). There were time(s) the Borg adapted immediately after 1 death and there were time(s) they adapted after multiple deaths of the same attack. Therefore, the number of deaths doesn't determine when they evolve.

It's all about
1. Is it WELL within their technology
2. Will they reasonably choose to employ that evolution if they can achieve it.

Your opinion is irrelevant, we go by feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
It is faulty to assume that since they didn't evolve shields after 3 deaths then they will never evolve them (even after 100 deaths). There were time(s) the Borg adapted immediately after 1 death and there were time(s) they adapted after multiple deaths of the same attack. Therefore, the number of deaths doesn't determine when they evolve.

It's all about
1. Is it WELL within their technology
2. Will they reasonably choose to employ that evolution if they can achieve it.


YOUR OPINION IS IRRELEVANT

WE ARE THE BORG... RESISTANCE IS FUTILE..


We go by what the borg HAVE SHOWN to do. They have never done nor will they ever do what you you want them too.. I know this because I have watched every Star Trek episode from Kirk to Picard to Sisko to Janeway to Archer.. I have even started watching Star Trek Discovery.. I own all the Star Trek movies on dvd/blu ray

Originally posted by h1a8
It is faulty to assume that since they didn't evolve shields after 3 deaths then they will never evolve them (even after 100 deaths). There were time(s) the Borg adapted immediately after 1 death and there were time(s) they adapted after multiple deaths of the same attack. Therefore, the number of deaths doesn't determine when they evolve.

It's all about
1. Is it WELL within their technology
2. Will they reasonably choose to employ that evolution if they can achieve it.

You do not listen. At all.

The Borg do not consider general kinetic weapons or offense to be worth adapting to. Because very few species they have encountered can physically overpower a drone. This is well known fact, and is a very large INTENTIONALLY CREATED weakness. You don't get to suppose a nulliffication of a weakness to cover yourself based on absolutely nothing.

#1: Yes, and another well known fact is that every technology they get is done through assimilation. They don't research and develop their own tech. Now, name a species that has set up personal kinetic shield system smartass.
#2: Only if it's part of their standard modus operandi. Which it is not.

Now, if your next post does not have an explanation as to why the Borg have never deployed this wonderful nullification to one of their known weaknesses, and explains a way around their known need to directly assimilate such tech, then you cannot win this point and you should apologize to everyone you have affronted with your time wasting tactic here.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
YOUR OPINION IS IRRELEVANT

WE ARE THE BORG... RESISTANCE IS FUTILE..


We go by what the borg HAVE SHOWN to do. They have never done nor will they ever do what you you want them too.. I know this because I have watched every Star Trek episode from Kirk to Picard to Sisko to Janeway to Archer.. I have even started watching Star Trek Discovery.. I own all the Star Trek movies on dvd/blu ray No WE don't. To do so is to be stupid. Surely, characters can do things they were not specifically shown to do. It's based off their capabilities and their intellect to choose to do whatever they deem necessary.


Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You do not listen. At all.

The Borg do not consider general kinetic weapons or offense to be worth adapting to. Because very few species they have encountered can physically overpower a drone. This is well known fact, and is a very large INTENTIONALLY CREATED weakness. You don't get to suppose a nulliffication of a weakness to cover yourself based on absolutely nothing.

#1: Yes, and another well known fact is that every technology they get is done through assimilation. They don't research and develop their own tech. Now, name a species that has set up personal kinetic shield system smartass.
#2: Only if it's part of their standard modus operandi. Which it is not.

Now, if your next post does not have an explanation as to why the Borg have never deployed this wonderful nullification to one of their known weaknesses, and explains a way around their known need to directly assimilate such tech, then you cannot win this point and you should apologize to everyone you have affronted with your time wasting tactic here.


"Do not consider" and "will never consider under all circumstances" is two different things. Not only does your argument not prove the latter but it's highly unreasonable to assume it.

In the case of hundreds of them dying one at a time from kinetic means will force them to adapt, if they are technologically able to. They are intelligent as a collective, not stupid. Especially the leader.

They will not purposely choose to not adapt to what will potentially wipe them all out. If they do not adapt then it's because they don't possess the necessary technology to do so, and not because they don't choose to.

So it is common sense they will adapt (only if it's within their technology) before being wiped out one at a time.

Therefore the only thing to prove is whether it is well within their technology to do.

They have created kinetic shields in different ways. Therefore they have the technology to create a kinetic field. They have created personal fields that block certain frequencies of energy. Therefore they have the ability to create personal kinetic shields.

Originally posted by h1a8
No WE don't. To do so is to be stupid. Surely, characters can do things they were not specifically shown to do. It's based off their capabilities and their intellect to choose to do whatever they deem necessary.





HAHAHAHA yes we do.... No characters cannot.... We have ALWAYS gone by screen feats..

MVF GOLDEN RULE .... What is seen on screen is canon to these forums. If your character you wish to use has feats/actions/handicaps that contradict what that character did on screen (movie canon), then it is a violation and is illegal. MOVIE FEATS ONLY!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t543649.html

You would know this, if you could read the pinned post from Imp...

we do not guess here.. we do not use kindergarten level speculation here either. nor do we use tough guy internet tactics like you try to use..

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
HAHAHAHA yes we do.... No characters cannot.... We have ALWAYS gone by screen feats..

MVF GOLDEN RULE .... What is seen on screen is canon to these forums. If your character you wish to use has feats/actions/handicaps that contradict what that character did on screen (movie canon), then it is a violation and is illegal. MOVIE FEATS ONLY!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t543649.html

You would know this, if you could read the pinned post from Imp...

we do not guess here.. we do not use kindergarten level speculation here either. nor do we use tough guy internet tactics like you try to use..

Wrong!!!
Characters CAN do shit they were not shown to do, provided that there is articulable and sound evidence supporting it. For example, Superman can lift a bus, although he wasn't shown to do so. Tony Stark can repair a broken printer. I can go on and on.

Two questions must be answered.
Are the borg technologically capable of creating personal kinetic shields?
And if so, will they choose to not do so at the cost of their entire race dying one at a time from physical forces?

Originally posted by h1a8
Wrong!!!
Characters CAN do shit they were not shown to do, provided that there is articulable and sound evidence supporting it. For example, Superman can lift a bus, although he wasn't shown to do so. Tony Stark can repair a broken printer. I can go on and on.

Two questions must be answered.
Are the borg technologically capable of creating personal kinetic shields?
And if so, will they choose to not do so at the cost of their entire race dying one at a time from physical forces?

You need to read the rules.

Superman can lift a bus because he was shown lifting things far more massive than a bus. Tony can fix a printer because he's created trillions of dollars worth of sophisticated tech.

The Borg have several times when personal kinetic shields would have won them the day. Yet they never used them. If they didn't use them when they had multiple instances, then they can't or won't use them. Either way it doesn't matter because they weren't used. Stop being asinine.

You'll notice that he always leaves after making at best a few posts and then waits hours if not days before coming back. he's trying to drag this out in the hopes that the people who disagree with him will lose interest and move on. that'll allow him to get the last word and declare victory.

It's a rather old troll tactic.

Originally posted by h1a8
Wrong!!!
Characters CAN do shit they were not shown to do, provided that there is articulable and sound evidence supporting it. For example, Superman can lift a bus, although he wasn't shown to do so. Tony Stark can repair a broken printer. I can go on and on.

Two questions must be answered.
Are the borg technologically capable of creating personal kinetic shields?
And if so, will they choose to not do so at the cost of their entire race dying one at a time from physical forces?



hahaha

Originally posted by h1a8
"Do not consider" and "will never consider under all circumstances" is two different things. Not only does your argument not prove the latter but it's highly unreasonable to assume it.

In the case of hundreds of them dying one at a time from kinetic means will force them to adapt, if they are technologically able to. They are intelligent as a collective, not stupid. Especially the leader.

They will not purposely choose to not adapt to what will potentially wipe them all out. If they do not adapt then it's because they don't possess the necessary technology to do so, and not because they don't choose to.

So it is common sense they will adapt (only if it's within their technology) before being wiped out one at a time.

Therefore the only thing to prove is whether it is well within their technology to do.

They have created kinetic shields in different ways. Therefore they have the technology to create a kinetic field. They have created personal fields that block certain frequencies of energy. Therefore they have the ability to create personal kinetic shields.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/d7086ed357ce64d93630195a1b520077/tumblr_ml7u7fAaem1rdp19zo1_400.gif

You are unreasonable for making the leap of logic that the Borg alter tactics without prompt. It took Voyager's intervention to do that with Species 8472, and they were LOSING that war badly. They had the technology, they HAD the nanoprobes, but they never learned how to use it. This and this alone is ALLLLL the proof I need to shoot your entire argument down. Have fun trying to counter that H8, because anything else you try is simply garbage.