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Standard equipment. Fight to the death in the arena where Oberyn fought the Mountain.

Round 1: Old Barristan as we see in the show

Round 2: Prime Barristan

Problem is Barristan is all hype. We never see him actually fighting at the level he's suppose to operate at. Oberyn wins based on feats, Barristan wins based on implied skill

Based on feats only, Oberyn only fought Gregor who doesn't has any combat feats; while Selmy slaughtered like a dozen or so Sons of the Harpy.

Selmy wins, solidly if we include book feats.

Originally posted by juggerman
Problem is Barristan is all hype.

Same as Jaime.

Jaime isn't in this thread. But I've already made this point in another thread:

Originally posted by juggerman
With Jaime it's mostly hype if I'm being honest.

Barristan Wins.

Originally posted by juggerman
Problem is Barristan is all hype. We never see him actually fighting at the level he's suppose to operate at. Oberyn wins based on feats, Barristan wins based on implied skill

The problem is that Oberyn's real advantage against the Mountain was his speed and agility.

Barristan is as fast and agile as Oberyn.

Also Oberyn's spear is a long combat weapon. Quite suitable to fight slow big targets which you intend to keep distance from like the Mountain.

Selmy on the other hand knows this,. The moment Selmy gets close his sword will do the job.

Originally posted by juggerman
Problem is Barristan is all hype. We never see him actually fighting at the level he's suppose to operate at.
What about when he fought the Sons of the Harpy?

Originally posted by Rebel95
What about when he fought the Sons of the Harpy?

He didn't look all that impressive. He's supposed to be one of, if not THE, best swordsmen in the world. Capable of defeating 5(?) Kingsguard with the ease of cutting a cake. We never actually see these levels of skill from him

It's Selmy based off implied skill. They guy is supposed to be able to fight Ser Dayne dead evenly. Implied skill in Thrones isn't just one person hyping themselves either. The entire realm knows about Selmy and Jaime's skill and ranks them that high. It's annoying that people can argue that Jon or Brienne would stand a chance against Jaime (who was trained by both Selmy and Dayne) or Oberyn would against Selmy. It makes no sense and is pretty obviously fan wanking when people do it, despite it being technically in accordance with the rules.

I agree but here feats trump all talk. By feats Selmy ain't top tier. Neither is Jaime. If we went by character commentary, then they would likely be the top fighters

The Red Viper.

He'll hit Selmy at least once and that'll poison him.

I think he can survive long enough for the effects to take old.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The problem is that Oberyn's real advantage against the Mountain was his speed and agility.

Barristan is as fast and agile as Oberyn.

Also Oberyn's spear is a long combat weapon. Quite suitable to fight slow big targets which you intend to keep distance from like the Mountain.

Selmy on the other hand knows this,. The moment Selmy gets close his sword will do the job. I hope you don't actually think Selmy is as fast and agile as Oberyn...

Originally posted by Arachnid1
It's Selmy based off implied skill. They guy is supposed to be able to fight Ser Dayne dead evenly. Implied skill in Thrones isn't just one person hyping themselves either. The entire realm knows about Selmy and Jaime's skill and ranks them that high. It's annoying that people can argue that Jon or Brienne would stand a chance against Jaime (who was trained by both Selmy and Dayne) or Oberyn would against Selmy. It makes no sense and is pretty obviously fan wanking when people do it, despite it being technically in accordance with the rules.


Anyway, Selmy still got attacked by a dozen SoH, killed half of them, only got tagged when he was just killed someone else and still killed all but one. And all that in his 60ies and without his kingsguard armor.
Depending on the canonicity of History & Lore, he also bested Maelys who is basically a stronger Gregor.

Should this be allowed?:

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Originally posted by juggerman
Should this be allowed?:

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I don't see why not, those are made with the show, so they are show feats.

I actually posted the wrong one but if they are legal then Jaime and Barristan might just have some feats after all