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Fight 1
Ares is as he first appeared (suit and tie)

Fight 2
Battlefield is the same the one WW fought Ares (lot of metal)


Steppenwolf gets his standard axe.

Who wins?

Steppen twice. Ares was not on his level

Steppenwolf trashes him.

Ares has lightning, TK, and is durable as shit (WW's sword crumbled ash on his skin).

Originally posted by juggerman
Steppen twice. Ares was not on his level

Imo Ares was more impressive.
Lightning alone could possibly kill Steppenwolf.
Then he can lift Steppenwolf with tk (he controlled metal like Magneto)
He was shown to be more durable.

I feel like the DCEU villains have gotten steadily less impressive. You had Doomsday, who was a nigh-unstoppable Superman+ level opponent. Then a slight step down with full-powered Enchantress was conjuring up storms that was devastating huge areas, blasting apart satellites in orbit etc. Then Ares, who seemed like Magneto with super strength and such. And then Steppenwolf, who was basically a big brick with an axe.

The villains have become steadily more mediocre as the films have progressed IMO.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ares has lightning, TK, and is durable as shit (WW's sword crumbled ash on his skin).

Why is some random sword crumbling to ash impressive?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I feel like the DCEU villains have gotten steadily less impressive. You had Doomsday, who was a nigh-unstoppable Superman+ level opponent. Then a slight step down with full-powered Enchantress was conjuring up storms that was devastating huge areas, blasting apart satellites in orbit etc. Then Ares, who seemed like Magneto with super strength and such. And then Steppenwolf, who was basically a big brick with an axe.

The villains have become steadily more mediocre as the films have progressed IMO.

Yeah, they are either over powered and retarded, or under powered and retarded.

Except for Zod, he was cool.

the villains had potential to be REAL bad but dc messed things up; uncle stepps axe was EASILY cut in two DD had his limbs sliced from a sword we know nothing about&ares was completely obliterated by redirected lightening.
Its hard to really debate them in a fight.
well lemme just say uncle stepp wins this.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Yeah, they are either over powered and retarded, or under powered and retarded.

Except for Zod, he was cool.

Even Zod wasn't handled that great. I mean, he's supposed to be one of the greatest warriors of his race and then he gets outfought by a scientist and a farmboy whose never been in a fight in his life.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Even Zod wasn't handled that great. I mean, he's supposed to be one of the greatest warriors of his race and then he gets outfought by a scientist and a farmboy whose never been in a fight in his life.


Well the farm boy was clearly better at using his powers.

The scientist made no sense though.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well the farm boy was clearly better at using his powers.

The scientist made no sense though.

Yes but they didn't show that. We didn't see Zod outskilling Clark like Faora did, neither did we see Clark beat Zod due to better mastery of his powers.

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with you. Just saying that we concluded Clark won via better mastery of his powers because that's the only logic that would make sense. But it certainly wasn't shown in their fight. Clark was matching Zod blow for blow.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes but they didn't show that. We didn't see Zod outskilling Clark like Faora did, neither did we see Clark beat Zod due to better mastery of his powers.

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with you. Just saying that we concluded Clark won via better mastery of his powers because that's the only logic that would make sense. But it certainly wasn't shown in their fight. Clark was matching Zod blow for blow.
yeah its called classic DCEU. At least now.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes but they didn't show that. We didn't see Zod outskilling Clark like Faora did, neither did we see Clark beat Zod due to better mastery of his powers.

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with you. Just saying that we concluded Clark won via better mastery of his powers because that's the only logic that would make sense. But it certainly wasn't shown in their fight. Clark was matching Zod blow for blow.

Agreed. Made no sense how Zod lost every encounter from Krypton to Earth in which he fought. Zod's losses were explained thru thematic and expository elements in the MoS, not shown feats.

Cinemasins pointed out in their Superman (maybe Superman II?) critique video that Jor-El giving the final sentence to banish Terrence Stamp and crew didn't make sense as he was just a scientist as well, not a judge.

...Wasn't WW like Kryptonite to Ares????

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes but they didn't show that. We didn't see Zod outskilling Clark like Faora did, neither did we see Clark beat Zod due to better mastery of his powers.

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with you. Just saying that we concluded Clark won via better mastery of his powers because that's the only logic that would make sense. But it certainly wasn't shown in their fight. Clark was matching Zod blow for blow.


I mean I assume that just due to the fact that the other Krptonians could not fly.

Took Zod time to utilise speed and even heat vision.

So based on that even when he could use those 2 powers, Im gonna assume Kal was still the better adept at using his abilities.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I mean I assume that just due to the fact that the other Krptonians could not fly.

Took Zod time to utilise speed and even heat vision.

So based on that even when he could use those 2 powers, Im gonna assume Kal was still the better adept at using his abilities.

That's what I'm saying. We're assuming. Once Zod fully unlocked all his powers he was fighting pretty much the same way Kal was. They didn't show us that Zod was more skilled nor that Kal's power mastery was giving him the edge. At least with the Kal vs. Faora fight we saw that Superman had more powers at his disposal whereas Faora was outskilling him in a straight fight.

Originally posted by h1a8
Imo Ares was more impressive.
Lightning alone could possibly kill Steppenwolf.
Then he can lift Steppenwolf with tk (he controlled metal like Magneto)
He was shown to be more durable.

In JL we see Steppenwolf (and Parademons I guess) fighting against Amazons, Atlanteans, Green Lanterns, and literal Olympian Gods. Zeus AND Ares were both present and neither was able to beat Steppenwolf himself. He was only defeated cuz they stopped the boxes from converging. So If Ares was his better, the rest wouldn't be needed.

And I know it was an all out war but the Parademons weren't all that so you'd think that the best fighters would target Steppen yet none were able to put him down. He is clearly intended to be superior to the old gods be quite a margen

It would be interesting to see how Steppenwolf handles Ares' projectiles. Does he simply tank them?

Probably bulldoze and hurdle through them on his way to physically **** Ares up.

Originally posted by juggerman
In JL we see Steppenwolf (and Parademons I guess) fighting against Amazons, Atlanteans, Green Lanterns, and literal Olympian Gods. Zeus AND Ares were both present and neither was able to beat Steppenwolf himself. He was only defeated cuz they stopped the boxes from converging. So If Ares was his better, the rest wouldn't be needed.

And I know it was an all out war but the Parademons weren't all that so you'd think that the best fighters would target Steppen yet none were able to put him down. He is clearly intended to be superior to the old gods be quite a margen That implies that he is resistant against lightning.
Since Ares and Zeus are about lightning.
But what defense does Step have against being lifted by his armor? He can't fly.

Originally posted by h1a8
That implies that he is resistant against lightning.
Since Ares and Zeus are about lightning.
But what defense does Step have against being lifted by his armor? He can't fly.

Why wouldn't he be? I mean he took what the JL dished out and was still chipping them except Superman. Wonder Woman is superior to Ares and she couldn't beat Steppenwolf on her own.

You're assuming he can or would do that when he hasn't shown it. He didn't do it to Diana and he didn't do it to Steppenwolf when he arrived on Earth the first time. Besides as I stated they couldn't put him down when they had an army, Ares isn't doing it on his lonesome

Ares was weak sauce tbh. Steppenwolf wrecks him.

Originally posted by juggerman
Why wouldn't he be? I mean he took what the JL dished out and was still chipping them except Superman. Wonder Woman is superior to Ares and she couldn't beat Steppenwolf on her own.

You're assuming he can or would do that when he hasn't shown it. He didn't do it to Diana and he didn't do it to Steppenwolf when he arrived on Earth the first time. Besides as I stated they couldn't put him down when they had an army, Ares isn't doing it on his lonesome

ABC logic does not work if one character has a defense against tactics that another character doesn't. If WW didn't have her braces the lightning would have kill her.

I don't see Steppenwolf doing what Ares did with WW's sword. I'm sorry, but Ares is superior in every way using on screen feats.

I don't see how Steppenwolf could prevent from being impaled or lifted in the air by Ares. The lightning should kill Steppenwolf.

Steppenwolf had an army. He didn't fight everyone on his own.

Originally posted by h1a8
ABC logic does not work if one character has a defense against tactics that another character doesn't. If WW didn't have her braces the lightning would have kill her.

I don't see Steppenwolf doing what Ares did with WW's sword. I'm sorry, but Ares is superior in every way using on screen feats.

I don't see how Steppenwolf could prevent from being impaled or lifted in the air by Ares. The lightning should kill Steppenwolf.

Steppenwolf had an army. He didn't fight everyone on his own.

ABC logic is quite useful at times when we see how characters stack up to each other. WW with a team couldn't beat SW but her on her own beat Ares. Says quite a lot

Why not? There was nothing at all special about that sword.

Speculation. If Ares was above Steppen then what stopped him and Zeus and others from killing him before?

Ares had an army as well. And don't act like Parademons would have stopped him since they didn't even stop Batman

Originally posted by juggerman
ABC logic is quite useful at times when we see how characters stack up to each other. WW with a team couldn't beat SW but her on her own beat Ares. Says quite a lot

Why not? There was nothing at all special about that sword.

Speculation. If Ares was above Steppen then what stopped him and Zeus and others from killing him before?

Ares had an army as well. And don't act like Parademons would have stopped him since they didn't even stop Batman

Reread my first sentence. We use on screen feats.
WW would have lost to Ares if she did not have bracers. The lightning would have fried her.

The sword was most likely more durable than a man made sword.
At worse (the sword is a normal steel) then the feat is still above Steppenwolf.

The lightning will kill Steppenwolf.

Prove it, loser.

Originally posted by h1a8
Reread my first sentence. We use on screen feats.
WW would have lost to Ares if she did not have bracers. The lightning would have fried her.

The sword was most likely more durable than a man made sword.
At worse (the sword is a normal steel) then the feat is still above Steppenwolf.

The lightning will kill Steppenwolf.

On screen, Ares lost to Wonder Woman by herself. On screen, Wonder Woman needed help to fight Steppenwolf and still couldn't end him.

The sword is a normal sword unless otherwise stated. Steppenwolf took WAY more than a simple sword attack and was fine. There is nothing to say it would have harmed him

Prove it.

Originally posted by juggerman
On screen, Ares lost to Wonder Woman by herself. On screen, Wonder Woman needed help to fight Steppenwolf and still couldn't end him.

The sword is a normal sword unless otherwise stated. Steppenwolf took WAY more than a simple sword attack and was fine. There is nothing to say it would have harmed him

Prove it.

Ares lost to plot device. He would have killed WW if she didn't have bracers.
What are you not understanding? ABC logic doesn't work here.
Steppenwolf can't utilize the same device.

Do you know about pressure?
Pressure =Force /Area
The pressure on Ares hand was phenomenal, even if it was a normal sword.

There is no showing by Steppenwolf that proves he can do the same.
Steppenwolf didn't casually get a sword broken on his skin.


That's moot anyway, Steppenwolf has no answer for
1. Magnetic control of Steppenwolf armor
2. Lightning

Originally posted by h1a8
Ares lost to plot device. He would have killed WW if she didn't have bracers.
What are you not understanding? ABC logic doesn't work here.
Steppenwolf can't utilize the same device.

Do you know about pressure?
Pressure =Force /Area
The pressure on Ares hand was phenomenal, even if it was a normal sword.

There is no showing by Steppenwolf that proves he can do the same.
Steppenwolf didn't casually get a sword broken on his skin.


That's moot anyway, Steppenwolf has no answer for
1. Magnetic control of Steppenwolf armor
2. Lightning

Look man everything points to Steppenwolf being superior. Nothing shows that Steppenwolf would be harmed by that lightning

Ares is a magical being. You clearly see what looks like heat emitting from his hand. That wasn't a strength or durability feat. Nice try though

Steppenwolf eats Ares' lunch. Ares, his dad and countless others couldn't beat him in a combined effort. Ares loses on his own

H1 hasn't seen the movie, so you have to make allowances for his ignorance.

H1 no one respects you.

So you admit you were wrong? That's progress. But here you are speculating. 1. He took Superman's heat vision without being cut through and 2. Ares never uses that "heat" palm in fights that we see so why are you assuming he would against Steppenwolf?

There is no proof it would harm him either. This guy took shots from every member of the JL and suffered no lasting damage. Please explain why his lightning, that doesn't have great feats btw, would harm him?

On screen Steppenwolf > Wonder Woman > Ares

When did he use that to lift and/or control opponents? Again it seems like you are trying to dictate how he would use his power instead of how he actually uses them in combat

Originally posted by h1a8
ABC logic does not work if one character has a defense against tactics that another character doesn't. If WW didn't have her braces the lightning would have kill her.

I don't see Steppenwolf doing what Ares did with WW's sword. I'm sorry, but Ares is superior in every way using on screen feats.

I don't see how Steppenwolf could prevent from being impaled or lifted in the air by Ares. The lightning should kill Steppenwolf.

Steppenwolf had an army. He didn't fight everyone on his own.

Why do you keep acting like the sword is some special item? It wasn't lol. WW was *told* it was special. It was just a sword.

H1a8, forget the YouTube clips. Just watch the actual movie and then you will understand the sword had no special properties.

Originally posted by Surtur
Why do you keep acting like the sword is some special item? It wasn't lol. WW was *told* it was special. It was just a sword.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
H1a8, forget the YouTube clips. Just watch the actual movie and then you will understand the sword had no special properties.

I'm not pushing that agenda currently. For the sake of argument, I assumed that the sword was normal tempered steel. My current argument is based on such.

Originally posted by juggerman
So you admit you were wrong? That's progress. But here you are speculating. 1. He took Superman's heat vision without being cut through and 2. Ares never uses that "heat" palm in fights that we see so why are you assuming he would against Steppenwolf?

There is no proof it would harm him either. This guy took shots from every member of the JL and suffered no lasting damage. Please explain why his lightning, that doesn't have great feats btw, would harm him?

On screen Steppenwolf > Wonder Woman > Ares

When did he use that to lift and/or control opponents? Again it seems like you are trying to dictate how he would use his power instead of how he actually uses them in combat

Steppenwolf taking the hv without damage would actually be a good feat for him. I need to see it again. Can you post the scene?
Nevermind, I just saw it.

But we still have
1. Lightning
2. Control of metals (can levitate Step)
3. Ares can fly and has the range and mobility advantage
4.Cutting weapons (like Hela)

Originally posted by h1a8
Steppenwolf taking the hv without damage would actually be a good feat for him. I need to see it again. Can you post the scene?
Nevermind, I just saw it.

But we still have
1. Lightning
2. Control of metals (can levitate Step)
3. Ares can fly and has the range and mobility advantage
4.Cutting weapons (like Hela)

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I did read it I just missed that one sentence.

Originally posted by h1a8
But we still have
1. Lightning
2. Control of metals (can levitate Step)
3. Ares can fly and has the range and mobility advantage
4.Cutting weapons (like Hela)

1. Again Superman's heat vision shows us he can take extreme heat point blank with no real lasting damage. Not seeing what Ares' lightning would do
2. Who has Ares levitated? Why didn't he use that power against Diana? Seems like you are giving him abilities he's never shown
3. The entire JL has mobility in spades yet Steppenwolf could strike them all (except Superman)
4. Not seeing what stabbing weapons are going to do when Superman's punches didn't even break his skin

Originally posted by juggerman
I did read it I just missed that one sentence.



1. Again Superman's heat vision shows us he can take extreme heat point blank with no real lasting damage. Not seeing what Ares' lightning would do
2. Who has Ares levitated? Why didn't he use that power against Diana? Seems like you are giving him abilities he's never shown
3. The entire JL has mobility in spades yet Steppenwolf could strike them all (except Superman)
4. Not seeing what stabbing weapons are going to do when Superman's punches didn't even break his skin

1. A lightning bolt carries 1 billion joules of energy. It lasts for about 10-50 microseconds. That 20 trillion watts of power. The air surrounding the lightning bolt is heated to over 3 times the temperature of the surface of the Sun. Now here's the kicker. Ares channels lightning for over 3 seconds. This lightning will have over 60 trillion joules of energy and will have heat of over 3 times the temperature of the sun on Steppenwolf body for over 3 seconds.
If something can heat something else to over 3 times the temperature of the Sun in 50 microseconds then it is far hotter than that.

2. Ares has that capability as he has lifted large amounts of metal in the air. You can argue character, but certainly not capability. Ares primarily strategy was playing keep away while trying to bombard WW. He could easily think of such a common sense tactic if
A. Steppenwolf proves to be too much as a physical threat
B. Lightning, heat, and metal projectiles does nothing to Ares

3. Only Superman used flight mobility against Steppenwolf. Cyborg used it to escape but not to fight. Steppenwolf is a slow brick. Ares could just stay in the air and ranged and constantly bombard him.

4. You may have a point here. But It's iffy since it's fair to believe that Steppenwolf can be cut by a sword. I'll think about it and get back with you here.

Gross.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. A lightning bolt carries 1 billion joules of energy. It lasts for about 10-50 microseconds. That 20 trillion watts of power. The air surrounding the lightning bolt is heated to over 3 times the temperature of the surface of the Sun. Now here's the kicker. Ares channels lightning for over 3 seconds. This lightning will have over 60 trillion joules of energy and will have heat of over 3 times the temperature of the sun on Steppenwolf body for over 3 seconds.
If something can heat something else to over 3 times the temperature of the Sun in 50 microseconds then it is far hotter than that.

2. Ares has that capability as he has lifted large amounts of metal in the air. You can argue character, but certainly not capability. Ares primarily strategy was playing keep away while trying to bombard WW. He could easily think of such a common sense tactic if
A. Steppenwolf proves to be too much as a physical threat
B. Lightning, heat, and metal projectiles does nothing to Ares

3. Only Superman used flight mobility against Steppenwolf. Cyborg used it to escape but not to fight. Steppenwolf is a slow brick. Ares could just stay in the air and ranged and constantly bombard him.

4. You may have a point here. But It's iffy since it's fair to believe that Steppenwolf can be cut by a sword. I'll think about it and get back with you here.

1. You're assuming that Ares' magical lightning has the same properties as natural lighting and there is no reason to think that.

2. We have no idea why he was able to lift up random scraps of metal but not the metal on Diana. Perhaps he can only control certain metals. Either way in character he doesn't use his power in that way

3.Steppenwolf isn't slow. He can jump far as hell and is mobile as well. Again we look at Wonder Woman since she fought both. Steppenwolf was able to fight against her even though she's fast as hell

4. Its not that its impossible to pierce him, its that Ares might not be have the ability to produce the force needed to do so

Originally posted by juggerman
1. You're assuming that Ares' magical lightning has the same properties as natural lighting and there is no reason to think that.

2. We have no idea why he was able to lift up random scraps of metal but not the metal on Diana. Perhaps he can only control certain metals. Either way in character he doesn't use his power in that way

3.Steppenwolf isn't slow. He can jump far as hell and is mobile as well. Again we look at Wonder Woman since she fought both. Steppenwolf was able to fight against her even though she's fast as hell

4. Its not that its impossible to pierce him, its that Ares might not be have the ability to produce the force needed to do so

1. There's every reason to think that. He obtained the lightning by drawing it from REAL clouds. There is no evidence to suggest that The writer wants the viewer to think Ares lightning is weaker than natural occurring lightning.

2. He didn't attempt to control the metal on Diana due to PIS. The writer obviously didn't think of that.

3. He is slow. Look at how he swings the axe. He jumps fast because it's impossible to jump slow. Steppenwolf keeping up with WW is the same reason MANY characters keep up with characters they are not suppose to. PIS is the reason. WW can't be faster than bullets and significantly slower than bullets at the same time. That would be a contradiction.

4. Ares restrained a WW that could lift a tank with metal. It takes a very small fraction of force to pierce something with a sharp point than it takes to pierce something with a blunt surface.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. There's every reason to think that. He obtained the lightning by drawing it from REAL clouds. There is no evidence to suggest that The writer wants the viewer to think Ares lightning is weaker than natural occurring lightning.

2. He didn't attempt to control the metal on Diana due to PIS. The writer obviously didn't think of that.

3. He is slow. Look at how he swings the axe. He jumps fast because it's impossible to jump slow. Steppenwolf keeping up with WW is the same reason MANY characters keep up with characters they are not suppose to. PIS is the reason. WW can't be faster than bullets and significantly slower than bullets at the same time. That would be a contradiction.

4. Ares restrained a WW that could lift a tank with metal. It takes a very small fraction of force to pierce something with a sharp point than it takes to pierce something with a blunt surface.

1. He lifts his hand up and creates a bolt of lightning, but we don't see it come from "REAL clouds". Plus after he tossed it, Diana had time to speak a full sentence before attempting to block it. Clearly you don't need to be a speedster to dodge or block that slow ass lightning bolt

2. I'm not sure he could have anyway. If the writer didn't intend for him to use his power in a specific way then he probably isn't able to do it

3. Everything Ares did was slow. During the fight with Diana, they cut to Steve and friends for long periods of time while Ares did jack shit but whip some wind around. His strikes were slow and even his projectiles were slow. He made like 50 knives and 2 big swords and then flew at Diana, and took like 2 years to reach her. He fights head on and would get rocked by the New God

4. I understand that but Ares stabbing pointy things with his arms and him doing so with his metal tossing power are two different things. And again Steppenwolf could easily block and dodge since they didn't go that fast

Originally posted by juggerman
1. He lifts his hand up and creates a bolt of lightning, but we don't see it come from "REAL clouds". Plus after he tossed it, Diana had time to speak a full sentence before attempting to block it. Clearly you don't need to be a speedster to dodge or block that slow ass lightning bolt

2. I'm not sure he could have anyway. If the writer didn't intend for him to use his power in a specific way then he probably isn't able to do it

3. Everything Ares did was slow. During the fight with Diana, they cut to Steve and friends for long periods of time while Ares did jack shit but whip some wind around. His strikes were slow and even his projectiles were slow. He made like 50 knives and 2 big swords and then flew at Diana, and took like 2 years to reach her. He fights head on and would get rocked by the New God

4. I understand that but Ares stabbing pointy things with his arms and him doing so with his metal tossing power are two different things. And again Steppenwolf could easily block and dodge since they didn't go that fast

1. The final bolt was from the clouds. Steppenwolf is not a speedster. Ares can stay ranged and take his time absorbing a vast amount of energy and shoot it at Steppenwolf. When Ares shoots the bolt it comes out fast.

2. Wrong! It's common sense that writer's don't think of everything when they write. We have to use logic here. Ares can control metal. He can control many elements actually (fire, lightning, wind, metal, etc.).

3. There were a few times Ares acted insanely fast. But it doesn't matter if he stays ranged.

4. Steppenwolf can't block multiple objects simultaneously. He swings his axe once per 2 seconds.

Also, Ares is very strong. He physically knocked WW equal or more distance that Steppenwolf every knocked her.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. The final bolt was from the clouds. Steppenwolf is not a speedster. Ares can stay ranged and take his time absorbing a vast amount of energy and shoot it at Steppenwolf. When Ares shoots the bolt it comes out fast.

2. Wrong! It's common sense that writer's don't think of everything when they write. We have to use logic here. Ares can control metal. He can control many elements actually (fire, lightning, wind, metal, etc.).

3. There were a few times Ares acted insanely fast. But it doesn't matter if he stays ranged.

4. Steppenwolf can't block multiple objects simultaneously. He swings his axe once per 2 seconds.

Also, Ares is very strong. He physically knocked WW equal or more distance that Steppenwolf every knocked her.

1. I never said he was a speedster. I said he doesn't have to be to dodge that bolt. It was slow as hell man, don't make things up. It was nowhere near as fast as natural lightning

2. There are always limits to powers. You're speculating a lot here. What we do know is that Ares has NEVER used his power than way so we shouldn't just assume he would here. It's simple

3. So are we to take 1-2 showings over all the others? Based on his average showing he gets rocked

4. Watch the beginning of the Ares/Diana fight. It takes Ares quite a bit to start throwing things around and it starts with small stuff. While he's building it up he gets decapitated

Originally posted by juggerman
1. I never said he was a speedster. I said he doesn't have to be to dodge that bolt. It was slow as hell man, don't make things up. It was nowhere near as fast as natural lightning

2. There are always limits to powers. You're speculating a lot here. What we do know is that Ares has NEVER used his power than way so we shouldn't just assume he would here. It's simple

3. So are we to take 1-2 showings over all the others? Based on his average showing he gets rocked

4. Watch the beginning of the Ares/Diana fight. It takes Ares quite a bit to start throwing things around and it starts with small stuff. While he's building it up he gets decapitated

1. The lightning was far faster than Steppenwolf. That's all that matters.

2. There is 0 speculation. If a person has shown an ability then it is assumed that they can do that ability. Ares can control metal with tons of force. Steppenwolf has metal armor and axe. Ares has the capability of lifting Steppenwolf with his armor on.

3. The average would be in between. Therefore much faster than Steppenwolf. But again it doesn't matter as Ares would stay ranged.

4. Then in the end, when he gets serious, he instantly start throwing tons of stuff without hesitation. You can pick the worst over the best. In this forum most posters represent characters at their best (not even average).

Steppenwolf > Wonder Woman > Ares.

Its really that simple.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Steppenwolf > Wonder Woman > Ares.

Its really that simple.

No its not.

WW >>>Ares because of bracers
Without the bracers Ares >>>WW

This is a rock paper scissors thing. Not an ABC thing.

Ares has several ways to kill Steppenwolf.

Nah.

Originally posted by h1a8
No its not.

WW >>>Ares because of bracers
Without the bracers Ares >>>WW

This is a rock paper scissors thing. Not an ABC thing.

Ares has several ways to kill Steppenwolf.


She uses her brackets against both Ares and Steppenwolf, so I dont see the issue.

Steppenwolf would decimate Ares.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. The lightning was far faster than Steppenwolf. That's all that matters.

2. There is 0 speculation. If a person has shown an ability then it is assumed that they can do that ability. Ares can control metal with tons of force. Steppenwolf has metal armor and axe. Ares has the capability of lifting Steppenwolf with his armor on.

3. The average would be in between. Therefore much faster than Steppenwolf. But again it doesn't matter as Ares would stay ranged.

4. Then in the end, when he gets serious, he instantly start throwing tons of stuff without hesitation. You can pick the worst over the best. In this forum most posters represent characters at their best (not even average).

1. Negative. Wonder Woman never had as much down time fighting Steppenwolf as she did waiting for that bolt to meander on over to her

2. Everything Ares lifted with his powers, Steppenwolf could lift with pure strength. Prove Ares' power is enough to rip his weapons from his grasp

3. No the average is closer to which one occurs more often. And Ares staying ranged is OOC. If you want to argue power sets then that's a different conversation

4. You don't know that he can. It seems like he needs some time to build it up. He dies shortly after the fight starts

Originally posted by juggerman
1. Negative. Wonder Woman never had as much down time fighting Steppenwolf as she did waiting for that bolt to meander on over to her

2. Everything Ares lifted with his powers, Steppenwolf could lift with pure strength. Prove Ares' power is enough to rip his weapons from his grasp

3. No the average is closer to which one occurs more often. And Ares staying ranged is OOC. If you want to argue power sets then that's a different conversation

4. You don't know that he can. It seems like he needs some time to build it up. He dies shortly after the fight starts

1. The lightning travels from Ares hand to WW in the blink of an eye. It's slow to summon from the sky but quick to shoot forward. Also Ares sent power through the lasso and phucked WW up for a moment.

2. No, Ares will levitate Steppenwolf, not rip his armor from him.

3. You are now arguing from a bias standpoint. You just failed being objective. Do you know why? Because of your first word, "No".
I stated the word "INBETWEEN" and you say, "NO". Think about it. Ares stayed ranged during at least half of the fight. You are crazy to say OOC. He threw lightning, metal objects, used wind, etc. from a distance. WW kept trying to close the distance several times.

4. Steppenwolf hit WW several times and sent her flying. She wasn't damaged. So it's fair to assume that Steppenwolf needs many hits to beat Ares. With that said, Ares sent shit flying at WW instantly (after he already had them ready to go). Remember battle distance is sufficient for Ares to summon lightning and shit.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. The lightning travels from Ares hand to WW in the blink of an eye. It's slow to summon from the sky but quick to shoot forward. Also Ares sent power through the lasso and phucked WW up for a moment.

2. No, Ares will levitate Steppenwolf, not rip his armor from him.

3. You are now arguing from a bias standpoint. You just failed being objective. Do you know why? Because of your first word, "No".
I stated the word "INBETWEEN" and you say, "NO". Think about it. Ares stayed ranged during at least half of the fight. You are crazy to say OOC. He threw lightning, metal objects, used wind, etc. from a distance. WW kept trying to close the distance several times.

4. Steppenwolf hit WW several times and sent her flying. She wasn't damaged. So it's fair to assume that Steppenwolf needs many hits to beat Ares. With that said, Ares sent shit flying at WW instantly (after he already had them ready to go). Remember battle distance is sufficient for Ares to summon lightning and shit.

1. Watch the scene again. He creates a bolt and tosses it. Wonder Woman is walking slowly towards him, speaks a full slow sentence before blocking it. If it moved anywhere near as fast as natural lightning she wouldn't have had time for any of that

2. Show him ripping armor from an opponent

3. It seemed like you were trying to claim it would be directly in the middle, while it would really be on the lower end.

4. Wonder Woman was able to block the axe while Ares can't. He dies

Yeah just have to see the speed and distances Steppenwolf leaps at to realise those slow ass lightning bolts likely wont him.

Just have to see him standing up again after taking HV at point blank range to realise even if the Lightning did hit him it likely wouldnt do much.

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Originally posted by juggerman
1. Watch the scene again. He creates a bolt and tosses it. Wonder Woman is walking slowly towards him, speaks a full slow sentence before blocking it. If it moved anywhere near as fast as natural lightning she wouldn't have had time for any of that

2. Show him ripping armor from an opponent

3. It seemed like you were trying to claim it would be directly in the middle, while it would really be on the lower end.

4. Wonder Woman was able to block the axe while Ares can't. He dies

1. No, the scene had him talking while he was manipulating lightning. When he shot it forward, it traveled to her nigh instantly.

2. You misunderstood what I wrote.

3. Actually, I disagree. I'm not going to be sandwiched. Most here use a character's best as the standard. I'm not going to change standards back and forth. Also if a character moves at light speed once and at 10mph 3 times then his average would be (lightspeed + 10 +10+10)/3 = large number.
Anyway, a rule is that characters fight to the best (not average) of their ability.

4. No, WW got tagged with the axe without blocking, so did Aquaman. When she blocked, hardly anything happened.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. No, the scene had him talking while he was manipulating lightning. When he shot it forward, it traveled to her nigh instantly.

2. You misunderstood what I wrote.

3. Actually, I disagree. I'm not going to be sandwiched. Most here use a character's best as the standard. I'm not going to change standards back and forth. Also if a character moves at light speed once and at 10mph 3 times then his average would be (lightspeed + 10 +10+10)/3 = large number.
Anyway, a rule is that characters fight to the best (not average) of their ability.

4. No, WW got tagged with the axe without blocking, so did Aquaman. When she blocked, hardly anything happened.

1. Watch it again. He throws it and WW has ages to block

2. If you say so

3. I know you disagree but you're wrong. We use highs and lows yes but you are arguing powerset and not character. Superman can heat vision someone's face off as soon as the bell rings but that's not the way he does things

4. WW >> Ares

Steppenwolf stomps Ares' stupid mastached face into oblivion. He fared far better against WW.

Ares is a disgrace of a villain on par with Doom in Fan4stic.

Originally posted by juggerman
1. Watch it again. He throws it and WW has ages to block

2. If you say so

3. I know you disagree but you're wrong. We use highs and lows yes but you are arguing powerset and not character. Superman can heat vision someone's face off as soon as the bell rings but that's not the way he does things

4. WW >> Ares
1. I'm referring to the 2nd blast.
Anyway, Steppenwolf can't dodge a continuous flow of lightning.
3. What a character does is based off their intelligence. Just because a character does something contrary to their intelligence (not morals) simple implies PIS. But this has nothing to do with "fight to the best of their ability".

4. Only because of the bracers. Thus it's now rock paper scissors logic.

H1 no. Ares is weak compared to Steppenwolf.

Steppenwolf, lol.

Diana showed that she could react to or no-sell all of Ares' attacks, up to his quickest. Steppenwolf seemed at least on par with her in speed and was more formidable overall. He'd avoid or tank Ares' attacks and beat him down. It wouldn't be that close.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. I'm referring to the 2nd blast.
Anyway, Steppenwolf can't dodge a continuous flow of lightning.
3. What a character does is based off their intelligence. Just because a character does something contrary to their intelligence (not morals) simple implies PIS. But this has nothing to do with "fight to the best of their ability".

4. Only because of the bracers. Thus it's now rock paper scissors logic.

1, Oh you mean the one he had to charge up for several seconds and pay full attention to? Yeah, Steppenwolf merks him before he can fire it off

3. Actually, what a character does in a fight shows the way they fight. Ares attacked head on and basically stayed in place unless he was struck. He didn't dodge much. So for you to claim that suddenly he would dodge and keep distance above all else when he hasn't shown that to be his go to fighting style is asinine.

4. WW struck Ares multiple times easily. Steppenwolf needs to do so only once

H1 is to debating is what fly is to social interactions, terrible.