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Fight takes place in New York. Who wins?

So Zod who was a near match for Superman vs. Steppenwolf who got one-shot by Superman?

Well in fairness, the Superman Zod fought was not the same Superman from the Justice League. He was cleary much faster, stronger, and more ruthless after his resurrection. No way MoS Superman would be able to watch Flash running and chase him down when Faora was giving him problems with her speed.

Originally posted by KingD19
Well in fairness, the Superman Zod fought was not the same Superman from the Justice League. He was cleary much faster, stronger, and more ruthless after his resurrection. No way MoS Superman would be able to watch Flash running and chase him down when Faora was giving him problems with her speed.

Fair point. Steppenwolf still loses though.

Zod butchers him

Zod will find a way to lose as he always does.

Originally posted by KingD19
Well in fairness, the Superman Zod fought was not the same Superman from the Justice League. He was cleary much faster, stronger, and more ruthless after his resurrection. No way MoS Superman would be able to watch Flash running and chase him down when Faora was giving him problems with her speed.

The thing is superspeed (on that level) is activated when something is moving that fast already (like a catalyst). Look at Zod from the flash movie. His perceptions were activated to a much higher degree when flash triggered them in his run.

It's fair to say that Zod won't be JL Superman fast against Step but he would be significantly faster just going off Mos feats.

Originally posted by KingD19
He was cleary much faster, stronger, and more ruthless after his resurrection.

Based on what? The Flash showed that even no-name Kryptonians are fast enough to hit Flash.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Based on what? The Flash showed that even no-name Kryptonians are fast enough to hit Flash.


Faora was easily dodging around MOS Superman's shots.
JL Superman was fast enough to almost catch Flash multiple times
A young Flash completely speedblitzed Faora, to the point where Faora stood like a statue while she was stabbed multiple times.

If that Faora was slightly faster than MOS Superman, then it stands to reason that JL Superman was quite faster than MOS Superman.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Faora was easily dodging around MOS Superman's shots.
JL Superman was fast enough to almost catch Flash multiple times
A young Flash completely speedblitzed Faora, to the point where Faora stood like a statue while she was stabbed multiple times.

If that Faora was slightly faster than MOS Superman, then it stands to reason that JL Superman was quite faster than MOS Superman. That's not how it works. It's called fiction inconsistency. If I researched hard enough I can give many examples in fiction where we arrive at contradiction in power levels.

With that said, I agree with you. MOS Superman was slower than JL Superman only because he never got that level of superspeed awakened in him (he definitely has the potential though).
JL Superman was just as fast as MOS UNTIL flash triggered a higher mode of superspeed in him. Now let Flash run around MOS Superman and you will see MOS higher speed get activated.

It's like Faora and the other Kryptonians have the ability to fly IF the discover it or it becomes awakened in them.

Zod beats step, he was scared of ANY Kryptonian iirc and Zod definitely has the same potential as Superman power wise had he the same time frame to develop it

Originally posted by FrothByte
Faora was easily dodging around MOS Superman's shots.
JL Superman was fast enough to almost catch Flash multiple times
A young Flash completely speedblitzed Faora, to the point where Faora stood like a statue while she was stabbed multiple times.

If that Faora was slightly faster than MOS Superman, then it stands to reason that JL Superman was quite faster than MOS Superman.

First of all, Faora has H2H training that Superman lacks. Second, Faora was dodging Superman only until Superman got pissed. Then she needed Nam-Ek's help.

Anyway, Flash couldn't defeat Zod even with Supergirl's help, so you can't call Zod slow.

Originally posted by Psychotron
First of all, Faora has H2H training that Superman lacks. Second, Faora was dodging Superman only until Superman got pissed. Then she needed Nam-Ek's help.

Anyway, Flash couldn't defeat Zod even with Supergirl's help, so you can't call Zod slow.

This is incorrect. Faora was dodging Superman when Superman was trying strike against Faora. After that Superman resorted to grappling with Faora and Namek and that's what allowed Superman to land hits on Faora, since it's pretty hard to use superior speed to dodge someone when they're grappling you.

Even if you disagree with Faora being faster than Superman, you'd still agree that Superman wasn't faster than Faora yes? So there's still no explanation for JL Superman being able to almost keep up with Flash while Faora got speedblitzed other than concluding that Superman got a lot faster between MOS and JL.

As for Zod, I don't believe Flash was trying to defeat Zod rather than simply trying to keep Supergirl alive. I don't remember any scene where Flash directly attacked Zod. In comparison, Flash directly attacked Faora and completely blitzed her.

Originally posted by FrothByte
This is incorrect. Faora was dodging Superman when Superman was trying strike against Faora. After that Superman resorted to grappling with Faora and Namek and that's what allowed Superman to land hits on Faora, since it's pretty hard to use superior speed to dodge someone when they're grappling you.

Even if you disagree with Faora being faster than Superman, you'd still agree that Superman wasn't faster than Faora yes? So there's still no explanation for JL Superman being able to almost keep up with Flash while Faora got speedblitzed other than concluding that Superman got a lot faster between MOS and JL.

As for Zod, I don't believe Flash was trying to defeat Zod rather than simply trying to keep Supergirl alive. I don't remember any scene where Flash directly attacked Zod. In comparison, Flash directly attacked Faora and completely blitzed her.


Lol how is it incorrect? He charged her directly when she gave her evolution speech and she was unable to dodge him. That was when Nam-Ek got involved. He also grabbed her and tried to fly away with her when she was saved by Nam-Ek again. There's just no proof that Faora is faster than Superman. She got some initial advantage due to her superior training, but that's it.

Flash wasn't trying to defeat Zod? Lol wtf kind of nonsense is this? What do you think Flash was doing in that fight? Why was he attacking all the other Kryptonians? Come on, you're not that stupid. He tried using his speed against Zod (with Supergirl's help) and got tagged.

Originally posted by tkitna
Zod will find a way to lose as he always does.

Zod with his sensory weakest and no flight managed to beat Supergirl and both Flashes in one timeline. That Earth became new Krypton.

Now bow before Zod!

Originally posted by Psychotron
Lol how is it incorrect? He charged her directly when she gave her evolution speech and she was unable to dodge him. That was when Nam-Ek got involved. He also grabbed her and tried to fly away with her when she was saved by Nam-Ek again. There's just no proof that Faora is faster than Superman. She got some initial advantage due to her superior training, but that's it.

Flash wasn't trying to defeat Zod? Lol wtf kind of nonsense is this? What do you think Flash was doing in that fight? Why was he attacking all the other Kryptonians? Come on, you're not that stupid. He tried using his speed against Zod (with Supergirl's help) and got tagged.

Yes, Superman used his flight (which Faora conveniently doesn't have) to tackle and grapple her. From there, pretty much all of Superman's attacks that landed on Faora were done within a grappling context. Everytime he tried to strike her from a distance, Faora was able to dodge. It wasn't as simple as Superman simply getting "pissed".

In the end, you're still ignoring the elephant in the room. There's no proof that Superman is faster than Faora. Agreed?

As for Zod, please describe to me any scene in the movie where Flash directly attacked Zod. Go ahead, I'll wait.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, Superman used his flight (which Faora conveniently doesn't have) to tackle and grapple her. From there, pretty much all of Superman's attacks that landed on Faora were done within a grappling context. Everytime he tried to strike her from a distance, Faora was able to dodge. It wasn't as simple as Superman simply getting "pissed".

In the end, you're still ignoring the elephant in the room. There's no proof that Superman is faster than Faora. Agreed?

As for Zod, please describe to me any scene in the movie where Flash directly attacked Zod. Go ahead, I'll wait.

There's no proof that Superman's flight is any faster than his movement on land. In fact, he was mostly on foot when he kept up with Flash.

No, I don't agree. Superman connected with her more than once.

The very first time he tried to save Kara.

Originally posted by Psychotron
There's no proof that Superman's flight is any faster than his movement on land. In fact, he was mostly on foot when he kept up with Flash.

No, I don't agree. Superman connected with her more than once.

The very first time he tried to save Kara.

I just rewatched the fight. The only time Superman actually hits Faora is when he tackled her. Every other attack he made that wasn't dodged were grappling moves.

That said, I see you're still dodging my main question so let me make it more clear: Are you claiming that Superman is faster than Faora?

As for Flash the very first time he tried to save Kara, you're talking about where he ran up a dust cloud to assist Kara? Because that's not Flash directly attacking Zod. I'm asking for an example where he directly attacked Zod like he did Faora.

Originally posted by FrothByte
This is incorrect. Faora was dodging Superman when Superman was trying strike against Faora. After that Superman resorted to grappling with Faora and Namek and that's what allowed Superman to land hits on Faora, since it's pretty hard to use superior speed to dodge someone when they're grappling you.

Even if you disagree with Faora being faster than Superman, you'd still agree that Superman wasn't faster than Faora yes? So there's still no explanation for JL Superman being able to almost keep up with Flash while Faora got speedblitzed other than concluding that Superman got a lot faster between MOS and JL.

As for Zod, I don't believe Flash was trying to defeat Zod rather than simply trying to keep Supergirl alive. I don't remember any scene where Flash directly attacked Zod. In comparison, Flash directly attacked Faora and completely blitzed her.

You forgot that Superman blitzed Faora cleanly (no grappling involved). Zod tapped into his speed because of flash. He slowed time down (just like JL Superman did to match flash). You see flash move significantly slower in this state of mind. Zod is also able to move in relation to flash (not as much because flash is faster but much faster than before).

Also the kryptonians in general were very fast (because flashes were triggering their speed) as explained by Barry (he was getting tagged).

Anyway, the speed must be awakened. It already exists within them (kryptonians)

Originally posted by h1a8
You forgot that Superman blitzed Faora cleanly (no grappling involved). Zod tapped into his speed because of flash. He slowed time down (just like JL Superman did to match flash). You see flash move significantly slower in this state of mind. Zod is also able to move in relation to flash (not as much because flash is faster but much faster than before).

Also the kryptonians in general were very fast (because flashes were triggering their speed) as explained by Barry (he was getting tagged).

Anyway, the speed must be awakened. It already exists within them (kryptonians)

When did Superman ever blitz Faora?

Young Barry only got tagged once by the random Kryptonians, when he first entered the battlefield. After he figured out they were faster than humans, the kryptonians were pretty much just statues to the Flashes.

Originally posted by Robtard
Zod with his sensory weakest and no flight managed to beat Supergirl and both Flashes in one timeline. That Earth became new Krypton.

Now bow before Zod! Kneel

Originally posted by FrothByte
He didn't blitz her. He tackled her once and that was it.

That's a blitz. He flew into her at superspeed.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's a blitz. He flew into her at superspeed.

Being able to land a single hit on someone is not a "blitz", especially if that someone was already able to land multiple hits on them.

Stop using words that you don't know the meaning of.

Originally posted by Robtard
Zod with his sensory weakest and no flight managed to beat Supergirl and both Flashes in one timeline. That Earth became new Krypton.

Now bow before Zod!

Havent seen the Flash movie, but your telling me Zod has actually won a fight finally? Wow. I'm impressed.

Originally posted by tkitna
Havent seen the Flash movie, but your telling me Zod has actually won a fight finally? Wow. I'm impressed. he won it over and over and over, literally ad infinitum.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's a blitz. He flew into her at superspeed.

Wrong. The definition of a "Speed Blitz" is - the act of one attacking their opponent before they are capable of perceiving or reacting to them.

https://media.tenor.com/HWaZ20aot6wAAAAd/makkari-eternals.gif
Makkari vs Ikaris = Speed Bltiz

https://media.tenor.com/SJtRD20KQiwAAAAC/the-incredibles-2004.gif
https://i.gifer.com/7WRt.gif
Dash vs Random Goon = Speed Blitz

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/KindheartedInexperiencedDugong-size_restricted.gif
Quicksilver vs Apocalypse = Speed Blitz


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Superman flying in a straight line and tackling Faora because she had no room to maneuver isn't a Speed Blitz. In the very next scene she dodges his next attack with no problem.

Originally posted by KingD19
Wrong. The definition of a "Speed Blitz" is - the act of one attacking their opponent before they are capable of perceiving or reacting to them.

https://media.tenor.com/HWaZ20aot6wAAAAd/makkari-eternals.gif
Makkari vs Ikaris = Speed Bltiz

https://media.tenor.com/SJtRD20KQiwAAAAC/the-incredibles-2004.gif
https://i.gifer.com/7WRt.gif
Dash vs Random Goon = Speed Blitz

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/KindheartedInexperiencedDugong-size_restricted.gif
Quicksilver vs Apocalypse = Speed Blitz


https://gfycat.com/impartialshabbylacewing
Superman flying in a straight line and tackling Faora because she had no room to maneuver isn't a Speed Blitz. In the very next scene she dodges his next attack with no problem.

Also worth noting that Faora couldn't fly, so Superman had an advantage of mobility there.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Also worth noting that Faora couldn't fly, so Superman had an advantage of mobility there.

Yep. She can only make huge speed dashes n a single direction or big jumps to actually utilize her speed, as at a stand still she can only really bob and weave which doesn't help with someone flying right at your center mass.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The only person trying to make-up their own definition of terms here is you dude. You're the one claiming that simply landing a single hit on a person is already "blitzing" them, even when they themselves got hit multiple times prior to that.

Nobody else would ever agree with that definition. But you go on dreaming like you normally do. "


"Nobody else would ever agree with that definition." Is a false statement.
It's not a good debating tactic to say false statements.
The vast majority of people would agree with me. Just look up the definition yourself. Attack very fast is the key. Attack can be one or many attacks.

But bad debators argue semantics instead of the ACTUAL point being made. Clark attacked her with speed faster than she can respond, when at first she was able to easily evade him. That's the point.

Originally posted by h1a8
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"Nobody else would ever agree with that definition." Is a false statement.
It's not a good debating tactic to say false statements.
The vast majority of people would agree with me. Just look up the definition yourself. Attack very fast is the key. Attack can be one or many attacks.

But bad debators argue semantics instead of the ACTUAL point being made. Clark attacked her with speed faster than she can respond, when at first she was able to easily evade him. That's the point.

Bad debators make stuff up and lie when they don't have a real argument.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Bad debators make stuff up and lie when they don't have a real argument. I didn't make up the dictionary's definition. So what are you talking about.
And what does what the phrase actually mean have to do with the point of the argument?
Superman attacked her faster than she can respond. Whether you call it a blitz or not is irrelevant.

Are we actually arguing as to what a Speed Blitz is? Good lord. Every example posted was a Speed Blitz and it could be other things too. Why waste the energy?

Originally posted by tkitna
Are we actually arguing as to what a Speed Blitz is? Good lord. Every example posted was a Speed Blitz and it could be other things too. Why waste the energy?


maybe h1 needs a blow up doll

When people start arguing semantics proves their argument is weak as hell.

FrothByte was arguing that Faora was significantly faster than Superman at all times. I merely pointed out an instance where he used speed against her and she couldn't respond in time.
Then instead of argue against that point he wants to argue what speed blitz mean. Wtf?
Who cares what you call what Superman did to her. It refutes his statement. That's the point.

Originally posted by h1a8
When people start arguing semantics proves their argument is weak as hell.

FrothByte was arguing that Faora was significantly faster than Superman at all times. I merely pointed out an instance where he used speed against her and she couldn't respond in time.
Then instead of argue against that point he wants to argue what speed blitz mean. Wtf?
Who cares what you call what Superman did to her. It refutes his statement. That's the point.

Please quote me where I specifically said Faora was faster than Superman at all times

You also didn't just point to an instance where Superman was able to hit Faora. You specifically said he blitzed her. Thus why I'm pointing out that you clearly don't know what blitzing someone means.

You trying to back out of your argument is proof that you realize you had a weak argument.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Please quote me where I specifically said Faora was faster than Superman at all times

You also didn't just point to an instance where Superman was able to hit Faora. You specifically said he blitzed her. Thus why I'm pointing out that you clearly don't know what blitzing someone means.

You trying to back out of your argument is proof that you realize you had a weak argument.

So colliding with her (with fists, shoulders, or head) from a distance using great speed is not equivalent to hitting her, especially in reference to reaction times?
Lol


If you read your initial statement with some basic reading comprehension you are basically saying that Faora was always faster than Superman.

If she wasn't then that contradicts your whole point.
Do you understand?

Originally posted by h1a8
So colliding with her (with fists, shoulders, or head) from a distance using great speed is not equivalent to hitting her, especially in reference to reaction times?
Lol


If you read your initial statement with some basic reading comprehension you are basically saying that Faora was always faster than Superman.

If she wasn't then that contradicts your whole point.
Do you understand?

If you actually read my statements, I said Faora was dodging Superman's shots other than the times Superman grappled with her.

Now please go and read what I actually said before you make more stuff up.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If you actually read my statements, I said Faora was dodging Superman's shots other than the times Superman grappled with her.

Now please go and read what I actually said before you make more stuff up.

1. You concede the point about Superman hitting her (you claimed he didn't). Good!

2. If Superman wasn't faster than her at any time then that destroys your point. You can try to weasel out by telling me what you didn't say exactly. So what is it? Faora was always faster than Superman or Superman was faster than Faora at a time? If the latter then your point is defeated. Concession accepted

Originally posted by h1a8
1. You concede the point about Superman hitting her (you claimed he didn't). Good!

2. If Superman wasn't faster than her at any time then that destroys your point. You can try to weasel out by telling me what you didn't say exactly. So what is it? Faora was always faster than Superman or Superman was faster than Faora at a time? If the latter then your point is defeated. Concession accepted

1. It depends on whether you consider grappling attacks as "hits". Because I've been clear since the very beginning that Superman couldn't land strikes on Faora but that he was able to lay a hand on her via grappling attacks. My stance on this has not changed one bit, so I have conceded nothing.

2. You do realize that simply being faster than someone doesn't mean they'll never be able to land any kind of attack on you, yes? My claim was that Faora is faster than Superman, not that she was completely blitzing the hell out of him. Same way Ali is faster than Foreman or Mayweather is faster than Canelo. There was a clear difference in speed between these opponents but that doesn't mean they were completely unhittable.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. It depends on whether you consider grappling attacks as "hits". Because I've been clear since the very beginning that Superman couldn't land strikes on Faora but that he was able to lay a hand on her via grappling attacks. My stance on this has not changed one bit, so I have conceded nothing.

2. You do realize that simply being faster than someone doesn't mean they'll never be able to land any kind of attack on you, yes? My claim was that Faora is faster than Superman, not that she was completely blitzing the hell out of him. Same way Ali is faster than Foreman or Mayweather is faster than Canelo. There was a clear difference in speed between these opponents but that doesn't mean they were completely unhittable.

1. He collided with her at full speed. Where's the grab? No grab was shown.
Also his arms were extended forward with fists made as he flew into her. He most likely struck her with his fists. But Assuming his shoulder collided with her instead (and not his fists), he could have just as easily made his fists collide instead.

2. You claimed she was faster because Superman couldn't land a blow. But According to your recent statement : being faster doesnt mean the slower can't land an attack.

Bottomline: your original premise to conclusion is that since Superman is too slow to land a blow on her he's therefore slower.
This argument is faulty because Superman did land a blow on her.

Then you want to try to change the goalposts lol.
Go ahead and continue to change your argument up. That's proof of bias. We shouldn't debate to win a debate. We debate to ascertain the truth.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. He collided with her at full speed. Where's the grab? No grab was shown.
Also his arms were extended forward with fists made as he flew into her. He most likely struck her with his fists. But Assuming his shoulder collided with her instead (and not his fists), he could have just as easily made his fists collide instead.

2. You claimed she was faster because Superman couldn't land a blow. But According to your recent statement : being faster doesnt mean the slower can't land an attack.

Bottomline: your original premise to conclusion is that since Superman is too slow to land a blow on her he's therefore slower.
This argument is faulty because Superman did land a blow on her.

Then you want to try to change the goalposts lol.
Go ahead and continue to change your argument up. That's proof of bias. We shouldn't debate to win a debate. We debate to ascertain the truth.

1. A tackle is a grappling attack. Especially when they're stuck together for a bit, body-on-body and moving together as was shown. Only an idiot would try argue otherwise. Are you an idiot?

2. Yes, I claimed Superman couldn't land a blow as in a strike. I said all the attacks of his that landed were grappling attacks. Not saying he would never be able to land a blow, I'm just describing what exactly is shown on screen. Based on that, yes, Faora is faster than Superman. Nothing you've said to this point has countered my argument.

Show me a scene where Superman landed strikes on Faora (and not grappling attacks) then we can have a discussion. Till then, I'm not interested in playing word gymnastics with you.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. A tackle is a grappling attack. Especially when they're stuck together for a bit, body-on-body and moving together as was shown. Only an idiot would try argue otherwise. Are you an idiot?

2. Yes, I claimed Superman couldn't land a blow as in a strike. I said all the attacks of his that landed were grappling attacks. Not saying he would never be able to land a blow, I'm just describing what exactly is shown on screen. Based on that, yes, Faora is faster than Superman. Nothing you've said to this point has countered my argument.

Show me a scene where Superman landed strikes on Faora (and not grappling attacks) then we can have a discussion. Till then, I'm not interested in playing word gymnastics with you.

1. You have to actually grab in order to grapple. You know, wrap your arms (or hands) around something. Superman flew into her with his fists forward. He most likely collided with his fists, at worst his shoulder. There was no grabbing shown.
Now you can speculate that he grabbed her after his collision with his shoulder (or fists).

2. So if Superman flew into her with his fists instead of grapple her (as you say) then you are telling me that he wouldn't have succeeded in striking her? Mind you, she didn't even respond at all to the whole thing. She just stood there like a sitting duck.

I finally watched The Flash and Zod would beat the piss out of Steppenwolf. Zod repeatedly tagged and even caught younger Barry by the throat at one point when he kept going back to try and save Kara. The speed difference here is so vast that Steppenwolf would never lay a finger on Zod.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. You have to actually grab in order to grapple. You know, wrap your arms (or hands) around something. Superman flew into her with his fists forward. He most likely collided with his fists, at worst his shoulder. There was no grabbing shown.
Now you can speculate that he grabbed her after his collision with his shoulder (or fists).

2. So if Superman flew into her with his fists instead of grapple her (as you say) then you are telling me that he wouldn't have succeeded in striking her? Mind you, she didn't even respond at all to the whole thing. She just stood there like a sitting duck.

You ever try to bob and weave around someone trying to tackle you? Try it out, then you'll understand the difference. Till then, maybe shut-up about stuff you clearly don't know anything about.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You ever try to bob and weave around someone trying to tackle you? Try it out, then you'll understand the difference. Till then, maybe shut-up about stuff you clearly don't know anything about. What does Bob and weave have to do with someone FLYING into you with their fists?

If Faora was faster then she could have zipped sideways a few feet away and avoided the collision altogether.

Imagine someone flying at someone else in slow motion. The standing person doesn't move the whole time. It's like they are frozen. You telling me that if the flying person chose to make initial contact with their fists vs their shoulder or bicep then the frozen person would somehow become unfrozen and zip to the side? And somehow they couldn't become unfrozen when a bicep or shoulder is headed towards them instead?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Kneel

Egg on my face!

Didn't read back, but is H1 arguing that Steppenwolf beats Zod now? Cos lol.

Originally posted by h1a8
What does Bob and weave have to do with someone FLYING into you with their fists?

If Faora was faster then she could have zipped sideways a few feet away and avoided the collision altogether.

Imagine someone flying at someone else in slow motion. The standing person doesn't move the whole time. It's like they are frozen. You telling me that if the flying person chose to make initial contact with their fists vs their shoulder or bicep then the frozen person would somehow become unfrozen and zip to the side? And somehow they couldn't become unfrozen when a bicep or shoulder is headed towards them instead?

Thank you for admitting you have no idea what the difference is between punching someone and tackling them, nor do you seem to understand what bobbing and weaving is used for.

I suggest you learn these things first before making a fool of yourself further. Hint: tackling someone while you have your fists outstretched is not a punch.

Originally posted by Robtard
Didn't read back, but is H1 arguing that Steppenwolf beats Zod now? Cos lol.

Nah, H1 has gone off tangent and is simply arguing that Superman was speedblitzing Faora in their first fight

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thank you for admitting you have no idea what the difference is between punching someone and tackling them, nor do you seem to understand what bobbing and weaving is used for.

I suggest you learn these things first before making a fool of yourself further. Hint: tackling someone while you have your fists outstretched is not a punch. If you ram into someone with your fists by flying forward into them then that is striking them.
But that's irrelevant

If Superman flew into her faster than she can RESPOND and move to the side (dodge him) then that proves he is just as fast or faster than her.

My entire point was certain levels of superspeed needs to be activated (through anger or concentration). It wasn't activated when Superman first faced Faora. A higher level got activated when Superman became pissed at what Faora told him.

Zod's higher level of speed was activated by flash. JL Superman's speed was activated the same way Zod's was.