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Banner as of Ragnarok with his weapons

Who wins

I want to say Hulk, but I felt he only got weaker as time progressed.

Hulk thrashes Steppenwolf

Steppenwolf handled the Justice League fairly easy until Superman showed up. Hulk could not do that.

Originally posted by Robtard
Steppenwolf handled the Justice League fairly easy until Superman showed up. Hulk could not do that.

Maybe, but Superman also took out Stepp with a single punch. And so far, all feats point to Hulk having a stronger punch than Superman. At the very least around the same ballpark.

Originally posted by Robtard
Steppenwolf handled the Justice League fairly easy until Superman showed up. Hulk could not do that.

Diana was lowballed in that movie in my opinion and the league without Supes looked,,,,underwhelming to say the least. I honestly feel the Hulk could have taken them out as they were portrayed.

Originally posted by carthage
Banner as of Ragnarok with his weapons

Who wins
Bane dies.

Steppenwolf

Can Hulk dominate Wonder Woman and Aquaman at the same time? No. In fact, one could easily make the argument that Diana solos Hulk due to her speed + a sword that can cut Doomsday.

If one wanted to make a one sided argument that gave WW every advantage while ignoring everything the Hulk can do yeah, that would be a pretty easy argument to make.

Good catch.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Maybe, but Superman also took out Stepp with a single punch. And so far, all feats point to Hulk having a stronger punch than Superman. At the very least around the same ballpark. You know the only punch you are referencing is the Leviathan punch. I proved long ago that punch was under 200 tons of force.
The actual punch did almost nothing to stopping the momentum. Hulk basically braced the entire distance through the concrete in slowing it down. 0.1% of the feat was the initial punch. 99.9% of the rest of the feat was Hulk bracing through the concrete (being pushed back and continuing to stiff arm). All of Hulk's other punches should be the ones looked at.

Originally posted by h1a8
You know the only punch you are referencing is the Leviathan punch. I proved long ago that punch was under 200 tons of force.
The actual punch did almost nothing to stopping the momentum. Hulk basically braced the entire distance through the concrete in slowing it down. 0.1% of the feat was the initial punch. 99.9% of the rest of the feat was Hulk bracing through the concrete (being pushed back and continuing to stiff arm). All of Hulk's other punches should be the ones looked at.

You didn't prove anything, you just made up a bunch of numbers that nobody in this forum accepted. And in the end, you couldn't give a single punching feat from Superman that compared to the leviathan punch

Originally posted by Psychotron
Can Hulk dominate Wonder Woman and Aquaman at the same time? No. In fact, one could easily make the argument that Diana solos Hulk due to her speed + a sword that can cut Doomsday.

You mean the speed that she never used against Steppenwolf?

If WW and Aquaman fight Hulk as stupidly as they fought Stepp then yeah, Hulk should win.

If they actually fought like they should, then they would win. But then again, they should have won against Stepp as well.

Originally posted by riv6672
If one wanted to make a one sided argument that gave WW every advantage while ignoring everything the Hulk can do yeah, that would be a pretty easy argument to make.

Good catch.

And what can Hulk do to counter Diana's speed?

Originally posted by FrothByte
You mean the speed that she never used against Steppenwolf?

If WW and Aquaman fight Hulk as stupidly as they fought Stepp then yeah, Hulk should win.

If they actually fought like they should, then they would win. But then again, they should have won against Stepp as well.

What's the proof that Wonder Woman never used her speed, exactly? If Steppenwolf kept up with a confirmed bullet timer like Diana, that just means he's fast himself. In fact, Wonder Woman's speed was showcased at the start of the movie, so we know she's that fast. You always do this weird reverse feat argument where characters with super speed have to explicitly show it with some kind of visual effect in every single fight or they don't have it. It's very disingenuous.

Originally posted by Psychotron
And what can Hulk do to counter Diana's speed?



What's the proof that Wonder Woman never used her speed, exactly? If Steppenwolf kept up with a confirmed bullet timer like Diana, that just means he's fast himself. In fact, Wonder Woman's speed was showcased at the start of the movie, so we know she's that fast. You always do this weird reverse feat argument where characters with super speed have to explicitly show it with some kind of visual effect in every single fight or they don't have it. It's very disingenuous.

Because Stepp, WW and Aquaman were all moving at similar speeds. So too were the Parademons around them. For your argument to work, it would mean that Stepp, Aquaman and the Parademons would need to all have been as fast as WW.

Do you really believe that to be true?

Some members go by visual speed, unless camera is in slow motion video.
Going by visual speed, WW wasn't using her full speed.
Now Steph has some degree of superspeed (he caught the arrow and can cover large distances in a short amount of time).

Originally posted by Psychotron

What's the proof that Wonder Woman never used her speed, exactly? If Steppenwolf kept up with a confirmed bullet timer like Diana, that just means he's fast himself. In fact, Wonder Woman's speed was showcased at the start of the movie, so we know she's that fast. You always do this weird reverse feat argument where characters with super speed have to explicitly show it with some kind of visual effect in every single fight or they don't have it. It's very disingenuous.

He's always been kind of an idiot that way. He would never claim that Hulk wasn't using all of his strength against Thor just because he didn't send him flying for miles or cause a shockwave that leveled buildings. It's always speed.

It's also particularly idiotic in this case because Steppenwolf has speed feats. He easily catches a missile after it is fired by the Batmobile and casually deflects an arrow fired by Hippolyta, who as we see can fire arrows that travel so fast and far they cross literal miles.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He's always been kind of an idiot that way. He would never claim that Hulk wasn't using all of his strength against Thor just because he didn't send him flying for miles or cause a shockwave that leveled buildings. It's always speed.

It's also particularly idiotic in this case because Steppenwolf has speed feats. He easily catches a missile after it is fired by the Batmobile and casually deflects an arrow fired by Hippolyta, who as we see can fire arrows that travel so fast and far they cross literal miles.

Not a fair comparison. We KNOW Thor has super strength, he's displayed it multiple times. So it's a logical conclusion that Hulk was using his strength against Thor because both of them had super strength.

In comparison, there's no proof that Steppenwolf had super speed, not at Diana's level anyway.

Had the fight only been between Steppenwolf and Diana then I would agree the logical conclusion was that Steppenwolf had superspeed like Diana. But the fight was against Diana AND Aquaman. So are we to assume that Aquaman also has superspeed? And what about the Amazons that Steppenwolf was running after. Were they moving at superspeed too? And how about the parademons that later on attacked Steppenwolf, did they have superspeed too? And does that mean Batman also had super speed since he was matching up against a Parademon?

See how questionable the whole super speed schtick becomes?

Originally posted by FrothByte

In comparison, there's no proof that Steppenwolf had super speed,

mmm

Originally posted by NemeBro
mmm





Nothing I have said is incorrect. If you disagree then at least do me the courtesy of putting up a decent argument.

Again, I thought the JL movie nerfed Diana in order to make Steppenwolf seem more formidable. She did much better against Doomsday than she did against Steppenwolf. If she fought to her utmost potential, she should have been able to take Steppenwolf.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Maybe, but Superman also took out Stepp with a single punch. And so far, all feats point to Hulk having a stronger punch than Superman. At the very least around the same ballpark.

Don't agree that MCU Hulk is stronger than DCEU Superman. This Superman drags super-massive freight liners and carries apartment buildings, even stops earthquakes if written word in film is allowed. He's closer to comic Superman than MCU Hulk is to comic Hulk.

So I don't think Hulk could KO Steppenwolf with a single hit. Going to take more than just one.

Originally posted by tkitna
Diana was lowballed in that movie in my opinion and the league without Supes looked,,,,underwhelming to say the least. I honestly feel the Hulk could have taken them out as they were portrayed.

Were they lowballed, or did they look underwhelming because Steppenwolf, especially Synder's cut, was kinda of a beast?

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't agree that MCU Hulk is stronger than DCEU Superman. This Superman drags super-massive freight liners and carries apartment buildings, even stops earthquakes if written word in film is allowed. He's closer to comic Superman than MCU Hulk is to comic Hulk.

So I don't think Hulk could KO Steppenwolf with a single hit. Going to take more than just one.

I didn't say Hulk is stronger, and I agree that Superman has better pure strength feats. I'm saying Hulk punches stronger, since Hulk has better punching feats than Superman.

Originally posted by Robtard
Were they lowballed, or did they look underwhelming because Steppenwolf, especially Synder's cut, was kinda of a beast?

I think they were but thats purely my opinion. Diana did much better against a far superior opponent in Doomsday. I feel they had her matched pretty evenly with Arthur and she's above him in every stat. It was all done to pimp Supernan and I understand that, but Diana should have done much better than what she did.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I didn't say Hulk is stronger, and I agree that Superman has better pure strength feats. I'm saying Hulk punches stronger, since Hulk has better punching feats than Superman.

No he doesn't. I already proved to you the leviathan punch was less than 200 tons of force. If Hulk punched the leviathan and it instantly stopped in it's tracks then the force would be astronomically greater. But the punch only slowed it's momentum less than 1%. 99% of the slowdown was from Hulk bracing against it and having his feet cave the concrete.


Superman is able to punch a humanoid being many blocks away and it still has enough momentum to topple over multiple locomotives which hit a nearby whole train and knocked that over too (and blew them up).

Superman is able to uppercut a humanoid being all the way up to the top of a skyscraper while humanoid still having enough momentum at the top of the skyscraper to bust the hell out of the skyscraper.

All those feats shit on any punch feat by Hulk.

Originally posted by tkitna
I think they were but thats purely my opinion. Diana did much better against a far superior opponent in Doomsday. I feel they had her matched pretty evenly with Arthur and she's above him in every stat. It was all done to pimp Supernan and I understand that, but Diana should have done much better than what she did. Arthur lifted a submarine out of the water for crying out loud. That's a lot of phucking strength. If Diana is as strong as he is then that's a compliment. Steppenwolf is stronger than both which says something. Especially with him punching Arthur many feet through the water and having him bust a huge phucking stone column.

Originally posted by h1a8
Arthur lifted a submarine out of the water for crying out loud. That's a lot of phucking strength. If Diana is as strong as he is then that's a compliment. Steppenwolf is stronger than both which says something. Especially with him punching Arthur many feet through the water and having him bust a huge phucking stone column.

Arthur was fighting him damn near evenly underwater. Remember, Steppenwolf ran. As for Diana, your greatest hard on (SPEED) was never used against Steppenwolf. She cut a limb off of Doomsday, a character superior to Superman, yet struggled with Steppenwolf who Superman treated like a child. It doesnt make any sense. It was PIS to pimp Clark. Thats all.

Originally posted by tkitna
Arthur was fighting him damn near evenly underwater. Remember, Steppenwolf ran. As for Diana, your greatest hard on (SPEED) was never used against Steppenwolf. She cut a limb off of Doomsday, a character superior to Superman, yet struggled with Steppenwolf who Superman treated like a child. It doesnt make any sense. It was PIS to pimp Clark. Thats all.

DD weakness was he literally had no skill. He was physically superior to Steppenwolf but Steppenwolf was far more skilled. Granted WW forgot her speed due to the plot.
So you do have a point there. I have no disagreements
Fiction have inconsistencies. I been saying that for years. That's why it's silly to use abc logic most of the time.