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Captain America
Hawkeye
Winter Soldier
Ant-Man
Black Widow
Scarlet Witch

vs

Jungle Hunter (Predator 1)
City Hunter (Predator 2)
Super-Predator (Predators)
Predalien (AvP2)
Upgraded Predator (The Predator)
Feral Predator (Prey)

Avengers power levels are what they were during Civil War. For the sake of this contest, all Predators (and Alien) are on the same team, not attacking each other. Fight takes place in Central Park.

Who wins?

Good lord. Avengers in a horrible stomp. This is damn near spite.

Originally posted by tkitna
Good lord. Avengers in a horrible stomp. This is damn near spite.
^^^A horrible HORRIBLE stomp, yes.

Is it? I disagree. I'll remove Wanda and Ant-Man.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
Captain America
Hawkeye
Winter Soldier
Black Widow


vs

Jungle Hunter (Predator 1)
City Hunter (Predator 2)
Super-Predator (Predators)
Predalien (AvP2)
Upgraded Predator (The Predator)
Feral Predator (Prey)

Avengers power levels are what they were during Civil War. For the sake of this contest, all Predators (and Alien) are on the same team, not attacking each other. Fight takes place in Central Park.

Who wins?

Predators now due to invisibility. If invisibility wasnt in play, i'd still side with the Avengers.

Predators are pretty bad jobbers, both in movies & comics --- they have all the physical attributes, skill, experience and gear they need to make it a good fight, but they just job too much.

Still the Avengers.

Yes.

I would probably change my mind if ​Yautja stopped jobbing - alas, such showings we can find only in the video games, fan fiction and some very few official comics (outliers).

Iron Man Predator could be formidable in theory, but it's featless, it's a flawed prototype and humans will pilot it in order to fight Yautja, so... doesn't really count.

Villains, especially when facing ordinary humans, usually tend to job for the sake of the story.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
Villains, especially when facing ordinary humans, usually tend to job for the sake of the story.

Correct
It's called PIS.
Plus this is a straight up fight. Most wins against preds were due to prep and plot device.

Lastly Preds have an insane amount damage soak.
Without Wanda and Antman, they slaughter the avengers.

Originally posted by h1a8


Lastly Preds have an insane amount damage soak.
Without Wanda and Antman, they slaughter the avengers.
^^^So ****ing wrong it goes from not even funny how wrong all the way back around to funny af.

Captain America could take all the Preds one at a time.

Cap stomps F5ck thread

Originally posted by Robtard
Captain America could take all the Preds one at a time.

He would get one shot easily.
He only has a shield.
They can become invisible and plasma cannon him.
Killer nets, homing blades, etc.

The alien alone will stomp him.

Originally posted by h1a8
Correct
It's called PIS.
Plus this is a straight up fight. Most wins against preds were due to prep and plot device.

Lastly Preds have an insane amount damage soak.
Without Wanda and Antman, they slaughter the avengers.

Good lord, they do not slaughter the Avengers. Cap and Bucky are still above them stat wise and all four are vastly superior in skill. Invisibility is their only hope.

Avengers stomp.

Originally posted by tkitna
Good lord, they do not slaughter the Avengers. Cap and Bucky are still above them stat wise and all four are vastly superior in skill. Invisibility is their only hope.

They are not above them Stat wise, especially Bucky.
They have advanced weaponry and are highly skilled themselves.
The plasma cannon alone will smoke them.
And the predalien will possibly solo the avengers.

Originally posted by h1a8
They are not above them Stat wise, especially Bucky.
They have advanced weaponry and are highly skilled themselves.
The plasma cannon alone will smoke them.
And the predalien will possibly solo the avengers.

What are the Predators strength feats? Cap tosses motorcycles around as weapons and holds helicopters back with one arm. Bucky is right in line with him.

Why are you so hung up on the plasma cannons? Its not like these heroes havent fought characters with similar weapons before. Sheesh, they took on a whole army of aliens with similar weapons. Hell, Clint can probably take three predators out with one shot.

Originally posted by tkitna
What are the Predators strength feats? Cap tosses motorcycles around as weapons and holds helicopters back with one arm. Bucky is right in line with him.

Why are you so hung up on the plasma cannons? Its not like these heroes havent fought characters with similar weapons before. Sheesh, they took on a whole army of aliens with similar weapons. Hell, Clint can probably take three predators out with one shot. tossing a motorcycle is a speck of dust in the realm of superstrength. Exerting a few thousand pounds in Holding a helicopter is also a speck of dust.
You actually think the weakest predator can't do those things? It seems you are comparing Cap to some mere humans. The lowest level fiction intentional superhuman strength can achieve those things.


Bucky right arm is in line with the Predators.

Clint is not taking anyone out here.
Not only are his weapons too weak (they can catch arrows too) but they are invisible.
And they can smoke him fast with the plasma canon.

Originally posted by h1a8
He would get one shot easily.
He only has a shield.
They can become invisible and plasma cannon him.
Killer nets, homing blades, etc.

The alien alone will stomp him.

Who has one shot Cap? Thanos? Exactly. Thanos >>> Predators

Cap only needs a shield.

If a clocked Predator fires up the caster, he's going to expose his position and Cap can easily block those shots with his shield while closing the distance.

Cap's handled worse.


Nope. He'd beat down any Predator 1v1.

I would pay good money to see Preds hunt h1.

Originally posted by h1a8
tossing a motorcycle is a speck of dust in the realm of superstrength. Exerting a few thousand pounds in Holding a helicopter is also a speck of dust.
You actually think the weakest predator can't do those things?

Give me some examples of Predators displaying such strength.

Also H1, do you see how you are the only person convinced that the Predators stomp? At some point you need to take a long, hard look at yourself.

Originally posted by tkitna
Give me some examples of Predators displaying such strength.

Also H1, do you see how you are the only person convinced that the Predators stomp? At some point you need to take a long, hard look at yourself. So you are not familiar with predators?
That's like asking me when did Superman display such strength.

You know tossing a motorcycle is a very low level strength feat right?
Preventing that helicopter from leaving = holding a few thousand pounds.

Predators not being able to hold a few thousand pounds? Really? You are trolling at this point. If you are not familiar with predators then perhaps you shouldn't be debating this topic. Ripping a spinal column out from all the connective tissues and muscles takes over 40 tons of force, yet they can do it effortlessly (hence, multiple times this strength).

Predators are not only physically superior to most of the avengers but they have many long ranged options, in which each can one shot each member of the avengers. Plus that's not even adding invisibility.
Predators have shown great fighting skill multiple times. It's basically built into their plot.

The Prealien is physically far above any Predator. Plus it's blood is acid.



Originally posted by Robtard
Who has one shot Cap? Thanos? Exactly. Thanos >>> Predators

Cap only needs a shield.

If a clocked Predator fires up the caster, he's going to expose his position and Cap can easily block those shots with his shield while closing the distance.

Cap's handled worse.


Nope. He'd beat down any Predator 1v1.

I wasn't saying they can one shot Cap with a punch. Geez
But with their weapons (blades, nets, homing blades, canons, etc).

Cap's legs and feet are exposed. Cap closing the distance blind (shield covering his face).

If Cap does close the distance then it would take him many hits to phase them vs just one hit (weapons) from them. He throws the shield (which he is prone to do) and he dies quicker.
You are forgetting it is multiple Preds here with a Predalien. The Predalien will spite stomp Cap.

The rest of the avengers aren't Cap. Think about that.

The problem here is that the Predators have never faced any superhumans before (outside of Aliens). The most they've gone up with are trained military personnel which is still a notch below even guys like Hawkeye and Black Widow.

In comparison, the Avengers have gone up against multiple superhuman opponents already and some of those with advanced weaponry.

The preds aren't really going to be anything new to Cap's team. Yeah, they'll pose a threat and there's a chance some of the weaker members of Cap's team can get severely injured but they're still winning.

Originally posted by h1a8
So you are not familiar with predators?
That's like asking me when did Superman display such strength.

You know tossing a motorcycle is a very low level strength feat right?
Preventing that helicopter from leaving = holding a few thousand pounds.

Predators not being able to hold a few thousand pounds? Really? You are trolling at this point. If you are not familiar with predators then perhaps you shouldn't be debating this topic. Ripping a spinal column out from all the connective tissues and muscles takes over 40 tons of force, yet they can do it effortlessly (hence, multiple times this strength).

Predators are not only physically superior to most of the avengers but they have many long ranged options, in which each can one shot each member of the avengers. Plus that's not even adding invisibility.
Predators have shown great fighting skill multiple times. It's basically built into their plot.

The Prealien is physically far above any Predator. Plus it's blood is acid.



Where do you come up with these made up numbers?

I swear you argue for the losing team constantly just so people will pay attention to you.

Originally posted by tkitna
Where do you come up with these made up numbers?

I swear you argue for the losing team constantly just so people will pay attention to you. Actually I don't know. I got it from an online source Vsauce. He supposedly is a science guru.
The actual number was 1 million newton's. I lowballed that to 40 tons.

Originally posted by tkitna
Where do you come up with these made up numbers?

I swear you argue for the losing team constantly just so people will pay attention to you.

H1 just wants us inside him, that's his way of flirting.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The problem here is that the Predators have never faced any superhumans before (outside of Aliens). The most they've gone up with are trained military personnel which is still a notch below even guys like Hawkeye and Black Widow.

In comparison, the Avengers have gone up against multiple superhuman opponents already and some of those with advanced weaponry.

The preds aren't really going to be anything new to Cap's team. Yeah, they'll pose a threat and there's a chance some of the weaker members of Cap's team can get severely injured but they're still winning. This is a PIS free setting. Imo these things are far more dangerous than anything they faced. Only Cap has something reliable to block stuff with. But the moment he throws it then it is over. The others can't survive any of their weaponry. A simple net will kill them. Combi stick slices through anything they have except the shield. Homing blades that follow and travel very fast and cut through any material they have (except the shield). Plasma canons, etc

I wanna say the predalien solos. They would barely faze it. It is extremely fast and far more powerful than any predator. If they cause it to bleed then the acid will kill them.

Only in a movie where PIS exists can they win.

Think of "Last Action Hero". They have no plot armor here.

Originally posted by h1a8

I wasn't saying they can one shot Cap with a punch. Geez
But with their weapons (blades, nets, homing blades, canons, etc).

Cap's legs and feet are exposed. Cap closing the distance blind (shield covering his face).

If Cap does close the distance then it would take him many hits to phase them vs just one hit (weapons) from them. He throws the shield (which he is prone to do) and he dies quicker.
You are forgetting it is multiple Preds here with a Predalien. The Predalien will spite stomp Cap.

The rest of the avengers aren't Cap. Think about that.

You literally said Cap would get one-shot, now I made you back-peddle and amendments. Good.

So? The Preds are fully exposed.

Not "if", when Cap closes the distance he would beat down any Predator up close, he is leagues above them in fighting prowess. Cap literally fights super-powered beings for a living.

I was strictly speaking about Cap facing any single Predator and being their superior. But team Avengers would win here too. They literally fight super-powered beings for a living.


Predator (1987) Killed by a trained human
Predator 2 (1990) Killed by a human cop
Predators (2010) Killed by a trained human
The Predator (2018) Killed by a trained human
Prey (2022) Killed by a petite girl

See a pattern? Yup.

You could also find plenty of bad showings for preds in comics, too.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Are any of you guys actually knowledgeable on Predator lore and canon, or do the movies just give you boners? Predator canon is full of normal human samurai, soldiers (past/present and future) killing Preds in one on one combat. Machiko only had a brown belt in Karate, and she has killed Predators in h2h and even Xenomorph Queens...

Do some research people.

Originally posted by jinzin
Dutch from the first movie has a brother in the Darkhorse comics who has a tendancy to dance with Preds one on one and he's beaten several in combat.
As I said before in a strict h2h fight with this woman Machiko a blooded bug hunting vet started to lose a fight with her until his friends began to cheat.
The newer/stronger/bigger Predators from the new film, Falconer Pred got killed in a sword duel with a mere Yakuza member.

There's a lot of instances of Preds getting killed off left and right when they lose their invisability. Colonial Marines have dropped them in droves.

They've never displayed mass amounts of skill in a h2h fight... because most Pred's are not technically fighters, they're hunters.
It's one of the major reasons that Bad-blood Predators are so dangerous.

Originally posted by Robtard
You literally said Cap would get one-shot, now I made you back-peddle and amendments. Good.

So? The Preds are fully exposed.

Not "if", when Cap closes the distance he would beat down any Predator up close, he is leagues above them in fighting prowess. Cap literally fights super-powered beings for a living.

I was strictly speaking about Cap facing any single Predator and being their superior. But team Avengers would win here too. They literally fight super-powered beings for a living.


Predator (1987) Killed by a trained human
Predator 2 (1990) Killed by a human cop
Predators (2010) Killed by a trained human
The Predator (2018) Killed by a trained human
Prey (2022) Killed by a petite girl

See a pattern? Yup.
How can I back peddle when I DIDN'T CHANGE WHAT I MEANT. You are simply arguing semantics. In school we learned CONTEXT CLUES. I gave HOW they would one shot in addition to saying the statement. Reading is fundamental.

Cap will lose to most Predators up close in a h2h fight (some he can win). But when it comes to their weapons they will tag him. Cap fights super-powered beings (on the level of a Pred and higher) AND LOSING is not a feat. Can hasn't once fought a skilled Super-powered being alone and won (except Bucky).

And this is a forum fight, there is no PIS or plot armor here.
Preds only lost due to plot (prep, environment, and special circumstances existed)
In a straight fight (no prep and open field) the Preds will be undefeated against all the humans they lost to.
You are trolling at this point. Arguing losses that are irrelevant to forum setting.

How do the avengers beat the Predalien alone?
Especially with the other Preds being invisible shooting plasma canons and homing blades at them?

Black widow dies
Hawkeye dies
Bucky dies
Cap lasts but will eventually fall.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are trolling at this point.

Are you completely sure Robtard is the one who is trolling here?

Originally posted by h1a8
How do the avengers beat the Predalien alone?
Especially with the other Preds being invisible shooting plasma canons and homing blades at them?

Black widow dies
Hawkeye dies
Bucky dies
Cap lasts but will eventually fall.

Clint shoots him in the head and explodes him while they are behind Cap or a tree. He also shoots a smoke arrow to nullify the invisibility and to give themselves cover to attack. Glowing red plasma shooters are easy enough to see to pinpoint the predators at that point.

Predators lose every single time.

Originally posted by h1a8
How can I back peddle when I DIDN'T CHANGE WHAT I MEANT. You are simply arguing semantics. In school we learned CONTEXT CLUES. I gave HOW they would one shot in addition to saying the statement. Reading is fundamental.

Cap will lose to most Predators up close in a h2h fight (some he can win). But when it comes to their weapons they will tag him. Cap fights super-powered beings (on the level of a Pred and higher) AND LOSING is not a feat. Can hasn't once fought a skilled Super-powered being alone and won (except Bucky).

And this is a forum fight, there is no PIS or plot armor here.
Preds only lost due to plot (prep, environment, and special circumstances existed)
In a straight fight (no prep and open field) the Preds will be undefeated against all the humans they lost to.
You are trolling at this point. Arguing losses that are irrelevant to forum setting.


You did change, I made you add to your previous faulty statement of fact, so it wouldn't sound so silly.

No, Cap would literally beat them all.

You're making a categorically false statement again. Cap didn't lose to most super-powered beings, he beat them or stalemated:

-Cap beat Spider-Man and as Tony Stark noted, Cap was holding back and could have ended it quick. Spider-Man would demolish any Predator, more than one at a time too.

-Cap beat the Red Skull. The Red Skull would probably beat most Predators.

-Cap beat The Winter Solider. The Winter Soldier would beat any Predator.

-Cap beat his younger 2012 version. 2012 Cap would beat any Predator.

-Cap beat Crossbones, while not super-powered, his power-armor made him super.

-Cap stalemated with the Black Panther. Black Panther would demolish any Predator.



So your argument now is we don't count the Predators' losses, but we count Captain America's losses. Your silly antics are in full display again.

Originally posted by Robtard
You did change, I made you add to your previous faulty statement of fact, so it wouldn't sound so silly.

No, Cap would literally beat them all.

You're making a categorically false statement again. Cap didn't lose to most super-powered beings, he beat them or stalemated:

-Cap beat Spider-Man and as Tony Stark noted, Cap was holding back and could have ended it quick. Spider-Man would demolish any Predator, more than one at a time too.

-Cap beat the Red Skull. The Red Skull would probably beat most Predators.

-Cap beat The Winter Solider. The Winter Soldier would beat any Predator.

-Cap beat his younger 2012 version. 2012 Cap would beat any Predator.

-Cap beat Crossbones, while not super-powered, his power-armor made him super.

-Cap stalemated with the Black Panther. Black Panther would demolish any Predator.



So your argument now is we don't count the Predators' losses, but we count Captain America's losses. Your silly antics are in full display again.

Here's proof that you are an idiot.
This is my post

Originally posted by h1a8
He would get one shot easily.
He only has a shield.
They can become invisible and plasma cannon him.
Killer nets, homing blades, etc.

The alien alone will stomp him.

Do you see the plasma cannon part? How in the universe did you take this to mean they can one shot him with a punch?

Cap will lose to most predators. He will get tagged eventually. And their weaponry are one shot attacks.

In this fight you have multiple Preds shooting long range and a very fast and powerful Predalien decimating the team in seconds.

Originally posted by h1a8
Here's proof that you are an idiot.
This is my post



Do you see the plasma cannon part? How in the universe did you take this to mean they can one shot him with a punch?

Cap will lose to most predators. He will get tagged eventually. And their weaponry are one shot attacks.

In this fight you have multiple Preds shooting long range and a very fast and powerful Predalien decimating the team in seconds.

Yes, continue to ignore that I disproved your categorically false statements above. A cowardly strategy.

Predator weapons are one-shot against normal humans and aliens. Captain America is neither. eg The Chitauri plasma rifles were killing people with one shot, while Cap literally shrugged it off. Cap survived a punch to the face from Thanos, the guy who rag-dolled the Hulk.

Cap has consistently shown an uncanny ability to block shots with his shield or dodge-dive to evade.

Your points are once against picked apart with logic and film facts

Originally posted by tkitna
Give me some examples of Predators displaying such strength.

Also H1, do you see how you are the only person convinced that the Predators stomp? At some point you need to take a long, hard look at yourself.

Predalien (AvP2)
Upgraded Predator (The Predator)
Feral Predator (Prey)

These 3 would definitely throw motorcycles around.

The Feral Pred was fighting a Grizzly in close combat, wrestling. The upgraded Pred was tossing another Pred around like he was nothing.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, continue to ignore that I disproved your categorically false statements above. A cowardly strategy.

Predator weapons are one-shot against normal humans and aliens. Captain America is neither. eg The Chitauri plasma rifles were killing people with one shot, while Cap literally shrugged it off. Cap survived a punch to the face from Thanos, the guy who rag-dolled the Hulk.

Cap has consistently shown an uncanny ability to block shots with his shield or dodge-dive to evade.

Your points are once against picked apart with logic and film facts

Now you see the light
Argue Cap won't get one shot against a plasma cannon instead of trying to change my argument to something else.

Cap has no feats against survive something that will blow a human to pieces. He's not even bullet proof. Bullets go through him almost as easily as it does humans.
Basically you are saying a bullet >>>> plasma Canon.

Cap can possibly block a shot. But they are invisible and there are multiple of them shooting at him. He can block them all. Especially the homing blades.

Most characters will survive a punch from Thanos just like Batman survived an attack from Superman in the comic. It's not a feat.
This is a movie and you have plot armor.
And a punch isn't the same as energy attack that burns through shit.

Cap isn't very fast. Only human level speed. He's subject to the speed of falling once he leaps
And I never seen for sure a human die to getting hit by the Chitauri. How do you know humans died? And what was the damage?
A mere human punch can kill a human and so can a nuclear bomb.
Surviving a punch doesn't mean you can survive the latter

Originally posted by Thinkerer
Predalien (AvP2)
Upgraded Predator (The Predator)
Feral Predator (Prey)

These 3 would definitely throw motorcycles around.

The Feral Pred was fighting a Grizzly in close combat, wrestling. The upgraded Pred was tossing another Pred around like he was nothing.

A grizzly is your example? I'd like to see a grizzly (or predator) throw a motorcycle with enough force to destroy a jeep.

FMnSVo7uvCI

Originally posted by h1a8
Now you see the light
Argue Cap won't get one shot against a plasma cannon instead of trying to change my argument to something else.

Cap has no feats against survive something that will blow a human to pieces. He's not even bullet proof. Bullets go through him almost as easily as it does humans.
Basically you are saying a bullet >>>> plasma Canon.

Cap can possibly block a shot. But they are invisible and there are multiple of them shooting at him. He can block them all. Especially the homing blades.

Most characters will survive a punch from Thanos just like Batman survived an attack from Superman in the comic. It's not a feat.
This is a movie and you have plot armor.
And a punch isn't the same as energy attack that burns through shit.

Cap isn't very fast. Only human level speed. He's subject to the speed of falling once he leaps
And I never seen for sure a human die to getting hit by the Chitauri. How do you know humans died? And what was the damage?
A mere human punch can kill a human and so can a nuclear bomb.
Surviving a punch doesn't mean you can survive the latter I see you're still ignoring that all your points were disproved on the last page.

No, not what I said, stop twisting . My point is that Cap isn't a regular human, so assuming as you've been that he'd take the same damage from a Predator weapon is faulty.

Cap's MANY times more durable than average Joe Person, as we've seen him shrug off plasma rifle fire that killed regular humans, survived being punched in the face by Thanos and survived being frozen for 70 or so years. Among all the other hits and wounds that would kill a normal person.

Now you're low-balling MCU Thanos. Laughable. This isn't the comics, this is the movies. MCU Thanos would insta-splatter a normal human with his punch.

Cap isn't fast? LoL. He's run faster than cars. When he fought Ironman at the end of Civil War he was punching so fast Tony had to request his A.I. help to counter him.

We see Chitauri gunning down civilians in the streets with the plasma rifles, the camera moves way, but it's clear they're killing people. You should watch Avengers. The same plasma rifle blast Cap no sold to the side of his body.

You've yet to prove that Cap wouldn't take down any single Predator. You've failed again. As for the regular humans on Cap's team, they're well beyond the regular humans that took down the Predators, they're effectively superhumans without being.

Originally posted by Robtard
This isn't the comics, this is the movies.

You're saying that as if h1 was making less of a clown out of himself in CBvF...

Originally posted by Robtard
I see you're still ignoring that all your points were disproved on the last page.

No, not what I said, stop twisting . My point is that Cap isn't a regular human, so assuming as you've been that he'd take the same damage from a Predator weapon is faulty.

Cap's MANY times more durable than average Joe Person, as we've seen him shrug off plasma rifle fire that killed regular humans, survived being punched in the face by Thanos and survived being frozen for 70 or so years. Among all the other hits and wounds that would kill a normal person.

Now you're low-balling MCU Thanos. Laughable. This isn't the comics, this is the movies. MCU Thanos would insta-splatter a normal human with his punch.

Cap isn't fast? LoL. He's run faster than cars. When he fought Ironman at the end of Civil War he was punching so fast Tony had to request his A.I. help to counter him.

We see Chitauri gunning down civilians in the streets with the plasma rifles, the camera moves way, but it's clear they're killing people. You should watch Avengers. The same plasma rifle blast Cap no sold to the side of his body.

You've yet to prove that Cap wouldn't take down any single Predator. You've failed again. As for the regular humans on Cap's team, they're well beyond the regular humans that took down the Predators, they're effectively superhumans without being.

Prove they killed people.
You ignored my entire analogy.
If both a bullet and nuclear bomb can kill a human then doesn't make Cap immune to a nuclear bomb just because he survived being shot. The plasma canon does far more damage than the Xhitauri blasts. You are falsely equating them.

How fast were the cars that Cap outran were going?

Punches are not the same as energy blasts that have burning properties.
That is faulty.
If the plasma canon doesn't kill Cap then it would put him out of the fight for awhile, just like the Chitauri blast did.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's only a few people arguing this thread. Majority is statistically meaningless here.
Now if you have 30 or more then you have something.

A 7 to 1 ratio is not "statistically meaningless".

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove they killed people.
You ignored my entire analogy.
If both a bullet and nuclear bomb can kill a human then doesn't make Cap immune to a nuclear bomb just because he survived being shot. The plasma canon does far more damage than the Xhitauri blasts. You are falsely equating them.

How fast were the cars that Cap outran were going?


Since you've never watched the movie -

IrYUQE-ZMNI

The 47 second mark the blasts are destroying the road and uprooting cars like they were nothing. You think a human could withstand that?

1:54 Cap takes one to the body. Stunned but not out.

3:40 Iron Man takes two shots that knocks him around like a beer can. Any human surviving that?

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22 second mark Clint uses an arrow that would take down any predator.

I looked to see how many humans were killed during the Chitauri invasion and i'm getting anywhere from 74 to 1200, but none of the sources were credible enough to validate it.

As for how fast Cap was running? No idea how fast the cars were going but the estimation from different sites is somewhere between 40 mph and 50 mph.

Originally posted by FrothByte
A 7 to 1 ratio is not "statistically meaningless".

It doesnt matter if it was 7 million, in H1's world he's the smartest guy in the room while reality sits back and laughs at him.

Originally posted by tkitna
Since you've never watched the movie -

IrYUQE-ZMNI

The 47 second mark the blasts are destroying the road and uprooting cars like they were nothing. You think a human could withstand that?

1:54 Cap takes one to the body. Stunned but not out.

3:40 Iron Man takes two shots that knocks him around like a beer can. Any human surviving that?

uZgEMlnwG-Y

22 second mark Clint uses an arrow that would take down any predator.

I looked to see how many humans were killed during the Chitauri invasion and i'm getting anywhere from 74 to 1200, but none of the sources were credible enough to validate it.

As for how fast Cap was running? No idea how fast the cars were going but the estimation from different sites is somewhere between 40 mph and 50 mph.
Those were blasts from their ships.
The blasts seem to have more concussive properties with little to no burning properties.

If the plasma canon causes more damage to humans and Cap was stunned on a weaker type blast then doesn't it make since he will also get one shot by the stronger blast?

It seems the blasts varied in power. The first blast that struck Ironman did almost nothing (it hit him square on too). The 2nd blast sent him flying back into the car.
There was little to no damage done though from that blast.

My argument covered the blasts killing humans already. Cap was out of the fight. A plasma shot will do worse. They can target multiple objects simultaneously and shoot out multiple simultaneous blasts.

The cars were moving at 10mph visually. Anything else is speculation.

Preds have moved so fast they have dodged hail of bullets (many people shooting at them from close range).

They can easily dodge clints arrows or target it (like when they targeted weapons shot at them before).

A simple plasma shot will end Clint before he gets am arrow out. Plus there are multiple preds here.

A simple throw from a smart disc possibly solo them (especially with the others shooting plasma shots at them).

Originally posted by FrothByte
A 7 to 1 ratio is not "statistically meaningless".

You mean 5 to 1.
Yes it is when you only have 6 people which aren't randomly selected.

You need 30 or more (unless you can prove the sample normally distributed and the sample was randomly selected).
5 bias individuals against 1 objective individual.

Originally posted by h1a8
Those were blasts from their ships.
The blasts seem to have more concussive properties with little to no burning properties.

If the plasma canon causes more damage to humans and Cap was stunned on a weaker type blast then doesn't it make since he will also get one shot by the stronger blast?

It seems the blasts varied in power. The first blast that struck Ironman did almost nothing (it hit him square on too). The 2nd blast sent him flying back into the car.
There was little to no damage done though from that blast.

My argument covered the blasts killing humans already. Cap was out of the fight. A plasma shot will do worse. They can target multiple objects simultaneously and shoot out multiple simultaneous blasts.

The cars were moving at 10mph visually. Anything else is speculation.

Preds have moved so fast they have dodged hail of bullets (many people shooting at them from close range).

They can easily dodge clints arrows or target it (like when they targeted weapons shot at them before).

A simple plasma shot will end Clint before he gets am arrow out. Plus there are multiple preds here.

A simple throw from a smart disc possibly solo them (especially with the others shooting plasma shots at them).

Do they have higher properties than the rifles? It was never stated.

Cant say as there was no direct hit shown on a human and Cap is much more than a normal human.

Why do you assume the predators plasma blasters are superior to the chitauris? Because they blow holes through humans?

10 mph? Seriously? This is why almost everybody refuses to interact with you. Do you realize that even you can run faster than 10 mph? This is the kind of shenanigans that put people off when it comes to you.

Predators have moved away from hails of bullets (not dodged them mind you) so they can automatically dodge Clints arrows. Arrows he doesnt even look to aim at times and still hits his target. I'm done. You are just way to stupid to continue this conversation with.

Originally posted by tkitna
in H1's world he's the smartest guy in the room

Rubber room.

Originally posted by tkitna
Do they have higher properties than the rifles? It was never stated.

Cant say as there was no direct hit shown on a human and Cap is much more than a normal human.

Why do you assume the predators plasma blasters are superior to the chitauris? Because they blow holes through humans?

10 mph? Seriously? This is why almost everybody refuses to interact with you. Do you realize that even you can run faster than 10 mph? This is the kind of shenanigans that put people off when it comes to you.

Predators have moved away from hails of bullets (not dodged them mind you) so they can automatically dodge Clints arrows. Arrows he doesnt even look to aim at times and still hits his target. I'm done. You are just way to stupid to continue this conversation with.

Well since you don't have proof to how much damage they were doing to humans then you can't say for sure if what Cap survived is equal or more powerful than plasma shot.

Also I proved those blasts have variable power. So Cap could have taken a weaker variant just like Tony did.

Anyway, let's say they are equals. The blast put Cap down for awhile. That's enough to beat him (just add another attack) or leave him there and take out the rest.

On a crowed expressway (especially during rush hour) traffic can be certainly moving 10mph and less. I'll give Cap the benefit of the doubt and say he was running at 30mph. But we use visual speed unless there is evidence of something going faster.

4 to 5 guys shooting directly at a Predator at close range (some with machine guns) and they don't hit anything? You have to be significantly faster than a human to move even evasively to avoid being struck from that close of distance. Clints arrows don't home. Once they enter the air they move in a straight line. Arrows are significantly slower than bullets. Any evasive action will cause them to miss. Preds even targeted and shot down projectiles shot at them before.

Preds can stay ranged and take out Clint first. Black Widow and Bucky are basically fodder here. It will take Cap time to close the distance on one of them. But that ignores the others gunning for him while he does so. He blocks the attacks of the one he's closing in on but gets hit by the others in the process.

The advantage of the all the ranged attacks and invisibility makes the Preds win this fight.
Tbh
If it was just the Predalien against the team then win or lose the Predalien is going to take some out before it goes down.

Originally posted by tkitna
Since you've never watched the movie -

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The 47 second mark the blasts are destroying the road and uprooting cars like they were nothing. You think a human could withstand that?

1:54 Cap takes one to the body. Stunned but not out.

3:40 Iron Man takes two shots that knocks him around like a beer can. Any human surviving that?

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22 second mark Clint uses an arrow that would take down any predator.

I looked to see how many humans were killed during the Chitauri invasion and i'm getting anywhere from 74 to 1200, but none of the sources were credible enough to validate it.

As for how fast Cap was running? No idea how fast the cars were going but the estimation from different sites is somewhere between 40 mph and 50 mph.


Thank you for taking the time to post the clips. H1 is doing his usual lying and shitgames.

Originally posted by h1a8
You mean 5 to 1.
Yes it is when you only have 6 people which aren't randomly selected.

You need 30 or more (unless you can prove the sample normally distributed and the sample was randomly selected).
5 bias individuals against 1 objective individual.

So if I had 8 candies total, and 7 of them were blue and 1 red... you're saying it would be incorrect for me to say "Majority of the candies are blue" simply because they're less than 30?

You, dear boy, are an absolute idiot.

Originally posted by h1a8
On a crowed expressway (especially during rush hour) traffic can be certainly moving 10mph and less. I'll give Cap the benefit of the doubt and say he was running at 30mph. But we use visual speed unless there is evidence of something going faster.

4 to 5 guys shooting directly at a Predator at close range (some with machine guns) and they don't hit anything? You have to be significantly faster than a human to move even evasively to avoid being struck from that close of distance. Clints arrows don't home. Once they enter the air they move in a straight line. Arrows are significantly slower than bullets. Any evasive action will cause them to miss. Preds even targeted and shot down projectiles shot at them before.

Preds can stay ranged and take out Clint first. Black Widow and Bucky are basically fodder here. It will take Cap time to close the distance on one of them. But that ignores the others gunning for him while he does so. He blocks the attacks of the one he's closing in on but gets hit by the others in the process.

The advantage of the all the ranged attacks and invisibility makes the Preds win this fight.
Tbh
If it was just the Predalien against the team then win or lose the Predalien is going to take some out before it goes down.

Why I keep responding to you is beyond me, but here goes.

How fast do you think Cap and BP were running here? Before you use your amazing skills of visual deduction lets factor in a couple of things first. They are running with sprinting Wakanda soldiers who are at peak physical fitness. Also take this into account, Usain Bolt was once clocked at 28 mph during a sprint.

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You dont feel Clint can hit a Predator because some have avoided being hit by a hail of bullets wildly being shot by mere humans that were most likely shook at the time?

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55 sec mark he curves a long range shot that destroys a helicarrior engine. (that arrow alone would take out probably every predator in this debate)

2:37 mark he shoots an arrow right in the middle of the head that proceeds to take out 4 or 5 more at the same time

3:21 he takes out a speeding chitauri glider without even looking. A glider that is moving and much faster than any predator.

3:37 hit a chitauri on a glider right in the head from long distance

4:27 taking multiple people out from a moving truck on uneven land

5:11 displays yet another concussive arrow that would take out numerous predators

Takes out numerous speeding Ultron bots that are faster than predators and displaying the ability to shoot more than one arrow at a time

10:07 mark I forgot his Ronin stint. Throwing knives from long distances and his fighting ability.

I'm not pointing out anymore. You should get the idea by now. Clint isnt just some human shooting a machine gun.

You said Bucky was fodder? Lol. Good lord.

And Bucky's fodder except for his arm according to H1. Yeah Bucky who has the same stats as Cap and Black Panther is utterly fodder. Lolol.

Do you see why its useless to engage with H1? He lives in another world and doesnt perceive things like normal people. Common sense eludes him.

Not sure I'd same "same stats", though maybe, but the Hydra and then Soviet experiments done on him certainly put him very close to Cap and BP physical abilities. The robo-arm making up any differences.

To argue that Bucky/WS is nigh useless without his robo-arm is idiotic, he's still superpowered and highly trained.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure I'd same "same stats", though maybe, but the Hydra and then Soviet experiments done on him certainly put him very close to Cap and BP physical abilities. The robo-arm making up any differences.

To argue that Bucky/WS is nigh useless without his robo-arm is idiotic, he's still superpowered and highly trained.

Correct. Same stats was a bit vague, but in the same area. He performs in a similar manner. He runs, jumps, fights, and takes punishment in the same arena as the other two. He isnt just some average Joe without the arm.

Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah Bucky who has the same stats as Cap and Black Panther is utterly fodder.

Not the same stats and his enhancements (other than arm) were kept as vague as possible.

But the character has certainly proven himself capable - both in comics and on the big screen.

And Yautja have a long history of constantly struggling with much lesser threats.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not the same stats and his enhancements (other than arm) were kept as vague as possible.

But the character has certainly proven himself capable - both in comics and on the big screen.

And Yautja have a long history of constantly struggling with much lesser threats.

To be fair, they all seemed very close to each other (Cap, Bucky and T'Challa). Trying to argue about their stat differences would be like trying to compare Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather and Canelo Alvarez.

Yeah I retracted my statement and tried to better explain. Lets just say they all play in the same ballpark.

Originally posted by tkitna
Why I keep responding to you is beyond me, but here goes.

How fast do you think Cap and BP were running here? Before you use your amazing skills of visual deduction lets factor in a couple of things first. They are running with sprinting Wakanda soldiers who are at peak physical fitness. Also take this into account, Usain Bolt was once clocked at 28 mph during a sprint.

ObTHnSLt2HU

You dont feel Clint can hit a Predator because some have avoided being hit by a hail of bullets wildly being shot by mere humans that were most likely shook at the time?

Owz0wvE1zb0

55 sec mark he curves a long range shot that destroys a helicarrior engine. (that arrow alone would take out probably every predator in this debate)

2:37 mark he shoots an arrow right in the middle of the head that proceeds to take out 4 or 5 more at the same time

3:21 he takes out a speeding chitauri glider without even looking. A glider that is moving and much faster than any predator.

3:37 hit a chitauri on a glider right in the head from long distance

4:27 taking multiple people out from a moving truck on uneven land

5:11 displays yet another concussive arrow that would take out numerous predators

Takes out numerous speeding Ultron bots that are faster than predators and displaying the ability to shoot more than one arrow at a time

10:07 mark I forgot his Ronin stint. Throwing knives from long distances and his fighting ability.

I'm not pointing out anymore. You should get the idea by now. Clint isnt just some human shooting a machine gun.

You said Bucky was fodder? Lol. Good lord.

I already have Cap the benefit of the doubt and said 30mph.
None of those Clint feats refutes my argument.
Preds can easily evade the arrow or shoot them out of the air.
Preds can shoot him down long before he shoots an arrow out.

Originally posted by h1a8

None of those Clint feats refutes my argument.
Preds can easily evade the arrow or shoot them out of the air.
Preds can shoot him down long before he shoots an arrow out.



Keep on being you H1.

Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah I retracted my statement and tried to better explain. Lets just say they all play in the same ballpark.

Honestly, in this particular thread, such details really don't matter...

As we know that powerless humans - without some quasi-supernatural skills or enhancements - were more than a match for preds.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Honestly, in this particular thread, such details really don't matter...

As we know that powerless humans - without some quasi-supernatural skills or enhancements - were more than a match for preds.

Exactly, but evidently H1 believes a random Joe with a machine gun is way more dangerous than MCU Hawkeye.

Originally posted by tkitna
Exactly, but evidently H1 believes a random Joe with a machine gun is way more dangerous than MCU Hawkeye. From close enough range they are. Give me a machine gun or even an ar15 and I will kill Clint easily. He will be dead before he can even pull the arrow out his satchel.

Originally posted by h1a8
From close enough range they are. Give me a machine gun or even an ar15 and I will kill Clint easily. He will be dead before he can even pull the arrow out his satchel.

Suurrree!!! I'm sure Clints never experienced a trained soldier or mercenary with a machine gun or ar15 before, yet some pencil neck comic geek is easily going to gun him down. Barton would kill you before you could even lift the gun.

The laughter never stops with you H1.

First he said he could train himself to become Bullseye, now he says he can take Clint easily.

Only a matter of time before h1 reaches skyfather or abstract tier.

I used to brag about being able to do super feats too, then my balls drops and I stopped.

Originally posted by Robtard
I used to brag about being able to do super feats too, then my balls drops and I stopped.

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