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Arthur as of his final film in the DCEU
Peak Angry Hulk from the MCU

MORALS OFF

Does the fight take place on land or water? Do they get weapons or is it pure h2h?

Originally posted by carthage
Arthur as of his final film in the DCEU
Peak Angry Hulk from the MCU

MORALS OFF BANE DIES

Hulk

Bane

Outside of water, Aquaman is basically a brick. He's super strong and super tough but he doesn't have any esoteric or ranged abilities. He doesn't have super speed, flight, or any form of mobility advantages. He has some fighting skill but it's not that excessive.

So in the end he's a brick who's going up against a stronger, tougher brick. Heck, Hulk even has better mobility due to his ability to power jumps.

Yeah, Hulk wins.

I'm assuming Arthur has his trident, otherwise this is a bad thread.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm assuming Arthur has his trident, otherwise this is a bad thread.

What's so good about the trident?

^ Ah yes what was I thinking..

Originally posted by Darth Thor
What's so good about the trident?

Can STAB Hulk in the face and use as defense.

Originally posted by h1a8
Can STAB Hulk in the face and use as defense.

More like Arthur gets the trident rammed up his ass

Originally posted by tkitna
More like Arthur gets the trident rammed up his ass

Sounds more Hancock style.

Hulk will likely just break his trident before smashing Arthur.

So basically Hulk is immune to being stabbed. Or throat slashed. Good to know.

Originally posted by h1a8
So basically Hulk is immune to being stabbed. Or throat slashed. Good to know.

Doubt it would put him down for good. Also, you seem awfully confident that would happen for some reason.

What feats of Arthur's makes H1 think he can/will slash throats and stab Hulk? Feats please.

I wouldn't say Hulk is completely invulnerable to being stabbed with such a weapon, but no way its gonna put him down for good.

Originally posted by tkitna
Doubt it would put him down for good. Also, you seem awfully confident that would happen for some reason. MCU Hulk has no HF. A vital stab or slash will end him.
Arthur can take a beating too and still be in the fight.
It would take Hulk several to many hits to put him down. Arthur isn't just going to let Hulk punch him in the face. He will be having active defense.

Arthur is incredibly skilled with the trident (especially when you see him fight Orm).

I'm not saying he wins this but it will be a good fight that can go either way.
It's not a stomp.

I see Hulk winning if Arthur forgets all his h2h and trident skills he learned and displayed (basically fights like a moron).
Hulk has no particular h2h skill, especially when it comes to defense against attacks.

Originally posted by h1a8
MCU Hulk has no HF. A vital stab or slash will end him.
Arthur can take a beating too and still be in the fight.
It would take Hulk several to many hits to put him down. Arthur isn't just going to let Hulk punch him in the face. He will be having active defense.

Arthur is incredibly skilled with the trident (especially when you see him fight Orm).

I'm not saying he wins this but it will be a good fight that can go either way.
It's not a stomp.

I see Hulk winning if Arthur forgets all his h2h and trident skills he learned and displayed (basically fights like a moron).
Hulk has no particular h2h skill, especially when it comes to defense against attacks.

Does he have the propensity to slash his opponents' throats? To kill?

Originally posted by h1a8
MCU Hulk has no HF. A vital stab or slash will end him.


I hear this all the time and I know its based off his arm being wrecked by the Infinity Gauntlet despite his early films showing otherwise. I also realize it took a dose of Jennifers blood to heal it. I don't know, I guess it's something thats in the gray area, especially when there's characters like Deadpool who heals from anything.

Fenris did little damage trying to chew Hulk. I believe the most he got was a puncture wound in Hulk's leg that didn't seem to bother Hulk in the next scene. So either Hulk has HF or it was a topical wound. Either way it's proof that Arthur's trident won't have an easy time hurting Hulk.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Fenris did little damage trying to chew Hulk. I believe the most he got was a puncture wound in Hulk's leg that didn't seem to bother Hulk in the next scene. So either Hulk has HF or it was a topical wound. Either way it's proof that Arthur's trident won't have an easy time hurting Hulk.

Trident is much sharper. Can slice as well as stab.
Thigh isn't a vital area. Some vital areas are Throat, vital arteries, eyes, etc.

Hulk can't have a HF due to several instances of him being damaged and not healing from it.

Fenris has no other showings to reference from other than biting Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does he have the propensity to slash his opponents' throats? To kill?

He tried to kill Steppenwolf with the trident. He tried to stab him in the neck, head area.
If he knows how powerful Hulk is, or takes a hit (to learn) the I'm sure he knows he has to be more vigilant.

Trying to kill Steppenwolf=/= trying to kill every opponent he meets.

Originally posted by h1a8
Trident is much sharper. Can slice as well as stab.
Thigh isn't a vital area. Some vital areas are Throat, vital arteries, eyes, etc.

Hulk can't have a HF due to several instances of him being damaged and not healing from it.

Fenris has no other showings to reference from other than biting Hulk.

Fenris also bit Hulk in the arm as well as his torso... no wounds visible. Hulk pried open Fenris' jaw with his hands... no wounds. Fenris latched to Hulk's leg and ragdolled him for a bit yet it took quite some time before he wounded Hulk.

In other words, we have multiple feats showcasing Hulk being resistant to puncture wounds. Now, please show me feats to prove that Arthur can easily pierce someone as durable as Hulk.

Originally posted by tkitna
I hear this all the time and I know its based off his arm being wrecked by the Infinity Gauntlet despite his early films showing otherwise. I also realize it took a dose of Jennifers blood to heal it. I don't know, I guess it's something thats in the gray area, especially when there's characters like Deadpool who heals from anything.

It seemed they were hinting Jen was the one with healing abilities.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk can't have a HF due to several instances of him being damaged and not healing from it.



Besides his arm, what are these other instances?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
It seemed they were hinting Jen was the one with healing abilities.

Yeah, your right, but I think his arm was so wrecked from the gauntlet that it needed both bloods to actually heal it. Jens amped the healing. Let's be real for a moment, she became She-Hulk due to a transfusion from Bruce. Why would she have a healing factor and he doesn't when they share the same blood? He has had instances in film where he shook off some pretty bad stuff (Fenris mentioned earlier) with no apparent wounds later on. Abomination stabbed him with a bone and he seemed fine shortly after. The scar was still there, but it didn't seem to affect him in any way.

I'm not arguing or debating anything, i'm just stating my opinion which doesn't mean crap .

He was also unaffected by tranq needles when they tried shooting him. Just bounced off his skin.

Originally posted by tkitna
Besides his arm, what are these other instances?

Getting struck by lightning in the previous film. Unless you say it isn't Canon to MCU Hulk.
Possibly injured from the iron man fight. I have to rewatch the scene again.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Fenris also bit Hulk in the arm as well as his torso... no wounds visible. Hulk pried open Fenris' jaw with his hands... no wounds. Fenris latched to Hulk's leg and ragdolled him for a bit yet it took quite some time before he wounded Hulk.

In other words, we have multiple feats showcasing Hulk being resistant to puncture wounds. Now, please show me feats to prove that Arthur can easily pierce someone as durable as Hulk.

Remember I said
Fenris has no other showings to reference from other than biting Hulk.

Originally posted by h1a8
Getting struck by lightning in the previous film. Unless you say it isn't Canon to MCU Hulk.
Possibly injured from the iron man fight. I have to rewatch the scene again.



Remember I said
Fenris has no other showings to reference from other than biting Hulk. come back when you know, then, rather than making assertions in the hope no one calls you out on it.

Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah, your right, but I think his arm was so wrecked from the gauntlet that it needed both bloods to actually heal it. Jens amped the healing. Let's be real for a moment, she became She-Hulk due to a transfusion from Bruce. Why would she have a healing factor and he doesn't when they share the same blood? He has had instances in film where he shook off some pretty bad stuff (Fenris mentioned earlier) with no apparent wounds later on. Abomination stabbed him with a bone and he seemed fine shortly after. The scar was still there, but it didn't seem to affect him in any way.

I'm not arguing or debating anything, i'm just stating my opinion which doesn't mean crap .


Well the She-Hulk show didn't follow logic much lol

For the record, I do wish they would showcase healing abilities for MCU Hulk.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well the She-Hulk show didn't follow logic much lol

For the record, I do wish they would showcase healing abilities for MCU Hulk.

Banner says he tries to eat a bullet, but the big guy spits it out. That's pretty HF to me.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Banner says he tries to eat a bullet, but the big guy spits it out. That's pretty HF to me.


"showcase"

"inability to read"

^ Well cool then it's pretty hf TO YOU. That's all we need.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Banner says he tries to eat a bullet, but the big guy spits it out. That's pretty HF to me.

I forgot about that, but that's a very good point.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Well cool then it's pretty hf TO YOU. That's all we need.

Lol I meant I was unable to read .....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol I meant I was unable to read .....


Ah fair enough lol


Originally posted by tkitna
I forgot about that, but that's a very good point.

Yeah Bruce seems to heal at least before he becomes Hulk.

That is actually showcased in Ragnarok when he jumps onto the bridge to turn, but seems to "die" first. Then becomes Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
come back when you know, then, rather than making assertions in the hope no one calls you out on it.
I do know. That's why I posted the scene where he didn't heal.

But you said there were 'none'.

For that assertion, you'd need to have known all the scenes, including the Iron Man one.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But you said there were 'none'.

For that assertion, you'd need to have known all the scenes, including the Iron Man one. huh
I'm clueless to what we are, talking about.

Remind me
Spoon feed me please

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk can't have a HF due to several instances of him being damaged and not healing from it.

You are indeed slow today.

What are these several instances? If you don't know them, don't assert them as fact.

I can break it down even further - you are trolling and attempting to lie.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You are indeed slow today.

What are these several instances? If you don't know them, don't assert them as fact.

I can break it down even further - you are trolling and attempting to lie.

I gave two.
The lightning scene and the scene against Hulkbuster IM.
Then you have the IF gauntlet scene.

Originally posted by h1a8
I gave two.
The lightning scene and the scene against Hulkbuster IM.
Then you have the IF gauntlet scene.

Your Hulkbuster was a possibly, and that you needed to rewatch it. So again, don't assert things as fact when you are unsure - simple.

Enough spoon feeding?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does he have the propensity to slash his opponents' throats? To kill?

Yes.
For several reasons.
In most sword or blade fighting scenes (in nearly all movies including Aquaman movie) both attackers are shown to, at least once, attempt to deliver a fatal strike. Blame the choreography?


Aquaman has displayed multiple times of attempts that will deliver death if the attack was landed. Fortunately, the attack was blocked, parried, or dodged.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes.
For several reasons.
In most sword or blade fighting scenes (in nearly all movies including Aquaman movie) both attackers are shown to, at least once, attempt to deliver a fatal strike. Blame the choreography?


Aquaman has displayed multiple times of attempts that will deliver death if the attack was landed. Fortunately, the attack was blocked, parried, or dodged.
Show these scenes - so you have nothing for an unarmed combatant.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes.
For several reasons.
In most sword or blade fighting scenes (in nearly all movies including Aquaman movie) both attackers are shown to, at least once, attempt to deliver a fatal strike. Blame the choreography?


Aquaman has displayed multiple times of attempts that will deliver death if the attack was landed. Fortunately, the attack was blocked, parried, or dodged.
^^^Stop making things up, man.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Show these scenes - so you have nothing for an unarmed combatant.

Every scene. Pick a movie and watch it. Any movie you like that has blade fighting. Now you are being silly. Aquaman has done it in at least 3 scenes (two against Orm and 1 against Steppenwolf).

Aquaman is armed in this discussion.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Stop making things up, man.

Name one thing I made up in the post. Just one.

Originally posted by h1a8
Every scene. Pick a movie and watch it. Any movie you like that has blade fighting. Now you are being silly. Aquaman has done it in at least 3 scenes (two against Orm and 1 against Steppenwolf).

Aquaman is armed in this discussion.

Orm and Steppenwolf were armed, right?

Again, as you seem incredibly slow these days - propensity for Aquaman to go for killing blows against unarmed opponents, please.

You're just telling me 'trust me, it's there, watch yourself '. That's trolling.

Originally posted by h1a8
I gave two.
The lightning scene and the scene against Hulkbuster IM.
Then you have the IF gauntlet scene.


Honestly I have no idea what you are referring to here. You will have to be wayyyy more specific if you are going to Prove Hulk has no healing abilities.

At the very least it is strongly suggested Hulk recovers very fast e.g.

1. When Thor is beating on Hulk in Ragnorak, then out of nowhere Hulk catches Thor's weapon and goes on to overpower him.

2. When Hulkbuster IM is beating on Hulk (giving it everything) in Age of Ultron, only for Hulk to spit a tooth out, look at IM, and Tony says "I'm sorry".

3. When Abomination is beating on Hulk in The Incredible Hulk, only for Hulk to overpower him by the end.


^ That's called various examples and being specific.

I also see you've not properly addressed Froth's clear point of Hulk seeming to be resistant to puncture wounds against Fenris. I'll also add aircraft bullets (which you think have a billion tons of force) didn't leave a mark on Hulk either in The Avengers.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Honestly I have no idea what you are referring to here. You will have to be wayyyy more specific if you are going to Prove Hulk has no healing abilities.

At the very least it is strongly suggested Hulk recovers very fast e.g.

1. When Thor is beating on Hulk in Ragnorak, then out of nowhere Hulk catches Thor's weapon and goes on to overpower him.

2. When Hulkbuster IM is beating on Hulk (giving it everything) in Age of Ultron, only for Hulk to spit a tooth out, look at IM, and Tony says "I'm sorry".

3. When Abomination is beating on Hulk in The Incredible Hulk, only for Hulk to overpower him by the end.


^ That's called various examples and being specific.

I also see you've not properly addressed Froth's clear point of Hulk seeming to be resistant to puncture wounds against Fenris. I'll also add aircraft bullets (which you think have a billion tons of force) didn't leave a mark on Hulk either in The Avengers.

Lightning struck Hulk in The incredible Hulk movie. You see the wound. It didn't heal at all.
The IF gauntlet snap injured Hulk's arm. It didn't heal.
Wood is puncture resistant. That is meaningless in itself.

Fenris has no other showings to provide evidence of how much Bite pressure (and how hard is teeth is) he has. So using him as an example is arguing in circles.

I never said that about aircraft bullets.
And what I did say (which wasn't that) was due to an error from the calculator I used. The numbers were way off.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Orm and Steppenwolf were armed, right?

Again, as you seem incredibly slow these days - propensity for Aquaman to go for killing blows against unarmed opponents, please.

You're just telling me 'trust me, it's there, watch yourself '. That's trolling.

You are making stuff up.
The writer never provided any reasoning or evidence that Arthur will only try to kill someone because the have a bladed weapon in their hand.

Arthur would attempt to kill Steppenwolf even if Steppenwolf didn't have his weapon at the time (say it got knocked away). This is common sense.

I gave you 3 scenes. How is that trolling?
Actually I gave infinite scenes. I said all fighting scenes in history (with bladed weapons).

Arthur's going to get pummeled my a larger, stronger and more durable brick. As he's generally not a smart fighter, he just goes fist in, which will play into the Hulk's style of fighting.

Having said that, MCU Hulk either does not have a HF or it's incredibly slow for a HF. He seems to heal when he transform back into Banner. We saw this starting in 2008 with TIH.

It's retarded as Hulk's better-than-Wolverine's HF is a huge part of his character. But the MCU is the MCU. Ang Lee got the HF right, Disney did not.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are making stuff up.
The writer never provided any reasoning or evidence that Arthur will only try to kill someone because the have a bladed weapon in their hand.

Arthur would attempt to kill Steppenwolf even if Steppenwolf didn't have his weapon at the time (say it got knocked away). This is common sense.

I gave you 3 scenes. How is that trolling?
Actually I gave infinite scenes. I said all fighting scenes in history (with bladed weapons).

They did, by having him written as such (an honourable warrior who does not mercilessly go for killing blows at the start of a fight against unarmed, in this case topless, opponents). I asked for proof that he would, as you assert, and I get.... nothing. Which shows me that you have zero proof of his propensity to do so against an unarmed, half naked (i.e. unarmoured) opponent.

Thanks.

The best (and only one) you should have posted, was him against Superman - but I don't think he was trying to kill him there.

And Superman just punched him away.

Originally posted by Robtard
Arthur's going to get pummeled my a larger, stronger and more durable brick. As he's generally not a smart fighter, he just goes fist in, which will play into the Hulk's style of fighting.

Having said that, MCU Hulk either does not have a HF or it's incredibly slow for a HF. He seems to heal when he transform back into Banner. We saw this starting in 2008 with TIH.

It's retarded as Hulk's better-than-Wolverine's HF is a huge part of his character. But the MCU is the MCU. Ang Lee got the HF right, Disney did not.

They havent even officially confirmed Hulk gets stronger as he gets madder.

Something again Ang Lee did make clear in his one film.

So yeah MCU has done Hulk dirty (somewhat) in multiple ways. The Snap was the perfect time to confirm his healing abilities but I guess they wanted She-Hulk to the rescue instead.

Lol Hulk smash

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They did, by having him written as such (an honourable warrior who does not mercilessly go for killing blows at the start of a fight against unarmed, in this case topless, opponents). I asked for proof that he would, as you assert, and I get.... nothing. Which shows me that you have zero proof of his propensity to do so against an unarmed, half naked (i.e. unarmoured) opponent.

Thanks.

The best (and only one) you should have posted, was him against Superman - but I don't think he was trying to kill him there.

And Superman just punched him away.

Lol
That's the only way to fight with a bladed weapon. You cant ko an opponent with a sword. Any movie fight with a bladed weapon will show attempted strikes that can cause death or severe injury if landed.

You are arguing not only against how all fight scenes with bladed weapons are shown but against common sense.

With that said,
Imo it's not a loss (in the spirit of who is more formidable) if someone loses because the only way to win is to kill but they choose not to kill.

Plus Arthur knows Hulk is stronger than him.

Plus you are making shit up (your own rules of honor). There are no universal rules of honor. Imo it is not unhonorable to attempt to kill an unarmed combatant if the are more powerful than you.

And thank you. Arthur tried to stab the shit out of Superman. That also defeats your argument.

Originally posted by h1a8
Lol
That's the only way to fight with a bladed weapon. You cant ko an opponent with a sword. Any movie fight with a bladed weapon will show attempted strikes that can cause death or severe injury if landed.

You are arguing not only against how all fight scenes with bladed weapons are shown but against common sense.

With that said,
Imo it's not a loss (in the spirit of who is more formidable) if someone loses because the only way to win is to kill but they choose not to kill.

Plus Arthur knows Hulk is stronger than him.

Plus you are making shit up (your own rules of honor). There are no universal rules of honor. Imo it is not unhonorable to attempt to kill an unarmed combatant if the are more powerful than you.

And thank you. Arthur tried to stab the shit out of Superman. That also defeats your argument.

My argument was that he won't go for a KILLING blow against Hulk.

The example with Superman....he wasn't trying to kill him (hence my usage of it).

Since you so graciously accepted it, it means you accept my argument as well. Glad we agree.

Guys, this is how you defeat H1 - I've done it numerous times now.

Let me remind you, H1:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does he have the propensity to slash his opponents' throats? To kill?

He wasn't trying to kill Superman guess you lost sight of what you're trying to argue.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My argument was that he won't go for a KILLING blow against Hulk.

The example with Superman....he wasn't trying to kill him (hence my usage of it).

Since you so graciously accepted it, it means you accept my argument as well. Glad we agree.

Guys, this is how you defeat H1 - I've done it numerous times now.

Let me remind you, H1:



He wasn't trying to kill Superman guess you lost sight of what you're trying to argue.
For Superman
So stabbing someone in the chest or neck area isn't is killing blow? Good to know. I learn something every day.

My point is that you can argue intentions all you want. But it all goes out of the window with bladed weapons in movie scenes. They are used to kill or cause severe injury. The are not for knocking someone out. Every fight, no matter how honorable someone is, shows them at least once attempting a strike that can kill if landed. These are bladed weapons for crying out loud. What do you expect?

I gave multiple examples of how Arthur made attempted a strike (that if landed will kill or cause great bodily harm) in his fight scenes. You listed one of them, a damning one too.

Originally posted by h1a8
For Superman
So stabbing someone in the chest or neck area isn't is killing blow? Good to know. I learn something every day.

My point is that you can argue intentions all you want. But it all goes out of the window with bladed weapons in movie scenes. They are used to kill or cause severe injury. The are not for knocking someone out. Every fight, no matter how honorable someone is, shows them at least once attempting a strike that can kill if landed. These are bladed weapons for crying out loud. What do you expect?

I gave multiple examples of how Arthur made attempted a strike (that if landed will kill or cause great bodily harm) in his fight scenes. You listed one of them, a damning one too.

Rewatch the scene again .....he wasn't trying to kill Superman, lol. Do you even know what scene I'm talking about????

Originally posted by Darth Thor
They havent even officially confirmed Hulk gets stronger as he gets madder.

Something again Ang Lee did make clear in his one film.

So yeah MCU has done Hulk dirty (somewhat) in multiple ways. The Snap was the perfect time to confirm his healing abilities but I guess they wanted She-Hulk to the rescue instead.

He got stronger and overpowered Abomination when Betty was in trouble, but I don't know if people are including that movie for whatever reason.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Rewatch the scene again .....he wasn't trying to kill Superman, lol. Do you even know what scene I'm talking about????

The scene where AM tries to stab Superman center of mass. I just watched the scene.

The Leviathans were said by Zak Penn, co-writer of the first Avengers, to be probably like three million tons. While that figure is incredibly stupid and would make them cartoonishly dense this still means that Penn saw no problem with having Hulk punch and flip something which weighs three million tons.

Even the most charitable estimates of Aquaman's submarine feat put it at about 20,000 tons or so (accounting for not just the submarine's weight but things like drag and displacing all that water so quickly), well short of Hulk's strength.

Only Kryptonians have feats or statements around or in excess of strength like that in the DCEU.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The Leviathans were said by Zak Penn, co-writer of the first Avengers, to be probably like three million tons. While that figure is incredibly stupid and would make them cartoonishly dense this still means that Penn saw no problem with having Hulk punch and flip something which weighs three million tons.

Even the most charitable estimates of Aquaman's submarine feat put it at about 20,000 tons or so (accounting for not just the submarine's weight but things like drag and displacing all that water so quickly), well short of Hulk's strength.

Only Kryptonians have feats or statements around or in excess of strength like that in the DCEU.

Leviathans range from 100-500tons.
I forgot my actual calculations.

Anything above 500 tons is completely false.

Originally posted by h1a8
Leviathans range from 100-500tons.
I forgot my actual calculations.

Anything above 500 tons is completely false.

Your calculation don't mean crap. Lol. Write your own movie with your own calculations. Your real to you physics don't pertain to fictional movies.

Originally posted by h1a8
Leviathans range from 100-500tons.
I forgot my actual calculations.

Anything above 500 tons is completely false. That actually is closer to being "accurate", though being the agenda-having piece of shit scumbag you are you're lowballing it.

But it doesn't matter what you calculate. Per the writer of the film it's three million tons, so clearly Hulk flipping three million tons while it is in motion is accurate to his capabilities per the writer.

Originally posted by h1a8
The scene where AM tries to stab Superman center of mass. I just watched the scene.

Did you miss the part where WW said 'We have to kill him?'. Oh wait, that never happened.

Originally posted by NemeBro
That actually is closer to being "accurate", though being the agenda-having piece of shit scumbag you are you're lowballing it.

But it doesn't matter what you calculate. Per the writer of the film it's three million tons, so clearly Hulk flipping three million tons while it is in motion is accurate to his capabilities per the writer.

It's 1 pound because I said so. And my word goes more than anyone else's.
How do you like that?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Did you miss the part where WW said 'We have to kill him?'. Oh wait, that never happened.

Doesn't matter. All that matters is the action.

I can attempt to stab you in the throat without intending to kill you in a movie.

Originally posted by h1a8
Doesn't matter. All that matters is the action.

I can attempt to stab you in the throat without intending to kill you in a movie.

Very interesting. So you agree he doesn't go for killing blows. Good we both agree.

Now, you are trying to move it to throat stabbing (I thought you said you saw him attempting to stab his center of mass? Curious how quickly you change positions lmao).

Speaking of changing positions, looks like you ARE learning something new everyday

Now, how long do you think Superman's arms are?

Originally posted by tkitna
He got stronger and overpowered Abomination when Betty was in trouble, but I don't know if people are including that movie for whatever reason.


It counts. And that certainly hinted that he gets stronger as he gets madder. It's just not stated anywhere yet IIRC. My point is that if we didn't know that was a thing from the comics, or the Ang Lee film, then we wouldn't think that was a thing in the MCU.

But I've already stated that if nothing else, MCU Hulk clearly recovers fast. Whether that's due to healing, or getting stronger, who knows. Would be nice if they confirmed something on screen. It's only a line.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Very interesting. So you agree he doesn't go for killing blows. Good we both agree.

Now, you are trying to move it to throat stabbing (I thought you said you saw him attempting to stab his center of mass? Curious how quickly you change positions lmao).

Speaking of changing positions, looks like you ARE learning something new everyday

Now, how long do you think Superman's arms are?

Your reading comprehension is failing. I never claimed or implied he tried to stab Superman in the throat. I just gave an example of a killing shot without trying to kill.

His intentions may not be to kill (debatable) but he will go for killing shots as
1. That's how he fights
2. He has no choice but to attack that way with a bladed weapon

Originally posted by h1a8
It's 1 pound because I said so. And my word goes more than anyone else's.
How do you like that?

So you admit that you ignore facts and intentions from the writers and only believe what you believe?

Concession accepted. You can quit now.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your reading comprehension is failing. I never claimed or implied he tried to stab Superman in the throat. I just gave an example of a killing shot without trying to kill.

His intentions may not be to kill (debatable) but he will go for killing shots as
1. That's how he fights
2. He has no choice but to attack that way with a bladed weapon

You mean..... I gave an example not you. I was the one who referenced it, shall I refresh your memory (yet again)?

So back to square one. When has he ever gone for killing attacks when fighting an unarmed opponent? Please show examples. What's his propensity

Also, you DO know the trident isn't bladed, right? come back when you actually know what you're arguing.

Originally posted by tkitna
So you admit that you ignore facts and intentions from the writers and only believe what you believe?

Concession accepted. You can quit now.

It's hilarious how badly he gets whipped but is unable to understand how badly.....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You mean..... I gave an example not you. I was the one who referenced it, shall I refresh your memory (yet again)?

So back to square one. When has he ever gone for killing attacks when fighting an unarmed opponent? Please show examples. What's his propensity

Also, you DO know the trident isn't bladed, right? come back when you actually know what you're arguing.



It's hilarious how badly he gets whipped but is unable to understand how badly.....

You are making up rules that he will not go for killing attacks against more unarmed but powerful opponents vs armed opponents (who are not necessarily more powerful).

He went for a center of mass stab against Superman. That's a killing blow.

If Steppenwolf would have had his axe knocked away the AM would have still went for killing attacks against him.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are making up rules that he will not go for killing attacks against more unarmed but powerful opponents vs armed opponents (who are not necessarily more powerful).

He went for a center of mass stab against Superman. That's a killing blow.

If Steppenwolf would have had his axe knocked away the AM would have still went for killing attacks against him.

If he doesn't have the propensity to do so, then he won't do it from the get go- something you have argued many a time.

So prove he has the propensity.

So he DID go for a killing blows against Superman, having just been told to restrain him by WW, and having just brought him back from the dead?

Whatever happened to writer's intent *sigh*.

Your made up story sounds fascinating, though, it really does.

Would love to see close-ups of this 'bladed trident' though.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If he doesn't have the propensity to do so, then he won't do it from the get go- something you have argued many a time.

So prove he has the propensity.

So he DID go for a killing blows against Superman, having just been told to restrain him by WW, and having just brought him back from the dead?

Whatever happened to writer's intent *sigh*.

Your made up story sounds fascinating, though, it really does.

Would love to see close-ups of this 'bladed trident' though.

I gave 3 examples of him going for killing attacks. You gave 1.
Changing the goalposts to MORE POWERFUL unarmed combatants is meaningless.

I asked for him going up against unarmed combatants. Were your examples unarmed?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I asked for him going up against unarmed combatants. Were your examples unarmed? Not that it is relevant to the discussion but
What does going up against means exactly? Arthur attempted to stab Superman in the chest area.

I've not even seen the evidence the Trident could do any significant damage to Hulk, so not sure how relevant the above argument is until we can establish that.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
They havent even officially confirmed Hulk gets stronger as he gets madder.

Something again Ang Lee did make clear in his one film.

So yeah MCU has done Hulk dirty (somewhat) in multiple ways. The Snap was the perfect time to confirm his healing abilities but I guess they wanted She-Hulk to the rescue instead.

Aye, that too.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The Leviathans were said by Zak Penn, co-writer of the first Avengers, to be probably like three million tons. While that figure is incredibly stupid and would make them cartoonishly dense this still means that Penn saw no problem with having Hulk punch and flip something which weighs three million tons.

Even the most charitable estimates of Aquaman's submarine feat put it at about 20,000 tons or so (accounting for not just the submarine's weight but things like drag and displacing all that water so quickly), well short of Hulk's strength.

Only Kryptonians have feats or statements around or in excess of strength like that in the DCEU.

I assume that was an offhand joke, as it's completely inconsistent with what we've seen of the actions and durability and Hulk's later feats.

Then again, maybe Hulk is the most powerful Avenger

Originally posted by Robtard

Then again, maybe Hulk is the most powerful Avenger


He should be the "Strongest".

But Captain Marvel and maybe even Ant-Man seemed stronger in Endgame.

The issue with Hulk is that not only did they absolutely drop the ball on him in the first place, but due to his licensing rights being all screwed up through several companies, he's the only Avenger who hasn't had 1-2 solo films or a show after the formation of the group to really show off and solidify what it is he can do and show off how powerful he can be on his own.

We had 08 Hulk(Norton) from before but aside from having the scar Abomination gave him, he's basically a whole new person and his powers are treated differently. Then Ruffalo shows up in Avengers. After that, he's in every Avengers film, and is a support character in Ragnarok, and a support in She-Hulk. But Cap has 3 movies, Ant-Man has 3, Widow has 1, Hawkeye has his show, Iron Man has 3, Captain Marvel has 2 and is always the strongest no matter what, they really hammer that home. Like all the f*cking time.

Thor has 4. Panther has 2. Spidey has 3. Falcon and Bucky have their show as well as being showcased in Winter Soldier/Civil War. Wanda has her show and is the big bad of MoM. Strange has 3 if you count No Way Home. Hulk has only ever been help for others and it's just a shame to see how he's been treated over the past decade+ since they essentially nerf him into the dirt every chance they get to make someone else look good or just to say screw Hulk I guess.

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