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Perseus (Wrath of the Titans)
Achilles (Troy)
Hercules (2014 movie)
Theseus (Immortals)

vs

Constantine (2005 movie)
Michael (Legion)
Samson (2018 movie)
Solomon Kane (2009 movie)

No one?

Michael is a full-blown archangel. Does he have his wings or not? If he does, he's solos the Great team. If he doesn't have his wings, he has machine guns and rocket launchers. So yeah, either way he solos.

Yeah Michael solo's.

Michael of course doesn't have his angelic powers.

But he has machine guns and rocket launchers. This more than makes up for it.

What about H2H only.

Herc solos unless Michael has his angelic powers.

Pfft, what a bunch of nerds.

Perseus is the most powerful one of the groups, being a actual half-god and being strong enough to defeat gods.

Hercules is also a half-god, but his feats do not match Perseus' feats.

Constantine should be up there with his magic, but he's a glass-cannon.

Originally posted by Robtard
Pfft, what a bunch of nerds.

Perseus is the most powerful one of the groups, being a actual half-god and being strong enough to defeat gods.

Hercules is also a half-god, but his feats do not match Perseus' feats.

Constantine should be up there with his magic, but he's a glass-cannon. an angel of the lord, with full angel powers, is light years beyond Perseus and Hercules in terms of strength. Michael would end them both in seconds.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
an angel of the lord, with full angel powers, is light years beyond Perseus and Hercules in terms of strength. Michael would end them both in seconds.

Michael doesn't have his angel powers in this match, nerd

But speaking of these angels, they were not more impressive feat-wise than (2010/2012) Perseus. No-powers Micheal beat up Gabriel and was about to submit him, until Gabriel stabbed through himself to kill Micheal. Perseus fights much tougher magical monsters and gods and wins.

Michael still had the Lord behind him even depowered. I realize Gabriel killed him, but you knew it wasn't permanent. I don't think the Lord would allow Michael to lose to a bunch of false God's.

They're not false gods, they're gods in their own respective universes. We also go by feats and showings in the MVF, which Perseus has many times more than Michael and Gabriel combined. Perseus could solo both angels at full power.

Originally posted by Robtard
They're not false gods, they're gods in their own respective universes. We also go by feats and showings in the MVF, which Perseus has many times more than Michael and Gabriel combined. Perseus could solo both angels at full power. Bruh, when Gabriel was fighting Michael at the end, Gabriel ran himself through with his own sword and it didn't even affect him. It was an angelic weapon, and it did nothing to him except leave a hole. Last time I checked, Perseus can and was hurt by mortal weapons. Add on the fact Michael has machine guns and bazookas, the Greek gods are done here. It's a cakewalk. It's a walk in the park. Either Angel could solo.

Originally posted by Robtard
They're not false gods, they're gods in their own respective universes. We also go by feats and showings in the MVF, which Perseus has many times more than Michael and Gabriel combined. Perseus could solo both angels at full power.

They are poser God's compared to the real true God. Like I said, I don't believe the Lord would ever allow Michael to lose to them.

I do understand and get where your coming from with feats and all though.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Bruh, when Gabriel was fighting Michael at the end, Gabriel ran himself through with his own sword and it didn't even affect him. It was an angelic weapon, and it did nothing to him except leave a hole. Last time I checked, Perseus can and was hurt by mortal weapons. Add on the fact Michael has machine guns and bazookas, the Greek gods are done here. It's a cakewalk. It's a walk in the park. Either Angel could solo.

Gabriel was definitely being hurt during the fight, while he's tough, he's not immune to damage.

LoL, nope. You should probably watch the films again, because Perseus was taking hits to the face from Ares' sword and it didn't leave a mark. He felt it and it hurt, but he took it. Ares then used Perseus' face to break stone and Perseus survived.

Originally posted by tkitna
They are poser God's compared to the real true God. Like I said, I don't believe the Lord would ever allow Michael to lose to them.

I do understand and get where your coming from with feats and all though.

Again, this is a movie forum, they're full blown gods in their own universe. Perseus is a half-god.

Films feats, how we judge these matches. What Michael did and what Perseus did on screen. Perseus is far superior.

Going directly by feats, Perseus is way higher than the Angels. Their fight barely wrecked the diner they were in. And if Gabriel gets his guns, Perseus has the Spear of Triam, which is Zeus' Thunderbolt, Hades Bident, and Poseidon's Trident all fused together and powerful enough to kill Cronos. And as I pointed out int he Perseus v Achilles thread, Perseus is ridiculously physically powerful, even in comparison to the Archangels. They can't fight overpower him by himself, and he has help.

Then there's Theseus who is strong/fast enough to fight and kill Titans who themselves were slaughtering full Gods like Athena and Ares. And he has the Epirus Bow.

Honestly not sure why Think used The Rock Hercules instead of the Kellan Lutz version where he is actually Hercules and can use Zeus' lightning.

But yeah, the Greeks have a huge stat advantage.

Demigods are stronger than archangels? Lol, fools, the lot of you. Observe:

https://youtu.be/Mp6aKCE3jSc?si=1JgHEmfxI_w0tOLk

Gabriel impaled himself through the chest to kill Michael. And it literally had no effect on gabriel. He didn't even feel it. You guys telling me that if Gabriel stabbed Perseus in the chest with that same weapon, Perseus would just laugh it off and keep on fighting?

Observe:

https://youtu.be/Rq7HrEhcanE?si=Zm1GZbPsVCDsoAl7

The diner blows up with Gabriel inside it. What effect did it have on him? Nothing.

What if Hercules and Perseus were inside that diner when it blew up? Would they just laughing off and keep on fighting? LOL no. They would be dead. You guys are going by screen feats, so am i. The angels are many times tougher. They are much harder to kill. Here's a question, if Michael unloads a full clip into perseus's chest, would Perseus just shake it off and LOL and keep fighting?

Originally posted by Robtard
They're not false gods, they're gods in their own respective universes. We also go by feats and showings in the MVF, which Perseus has many times more than Michael and Gabriel combined. Perseus could solo both angels at full power.

Exactly, just because it's not your real life religious belief doesn't make it a false god.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Demigods are stronger than archangels?



Regarding these fictional characters. The answer is "yes".

Originally posted by Robtard
Gabriel was definitely being hurt during the fight, while he's tough, he's not immune to damage.

LoL, nope. You should probably watch the films again, because Perseus was taking hits to the face from Ares' sword and it didn't leave a mark. He felt it and it hurt, but he took it. Ares then used Perseus' face to break stone and Perseus survived. LOL dude they're not stronger than angels. Definitely not stronger than archangels. Pull your head out of your ass.

But hey, let's say, for argument's sake, they are at least as strong as archangels. If that were the case, which it's not, what would happen to Perseus if he were to take an RPG to the face? Or if he were strafed across his chest with machine gun fire? You've been dodging that the entire threat. Now answer the damn question. But before you answer that, what was Achilles killed by? Mortal weapons fired by a mortal man. And we all know that 9 mm bullets<>>>mortal arrows.

And ask yourself this: name the instances when Gabriel or Michael were genuinely injured in battle? Noticeably so? It was from another angel with....... Wait for it....... An archangel blade 😁

This debate is over. You've been beaten. You've been outdebated at every turn.

First of all, I am not talking about Achilles, he's just human in his film. I am talking about Perseus, who is half god.

Second, I made a demigod vs archangel match to address that fight: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=17738074#post17738074

Dude, now you're just trolling. Give it up. A demigod cannot defeat an archangel. Archangel blade, dude.

Originally posted by tkitna
They are poser God's compared to the real true God. Like I said, I don't believe the Lord would ever allow Michael to lose to them.

I do understand and get where your coming from with feats and all though.

You can't use your personal beliefs from real life and claim they are "false gods".

I am agnostic, they are all "false gods" deities created by man to give meaning and understanding to events and things they did not understand.

They are all real gods in they're own universe.

Well at least this topic started some fire

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
You can't use your personal beliefs from real life and claim they are "false gods".

I am agnostic, they are all "false gods" deities created by man to give meaning and understanding to events and things they did not understand.

They are all real gods in they're own universe.

Even if you don't believe, you have seen or should know what the wrath of the true Lord brings and what he thinks of other 'false Gods and idols'.

Originally posted by tkitna
Even if you don't believe, you have seen or should know what the wrath of the true Lord brings and what he thinks of other 'false Gods and idols'.
The Greek/Roman God's were worshipped for 1,000 years before Christianity was invented. By that logic isn't the "True Lord" the false God?

To the ancient Greeks their gods from Apollo to Zeus were as real to them as the the Abramhic god is to Jews, Christians and Muslims.

But we're talking about fictional movie characters here...

Originally posted by KingD19
The Greek/Roman God's were worshipped for 1,000 years before Christianity was invented. By that logic isn't the "True Lord" the false God?

Sure they were worshipped before Christ walked the earth, but Jesus spoke and taught about the Father dismissing them. Some Greek God's are even mentioned in the Bible.

Speaking of false Gods, we know what an archangel can do to a false God. All you have to do is watch Supernatural. Lucifer wipes the floor with about a dozen of them. Sheeva, Odin, and many others. And LOL he's not even as strong as Michael.

Being false gods in the Supernatural universe doesn't mean they're false gods, or weak in others. Just like Satan's power can vary depending on the film or franchise he/she's in.

What are yall not understanding, these are movie characters, whatever the Bible says literally has nothing to do with what the characters in that movie universe can do

Unless it's specifically stated or shown on film that a character has the protection of film "God", that's not a usable feat.

eg The Blues Brothers were on a "mission from God" and had God's protection to save the orphanage. Eli from the Book of Eli was under God's protection to deliver the NKJB/himself to Alcatraz. Stated and shown.

Bane

Originally posted by Robtard
Being false gods in the Supernatural universe doesn't mean they're false gods, or weak in others. Just like Satan's power can vary depending on the film or franchise he/she's in. Pagan Gods, I meant to say.

Originally posted by KingD19
The Greek/Roman God's were worshipped for 1,000 years before Christianity was invented. By that logic isn't the "True Lord" the false God? I have a theory on this.

Originally posted by Robtard
Unless it's specifically stated or shown on film that a character has the protection of film "God", that's not a usable feat.

eg The Blues Brothers were on a "mission from God" and had God's protection to save the orphanage. Eli from the Book of Eli was under God's protection to deliver the NKJB/himself to Alcatraz. Stated and shown.

I understand what your saying and am not trying to debate, but God was never going to let Michael fail so he was under God's protection. Yes he allowed Gabriel to technically kill him, but it was planned that way.

Originally posted by tkitna
I understand what your saying and am not trying to debate, but God was never going to let Michael fail so he was under God's protection. Yes he allowed Gabriel to technically kill him, but it was planned that way.
It wasn't that he wasn't going to let Michael fail. Michael was his favorite and the only Angel with the balls to stand up to God when he was out of line. His entire plan was to test the Angels and see if they were willing to stand against him when he did the wrong thing, and Michael was the only one who did.

That's why when Gabriel killed him, God revived him as an Archangel and let him go back to Earth to save the baby. He never planned to kill off humanity. He only wanted to see if his Angels were truly faithful to him or just Yes Men who only did what they thought he wanted, not what he actually needed. Michael explains this in the movie. Gabriel even leaves in shame after Michael puts him in his place.

Originally posted by KingD19
It wasn't that he wasn't going to let Michael fail. Michael was his favorite and the only Angel with the balls to stand up to God when he was out of line. His entire plan was to test the Angels and see if they were willing to stand against him when he did the wrong thing, and Michael was the only one who did.

That's why when Gabriel killed him, God revived him as an Archangel and let him go back to Earth to save the baby. He never planned to kill off humanity. He only wanted to see if his Angels were truly faithful to him or just Yes Men who only did what they thought he wanted, not what he actually needed. Michael explains this in the movie. Gabriel even leaves in shame after Michael puts him in his place.

Yes and well said. My point though was that Michael was doing what God wanted and what God needed and God was never going to allow him to fail to save the baby.

Originally posted by tkitna
Yes and well said. My point though was that Michael was doing what God wanted and what God needed and God was never going to allow him to fail to save the baby.

No, God allowed Michael the chance to save the baby. Michael, the mother and the other guy all work together to make sure this happened.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
No, God allowed Michael the chance to save the baby. Michael, the mother and the other guy all work together to make sure this happened.

The baby was the savior of humanity. The Lord was not going to allow Gabriel to kill or take the baby. Michael was always going to win.

Originally posted by tkitna
The baby was the savior of humanity. The Lord was not going to allow Gabriel to kill or take the baby. Michael was always going to win. that's your interpretation. My interpretation is the baby was fair game, may the better angel win. Fortunately mankind and the better Angel did win. Besides, if God was never going to allow the baby to be killed, why did he give the order to kill mankind off at the beginning?

Yeah, God sacrificed hundreds of thousands of humans to let them get possessed and even more who got killed by them. He planned on going through with his plan if none of the angels actually stepped up.

Exactly. "You tried to give him what he wanted, I gave him what he needed."

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
that's your interpretation. My interpretation is the baby was fair game, may the better angel win. Fortunately mankind and the better Angel did win. Besides, if God was never going to allow the baby to be killed, why did he give the order to kill mankind off at the beginning?

He gave the order to see how the angels would react. Michael was his favorite angel and he knew how he would react. It was a test to the rest of them.

God doesn't make mistakes. That's being overlooked here for some reason.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah, God sacrificed hundreds of thousands of humans to let them get possessed and even more who got killed by them. He planned on going through with his plan if none of the angels actually stepped up.

He knew Michael would though. It's not like he doesn't know. It was an example the other angels had to have.

He could've hoped and assumed, but he didn't know. For example, God didn't know Lucifer would rebel. He didn't know Adam would fall for Eve's temptation and get them kicked out of Eden. That's the whole point of free will. He can make the test, but it's up to you whether you pass or fail. So you can't say for 100% certain God knew Michael would go against his orders to do what was right. He also could've just gone along with Gabriel.

Originally posted by KingD19
He could've hoped and assumed, but he didn't know. For example, God didn't know Lucifer would rebel. He didn't know Adam would fall for Eve's temptation and get them kicked out of Eden. That's the whole point of free will. He can make the test, but it's up to you whether you pass or fail. So you can't say for 100% certain God knew Michael would go against his orders to do what was right. He also could've just gone along with Gabriel.

We'll have to agree to disagree. No biggie.

God knows all. He knew all of those things were going to happen. Yes, he gives us all free will, but he knows what we are going to do. He knows we are all weak and fail on a regular basis. He got fed up with us once and took out almost everybody with the floods. He is going to do so again with fire (Revelations). He sent down his only son in guise of himself. Jesus knew Peter was going to betray him 3 times and even told him so even when Peter had freewill. Jesus knew he was going to die and told his prophets it was written as such. Etc,,,.

God knows all. He knew the outcome before it even happened. That's why i'll bail on this thread because the movie maybe did not portray it that way and my take is to literal.

You guys are reading way too much into this.

So uhh what about the other guys in this fight?

What about them? Michael mows them down with his machine guns.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Dude, now you're just trolling. Give it up. A demigod cannot defeat an archangel. Archangel blade, dude.

Did you just mix up Supernatural and Legion? Also just because you want the Michael to be stronger than Persues doesn't mean he is. Persues is stronger and will crush him in close quarters.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Did you just mix up Supernatural and Legion? Also just because you want the Michael to be stronger than Persues doesn't mean he is. Persues is stronger and will crush him in close quarters. no, Michael had machine guns and rocket launchers in the movie legion. You should probably watch it sometime.

LOL no, Perseus is not stronger than Gabriel.

Answer me this, where do you stand on religion? Are you Christian?

Electricity worked on Michael before.....

Dude, stop.

Answer my question. Are you religious? Are you christian?

I am indeed, yes to both questions, why?

Okay, respect. Me too. Let's compare the Christian God to the Greek Gods. Where does our Christian God get his power from? And where did the Greek Gods get their power from?

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
no, Michael had machine guns and rocket launchers in the movie legion. You should probably watch it sometime.

LOL no, Perseus is not stronger than Gabriel.

Answer me this, where do you stand on religion? Are you Christian?

No, I am not Christian.

And I say Perseus is stronger than Gabriel because he has the feats to back it up. There is no biblical angel in this fight, just two characters loosely based on Christian theology.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Okay, respect. Me too. Let's compare the Christian God to the Greek Gods. Where does our Christian God get his power from? And where did the Greek Gods get their power from?

LoL, dude. Need to drop this silly angle.

To the ancient Greeks their gods were as real to them as the Jewish/Abrahamic God is to you. But this is a fight based on fictional movie characters, stick to the rules.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Okay, respect. Me too. Let's compare the Christian God to the Greek Gods. Where does our Christian God get his power from? And where did the Greek Gods get their power from?

Basically what the others said. My God (or god etc) isn't in this thread, any more than Braveheart or Robin Hood being historically accurate.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, dude. Need to drop this silly angle.

To the ancient Greeks their gods were as real to them as the Jewish/Abrahamic God is to you. But this is a fight based on fictional movie characters, stick to the rules. LOL it's a fair question, why can't you answer? I'll ask again. Where did the Greek gods get their powerful? Where does the Christian God get his power from?

Just answer the damn question. You won't because you see where I'm going with this.

The Greek Gods get their power from being the spawn of Titans, whom are spawn of Mother Earth and Uranus. The limits of their powers are not specifically mentioned, except that they cant or are not allowed to undo another Greek gods curse for example.

God had always been, in Christianity. Where he gets his power from is unknown.

Right. Why did the Greek gods lose their power in Wrath of the titans?

So now its about the movies again or the historical sources?

I can't keep up with it, but in the end only the movie feats and facts count. I think it had to do with being worshipped?

Mvf rule dictate that we use only movie and TV media. What happens on screen or on the tube is what counts. Impediment made the rules, and we adhere to them.

Correct, to retain their power, the Greek gods depended on prayers from the humans. Without said prayers, the Greek gods were powerless. Christian God? His power is infinite and does not depend on prayers.

So, having said that, why would the Christian God create archangels that are inferior to demigods, which were half human? It doesn't add up.

By that logic, why would God create angels at all? His power is infinite anyway, he doesn't need helpers...

Seriously need an answer to this question?

My point was, your question is irrelevant. Only feats count. What God would or wouldnt do is irrelevant.

Okay. But to answer the question, why would the CEO of a major corporation hire underlings to do his bidding? Michael started a security company he's the owner and big boss. Surely he'll have a bunch of security guards working for him. Get it?

I was just watching this video at work. We haven't really discussed John Constantine. I think he would be a big hitter here:

https://youtu.be/SiNMxbbSjEg?si=ONntrOqAUteDJPcZ

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Okay. But to answer the question, why would the CEO of a major corporation hire underlings to do his bidding? Michael started a security company he's the owner and big boss. Surely he'll have a bunch of security guards working for him. Get it?

You compare a mortal CEO who is weaker than his security, to a omnipotent presence that can do anything by simply wanting it?

What in the hell are you talking about?