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Can Conquest beat movie Justice League Superman?

Possibly. I haven't seen the new episode yet. What are his speed feats so far?

If speed were equalized, I'd say Omni-Man beats Superman.

Yes. Conquest was an absolute beast. The damage he and Invincible were dishing out is on another level compared to movie Superman.

Originally posted by tkitna
Yes. Conquest was an absolute beast. The damage he and Invincible were dishing out is on another level compared to movie Superman.
But we can see from JL and Flash that Kryptonians are far faster than Viltrumites in a fight. Omni-Man vs Red Rush is nothing compared to Clark chasing down Barry and Zod beating Flash Dos.

Yeah Red Rush (who is, IIRC a normal human in strength/durability, maybe slightly more as a 'comic human') was actually drawing blood from OmniMan.

Don't get swayed by gore and pretty visuals!

Superman wins pretty easily. Conquest would probably never even touch him.

Dang, I don't remember the Red Rush fight. Will need to go back and watch again. I thought the speed between the Viltrumites and Kryptonians was comparable but I guess i'm wrong.

I still don't know. Just watched it and Red Rush was drawing blood after who knows how many hits when Omni-Man grabbed his head and after Omni-Man casually grabbed his fist when a punch was thrown.

I still think they are comparable.

Yeah, I'm just saying DCEU Superman/Flash > Red Rush, certainly in terms of speed. superman is >>>> Red Rush in terms of strength and durability.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah Red Rush (who is, IIRC a normal human in strength/durability, maybe slightly more as a 'comic human') was actually drawing blood from OmniMan.

Don't get swayed by gore and pretty visuals!

This makes more sense

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I mean.... ignoring the 'oh, maybe it was this, or that's, we still have two admissions from that video:

1. Red Rush shredding the 'indestructible' suit (which is paradoxical, but the YouTube creator admits we haven't seen many things do that); and
2. Red Rush bruising OmniMan (which, if we allow that, is still weird that people don't allow that he's drawing blood).

So we still have a 'normal' human (unless Red Rush had other strength feats) strong enough to cause bruising on OmniMan, and Red Rush punching fast enough to shred the suit.

Superman is still much faster than Rush, and way stronger/durable than Rush.

I obviously have Conquest roughly comparable to OmniMan.

I'd say Nolan would be similar to what Injustice Superman is, in that neither hold back from killing opponents. Injustice supes does still restrain himself to prevent damaging the planet, as did Nolan, because we see what happens when he doesn't, he blows up planetary surfaces through speed. But we also know from the comics, that Clark has done shit even crazier than that...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean.... ignoring the 'oh, maybe it was this, or that's, we still have two admissions from that video:

1. Red Rush shredding the 'indestructible' suit (which is paradoxical, but the YouTube creator admits we haven't seen many things do that); and
2. Red Rush bruising OmniMan (which, if we allow that, is still weird that people don't allow that he's drawing blood).

So we still have a 'normal' human (unless Red Rush had other strength feats) strong enough to cause bruising on OmniMan, and Red Rush punching fast enough to shred the suit.

Superman is still much faster than Rush, and way stronger/durable than Rush.

I obviously have Conquest roughly comparable to OmniMan.

Yeah i'm not arguing or denying anything here, just posted a short that falls in line more to my thinking. It's still evident that Red Rush shredded the costume and bruised him badly if nothing else.

I suppose you and others are right about the speed (and most assuredly strength too) for Supes, but I just get confused about comparing things in different universes (intentions). Again, I can't disagree as the feats line up.

Superman wins. HV would torch Conquest.

When it's animated vs live action, the cartoon usually has the advantages. But Viltrumites do not seem stronger or more durable than DCU Kryptonians. Definitely not faster.

The main problem is that every Kryptonian that isn't Faora just straight up don't know how to fight. I think Clark gets the shit beat out of him even if he does outstat conquest in speed. Mark and Conquests damage output is far above anything the Kryptonians showed

HV will only work once, it's pretty obvious when it's about to be used.

Going by the flash movie, Mark and Conquest would have dominated that Kryptonian invasion. Nothing any Kryptonian has shown says they can handle a fight like that for long. The shockwave from Mark and Conquests was hundreds of times bigger than Zod and Superman's.

Damn that was a bloody fight - Mark vs Conquest, or Glenn vs Negan rematch

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
The main problem is that every Kryptonian that isn't Faora just straight up don't know how to fight. I think Clark gets the shit beat out of him even if he does outstat conquest in speed. Mark and Conquests damage output is far above anything the Kryptonians showed

HV will only work once, it's pretty obvious when it's about to be used.

Going by the flash movie, Mark and Conquest would have dominated that Kryptonian invasion. Nothing any Kryptonian has shown says they can handle a fight like that for long. The shockwave from Mark and Conquests was hundreds of times bigger than Zod and Superman's.
You're completely ignoring the advantages of speed.

If you were fighting a much stronger opponent that moved at a snail's pace, would you realistically lose that fight?

Originally posted by Robtard
When it's animated vs live action, the cartoon usually has the advantages. But Viltrumites do not seem stronger or more durable than DCU Kryptonians. Definitely not faster.

Conquest nearly sanked a city after bomb rushing Invincible. He's 100% stronger. Also, he's probably faster as well. Nolan flew Galaxies away in a week in the show. Heck, he left earth and the solar system in some seconds. How strong is Red Rush?

We have no real strength feats for Red Rush.

So Red Tornado only strength ft is hurting Nolan which means he's pretty freaking strong. Remember, Nolan tanked a nuke and went on to withstand an ongoing attack from it. Red Tornado punches >>>>>>this attack...

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I think the obvious implication with Red Rush is that he has super powerful punches due to his speed. Main issue with Red Rush is how fast he was.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I think the obvious implication with Red Rush is that he has super powerful punches due to his speed. Main issue with Red Rush is how fast he was.

We have no clue on how fast Red Rush was. What we do know is Nolan is FTL and Red Rush was faster. We have no lifting fts from Red Rush but what we do have is him hurting Nolan, the same Nolan that tanked a nuclear blast. What does this mean? Red Rush is powerful AF since he did more damage to Nolan than a nuclear ongoing blast and out reacted Nolan, someone who has FTL speed fts.

Sonic the Hedgehog would beat both.

Originally posted by carver9
We have no clue on how fast Red Rush was. What we do know is Nolan is FTL and Red Rush was faster. We have no lifting fts from Red Rush but what we do have is him hurting Nolan, the same Nolan that tanked a nuclear blast. What does this mean? Red Rush is powerful AF since he did more damage to Nolan than a nuclear ongoing blast and out reacted Nolan, someone who has FTL speed fts. Average space travel speed (distance /time) isn't the same as battle speed.

Reaching FTL speeds after a period of acceleration in space doesn't mean you can exceed bullet speed within battle range.

Acceleration and perception speed determine battle speed.

Hush H1. He's FTL. How fast was Flash going when Superman perceived him?

It makes sense that someone who can go as fast as RR has the superhuman strength and durability required to generate and withstand that kind of speed.

Originally posted by carver9
So Red Tornado only strength ft is hurting Nolan which means he's pretty freaking strong. Remember, Nolan tanked a nuke and went on to withstand an ongoing attack from it. Red Tornado punches >>>>>>this attack...

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That wasn't a nuke, it was a super beam cannon. If you look at the damage to the surrounding area, it's less than what a nuke would have done.

Have to say it was amusing to see Glenn bashing Negan's head in.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Have to say it was amusing to see Glenn bashing Negan's head in.


Yeah

He's not dead, so they'll be a round two. Unless Nolan or Allen fight Conguest next time.

Originally posted by carver9
Hush H1. He's FTL ONLY after spending time accelerating
Agreed.

No one reaches FTL speeds instantaneously; they must first accelerate to those speeds.

The ability to eventually reach FTL speeds is irrelevant in a combat scenario.

Superman perceived Flash while he was moving relative to propagating lightning.

Metroman probably can.

Originally posted by h1a8


Superman perceived Flash while he was moving relative to propagating lightning.

Originally posted by Robtard
That wasn't a nuke, it was a super beam cannon. If you look at the damage to the surrounding area, it's less than what a nuke would have done.

It's a pretty freaking powerful blast and at that time, the most powerful attack they had at the time.

It was an extremely powerful attack and a great feat for Nolan, but it wasn't a nuke. You see dead birds falling afterward, those birds would have been vaporized if a nuke went off that close to them.

Originally posted by Robtard
It was an extremely powerful attack and a great feat for Nolan, but it wasn't a nuke. You see dead birds falling afterward, those birds would have been vaporized if a nuke went off that close to them.

I think the implication there was the radiation of a nuke type attack killing anything close by. At least thats how I read it.

But yeah seemed like a more compact/focused blast than a nuke.

The point of this is Red Rush did far more damage than that attack which shows just how powerful he was tbh (let's not forget Nolan flying so fast that it was vaporizing continents and he tanked the pressure, heat, etc... that was generated by the attack). RR was an attempt at lowballing when it just shows how powerful the character truly is. Doesn't even matter since Conquest would piss on Nolan.

Vaporizing continents? LoL, he was destroying cities with his speed. See, you take a great feat and you wank it to utter nonsense, when it's a great feat as is.