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Originally posted by Mindship
I would consider myself extremely fortunate were I ever to find a pebble nigh as smooth as what Sir Isaac found.

As would I my friend although I think if we were going to we would have done by now. What do you think we have a larger Ocean now? I think we do.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
As would I my friend although I think if we were going to we would have done by now. What do you think we have a larger Ocean now? I think we do.

I keep thinking how remarkable it is that we are mathematically able to know where other planets and moons in our solar system will be at a given time, so well that we are able to send spacecraft capable of rendez-vousing with several of them, on a given trip.

Yet when our robot senses do get there (eg, Jupiter and its moons), there are so many surprises that more new questions are raised than old ones answered.

As illumined by science, this Ocean is not only larger than we ever imagined, it's larger than we can imagine.

Originally posted by Mindship
I keep thinking how remarkable it is that we are mathematically able to know where other planets and moons in our solar system will be at a given time, so well that we are able to send spacecraft capable of rendez-vousing with several of them, on a given trip.

Yet when our robot senses do get there (eg, Jupiter and its moons), there are so many surprises that more new questions are raised than old ones answered.


I agree totally

Originally posted by Mindship

As illumined by science, this Ocean is not only larger than we ever imagined, it's larger than we can imagine.

I hope though one day we can imagine it. It will make evolution worthwhile my friend, or perhaps it is the attempt that makes it worthwhile!!!!

The ocean isn't bigger, nore is it getting bigger, but rather how we percieve it. For example, the ocean would seem so much larger if you were standing in the middle of it, than if you were standing at one of it's corners. It is like Mindship said, it is not in so much the ocean is larger than we thought it to be, but rather the ocean is large than our minds could possibly fathom. We are incapable of measuring the unmeasured...

Originally posted by AOR
The ocean isn't bigger, nore is it getting bigger, but rather how we percieve it. For example, the ocean would seem so much larger if you were standing in the middle of it, than if you were standing at one of it's corners. It is like Mindship said, it is not in so much the ocean is larger than we thought it to be, but rather the ocean is large than our minds could possibly fathom. We are incapable of measuring the unmeasured...

I think we are incredibly capable of adding structure to the unknowable. People like Michio Kaku would totally disagree with this statement of opinion you propose, that anything is permenantly unknowable.

Singularity believers like Vinge would go further still.

The ocean grows will perception, because we unravel it through questioning at present. Feynman suggested this in the 70's.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I think we are incredibly capable of adding structure to the unknowable. People like Michio Kaku would totally disagree with this statement of opinion you propose, that anything is permenantly unknowable.

Singularity believers like Vinge would go further still.

The ocean grows will perception, because we unravel it through questioning at present. Feynman suggested this in the 70's.

And that is what divides us. For you see I believe the ocean was always large, where you believe the ocean is getting larger. However you made the point that it it grows with perception, and thus I say, "a thing that was shrouded from view doesn't become larger when unveiled. But rather has more to be questioned." We tend to make estimates on what we know and see. Absolutes are rare things to find...

I think we are alway finding pebbles and eventually they lead us to the shores of the sea........ mmmmmmmm philosophical.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It will always be like that. The more you know, the more there is to know.

agreed, until you have the ability to know everything, I think you're familiar with the concept

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
agreed, until you have the ability to know everything, I think you're familiar with the concept

I think it like a fractal thing.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I think it like a fractal thing.

I think it's about being enlightened

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I think it's about being enlightened

Enlightened? That would have more to do with nothing, then with everything.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Enlightened? That would have more to do with nothing, then with everything.

depends what you think being enlightened is!

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
depends what you think being enlightened is!

A most enlightened reply. I could not have predicted it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
A most enlightened reply. I could not have predicted it.

Thankyou

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Thankyou

I hope you realize that I am a notorious smart ass.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I hope you realize that I am a notorious smart ass.

I hope you realise I am to enlightened to respond further

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I hope you realise I am to enlightened to respond further

Ya, right.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Ya, right.

"And I predict the future to be full of pic-a-nic baskets, Boo-Boo...." Yogi Bear........

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Enlightened? That would have more to do with nothing, then with everything.

Buddhism...*grumbles*

Oh and read more about Isaac Newton people...He was a jerk that used other peoples work without giving them any credit.

the ocean is large but i dont think its growing i belive that everything that is needed to know is in it regardless what questions arise. their must be a source in the ocean to get the anser that their is no need for expansion. magor things can be broken down by the small things around it. even if it is thought imposible their is always a way to do somthing with what is given.

Are you good in assembling? Gather the Present to see the Future.

prediction to me seems like guessing....precognition now on the other hand can be TOTALLY accurate.....weatherdudes predict the weather every day and they suck at it...they should have precogs or some chit like that on the weather channels...lol...