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Anyway, setting is The Generals Quarters on the Invisible Hand (the place where the duo fought Dooku)\


EDIT :Apologize for spelling. I messed up

Sidious's team wins. One way, Anakin and Obi-Wan fight while Yoda takes on Sidious. Sidious vs. Yoda could go either way but Sidious beat him before so I give it to him. Lucas stated that Anakin > Obi-Wan. I know Obi-Wan beat him in ROTS, but that was Vader he beat, not Anakin. But this way'd be extremely close.

The other way Anakin fights Yoda while Sidious fights Obi-Wan. Sidious's pwn Obi-Wan with the Force, just like Dooku did. Meanwhile, Anakin would be losing to Yoda but he'd be able to hold him off until Sidious pwnd Obi-Wan. Then Anakin and Sidious together would destroy Yoda.

Eitther way, Sidious and Anakin win.

According to Lucas, Anakin should be way more powerful than Obi wan, so in a real fight not taking into account Anakin making some dumbass mistake, Anakin would defeat Obi. Sidious and Yoda are at the very least equal, I would argue Sidious is stronger. Regardless, Anakin defeats Obi and then turns the tide of the Sidious vs Yoda duel.

I don't believe that "according to Lucas" crap. No offense, GV, but Lucas doesn't make any sense and people always say that he said something, but never show where or when.

I'd say that Obi-wan would go after Anakin, killing him, and Yoda would go after Sidious, killing him. Yoda and Obi-wan win without losses.

Or Sidious just annihilates Obi-wan without trying

And Yoda does the same to Anakin. Then Yoda kills Sidious in a drawn out battle.

Actually, Yoda loses. In pretty much any EU source, he realizes any continued battle with Sidious would end in his death

More of your BS?

ROTS novelization. NEC.
Trying to ignore what the EU says?

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I don't believe that "according to Lucas" crap. No offense, GV, but Lucas doesn't make any sense and people always say that he said something, but never show where or when.

I'd say that Obi-wan would go after Anakin, killing him, and Yoda would go after Sidious, killing him. Yoda and Obi-wan win without losses.

Regardless of whether GL makes sense or not, he is the absolute authority.

Keep in mind Anakin was completely overwhelmed by grief on Mustafar. You tend not to duel very well when you can't concentrate. Assuming Anakin's clearminded/knows what he's doing... There are also some quotes made by GL pointing to him being more powerful than Sidious himself. Making him possibly the most powerful of the PT era.

Sidious/Anakin win.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
ROTS novelization. NEC.
Trying to ignore what the EU says?

Where in the NEC does it say that?

he was unable to defeat the most powerful sith in history, quote unquote

Originally posted by Lightsnake
he was unable to defeat the most powerful sith in history, quote unquote

Okay, he was unable to defeat him, however, that has nothing to do with what you said:



Then you went on to say the NEC clarifies it as well, which it doesn't. Maybe the ROTS novelization confirms it, however, the NEC does not.

Fair enough, ROTS novelization then

Originally posted by Razielim
Keep in mind Anakin was completely overwhelmed by grief on Mustafar. You tend not to duel very well when you can't concentrate. Assuming Anakin's clearminded/knows what he's doing... There are also some quotes made by GL pointing to him being more powerful than Sidious himself. Making him possibly the most powerful of the PT era.

Sidious/Anakin win.

So Obi-Wan was happy as a daisy?

he wasn't psychotic over his lover's 'betrayal'

Originally posted by Lightsnake
he wasn't psychotic over his lover's 'betrayal'

And I'm sure he wasn't torn by the fact someone he calls his "brother", turned to the Darkside.

still, he wasn't dealing with what Anakin was...he came there with the intention of defeating Anakin

Originally posted by Lightsnake
still, he wasn't dealing with what Anakin was...he came there with the intention of defeating Anakin

Didn't Anakin even point out that Obi-Wan "hesitated", and then went on further to even say "the flaw of compassion" or something like that, and if I remember, this was during their battle.

And, as well Obi-Wan loved Anakin. Not in the way you love Sidious but like a brother as I've said. Of course he'd be conflicted during the fight, and still in emotional shambles -- you realize even though Obi-Wan is a Jedi, and a fictional character, he does have human feelings and emotions. I mean when Anakin gets burned up, he can't even stand to look.

Love doesn't sum up my feelings for Sidious and Yoda.

While Obi was hurting during the fight, he was more focused than Anakin whose mind was practically gone with grief, jealousy and rage. Obi-wan himself told Anakin "It's respect for the man you were."

When it coems to it, though, Obi-wan is more than willing to finish Anakin, hurting or no. He clearly grieves after the battle, true

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Or Sidious just annihilates Obi-wan without trying

Care to explain that, Mystery? Yoda even tells Obi he can't kill Palpatine

He can atleast put up a good fight ,Sids Fanboy.You just saying '0H!!!1! $1d$ w1!! pwn1 teh 0b3 1!,isn't gonna cut it,buddy.Ob's will put up a good fight,not just be pwned like in your wet dreams of Sids. My Fanboy Friend

You're basing this on what? Sidious's inferior defeated Obi-wan with little effort and if Palp pulls out the Dark Side, OBi-wan would never be able to stand that

Thats because Ob's thought that Dooku wouldn't notice him if he came from behind his back(ROTS Novel),Ob's let his guard down,he is't going to make the same mistake again,your basing you points on nothing but your opinion.Give me evidence of ROTS Palps 'so-called' Instant WTFpwn power.An don't do the NEC deal,I want real proof of this insta kill power of his.

Just ask Agen Kolar, Kit Fisto, Saesee Tiin, Arden Lyn, Executor Sedriss, Ashkar Borda, among other Jedi masters during the purge, Dark Empire which states Sidious';s knowledge....

Though I think Kit Fisto would be sufficient...

Also...Obi got surprised in battle? So he's somehow absolved?

This isn't DE Sidious,it ROTS Sidious,read the topic title.

Second,he wasn't surprised in battle,it's a duel,reread my post,he thought he could surprise if he snuck up on him and thought that the Count was more focused on Anakin(who he was having trouble with,again,from the ROTS novel and Gl aswell,watch the interviews on the bonus disk).

An third,those guys were surprised,don't give me that bullshit,this is a legit duel,not a surprise attack.

Fourth,Kit utilizes a form not ment for saber to saber combat.He isn't sufficient enough,again.

This is nothing that you've presented to me as proof right here.If you aren't going to provide anything with merit ,then stop wasting my time.

I did. Still applies.

Once more: Obi-wan made an error in a critical battle, he dropped his guard in a critical duel. And Kit certainly had time for the surprise to end. And Kit is a very good fighter, one of the best the order had produced.

Palpatine either utilizes Tera Kasi and a combinaiton of speed to destroy Obi-wan or sits back and destroys him with one of the many Dark Side techniques he has.

Again,proof you are a Fanboy.Why don't you pull Sids dick out of your mouth and think for once.And Kit may be a good fighter in battlle,but in a duel his form is basically useless.You underestimate Obi-Wan just as you overestimate Sids,Obi-Wan beat the best force user in the galaxy(Anakin,as quoted by GL),Palpy might defeat him,but he will not WTFpwn him,fanboy.

Originally posted by Mysterious Man
Again,proof you are a Fanboy.Why don't you pull Sids dick out of your mouth and think for once.And Kit may be a good fighter in battlle,but in a duel his form is basically useless.You underestimate obi-Wan just as you overestimate Sids,Obi-Wan beat the best force user in the galaxy(Anakin,as quoted by GL),Palpy might defeat him,but he will not WTFpwn him,fanboy.


Those insults arent necessary.

anakin was out of his mind with rage and grief. Sidious's grasp of the force isn't something Obi-wan can defend against, either. a storm of force lightning, a force crush...even if Sidious launches himself at Obi, uses Tera-Kasi.

Kit is quoted in the ROTS novelization as one of the greatest Jedi duelists the order ever produced and Obi's seen him fight.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Those insults arent necessary. It wasn't an insult,it was rying to get him to see reason,but I now know he's too stubborn.

Second,has Obi-Wan seen Kit fight in a Lightsaber duel?Kit basically had his ass handed to him by Ventress in The Cestus Deception(and you mentioned battel,not dueling,two different things.),and again,you are underestimating Obi-Wan,Anakin may have be overwelmed with anger and grief,but that doesn't not make him dangerous. And where does it say Sids knows Teras Kasi?Even so,force users have beaten people who have master Teras Kasi(yes,even other force users).

Claiming Sidious could defeat Obi-wan easily isn't exactly saying Yoda could destroy God.

And Dangerous or no, unbridled fury is not the best idea in a duel. It clouds your judgement and makes you stupid, like it did with Anakin. Obi-wan already knew a lot of Anakin's style and vice versa but Anakin's emotions interfered heavily. And Maul learned Tera Kasi from Sids. Once more, I fail to see how this is relevant: the novelization says Kit was one of the best duelists, and Sids is definitely a much stronger force user than Obi-wan

This whole argument is about why Sids wouldn't instakill Obi-Wan,and no,you(and even the ROTS novel,I have it right here infront of me) said that Kit was good in battle,not dueling,nice try.

And I requote:"Anakin may have be overwelmed with anger and grief,but that doesn't not make him dangerous."And you may be right about the fury part,but he is still the best FOrce User in the galaxy.

"He defeated Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin, Kit Fisto and Mace Windu, four of the best duelists our order has ever produced."
And once more: Sidious's usage of the force is beyond Obi's level

He didn't defeat Mace Windu,Anakin did,Mace was about to kill HIM(and don't give me that shit about Palpy kowing about Ankin,GL said it himself,Mace won,fair and square).And he defeated two with surprise and one with the guy not using a form for saber to saber combat.

And once more: Don't underestimate Obi-Wan,Sids underestimated the Rebels and Vader and Luke(who is weaker in Force Skill and dueling than even ANH Obi-Wan at that time),and it cost him his life.

Oh for...that's what's quoted in the book by the characters. And by the by: We see them react to his leap. Agen is the one you can make a case for but Saesee and Kit? Kit and the other three are still described as such

And yes, I know Sidious underestimated the above, but I fail to see how Obi's going to put up a fight

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Oh for...that's what's quoted in the book by the characters. And by the by: We see them react to his leap. Agen is the one you can make a case for but Saesee and Kit? Kit and the other three are still described as such

No,they aren't.Do you even listen to the commentary by GL on the bonus disks?Palpy had his ass handed to him by Mace,and Saesee hesitates in the movie,see the scene again.And for the last time!KIT'S STYLE IS NOT MADE FOR SABER TO SABER COMBAT!!!!


And Sidious is going to underestimate Obi-Wan just like he underestimated Vader and Luke,and to quote Luke ROTJ: "Your overconfidence is your weakness." ,which isn't exactly far from the truth.Again,he might defeat Obi-Wan,but he certainly won't insta kill him.

Mysterious Man, Lightsnake might be a Sidious fanboy but in this case he's right. Sidious would tool Obi-Wan, just as Dooku did.

Originally posted by Mysterious Man
No,they aren't.Do you even listen to the commentary by GL on the bonus disks?Palpy had his ass handed to him by Mace,and Saesee hesitates in the movie,see the scene again.And for the last time!KIT'S STYLE IS NOT MADE FOR SABER TO SABER COMBAT!!!!


And Sidious is going to underestimate Obi-Wan just like he underestimated Vader and Luke,and to quote Luke ROTJ: "Your overconfidence is your weakness." ,which isn't exactly far from the truth.Again,he might defeat Obi-Wan,but he certainly won't insta kill him.

Although I do not belive much that Sidious faked it GL never said Mace won fair and square, he said he overpowered him, just as he said Anakin did vs Dooku... And Obi-Wan's style is not made for saber to saber combat either, it is defencive....

Originally posted by Mysterious Man
No,they aren't.Do you even listen to the commentary by GL on the bonus disks?Palpy had his ass handed to him by Mace,and Saesee hesitates in the movie,see the scene again.And for the last time!KIT'S STYLE IS NOT MADE FOR SABER TO SABER COMBAT!!!!


And Sidious is going to underestimate Obi-Wan just like he underestimated Vader and Luke,and to quote Luke ROTJ: "Your overconfidence is your weakness." ,which isn't exactly far from the truth.Again,he might defeat Obi-Wan,but he certainly won't insta kill him.

And I'll say it again: ROTS novelization and the visional dictionaries call Kit one of the best duelists the order had produced....hey, Obi-wan's style wasn't made for defense either. Soresu was originally intended to deflect blaster bolts.

And underestimate Obi-wan when Yoda's around? Just like he underestimated Agen and Saesee? Once more: I'm seeing no evidence to how Obi-wan can last a second against Sidious's assault. Actually provide something instead of continuously saying "He won't."

mysterious man is right. Obi vs Palps and Yoda vs Anakin. Anakin gets WTF pwnd in less than 20 seconds. Since Obi-wans style is more defensive, he'll be able to hold out until Yoda comes to his aid. Even if Sidious uses force powers, Obi can blcok them with his lightsaber (or in the case of force choke or crush, it'll take a while to kill him). Meanwhile Anakin gets annihilated quickly by yoda with a LIGHTSABER(you can kill people a lot faster with a saber than with the Force). Even if both Anakin and Obi-Wan die, and Yoda and Sidious match up Yoda will own him. There are no places for Palpatine to hide and chuck stuff at Yoda, like in the senate. Yoda would PWN him. End of story, the good guys win.

It'll a take a while to kill him with crush or choke? Sidious clenches a fist and the crush'll break all of Obi's bones...and Yoda, by his own thoughts in the EU, knwos he couldn't defeat Palpatine

I always got the impression that was more philosophical musing, rather than Yoda thinking that he was inferior to Sidious.

Yoda's thoughts don't seem to leave much for philosophy...he realizes, to quote 'he just doesn't have it'

Obi couldn't resist a force choke from Dooku. Sidious' would destroy him.

And Yoda would kill Anakin even faster. THen while Sids is finishing off Obi, Yoda comes in from the side and KILLS him.

I seriously doubt Yoda would take Anakin so easily. Anakin was extremely formidable

Anakin dies to Obi Wan.

Yoda and Obi Wan outnumber and outmuscle Sidious.

Unless there's a Padme around to make Ani jealous...

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Unless there's a Padme around to make Ani jealous... Uh,no.Obi-Wan is superior to Anakin,Anakin has the power and potential,but he doesn't think before he gets into things.Obi wins(why do you think he's Master and Anakin's a Knight?Becuase Anakin doesn't coordinate his attacks and strategies.).

Actually, it's because Anakin was out of his mind with grief and rage over Padme. Obi-wan is on the retreat for most of the fight and wins because of a mistake Anakin never would have made under different circumstances.

No. He was not superior to Anakin. Listen to the RotS commentary. Anakin was more powerful and the better duelist on Mustafar. Stated by George Lucas.

Keep in mind Anakin was terribly overwhelmed by grief on Mustafar. Yet he was still Obi's superior.

Sith win. Yoda isn't that much better than Anakin (if better at all) and would not "pwn" him by any stretch of the imagination.

Keep in mind that Anakin is an ill-tempered brute.

Obi Wan, a man of considerable persuasion would toy wiht Anakin's feelings until the ignoramus makes a mistake. At that, point Anakin would make a fatal slip and get pwned. It has been demonstrated time and time again.

Sidious meanwhile would be stalemating Yoda as always, until Obi Wan comes in. Together the good guys win.

Oh, and what about Obi-wan's feelings? He wasn't exactly stable after the battle

RotS Anakin fought stupid... once? And that was because of Padme.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Oh, and what about Obi-wan's feelings? He wasn't exactly stable after the battle

During the battle friend. During the battle, Obi Wan would keep his feelings in check like a true Jedi.



There was a second time as well. He was a hot headed brute. He tried to use two sabers to take out Dooku... thats how he lost an arm. Arrogance and charging into the fight like an animal won't do much good against a Jedi trained in defense and using the enemies rage against them.

Obi-wan hesitated quite a bit in the battle. He was on defensive almost the entire time.

And AOTC is before ROTS. OBi-wan's made his series of dumb mistakes when he was a kid

He didn't fight stupid against Dooku in RotS. Where he wasn't hotheaded at all. That was really our only indication of Anakin's fighting prowess, since it was his only fight under normal circumstances.