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Krayt must die.

Force, sabers, all out

*Nox and Wyyrlok are prepped

Battle takes place in Freedon Nadd's tomb

Malgus wipes the floor with Wyyrlok and Nox holds off Krayt.

Team 1 takes this.

Team 2, Krayt lives to die, again, another day.

Originally posted by carthage
Malgus wipes the floor with Wyyrlok and Nox holds off Krayt.


Wouldn't it be more logical to have warrior vs warrior, sorcerer vs sorcerer? I.e. Kry vs Malgs, Nox vs Wyrs?

Originally posted by Q99
Wouldn't it be more logical to have warrior vs warrior, sorcerer vs sorcerer? I.e. Kry vs Malgs, Nox vs Wyrs?

Even in that scenario Nox is still more potent fully prepped than Wyyrlok. Thanaton's lightning was more potent and Nox shrugged it off, fully prepped his/her spells are very destructive if not more so than Wyyrlok's illusions and lightning. Nox would defeat Wyyrlok in a force match, and the only advantage he has in terms of sabers is marginal at best.

While I've conceded that Krayt is more powerful and skilled than Malgus overall, he isn't going to one shot him. Nox and Malgus are too much for Krayt on his own

I do agree that Nox may be the decider here- while not without struggle, his spirit sorcery is pretty hax.

Nox, while powerful, can't shrug off having a saber through the face. Nox is also a novice of the Dark Side, having only been learning the Force for 3ish years, they don't know as much as most of the Inquisitors of the Dark Council.

Wyyrlok is only a slightly better duelist, perhaps above Thanaton by a bit due to his duel with Krayt. Nox has raw power that surpasses him by quite a bit, imo the gulf between Wyyrlok's dueling ability is far less wide than Nox's power in the force. Wyylok as more of a sorcerer doesn't focus on saber combat as much, and it showed in his dismissal by Krayt. By the time Wyyrlok can gain an edge in sabers, Nox can hold him off and take him out with Ghost walk

Raw power means nothing when you don't know how to use it, and Nox doesn't really know how to use it. I don't know where you got that their prepped sorcery is so amazing from, and while the Force ghosts did indeed make Nox powerful, it only allowed them to become comparable to the other Sith who were trained from birth in Dark Side mastery as well as incredible endurance, which Krayt has. Nox's best bet is Lightning and Force Bubbles, and even then, I have my doubts.

I'm not sure I'd say Wyyrlok is a better swordsman. Nox beat Khem was an acolyte and could beat Sith Lords without the Force. She's a great swordsman. One source even suggests her lightsaber prowess is equal to her skill with the Force, which is considerable. And yes, she is a highly skilled Force user. Its nearly impossible to deflect Force Lightning with the Force, but Nox was skilled enough to casually slap it aside. Her skill is incredible considering how little training she has. Also, Nox handily defeated one of the best swordsman of her time so meh again on that front.

I'd say Memory Walk is a bigger threat myself. But Nox has some great telepathy feats and possesses a helmet that protects her from mental attacks so I doubt Wyyrlok would have luck there.

Thanaton's FL has charred metal and scorched flesh. At best Wyyrlok's charred Krayt, and was used for torture on others. Nox's force shield can easily absorb it.



He/she knows enough to utilize it to defeat council level opponents (with feats) like Thanaton. Wyyrlok is a strong opponent but he was out of his depth with Krayt, and Nox has superior feats to Andeddu and superior force power to Nihl as well. Wyyrlok's feats with illusions while superior to Noxs's, aren't as viable as his/her defense against lightning and his/her ace in the hole those ghosts. Nox can also defend against his lightning.



Nox based on showings is superior to most other council members, and in terms of comparison outshines most aside from Baras, Malgus, and the ones with actual showings. Yes Krayt has superior showings to Nox and would kill Nox in a fight, but he/she can defend against most of Wyyrlok's offense.

Originally posted by carthage
Thanaton's flesh has charred metal and destroyed metal. At best Wyyrlok's charred Krayt, and was used for torture on others. Nox's force shield can easily absorb it.

Okay. This isn't about Nox absorbing anyone's Lightning, which is pretty much a given.

They don't spend a majority of their time dueling Council Level opponents, and lost to Zash when going off what they knew. Even with the Ghosts, they have only been shown to were Thanaton down when he was aware of what they were doing. Not dominating.

Nox has shown ability with Lightning, but the rest of it is basically resisting what other Force powers are thrown at them.

Nox cannot defend against being stabbed. Nox's Lightning isn't as amazing as you make it sound, and their endurance is admirable, as I already said. The only time Nox has proven their swordsmanship is against Khem, at least notably, and even then he was weakened. Nox is still also very, again, untrained, and towards the end of their story, it's about outlasting than dominating. The illusions probably won't come into play, as Nox has proven mental fortitude.
Originally posted by carthage

Nox based on showings is superior to most other council members, and in terms of comparison outshines most aside from Baras, Malgus, and the ones with actual showings. Yes Krayt has superior showings to Nox and would kill Nox in a fight, but he/she can defend against most of Wyyrlok's offense.
Nox doesn't outshine anyone with their Force feats, at least not anyone with actual showings, Nox has been shown to tank Force powers and only with the aid of the ghosts.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nox cannot defend against being stabbed.

She can, actually. She blocked Thanaton's lightsaber with TK.

@FreshestSlice lol

Originally posted by Nephthys
She can, actually. She blocked Thanaton's lightsaber with TK.
I mean with ghosts. To my knowledge, still, Nox isn't shown to be stabbed at all, though is injured from time to time, so their bubbles aren't always a guarantee. And by that point, Thanaton was obviously wounded and exhausted. It's not like there's any proof that Nox did that to Thanaton at full strength.

Originally posted by Nephthys
She can, actually. She blocked Thanaton's lightsaber with TK.

Why do you always assume the protags are all females?

Most of them are most likely males, including HoT.

Originally posted by Sinious
Why do you always assume the protags are all females?

Most of them are most likely males, including HoT.
Nah, Nox is probably a female.

HoT I'd agree is most likely a dude.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Nah, Nox is probably a female.

HoT I'd agree is most likely a dude.

IMO:

Wrath is definitely male.

Barsen'thor and HoT are most likely males.

Nox could be either and I can't assume anything more specific.

I actually thought Barsen'thor is female.

Originally posted by The Merchant
I actually thought Barsen'thor is female.
Agreed. The craptastic performance they accepted from North almost confirmed it. Then again it's supposed to be an Obi-Wan like story, so there's that.

Emperor's Wrath-Vader
Darth Nox-Sidious
Barsen'thor-Obi-Wan
Hero of the Tython-Obvious KotOR cookie-cut protagonist.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I mean with ghosts. To my knowledge, still, Nox isn't shown to be stabbed at all, though is injured from time to time, so their bubbles aren't always a guarantee. And by that point, Thanaton was obviously wounded and exhausted. It's not like there's any proof that Nox did that to Thanaton at full strength.

Well with ghosts, being stabbed wouldn't kill Nox since she's functionally immortal. She's just regenerate and get back up.

What does it matter if Thanaton was tired? All I proved was that she can actually block lightsabers with the force. She manhandled him with TK prior to this and the reason Thanaton was tired was because she casually kicked his ass without seeming the least bit weary herself.

Originally posted by Sinious
Why do you always assume the protags are all females?

Most of them are most likely males, including HoT.

I've played all the classes and the majority of my characters were female. So it's automatic for me to refer to them as such. Mostly its because of voice acting and also I generally prefer playing female anyway. I play as a man in real life so whats the point, ya know?

JK - Hayter is so bland as the Knight. I tried out a male but switched to female because he was so white bread.

JC - My god does the male voice sound like a pompous moron. Again, I really tried for a dude first, but couldn't make it a few quests with that voice.

Trooper - Femshep.

Smuggler - I just preferred the female delivery, she is a professional comedian.

SW - I actually went female first then switched to male. He sounds pretty cool.

SI - Again, I just prefer the female delivery. She's so deliciously evil, I love it.

BH - I went male.

IA - I went male.

So ya see, its mainly that the characters we discuss the most as the ones I played as female. I played 5 chicks, 3 men. But I did try to be more equal on that, its just that crappy voice acting forced my hand.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I've played all the classes and the majority of my characters were female. So it's automatic for me to refer to them as such. Mostly its because of voice acting and also I generally prefer playing female anyway. I play as a man in real life so whats the point, ya know?

JK - Hayter is so bland as the Knight. I tried out a male but switched to female because he was so white bread.

JC - My god does the male voice sound like a pompous moron. Again, I really tried for a dude first, but couldn't make it a few quests with that voice.

Trooper - Femshep.

Smuggler - I just preferred the female delivery, she is a professional comedian.

SW - I actually went female first then switched to male. He sounds pretty cool.

SI - Again, I just prefer the female delivery. She's so deliciously evil, I love it.

BH - I went male.

IA - I went male.

So ya see, its mainly that the characters we discuss the most as the ones I played as female. I played 5 chicks, 3 men. But I did try to be more equal on that, its just that crappy voice acting forced my hand.

I understand though I cannot relate at all. I only play Empire characters and I have 1 IA female but the rest is all male.

At least your SW is male. Wrath is like the dudest of them all. I can't imagine him as female at all.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well with ghosts, being stabbed wouldn't kill Nox since she's functionally immortal. She's just regenerate and get back up.

Considering Krayt is also "functionally immortal," I assume this fight is about losing, not dying, with these two.

Because Nox will obviously overpower an exhausted Thanaton who's wounded. Especially after he tries to blast them with that kind of Lightning.

Seems to me the console members were more concerned with Thanaton not being able to kill Nox, not Nox dominating Thanaton during the duel, though admittedly they do casually swipe away his Lightning towards the end.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Considering Krayt is also "functionally immortal," I assume this fight is about losing, not dying, with these two.

I just think your argument is flawed considering Nox can deal with being stabbed through her own skill, blocking it through the Force and can survive it anyway.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Because Nox will obviously overpower an exhausted Thanaton who's wounded. Especially after he tries to blast them with that kind of Lightning.

Both Thanaton and Nox went into that fight on equal ground. Hell, Nox had to fight through a Darth just to get into the Council chambers. So if Nox was able to beat Thanaton comfortably enough that she was still going strong and he was weak, I don't see why she isn't above him enough to have done that feat at the start of the fight regardless. And he didn't seem wounded.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Seems to me the console members were more concerned with Thanaton not being able to kill Nox, not Nox dominating Thanaton during the duel, though admittedly they do casually swipe away his Lightning towards the end.

Nox pretty thoroughly stomped Thanaton bro.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Agreed. The craptastic performance they accepted from North almost confirmed it. Then again it's supposed to be an Obi-Wan like story, so there's that.

Emperor's Wrath-Vader
Darth Nox-Sidious
Barsen'thor-Obi-Wan
Hero of the Tython-Obvious KotOR cookie-cut protagonist.

In other words, they're probably going to break down on the, "Physical fighter, male, force fighter, female," lines.


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I will note it's possible to kill ghosts with the force, and Wyyrlok's sorcery, being a power of the mind, is good for the task. It may be possible to defeat Nox by targeting the spirits and weakening her.

On the flip side, there's four of them, so even the ability to kill spirits leaves a large challenge.

Malgus is in the fight as well folks.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I just think your argument is flawed considering Nox can deal with being stabbed through her own skill, blocking it through the Force and can survive it anyway.

So can Krayt, who's a superior fighter, as is Wyyrlok. The point is, if Nox gets stabbed, which I believe they will, they'll go down. If we go off the assumption that Nox can never actually die in battle, there'd be no point in putting them in debates.


Hmm? Nox having endurance doesn't mean that they can stop Thanaton's lightsaber with TK when he's at full strength. When Nox actually TKs Thanaton into submission, it's after he tries to destroy them with continuous Lightning, and then TK'd during it. If you think he went through that without being hurt, fine.

Never seen that said anywhere.
Originally posted by carthage
Malgus is in the fight as well folks.
Malgus can probably fight evenly with Krayt, but he'd definitely win if Nox survives, just as much as he will definitely die is they do not.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
So can Krayt, who's a superior fighter, as is Wyyrlok. The point is, if Nox gets stabbed, which I believe they will, they'll go down. If we go off the assumption that Nox can never actually die in battle, there'd be no point in putting them in debates.

Krayt beat Wyyrlok, so bringing him up doesn't really help you. And I've seen nothing indicating Wyyrlok is a superior fighter to Nox. Not dying immediately to Krayt doesn't indicate an advantage to me.

Firstly, Nox won't get stabbed. Wyyrlok lacks the ability to power through her Force powers and beat her in lightsabers. Secondly, Nox can die you'd just need to strip her of her ghosts after dispatching her. Thirdly, I'd agree with you that in a 1v1 fight beating Nox would count as beating her. But in a team battle, Nox has a chance to revive if her ally can hold on long enough, surely.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Hmm? Nox having endurance doesn't mean that they can stop Thanaton's lightsaber with TK when he's at full strength. When Nox actually TKs Thanaton into submission, it's after he tries to destroy them with continuous Lightning, and then TK'd during it. If you think he went through that without being hurt, fine.

Lol, "endurance". No, it demonstrates the difference in power. Endurance isn't why Nox was so unruffled after beating him twice. It's that it took her rather little energy and effort to beat him. She literally backhanded his attacks aside. Baras vs Wrath is an example of endurance. Nox vs Thanaton is an example of one person being very very outclassed.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Never seen that said anywhere.

Well it doesn't really need to be said, you just have to watch Nox owning the shit out of him in the last fight. Swtore does state Nox "utterly destroyed" him though. I mean, what else would you call it when someone slaps aside your lightning, walks through your best attack, ragdolls you across a room, stops your lightsaber dead with TK then literally forces you to kneel in front of them? That's called a curbstomp.

Team 1 (left)

@Neph, what? Nox doesn't have regen, the fact is that she simply cannot die. She can be, and has been injured and defeated before.

And then she just got back up again without any apparent injuries. So either she healed the damage herself or she regenerated.