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Vader revives Plagueis to usurp the Emperor's rule, who wins?

Team, solidly.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Team, solidly.

Originally posted by Emperordmb

Team fo sho

I'll take the other idea. While Vader is a better duelist then Plagueis, and Plageuis is a better Force wielder then Vader...

What's to stop Sidious from speedblitzing Plageuis and then finishing Vader off with Lightning?

Everything.

Be more specific. Sidious is the fastest of the 3 by far, and he's proven his ability to 1 Hit KO Jedi Masters in nothing flat.

Plageius is not renowned for his saber skills.

Plagueis is in the same speed tier as Sidious

Are we sure? Jensaari's video (vs. Yoda) makes him look inferior to Kenobi or Kit Fisto as a duelist. Which is within Sidious's abilities to one hit KO. And Jensaari does NOT like Yoda at all, but gave Yoda the win there. All Plagueis really has going for him as a duelist is his oversized weapon, which is normal for one of his height.

Plageius's whole thing is that he 'plays god with the Force.' His tactical applications are relatively weak.

I can't believe people still think Jensaarai knows what he's talking about.

Originally posted by ILS
I can't believe people still think Jensaarai knows what he's talking about.

Do remember I joined this board today...literally. If he's been debunked, I hadn't heard about it. I do like Antoine, Reti4, and Evannova's videos better, though. They actually respect Yoda, for one thing. Jensaari just doesn't.

Evannova put Jaina Solo up against Plageuis, who also stomped him with little trouble.

IMO some people just fail to grasp how fast Plagueis and TPM Sidious are. The lightning feat in the forest is phenomenal for a few reasons, as is orbiting Sidious whilst outracing dozens of blaster bolts, deflecting or dodging each one as he passes it. If people were to become more accepting of his speed tier he'd garner more respect in versus debates.

I doubt he would lose to Jaina but that's a whole other can of worms.

Youtubers in particular don't have the best grasp of how speed works in SW, in respects to the various tiers, or how much of an impact speed has on the mythos. Videos like Vodo vs Plagueis, GM Luke vs Mace Windu ect shouldn't be made, because of the obvious disparities in speed (and power) which would render any real debate as redundant.

Sidious is so fast that DE Luke (who otherwise isnt really godlike at this point) outsped and defeated him. The greatest indeed.

:trollface:

Well, to be fair, Luke was also amped by his sister and her unborn son for that battle in DE, and while all they did was feed him power...they were still feeding him power. Sidious likely retained an advantage till the sister and nephew kicked in an amp for Luke.

Anyways, my statement that Sidious wins is based mostly on the fact I know the youtube videos made about Plageius better then I know him, cause that's one book I hadn't read yet. (Can't read 'em all...) I figured the youtubers did reasonable amounts of homework, and the Plageius described on youtube is decidedly unimpressive and too slow and ESPEICALLY too lousy a swordsman to hold his own against the Sidious I remember seeing in ROTS.

Team wins. DE Sidious would make this more interesting.