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Wyellett stomps in Force and All-Out, tbh. Koon takes sabers solidly though.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Wyellett stomps in Force and All-Out, tbh. Koon takes sabers solidly though.

Agreed. Lack of feats for the latter makes it impossible to really argue imo.

Master Wyellett.

Wyellett definitely, yeah.

Any reasoning?

He was powerful enough for the Republic to classify him as a superweapon even before he spent 20 years greatly increasing his connection to and understanding of the Force.

Wyelett should receive some pretty awesome scaling from the Jedi the Wrath had killed prior, too. Though my memory is hazy.

Wyellett, yeah.

Originally posted by ILS
Wyelett should receive some pretty awesome scaling from the Jedi the Wrath had killed prior, too. Though my memory is hazy.

He does, yeah. Wyelett is certainly the hardest fight the Wrath has except for Baras maybe, just going by how the fight pauses 2 times to point out that Wyelett is really ****in' strong and shows both of them struggling. Yonloch and Yul-Li have great hype behind them and the Wrath pretty easily beat both at once and Nomen Karr "almost destroyed" a younger Baras.

He's like SWTOR's Siolo'urmanka

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Master Wyellett.

Originally posted by ILS
He's like SWTOR's Siolo'urmanka

Pretty much.

I guess Weylett's placement next to other opponents of the Wrath make him easily a very formidable guy. Now, I hold Plo Koon just 1 level below Asajjs and Savages, with Fisto a tiny notch above Asajj and Savage (yes), so Plo is also very, very formidable, but given Wrath's placement and all that, I would be inclined to put Wyelett somewhere between Plo and Savage.

One must also consider that he defeated the Starweird Queen, a Force-using spiritual entity, which was going to kill most of the Jedi Council; including Satele Shan. All of which led to his internment, where he achieved enlightenment across decades.

Satele was present?

Originally posted by AncientPower
One must also consider that he defeated the Starweird Queen, a Force-using spiritual entity, which was going to kill most of the Jedi Council; including Satele Shan. All of which led to his internment, where he achieved enlightenment across decades.

Thats seriously impressive.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Satele was present?

She mentions the events herself, though only in passing.

Where does she mention them? Sounds interdooski.

It's AP... I assume the quote is exaggerated or can be interpreted in another way. Like the Queen attacked the Council(maybe not even alone) and Wyellet defeated her, so that means Wyellet > Starweird >> Jedi Council.

Seems pretty damn straight forward, the Encyclopedia references it too.

@Skillz, it's in Dural's journal.

Master Wyellet deserves a spot in the top 10 most powerful Jedi throughout history.

Nah, top 30 yes.

Wyellett's better than Kit and Plo Koon, but below Savage.

How is Savage Opress better? He has nothing on Master Wyellet in terms of hype and accomplishments.

So the consensus is that Wyellett takes it? Nice. Glad we all can agree

I see Wyellett can apparently sacrifice himself to protect members of the Jedi Council from the Starweird Queen under unknown circumstances... But I don't see how that places him above one of the most accomplished swordsmen of the prime of the Jedi Order.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
How is Savage Opress better? Force Choking Tyranus, giving near-end TCW Sidious a better fight than the B-team combined.

Originally posted by Geistalt
Force Choking Tyranus,
See this:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/4349205-tcw+ventress+force+chokes+anakin+and+obi+wan.gif

You don't think that Asajj Ventress is better than both of them, right? In-fact, Ventress failed to defeat each in a 1 on 1 encounter on separate occasions.

I don't think that a choke-hold is a good measure for establishing superiority for any character over the other unless the feat translate into something meaningful for the aggressor in a fight.

Originally posted by Geistalt
giving near-end TCW Sidious a better fight than the B-team combined.
Those Jedi Masters confronted Palpatine in an 'office room' and there wasn't much room for them to maneuver in it. They were also clueless about the capabilities of Palpatine.

In relatively spacious environments, B-Team Jedi Masters could dominate a respectable foe in a fight (Master Fisto defeated General Grievous on Vassek 3; Master Kolar disarmed Quinlan Vos in a brief duel on Nar Shaddaa).

It seems that B-Team Jedi Masters are easily Savage Opress TIER and/or superior.

Uh, Plo Koon isn't featless...

He outperformed fisto vs Ventress who himself outperformed AOTC Kenobi who ten years prior was closing in on Qui-Gon-Jinn who happens to be one of the best duelists in history.

He also casually collapsed a cave, pushed a 20 m pod hunter, and can scale from showings like Anakin's dreadnaught manipulation via Ventress., and is recognized as one of the most powerful jedi in history.

You're going to need more than that quote ap.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
How is Savage Opress better? He has nothing on Master Wyellet in terms of hype and accomplishments.
Oppress has pushed freighters and decisvely wrecked one of the most powerful jedi in history who himself scales from one of the best jedi in history who was legendary during the order's prime.

Why are you attempting to reverse scale?

Originally posted by Geistalt
Wyellett's better than Kit and Plo Koon, but below Savage.
Let's not mention how Sidious was toying with Oppress and Maul...

****ing lol @scaling plo from anakin's dreadnaught feat

The Wrath and Wyellett collapsed an enormous cavern that was carved by a massive dreadnought, as a consequence of their combat. Yeah, that's far more impressive.

link me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8flBngZseEw

The Wrath and Xarender's fight actually destabilised the cavern while Wyellets fight exacerbated it. But Wyellet is vastly superior to Xarender so he scales off of him regardless.

I like how Plo's best TK feat was replicated by Orgus Din in the HoT prologue.

So, the Wrath killing Xerender and then Wyellett, caused a massive starship's hull(Star of Coruscant was an absolute behemoth of a dreadnought) to bust and collapse? GG, guys. TOR's won.

Originally posted by ILS
I like how Plo's best TK feat was replicated by Orgus Din in the HoT prologue.
estahuh

Originally posted by Nephthys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8flBngZseEw

The Wrath and Xarender's fight actually destabilised the cavern while Wyellets fight exacerbated it. But Wyellet is vastly superior to Xarender so he scales off of him regardless.
link me to a specifc time frame, just click share and check off the "start at" for whatever you want me to see.

Originally posted by ILS
I like how Plo's best TK feat was replicated by Orgus Din in the HoT prologue.
Link please, IIRC, Orgus took a lot more time and effort and still didn't do what Plo did.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Link please, IIRC, Orgus took a lot more time and effort and still didn't do what Plo did. lol?

"This battle's over, but we don't want any more flesh raiders coming through here." Here being a cavern much larger than the cave Plo collapsed:
https://imgur.com/a/LCQOX

And yeah, he's very casual about it.
https://youtu.be/Zr9IIbKiQYQ?t=6m22s

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
link me to a specifc time frame, just click share and check off the "start at" for whatever you want me to see.

Nah. Take ten seconds and find it yourself. Its after the first fight.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah. Take ten seconds and find it yourself. Its after the first fight.
Nah, you should be willing to spare the 5 seconds it takes to show people the evidence you're using for your argument.

If not, tis fine, I'd rather talk cowboy bebop on gh

Originally posted by ILS
lol?

"This battle's over, but we don't want any more flesh raiders coming through here." Here being a cavern much larger than the cave Plo collapsed:
https://imgur.com/a/LCQOX

And yeah, he's very casual about it.
https://youtu.be/Zr9IIbKiQYQ?t=6m22s
It was bigger, but while Din had to hold his hand up for several seconds, Koon just closed his fist.

Regardless that's pretty impressive. I'm guessing Wylett scales from din?

Everything moves a bit slower in SWTOR cutscenes, but regardless, you're wrong. Kun also gestured.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111222381/4441423-0730174862-L7N1k.jpg

And yeah, Wyellett would fodderise Orgus Din. Poor Plo.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Nah, you should be willing to spare the 5 seconds it takes to show people the evidence you're using for your argument.

If not, tis fine, I'd rather talk cowboy bebop on gh

Not my argument, I just found the video you asked for out of the kindness of my heart. Be a bit more grateful in the future and do the rest yourself.

Originally posted by ILS
Everything moves a bit slower in SWTOR cutscenes, but regardless, you're wrong. Kun also gestured.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111222381/4441423-0730174862-L7N1k.jpg

And yeah, Wyellett would fodderise Orgus Din. Poor Plo.
I never said he didn't gesture...

Well, it's poor plo if we want to keep sabers and force separate which you've argued strongly against in the past. If we use the strong correlation between sabers and force argument, koon scales well above qui-gon-jin...

Anyhow, I need to add Cowboy Bebop to the animated show hierarchy, i'll leave you be.

Certainly, you can prove someone's power through their performance in duels as well. I'd love to see an argument for Koon made that way. Scaling him "way above" Qui-Gon seems like a fruitless endeavour, seeing as Jinn performed better against a much tougher opponent (Maul) than Koon was able to (Savage).

Originally posted by ILS
Certainly, you can prove someone's power through their performance in duels as well. I'd love to see an argument for Koon made that way. Scaling him "way above" Qui-Gon seems like a fruitless endeavour, seeing as Jinn performed better against a much tougher opponent (Maul) than Koon was able to (Savage).
Why are we assuming TPM Maul> Oppress? Independent of their performances vs maul and oppress, Koon certainly comes off as the more impressive opponent, outperforming fisto who himself scales above jin and having actual feats as well as being hyped as one of the most powerful jedi ever. Oppress's perfromance vs Koon certainly seems more impressive to me than Maul's vs Jin. Oppress also has better feats in the force department.

The only argument for TPM Maul>Oppress would be that TCW Maul was shown as greatly above Oppress. But we know Maul grows massively during TCW putting Oppress in awe of his growth, so why should we assume TPM Maul gets some sort of back scaling from TCW Maul?

wtf

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Why are we assuming TPM Maul> Oppress?

The only argument for TPM Maul>Oppress would be that TCW Maul was shown as greatly above Oppress. But we know Maul grows massively during TCW putting Oppress in awe of his growth, so why should we assume TPM Maul gets some sort of back scaling from TCW Maul? Have you ever read ILS Maul blog? He explains it there bro.

Let me simplify.

Plo Koon has better feats, better hype, and can scale off Qui-Gon.

Oppress beat Koon more decisively than TPM Maul could beat Jinn.

As Oppress beat a more impressive opponent more decsively, he'lls prolly better.

This is backed up by a comparison of Oppress and Maul's force feats.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Have you ever read ILS Maul blog? He explains it there bro.
The "how impressive is mauL" one? Yeah I did, he never touched what i'm talking about.

Furthermore, when i advocated for this scaling, ILS was fine with it.

It was literally stated that TCW Maul had the same power as TPM when he was first ressurected(which is when he outskilled Opress). He's > Savage even as of TPM.

Dunno why yer getting hysterical now sword man.

When we first discussed it on cv a month ago u said it made sense and when I pointed out that the scaling would put Oppress above TPM Maul, you admitted that was plausible.

link? Sounds retarded as hell.

Originally posted by MythLord
It was literally stated that TCW Maul had the same power as TPM when he was first ressurected(which is when he outskilled Opress). He's > Savage even as of TPM.
Maul never outskilled Oppress in season 4. The prior season had Ventress koing Kenobi in a 2 v 1 and Oppress was able to stalemate her per Feloni. Meanwhile Maul got taken out twice by a physically and mentally wrecked Kenobi in the first minuite needing external aid to get out of trouble. There's literally nothing suggesting resurrected Maul is even on par with Oppress.

Originally posted by ILS
link? Sounds retarded as hell.
was here:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/darth-maul-vs-revan-sabers-only-1925061/?page=2

To quote
you:
me:

you:

I said there may be reason to believe TCW Maul grew a lot, not that TPM Maul is inferior to Opress, which doesn't make much sense.

I admit I can see Wyelett taking it in the force, perhaps decisively, but how does he stomp?

Plo's tunnel feat was accomplished 14 years prior to ROTS. He has other feats around the same time, such as completely freezing streams( or was it rivers), blanketing a horizon with fog, as well as accolades such as being one of the greatest heroes in the galaxy while only a padawan.

Originally posted by ILS
I said there may be reason to believe TCW Maul grew a lot, not that TPM Maul is inferior to Opress, which doesn't make much sense.
Uh, you never said anything about oppress>maul not making sense. Furthermore your first sentence(of yer second post) presented evidence to make what i said more plausible. You also said "still, it makes sense overall" when I originally brought up the scaling.

Also, Maul growing a lot would only be relevant if it was an explanation for Oppress being>TPM Maul

You were cool with it, don't be in denial.

And Oppress>TPM Maul seems reasonable to me given

A. Oppress has much better feats
B. Oppress beat a more impressive opponent more decisively

Anywho, I have to go to school. C ya.

I think you're getting a bit sperged out because I humoured you. A great honor, to be sure, but I agree, your time would be better spent at school.

Oppress beat Koon by pulling his mask off. Jinn lacks such a glaring weakness and had Kenobi backing him up for most of the fight, so I don't think you can directly compare the two fights.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Maul never outskilled Oppress in season 4. The prior season had Ventress koing Kenobi in a 2 v 1 and Oppress was able to stalemate her per Feloni. Meanwhile Maul got taken out twice by a physically and mentally wrecked Kenobi in the first minuite needing external aid to get out of trouble. There's literally nothing suggesting resurrected Maul is even on par with Oppress.

A physically and mentally wrecked Maul was also stalemating Savage in a bout of pure strength, and wrecked him less than a few months after his ressurection.

Unless you want to argue TCW Maul can one-shot TPM Maul from a mere month(s) of growth from that power-level, well then either Maul has a higher potential than Anakin or your argument is absolute horsesh!t.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oppress beat Koon by pulling his mask off. Jinn lacks such a glaring weakness and had Kenobi backing him up for most of the fight, so I don't think you can directly compare the two fights. Koon had clone troopers shooting Opress in the back throughout, and he had been kicked to his knees before his mask was pulled off - he lost. Jinn's showing on Tatooine and when the laser door re-opened are better.

Originally posted by MythLord
A physically and mentally wrecked Maul was also stalemating Savage in a bout of pure strength,

One who obviously wasn't trying to hurt Maul.

Uh, Maul one-shotted Oppress via use of his cybernetic legs. You can look at Kenobi or Dooku as examples of why the gap isn't that drastic in terms of skill.

And it should be obvious from just how Maul fared vs Kenobi the difference was massive. Resurrected maul was put down twice by a massively hindered kenobi in less than a minute, season 5 went toe to toe with a fresh kenobi for about a minute.

Maul literally overpowered and disarmed Savage within two blows, before finally stomping on him with his cybernetic legs. He'd still be capable of doing the same to TPM Maul by your logic, which is stupid.

When was Maul "put down" by a massively hindered Kenobi?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Resurrected maul was put down twice by a massively hindered kenobi in less than a minute

Rockydonowank ladies and gentleman.

Maul does suck though ngl.