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According to the Bible every born again believer in Jesus Christ is a saint.

See:

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=saint&version1=50&searchtype=all&limit=none&wholewordsonly=no

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
According to the Bible every believer in Jesus Christ is a saint.



you're a legend in your own mind.

Saints are made by the current pope, no?

Originally posted by Boris
Saints are made by the current pope, no?

No, a saint is just another name for a believer in Jesus Christ. The Pope has no power to do anything (he only has the sway that people give him).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
(he only has the sway that people give him).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, a saint is just another name for a believer in Jesus Christ. The Pope has no power to do anything (he only has the sway that people give him).

Right... so how come the Pope can canonize people into Saints then?

Originally posted by Boris
Right... so how come the Pope can canonize people into Saints then? Saints and canonized saints are two different things. Canonized saints are simply considered especially commendable and holy Christians (all Christians are saints) that deserve veneration and are considered powerful intercessor's because of their righteousness according to the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox tradition.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4a/Saintkillers.jpg/200px-Saintkillers.jpg

This is the only saint I believe in

Originally posted by Boris
Right... so how come the Pope can canonize people into Saints then?

Because people believe that he can. I personally do not recognize the Pope's authority.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Because people believe that he can. I personally do not recognize authority.

Originally posted by Devil King


That's okay, you, me, and every other created being in Heaven, on earth, or in Hell will one day bow our knees to Jesus Christ, and our tongues will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father (Just wait and see).

Philippians 2:9-11
9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


You can bow now (as a believer) or you can bow later (as one who is lost).

Since when does Jesus force anyone. Wouldn't that go against Free Will?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Because people believe that he can. I personally do not recognize the Pope's authority.

Wow, so that means that in other people's eyes, you're hellbound as well.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That's okay, you, me, and every other created being in Heaven, on earth, or in Hell will one day bow our knees to Jesus Christ, and our tongues will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father (Just wait and see).

When that day comes, you make sure you're standing next to me in line....I wanna see the look on your face.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Since when does Jesus force anyone. Wouldn't that go against Free Will?

It is an involuntary reaction to Jesus' greatness as God Almighty, not something forced as such. Go back and read the Bible and see how people responded to visions of Jesus and you see a pattern of people falling on their face before Him. Some have even felt compelled to fall down and worship angels or have fallen before angels feet. Why do they fall before angels? Because the glory of God is tangible. Angels who stand in God's presence have some of His glory on and in them, and that glory is what makes people fall down before them (but it is God's glory not theirs as such).

This is a very crude, crude illustration but here it goes. Imagine if your favorite celebrity walked into your bedroom to say hi to you and to meet you, what do you think would be your initial reaction? I think that you would faint, lose your breath, or you would be frozen speechless.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
This is a very crude, crude illustration but here it goes. Imagine if your favorite celebrity walked into your bedroom

Actually, it's spot on to describe your infatuation with Jesus.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is an involuntary reaction to Jesus' greatness as God Almighty, not something forced as such. Go back and read the Bible and see how people responded to visions of Jesus and you see a pattern of people falling on their face before Him. Some have even felt compelled to fall down and worship angels or have fallen before angels feet. Why do they fall before angels? Because the glory of God is tangible. Angels who stand in God's presence have some of His glory on and in them, and that glory is what makes people fall down before them (but it is God's glory not theirs as such).

This is a very crude, crude illustration but here it goes. Imagine if your favorite celebrity walked into your bedroom to say to you and to meet you, what do you think would be your initial reaction? I think that you would faint, lose your breath, or you would be frozen speechless. Even people in hell?

http://web.telia.com/~u15903031/919518.jpg

Originally posted by AngryManatee
http://web.telia.com/~u15903031/919518.jpg



Somenone whom you have fallen down before?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Even people in hell?

Yes.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Because people believe that he can. I personally do not recognize the Pope's authority.

Then I'm afraid you're going straight to Hell.

The Pope is God on earth.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
http://web.telia.com/~u15903031/919518.jpg



No, I was just kidding Angrypostalworker, I mean AngryManatee. That is a picture of Val Kilmer. Why do you ask?

I don't recall asking anything...

Originally posted by Boris
Then I'm afraid you're going straight to Hell.

The Pope is God on earth. Not even Catholic believe that. You never cease to astonish me with new heights of idiocy.

Originally posted by Boris
Then I'm afraid you're going straight to Hell.

The Pope is God on earth.

Now, Timmy (I mean Boris) you might want to sit down because what I am about to tell you is universe-shattering:

the Pope is just an old, Caucasian man who has managed to fool the masses into believing that he has authority over them.

Your are not hyperventilating are you Boris? Boris? Boris?





















*Flatlines*

Boris!

(We'eve lost him)

A person does not become a saint till a couple of years after.WHen MOther Theresa dead, they claim her a saint alittle afterwards.So it depends on what that person did and if the church argrees to make that p erson a saint.jm

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
A person does not become a saint till a couple of years after.WHen MOther Theresa dead, they claim her a saint alittle afterwards.So it depends on what that person did and if the church argrees to make that p erson a saint.jm

There is no such animal as making someone a saint. The whole idea is unscriptural. If you are born again, then you are a saint. No person makes you this, you become this the moment that you become born again.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Now, Timmy (I mean Boris) you might want to sit down because what I am about to tell you is universe-shattering:

the Pope is just an old, Caucasian man who has managed to fool the masses into believing that he has authority over them.

Your are not hyperventilating are you Boris? Boris? Boris?

*Flatlines*

Boris!

(We'eve lost him)



Now, JIA you might want to sit down because what I am about to tell you is universe-shattering:

Jesus was just a crazy, arab man who has somehow managed to fool the masses, for years after it has become apparent it's all false... into believing that he was the son of a non existent God.

Your are not hyperventilating are you JIA? JIA? JIA?!

We've lost him... ah well.

No great loss there.

Originally posted by Boris
Now, JIA you might want to sit down because what I am about to tell you is universe-shattering:

Jesus was just a crazy, arab man who has somehow managed to fool the masses, for years after it has become apparent it's all false... into believing that he was the son of a non existent God.

Your are not hyperventilating are you JIA? JIA? JIA?!

We've lost him... ah well.

No great loss there.

How are you going to use my joke?

In Protestant terminology, a saint is any Christian believer. In the Roman Catholic Church, it is an especially holy deceased Christian who has met certain requirements and has been canonized by the Pope.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
According to the Bible every born again believer in Jesus Christ is a saint.

See:

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=saint&version1=50&searchtype=all&limit=none&wholewordsonly=no




There are a lot of lies in the bible; why is this one any more important then any of the others?

A saint is someone who is pious and attain God-hood throuigh mysticism and ascteics.

A Saint is someone who has done extraordinary things for other people through the power of God.

Not a person who simply becomes Evangelical, and votes right wing...stop being egotistic JIA

Haha! JIA thinks he's a saint. Thats too funny

He so up his own arse he can smell his shit!

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Haha! JIA thinks he's a saint. Thats to funny

He so up his own arse he can smell his shit!

If he was a saint, wouldn't he be a kinder person?

In the christian tradition a saint is basically a monk that performs 3 miracles in the name of God.

Because of politics behind the catholic church...anyone who gets more popular votes becomes a saint. This of course cause controversy in Latin American countries. Were saint popularity is the highest. There is a canon procedure that is been change to please the masses of believers. It's becoming a contest of popularity rather than an actual search for holy people.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
A Saint is someone who has done extraordinary things for other people through the power of God.

Not a person who simply becomes Evangelical, and votes right wing...stop being egotistic JIA

Can you substantiate this?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Can you substantiate this?

Saint

a person who has died and has been declared a saint by canonization


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=active&defl=en&q=define:saint&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Saint

a person who has died and has been declared a saint by canonization


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=active&defl=en&q=define:saint&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

Can you substantiate that with an authoritative source?

If what you posted is true Shakyamunison then why does the Bible contradict that information?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Can you substantiate that with an authoritative source?

If what you posted is true Shakyamunison then why does the Bible contradict that information?

Why would I know the answer to that question? I'm a Buddhist, not a Christian.


A saint is something made up by man.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why would I know the answer to that question? I'm a Buddhist, not a Christian.


A saint is something made up by man.

So then you cannot substantiate it?

So then why did you attempt to? You appear to start things that you cannot finish.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Can you substantiate this?

Can you ?


Catholicism came up with the concept of Sainthood far before your Evangelical clan have.

You took an idea which already existed, stole it, then re defined it as your own. Catholics have done this as well before your culture has.

Saints have done extraordinary things for other people, and have made great changes.


You DARE compare yourself to any one of the past Saints ? HA ! Such Hubris (like Lucifer had)


St. Joan of Arc, Mother Teresa, St. Jude, St. Micheal...as if you, an internet loser who harasses people and tears down the cultures of others, has ANY RIGHT comparing himself to great people like these.

Wait. Don't people have to do two extraordinary good things in order to qualify for Saints?

I remember reading that somewhere...although I cannot remember where.

The Concept of Saint-hood predates any Christian religion and is kinda of different.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Wait. Don't people have to do two extraordinary good things in order to qualify for Saints?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Can you ?


Catholicism came up with the concept of Sainthood far before your Evangelical clan have.

You took an idea which already existed, stole it, then re defined it as your own. Catholics have done this as well before your culture has.

Saints have done extraordinary things for other people, and have made great changes.


You DARE compare yourself to any one of the past Saints ? HA ! Such Hubris (like Lucifer had)


St. Joan of Arc, Mother Teresa, St. Jude, St. Micheal...as if you, an internet loser who harasses people and tears down the cultures of others, has ANY RIGHT comparing himself to great people like these.

That is my point precisely.

The leaders of the Roman Catholic Church came up with the fallacious doctrine of declaring someone a saint when the Holy Bible (the true source of authority on what constitues a saint) states almost implicitly and inferentially that every born again believer (i.e. every Christian) is a saint.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That is my point precisely.

The leaders of the Roman Catholic Church came up with the fallacious doctrine of declaring someone a saint when the Holy Bible (the true source of authority on what constitues a saint) states almost implicitly and inferentially that every born again believer (i.e. Christian) is a saint.




They ALSO put together the Bible

Kali, you're just standing in the way of God and holiness.

I proclaim fatwa against you. FATWA!

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Kali, you're just standing in the way of God and holiness.

I proclaim fatwa against you. FATWA!






I love you Mila

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That is my point precisely.

The leaders of the Roman Catholic Church came up with the fallacious doctrine of declaring someone a saint.




No, they didn't, Saint-Hood had long exsisted prior to the establisment of the church. Furthermore, mordern Christianity was created by the church. There was no Christianity prior to the church, just a couple of cults.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, they didn't, Saint-Hood had long exsisted prior to the establisment of the church. Furthermore, mordern Christianity was created by the church. There was no Christianity prior to the church, just a couple of cults.


So, I am still a saint based on the Bible. Sainthood is not a behavior as such it is a designation.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So, I am still a saint based on the Bible. Sainthood is not a behavior as such it is a designation.


So, The Bible state you are a saint?
What book and what verse?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, The Bible state you are a saint?
What book and what verse?

Click on the first page of this thread and then click on the link to view the abundant references/occurences of the word saint in the New Testament (you do realize the New Testament was written to and for believers don't you? Well I am included in that group).

I clicked on your link and found nothing to substantiate your claim, even from the Bible....

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I clicked on your link and found nothing to substantiate your claim, even from the Bible....

Did you look in the New Testament? The word saint is very common in the New Testament and it is synonymous with the just, the righteous. It refers to believers (i.e Christians).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Did you look in the New Testament? The word saint is very common in the New Testament and it is synonymous with the just, the righteous. It refers to believers (i.e Christians).


But how do you know its Evangelicals, and not other Christians like Catholics and Orthadox ?

And also how do you know you are just and righteous ?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
But how do you know its Evangelicals, and not other Christians like Catholics and Orthadox ?

And also how do you know you are just and righteous ?


Catholics are not Christians.

The Bible says so.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Catholics are not Christians.

The Bible says so.


How are that Catholics not Christians ? Please prove this



Secondly, why and how are you better than Greek Orthodox ?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Catholics are not Christians.

The Bible says so. `

The mordern Bible's canon was fashioned by Chatholics for their religion. Mordern Christianity =Catholiscism

So, unless you have the Sinai Bible at home somewhere. . .you fail
Seriously, how can the founders of a religion be wrong about the religion they created?

I tried reading the new testament today, and I got to page 10 before I got bored and started drawing on the pages.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
`

The mordern Bible's canon was fashioned by Chatholics for their religion. Mordern Christianity =Catholiscism

So, unless you have the Sinai Bible at home somewhere. . .you fail
Seriously, how can the founders of a religion be wrong about the religion they created?

Christians are Christians and Catholics are Catholics.

Catholics may have created Roman Catholicism, but they did not create the church--Jesus did.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Christians are Christians and Catholics are Catholics.

Catholics may have created Roman Catholicism, but they did not create the church--Jesus did.



Actually, Peter did. . .according to the Catholic mytho's.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
How are that Catholics not Christians ? Please prove this



Secondly, why and how are you better than Greek Orthodox ?



http://www.born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Actually, Peter did. . .according to the Catholic mytho's.

You are another casualty of Roman Catholic falsehood.

http://www.born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm
Oh, so, your from the church that pre-dates the church. . .makes sense.

So, these born again Christians must have some bible that is seperate from the Roman canon.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Actually, Peter did. . .according to the Catholic mytho's.

How do you keep hitting the nail on the head? You are correct: according to Catholic myth (that is my whole point).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
How do you keep hitting the nail on the head? You are correct: according to Catholic myth (that is my whole point).


Catholics wrote the mordern bible. . .

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Catholics wrote the mordern bible. . .

No, they did not write the Bible. Go back and do some research your statement is not correct.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, they did not write the Bible. Go back and do some research your statement is not correct.

I did, the Mordern Bible was created by catholics coupled with the ancient jewish religion. It was areligion created to fortify their rule and unite people of the empire. Further, they could quell many jewish rebellions by using the Archetype "Yeshua" which was a common persona for jewsih heroe's. Why do you think Yeshua son of nun performed most of the prophecy's that jesus did not?

It's a reoccuring motif.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I did, the Mordern Bible was created by catholics coupled with the ancient jewish religion. It was areligion created to fortify their rule and unite people of the empire. Further, they could quell many jewish rebellions by using the Archetype "Yeshua" which was a common persona for jewsih heroe's. Why do you think Yeshua son of nun performed most of the prophecy's that jesus did not?

It's a reoccuring motif.

No, the Bible was not created by the Catholics period.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There is no such animal as making someone a saint. The whole idea is unscriptural. If you are born again, then you are a saint. No person makes you this, you become this the moment that you become born again.

Where in the bible is this written?jm

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Where in the bible is this written?jm

It is by virtue of our position in Christ. See 1 Corinthians 1:2; Romans 6:3-2, 8:1

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is by virtue of our position in Christ. See 1 Corinthians 1:2; Romans 6:3-2, 8:1

So, jesus wrote the Old Testament that predates him?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, jesus wrote the Old Testament that predates him?

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God (i.e. God-breathed). Jesus is God so the Bible is His Word. Also, Jesus predates the universe because He is God.

For everybody that is confused:

There is a difference between being a saint and canonized saints. All Christians are saints and the Catholic church also believes this. There are also canonized saints in the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches that are venerated.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God (i.e. God-breathed). Jesus predates the universe because He is God. So, God gave inspiration for the mordern Catholic bible, cool.

Originally posted by Nellinator
For everybody that is confused:

There is a difference between being a saint and canonized saints. All Christians are saints and the Catholic church also believes this. There are also canonized saints in the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches that are venerated.

But they should not be venerated. This is unscriptural.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But they should not be venerated. This is unscriptural.
Yeah, it's an oral tradtion.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Yeah, it's an oral tradtion.

There you go hitting the nail on the head again. Fantastic.

Oral tradition is extremely important. Without it there would be no scripture.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Oral tradition is extremely important. Without it there would be no scripture.

I am talking about the tradition of venerating the apostles. That aspect of oral tradition is unscriptural.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, God gave inspiration for the mordern Catholic bible, cool.

No, God gave the inspiration for the Scriptures per se (i.e. the actual text).

I am not even talking about the Catholic bible, that is a totally separate issue.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am talking about the tradition of venerating the apostles. That aspect of oral tradition is unscriptural.

Not really.

"Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ" (1 Corinthians 11:1)

"Brethren, be followers together with me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an example" (Phillipians 3:17)

It is likewise in 1 Thessalonians 1:6 and 2 Thessalonians 3:7.

"Remember them which have rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God; whose faith imitate, considering the end of the their manner of life" (Hebrews 13:7)

"Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience" (James 5:10)

Imitation is the highest form of veneration.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Not really.

"Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ" (1 Corinthians 11:1)

"Brethren, be followers together with me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an example" (Phillipians 3:17)

It is likewise in 1 Thessalonians 1:6 and 2 Thessalonians 3:7.

"Remember them which have rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God; whose faith imitate, considering the end of the their manner of life" (Hebrews 13:7)

"Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience" (James 5:10)

Imitation is the highest form of veneration.


But imitation and veneration (i.e. a euphemism for worship) are two entirely different things. I can imitate your faith in Jesus without venerating you (i.e. without holding you up on a pedestal that belongs only to Jesus, praying to you, and hanging pictures of you on my wall for further ritualistic acts of devotion).

Personally, I endeavor to imitate Christ because He is my true Example for how to live.

To venerate is not the same as to worship. Imitation is all it refers to.

No one holds saints on the same pedestal as Jesus, no one prays to saints, and the pictures thing I agree with you on.

We can only hope that you do.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Where in the bible is this written?jm

1 Corinthians 1:2; Romans 8:1.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, imitate does not mean venerate. Veneration by the very definition you gave is "to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference". This leads to imitation. Reverence simply means respect felt for someone. Therefore veneration is not worship and it practiced through imitation.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Veneration by the very definition you gave is "to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference". This leads to imitation. Reverence simply means respect felt for someone. Therefore veneration is not worship and it practiced through imitation.

How does veneration (which is not a Biblical term) lead to imitation? I don't believe that veneration is practiced through imitation. Besides, we are not instructed by God to venerate anyone let alone deceased believers.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Catholics are not Christians.

The Bible says so.

Brillant... just... brilliant.

JIA is not a christian

Jesus says so

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
JIA is not a christian

Jesus says so

I was responding to two separate statements. I was not saying that Catholics were not Christians because the Bible says so. Here is the post that I was responding to. Notice that there are two questions. The first question asks, "

"But how do you know its Evangelicals, and not other Christians like Catholics and Orthadox ?"

My answer to this question is, "Christians are not Catholics."

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
But how do you know its Evangelicals, and not other Christians like Catholics and Orthadox ?

And also how do you know you are just and righteous ?

The second question asks,

"And also how do you know you are just and righteous ?"

I responded to this question with this statement: The Bible says so.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
1 Corinthians 1:2; Romans 8:1.



Ok give me time to look it up and I will be right back with a comment.Btw are you a christian or a catloic?JM

Isn't a saint just anyone who has been Canonized?

What does that word mean?jm

Made a saint srug

To officially declare a deceased Christian to be a saint. In the Catholic church, saints are canonized by the Pope and must have performed at least two miracles. In the Orthodox church, saints are canonized by synods of regional bishops. Protestants do not canonize.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I was responding to two separate statements. I was not saying that Catholics were not Christians because the Bible says so. Here is the post that I was responding to. Notice that there are two questions. The first question asks, "

"But how do you know its Evangelicals, and not other Christians like Catholics and Orthadox ?"

My answer to this question is, "Christians are not Catholics."



The second question asks,

"And also how do you know you are just and righteous ?"

I responded to this question with this statement: The Bible says so.

But the Bible means squat, so your logic is quite flawed.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So then you cannot substantiate it?

So then why did you attempt to? You appear to start things that you cannot finish.



I was just trying to help you, but if you want to put your own meaning to words, why would I care. People will just think you are a nut.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The second question asks,

"And also how do you know you are just and righteous ?"

I responded to this question with this statement: The Bible says so.


Can you answer my first question please ?


"But how do you know its Evangelicals, and not other Christians like Catholics and Orthadox ?"

As for my second question, the Bible no where says that you specifically are a saint. You are in fact, quite egotistic, and rather annoying at this point.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So, I am still a saint based on the Bible. Sainthood is not a behavior as such it is a designation.



You are delusional.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Can you answer my first question please ?


"But how do you know its Evangelicals, and not other Christians like Catholics and Orthadox ?"

As for my second question, the Bible no where says that you specifically are a saint. You are in fact, quite egotistic, and rather annoying at this point.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, a saint is just another name for a believer in Jesus Christ. The Pope has no power to do anything (he only has the sway that people give him).

False. Saint Peter is not pleased. Please try again.

Originally posted by Naz
False. Saint Peter is not pleased. Please try again.

Why do you believe that it is false?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are delusional.

And as is customary with you, you fail to substantiate what you say.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
And as is customary with you, you fail to substantiate what you say.



You substantiated it for me. Anyone (with the exception of you) can read the post form before and understand why I said what I said based on your delusional statement.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why do you believe that it is false?

Because

A) You are not a saint, of course, neither am I.
B) The Pope is infallible.
C) A Christian is a believer in Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali



It is by virtue of our position in Christ (i.e. as believers).

1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

You do realize that the New Testament was written to believers don't you? There were believers in Corinth just like there are believers every where else in the world. We are called saints.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is by virtue of our position in Christ (i.e. as believers).

1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

You do realize that the New Testament was written to believers don't you? There were believers in Corinth just like there are believers every where else in the world. We are called saints.

For you to call yourself a saint is like me calling myself a rock star. My friends call me a rock star, but is only because I play music. You maybe a saint, in the way that you are a Christian, but you are not a Saint in the sense of the bigger meaning.

Originally posted by Naz
Because

A) You are not a saint, of course, neither am I.
B) The Pope is infallible.
C) A Christian is a believer in Jesus Christ.

I have supported with the Bible that you are incorrect. Every believer is a saint (Read 1 Corinthians 1:2).

Show me where in the Bible it states the word Pope or that he is infallible.

You are just another casualty of Roman Catholic indoctrination and unscriptural teaching.

http://www.born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

We are called saints.
Et alors?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
For you to call yourself a saint is like me calling myself a rock star. My friends call me a rock star, but is only because I play music. You maybe a saint, in the way that you are a Christian, but you are not a Saint in the sense of the bigger meaning.

You are incorrect. You have no Biblical understanding of what the word saint means. The word saint refers to every believer in Jesus Christ. I have shown you from the Bible. There is no bigger meaning for the word saint.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You are incorrect. You have no Biblical understanding of what the word saint means. The word saint refers to every believer in Jesus Christ. I have shown you from the Bible. There is no bigger meaning for the word saint.

You do not know what I do or do not know. I understood what you were getting at, but it is a delusional game you play. It is no different then I calling myself a rock star, when I am not.

The meaning of words are based upon popularity of use. As time goes by, the meaning of words change. At the time when the bible was written, the word saint had a different meaning then it does now. To misguide people by intentionally using an archaic meaning is a game of delusion. All you are trying to do is cause arguments.

What do you hope to achieve? Do you seek to create an illusion of superiority and to build up an image of high self-worth? Are you striving for recognition and prestige to compensate for the lack of self-confidence?

Do you see me creating the following thread:

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You do not know what I do or do not know. I understood what you were getting at, but it is a delusional game you play. It is no different then I calling myself a rock star, when I am not.

The meaning of words are based upon popularity of use. As time goes by, the meaning of words change. At the time when the bible was written, the word saint had a different meaning then it does now. To misguide people by intentionally using an archaic meaning is a game of delusion. All you are trying to do is cause arguments.

(You still don't get it.)

The Bible refers to believers as saints (it is not something that I call myself) that is the difference between you calling yourself a rock star--because you are not one. But I am a saint whether I call myself a saint or not because the Bible calls all believers saints. If I call myself a saint then I am speaking truthfully because I can support that statement with Scripture. But if you call yourself a rock star you would be lying because you cannot support that statement.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I have stated that the word is in the Bible and I have even quoted the Scripture a few times (where have you been?).

I understand what you have said, but deceit is not how I operate. My point is simply to debunk the unscripturally tenable Roman Catholic doctrine of sainthood. The apostles are not super saints, they are saints just like any other believer in Jesus Christ.


Then you should have said that in the beginning. Most people do not have any reverence for the bible that you do, so to simply say it is in the bible does not have the same effect in them, that it has in you.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I have supported with the Bible that you are incorrect. Every believer is a saint (Read 1 Corinthians 1:2).

Show me where in the Bible it states the word Pope or that he is infallible.

You are just another casualty of Roman Catholic indoctrination and unscriptural teaching.

http://www.born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm

I agree with Shakyamunison here:

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
For you to call yourself a saint is like me calling myself a rock star. My friends call me a rock star, but is only because I play music. You maybe a saint, in the way that you are a Christian, but you are not a Saint in the sense of the bigger meaning.

the word "pope" is never mentioned, but you should be knowledgeable of the "Peter you are a rock and on this rock I build my church" spiel, that's where the office, if you will, of Pope comes from.

Also, Catholics acknowledge Sacred Tradition, which is NOT tradition in the sense of "We've always done something this way, so let's keep doing it this way", but of the other stuff that Jesus taught the Apostles, but that they didn't necessarily write down in their Gospels and books of the Bible.

I read the first paragraph of that site and burst out laughing. Yay for the satanically inspired counterfeit of Christianity that is God's one true holy Church.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then you should have said that in the beginning. Most people do not have any reverence for the bible that you do, so to simply say it is in the bible does not have the same effect in them, that it has in you.

I presumed that you understood what I was talking about (did I give you too much credit?).

Saint is just something the Catholic church made up and nothing more.

Saints were invented to promote a standard by which other people should live.


I do not thnk it is such a bad idea for Christianity to have models to follow, besides Christ. Models of courage, wisdom, love, etc.

St. Francis of Assissi was excellent for example.

He was like the French Buddha in my opinion

Originally posted by debbiejo
Saint is just something the Catholic church made up and nothing more.

Thank you Debbiejoe for once speaking something accurate. Although the Catholic Church did not make up the word saint, they simply invented the doctrine of sainthood that teaches that only certain people are saints. This contradicts the teaching of the Bible which states that all believers in Christ are holy ones (i.e. saints).

1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Thank you Debbiejoe for once speaking something accurate. Although the Catholic Church did not make up the word saint, they simply invented the doctrine of sainthood that teaches that only certain people are saints. This contradicts the teaching of the Bible which states that all believers in Christ are holy ones (i.e. saints).

1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:






I wish I could go back in time and taste Jesus..rub his hot naked body in oil, and **** *** droolio

^ Goddess Kali you are embarrassing me. _a

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
^ Goddess Kali you are embarrassing me. _a

lol y ?

Since when do I speak on your behalf ?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
^ Goddess Kali you are embarrassing me. _a

Is he a sick person?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I wish I could go back in time and taste Jesus..rub his hot naked body in oil, and **** *** droolio

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
lol y ?

Since when do I speak on your behalf ?

No, not that. Just you and your curd way.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Is he a sick person?




I'm sick for Jesus...u have no idea how much I WANT CHRIST ! dd


I have a Jesus Fetish...I can't help it....a naked man wears a crown of thorns, and OMG he's got me wrapped around his finger dd

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Is he a sick person?



Yes, but not as sick as you.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I'm sick for Jesus...u have no idea how much I WANT CHRIST ! dd


I have a Jesus Fetish...I can't help it....a naked man wears a crown of thorns, and OMG he's got me wrapped around his finger dd

But...I was asking Shakyamunison?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, but not as sick as you.



Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I'm sick for Jesus...u have no idea how much I WANT CHRIST ! dd


I have a Jesus Fetish...I can't help it....a naked man wears a crown of thorns, and OMG he's got me wrapped around his finger dd

ok im sorry, i coudlnt help it lol ill stop

Originally posted by Storm
What do you hope to achieve? Do you seek to create an illusion of superiority and to build up an image of high self-worth? Are you striving for recognition and prestige to compensate for the lack of self-confidence?

Do you see me creating the following thread:

I hope to inform and to disabuse the minds of those who have been indoctrinated with false teachings. That is what I hope to achieve. No to the rest of what you wrote.

Any more questions my cheri?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I hope to inform and to disabuse the minds of those who have been indoctrinated with false teachings. That is what I hope to achieve. No to the rest of what you wrote.

Any more questions my cheri?



Hahaha what a post coming from you.

Originally posted by Boris
Hahaha what a post coming from you.

Storm knows that she loves me that is why she gets so emotional and singles me out so much (in a platonic, non-romantic, strictly detached, totally aloof, and devoid of any human contact kind of way).

(Just kidding Storm.)

I just thought it was funny you talking about what you are, you know, since you have been indoctrinated into Christianity, with all it's wrong and false teachings.

Originally posted by Boris
I just thought it was funny you talking about what you are, you know, since you have been indoctrinated into Christianity, with all it's wrong and false teachings.

"Hahaha, lol, yeah." Oops, I am not you Boris.

Awwww, not going to post some useless bible quotes anymore? How about a nice Christan science website?

Hahaha, lol, yeah!!!!

Originally posted by Boris
Awwww, not going to post some useless bible quotes anymore? How about a nice Christan science website?

Hahaha, lol, yeah!!!!

Hahah you're quite the fan of your one smiley posts, eh?

Come on JIA! Spout some total bullshit at me, make me laugh at your dire level of intellect... pweety pwease....

Originally posted by Boris
Hahah you're quite the fan of your one smiley posts, eh?

Come on JIA! Spout some total bullshit at me, make me laugh at your dire level of intellect... pweety pwease....

I don't use profanity.

Change your ways, follow the dark lord and you will have anything you desire.

Originally posted by Boris
Change your ways, follow the dark lord and you will have anything you desire.



Away with you Boris,

It is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve."

--Matthew 4:10

Originally posted by Boris
Change your ways, follow the dark lord and you will have anything you desire.

O_O
We are not worthy.... we are not worthy...

@_@ -ish possessed by the Devil-

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Ok give me time to look it up and I will be right back with a comment.Btw are you a christian or a catloic?JM

I am a believer in Jesus Christ (i.e. what society calls a Christian).

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Can you answer my first question please ?


"But how do you know its Evangelicals, and not other Christians like Catholics and Orthadox ?"

As for my second question, the Bible no where says that you specifically are a saint. You are in fact, quite egotistic, and rather annoying at this point.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is by virtue of our position in Christ (i.e. as believers).

1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

You do realize that the New Testament was written to believers don't you? There were believers in Corinth just like there are believers every where else in the world. We are called saints.

Christians are saints in the non-colloquial sense of the word--a title, rather than an adjective expressing characteristics of sainthood according to our culture.