WOnder Woman with the Godwave vs. MJJ

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nvrbeenwthagirl
Would the power that can defeat anyone short of the presence be able to wipe out MJJ and the Universe he resides in should WW decide that he is a threat. Much Like Maxwell Cord. She has 30 minutes of time before her body burns out from the Power.

Galan007
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Would the power that can defeat anyone short of the presence be able to wipe out MJJ and the Universe he resides in should WW decide that he is a threat. Much Like Maxwell Cord. She has 30 minutes of time before her body burns out from the Power. I'm sorry,

But I just don't see the Godwave simply going around MJJ's Universe.

starlock
well Wonder Woman(godwave) vs Mjj /Wonder Woman for the win

The universe thing confuses me alittle-at the start of a versus match i would say they start without powers up and running unless given prep,so i think she would kill him quick,just my opinion

guy222
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Would the power that can defeat anyone short of the presence be able to wipe out MJJ and the Universe he resides in should WW decide that he is a threat. Much Like Maxwell Cord. She has 30 minutes of time before her body burns out from the Power.

Never, its prolly gonna get 'heated'

grey fox
He turns the god-wave into a tea-cup.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by grey fox
He turns the god-wave into a tea-cup.

How does he do this? Cronos with the same Godwave beat down the forces of Heaven. Heaven's Forces>>>>>>>>>>>>>MJJ

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How does he do this? Cronos with the same Godwave beat down the forces of Heaven. Heaven's Forces>>>>>>>>>>>>>MJJ

So what exactly has WW done with the GW?

And give me the issue #s so I can go get the scans right now.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
So what exactly has WW done with the GW?

And give me the issue #s so I can go get the scans right now.

Don't come in here with that BULL. Cuz Quasar hasn't done anything multiversal with the UN and yet you say the IG is superior to the UN becuz of WHAT REED did thus making it multiversal. Same thing. Now get lost.

batdude123
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Would the power that can defeat anyone short of the presence be able to wipe out MJJ and the Universe he resides in should WW decide that he is a threat. Much Like Maxwell Cord. She has 30 minutes of time before her body burns out from the Power.

crylaugh

batdude123
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Don't come in here with that BULL. Cuz Quasar hasn't done anything multiversal with the UN and yet you say the IG is superior to the UN becuz of WHAT REED did thus making it multiversal. Same thing. Now get lost.

What the f*ck? What the f**k?

All he did was ask for issue numbers of when Diana used the God Wave.

Priest
Originally posted by batdude123
crylaugh
laughing out loud laughing out loud

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by batdude123
What the f*ck? What the f**k?

All he did was ask for issue numbers of when Diana used the God Wave.

Doesn't matter what she did with it. I said that it's the same Godwave used by Cronos. And technically it is. Now stay out of our argument!!

Priest
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Doesn't matter what she did with it. I said that it's the same Godwave used by Cronos. And technically it is. Now stay out of our argument!!
yeah batdude this is a private discussion thread between Mr. Master Nver, and Galan..SO BUTT OUT mad mad

Galan007
Originally posted by Priest
yeah batdude this is a private discussion thread between Mr. Master Nver, and Galan..SO BUTT OUT mad mad eek!

Don't include me in this..... I gave up a while ago.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007
eek!

Don't include me in this..... I gave up a while ago.

laughing

and nice sig.

batdude123
Originally posted by Priest
yeah batdude this is a private discussion thread between Mr. Master Nver, and Galan..SO BUTT OUT mad mad

sad

Mr Master
Originally posted by batdude123
sad

hug

Priest
Originally posted by batdude123
sad
Originally posted by Mr Master
hug
gay? ermmha




stick out tongue

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Don't come in here with that BULL. Cuz Quasar hasn't done anything multiversal with the UN and yet you say the IG is superior to the UN becuz of WHAT REED did thus making it multiversal. Same thing. Now get lost.

So what was the point of making this thread?

Why didn't you just use Cronos?

Or Ares?

Or someone that's wield it, so we can have some substance with which to debate.

Otherwise, it's a guessing game,

based upon the other wielders that should've been used to begin with.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Priest
gay? ermmha

forgetu

Estacado
Originally posted by Mr Master
hug
Originally posted by Estacado
That was pretty ghey.ermmnone

Mr Master
Originally posted by Estacado


laughing

Priest
Originally posted by Mr Master
forgetu
laughing out loud awesome smily

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by batdude123
What the f*ck? What the f**k?

All he did was ask for issue numbers of when Diana used the God Wave.

Haven't you heard? Everything comes back to the IG vs UN debate.

roll eyes (sarcastic) You're really out of the loop.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Priest
laughing out loud awesome smily

I have to admit, I was laughing to myself for a while like a kid when I first saw it.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Haven't you heard? Everything comes back to the IG vs UN debate.

roll eyes (sarcastic) You're really out of the loop.

laughing out loud

Galan007
Originally posted by Mr Master
laughing

and nice sig. Thanks! love

Symmetric Chaos
Wait. Didn't Diana use it for nothing but amping her speed and strength?

Galan007
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wait. Didn't Diana use it for nothing but amping her speed and strength? Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Doesn't matter what she did with it. I said that it's the same Godwave used by Cronos. And technically it is. Now stay out of our argument!! doped

illadelph12
MJJ. thumb up

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Galan007
doped

laughing out loud I'll go see if I can find her using it.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by dawsey28
Wonder Woman #152
Diana summons the Godwave
1.http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman152111tg.jpg
2.http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman152120uv.jpg
3.http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman152130ne.jpg
4.http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman152147cm.jpg
5.http://img333.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman152153yl.jpg
6.http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wonderwoman152165ur.jpg


Oh yeah. This is going to be a fair fight roll eyes (sarcastic)

Mr Master
After reviewing WW with the GW,

MJJ for the easy win.

2damnloud
That shit was kinda weak.ermpop

outavodka
Originally posted by 2damnloud
That shit was kinda weak.ermpop my thoughts exactly... wat the hell was dat her shitty lil berserker rage???
Bone claw WW ftw

Priest
Originally posted by Mr Master
After reviewing WW with the GW,

MJJ for the easy win.
She could probably win a arm wrestling match stick out tongue

Symmetric Chaos
I really don't get the end though.

Did she mellow him into oblivion or something?

Priest
Originally posted by Galan007
Thanks! love

Originally posted by Priest
gay? ermmha


stick out tongue

Galan007
Originally posted by Mr Master
After reviewing WW with the GW,

MJJ for the easy win. Don't let those scans fool you...


The GW is very powerful:

http://i79.imagethrust.com/t/1156530/t1.jpg

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Galan007
Don't let those scans fool you...


The GW is very powerful:

http://i79.imagethrust.com/t/1156530/t1.jpg

True. But apparently Diana is a retard.

Galan007
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
True. But apparently Diana is a retard. yes

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Priest
gay? ermmha




stick out tongue

Nothing wrong with Gay people. Don't be like that.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
So what was the point of making this thread?

Why didn't you just use Cronos?

Or Ares?

Or someone that's wield it, so we can have some substance with which to debate.

Otherwise, it's a guessing game,

based upon the other wielders that should've been used to begin with.

I used WW on purpose. SInce it's ok to interchange Reed with the UN and Quasar with the UN. So there.

Galan007
Originally posted by Galan007
Don't let those scans fool you...


The GW is very powerful:

http://i79.imagethrust.com/t/1156530/t1.jpg

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I used WW on purpose. SInce it's ok to interchange Reed with the UN and Quasar with the UN. So there.

But Cronos and Diana didn't use the wave in ways that were even remotely similar. In fact it's hard to tell that Diana was using the wave at all erm

Priest
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Nothing wrong with Gay people. Don't be like that. what_3
...i was joking wink

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But Cronos and Diana didn't use the wave in ways that were even remotely similar. In fact it's hard to tell that Diana was using the wave at all erm

Well Reed and Quasar didn't use the UN in the same way either. Not even similiar. And yet we have people saying the IG is superior to the Multiversal powers of the UN. So um yeah,Same Un, Same Godwave.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well Reed and Quasar didn't use the UN in the same way either. Not even similiar. And yet we have people saying the IG is superior to the Multiversal powers of the UN. So um yeah,Same Un, Same Godwave.

So basicly this is nothing but a thread made to spite MrMaster?

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007
Don't let those scans fool you...


The GW is very powerful:

http://i79.imagethrust.com/t/1156530/t1.jpg

Nice.

Galan007
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So basicly this is nothing but a thread made to spite MrMaster? Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Doesn't matter what she did with it. I said that it's the same Godwave used by Cronos. And technically it is. Now stay out of our argument!! stick out tongue

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Galan007
stick out tongue

Oh right. I must have missed that.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well Reed and Quasar didn't use the UN in the same way either. Not even similiar. And yet we have people saying the IG is superior to the Multiversal powers of the UN. So um yeah,Same Un, Same Godwave.

I base the IG being Multiversal on the IG's Feats.


Incomplete IG merged Two UniverseS from a Universe separated from both.

Incomplete IG owned the UN

IG made Thanos the 616 Universe after he smacked up the 616 Universe

IG in Warlock's hand made the LT interfere

IG in Rune's series was stated by the LT himself as being able to bring about the demise of "His Universe and Our own aswell" after the Soul Gem claimed it could conquer BOTH MultiverseS.

To top it off,

4 Gems .... the Soul Gem-the Mind Gem-Space Gem and the Power Gem,

were creating one Reality after another,



Now if 4 Gems can create Realities,

isn't safe to summize, that the IG in it's completeness,

can do the same and FAR more?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
I base the IG being Multiversal on the IG's Feats.


Incomplete IG merged Two UniverseS from a Universe separated from both.

Incomplete IG owned the UN

IG made Thanos the 616 Universe after he smacked up the 616 Universe

IG in Warlock's hand made the LT interfere

IG in Rune's series was stated by the LT himself as being able to bring about the demise of "His Universe and Our own aswell" after the Soul Gem claimed it could conquer BOTH MultiverseS.

To top it off,

4 Gems .... the Soul Gem-the Mind Gem-Space Gem and the Power Gem,

were creating one Reality after another,



Now if 4 Gems can create Realities,

isn't safe to summize, that the IG in it's completeness,

can do the same and FAR more?

I base the Godwave's power off of it's feats as well. Check out ares with it and cronos with it. Nuff said. It also powers every single super powered being and God in DCU.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I base the Godwave's power off of it's feats as well. Check out ares with it and cronos with it. Nuff said. It also powers every single super powered being and God in DCU.

You said Diana with the Godwave. She clearly had no idea how to use it and would get destroyed.

I'd give the Godwave in the hands of someone who knew how to use it good odds though.

Priest
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I base the Godwave's power off of it's feats as well. Check out ares with it and cronos with it. Nuff said. It also powers every single super powered being and God in DCU.
Yet Darkseid was able to stop it no expression
MJJ shoulden't have a problem.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Priest
Yet Darkseid was able to stop it no expression
MJJ shoulden't have a problem.
And yet the forces of heaven couldn't stop it, and Darksied was able to halt it. But considering DS is an Entity lvl being, it's not as if that is a bad thing.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You said Diana with the Godwave. She clearly had no idea how to use it and would get destroyed.

I'd give the Godwave in the hands of someone who knew how to use it good odds though.

You mean kinda like Quasar didnt' have any idea how to use the UN? ANd what happened to him? he got destroyed. Now give the Un to REED and he fixes the Multiverse with it. Since it's the same Godwave that Cronos used, I'm assuming that Diana could pwn MJJ with it as easily as cronos could. Since cronos pwned Omniversal beings with great ease.

Priest
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yet the forces of heaven couldn't stop it, and Darksied was able to halt it. But considering DS is an Entity lvl being, it's not as if that is a bad thing.
Dont know really wat is a Entity level being, But im sure MJJ is far beyond that to begin with.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Priest
Dont know really wat is a Entity level being, But im sure MJJ is far beyond that to begin with.

He isn't anything to even blink at to the forces of Heaven. Since it's the same Godwave, I'm assuming WonderWoman using the Godwave would steam roll him.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You mean kinda like Quasar didnt' have any idea how to use the UN? ANd what happened to him? he got destroyed. Now give the Un to REED and he fixes the Multiverse with it.

I never knew Quasar had no idea how to use the UN.

And I don't remember the IG trying to stop Reed either.

oh well, maybe it's just me. shifty

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
I never knew Quasar had no idea how to use the UN.

And I don't remember the IG trying to stop Reed either.

oh well, maybe it's just me. shifty

I dont' remember the IG trying to stop Reed either. And yet some how, people try to say the IG is above the full unleashed multiversal power of the UN that reed used. WW with the Godwave won her battle.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
WW with the Godwave won her battle.

Who was she fighting anyway?

illadelph12
Isn't Entity Level a designation you made up yourself Nvr?

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' remember the IG trying to stop Reed either. And yet some how, people try to say the IG is above the full unleashed multiversal power of the UN that reed used. WW with the Godwave won her battle.

There's no such thing as the full unleashed multiversal power of the UN.


There's just the UN,

if you set it to rub out one person, then it does that,

if you set it to rub out the Multiverse, then it does that,

No difference in power output, only Range. smile


Nullification is nullification.

darthgoober
Isn't there a BIG difference between the way the Godwave works and the way the UN works? With the UN it's pretty much just concentrate on your target and push the button to fire and release the energy. The Godwave seems to be a little more complicated if only because of the different ways it can be utilized. So switching out feats of UN users seems a little more reasonable than doing the same for GW users IMO.

Big Sexy
Originally posted by Mr Master
There's no such thing as the full unleashed multiversal power of the UN.


There's just the UN,

if you set it to rub out one person, then it does that,

if you set it to rub out the Multiverse, then it does that,

No difference in power output, only Range. smile


Nullification is nullification. full unleashed multiversal power of the UN.
laughing

Mr Master
Originally posted by Big Sexy
full unleashed multiversal power of the UN.
laughing

laughing

Galan007
Originally posted by darthgoober
The Godwave seems to be a little more complicated if only because of the different ways it can be utilized. So switching out feats of UN users seems a little more reasonable than doing the same for GW users IMO. I agree.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
There's no such thing as the full unleashed multiversal power of the UN.


There's just the UN,

if you set it to rub out one person, then it does that,

if you set it to rub out the Multiverse, then it does that,

No difference in power output, only Range. smile


Nullification is nullification.

Who says that? that doesn't make a bit of sense. Not at all. So based upon what your saying. There is no evidence to support that theory. Any way, I guess the same applies to the Godwave. WW wins this.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Galan007
I agree.

I do not. YOur only saying that to hold up that rediculous theory. When applying the same theory to another character, all of a sudden, you can't switch out feats? RUBBISH!! I for one don't think feats can be switched, but if the forum seems to think it's ok to do with the UN, then it's ok to do with the GW. WW wins.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Who says that? that doesn't make a bit of sense. Not at all. So based upon what your saying. There is no evidence to support that theory.

Yes there is,

the UN does the same thing to one individual, like Korvac's body,

as it does to one Galaxy, like when Morg used it in Galactus' ship.

as it does to one Concept as it did to Universal Death in Earth X

as it does to one Universe, like in the Black Celestial Arc, or Korvac's Reality

as it does to a Multiverse, like in the Abraxas arc.


In all these instances the same reaction occurs, the subject or target is Nullified,

no more and no less whether your erasing a single person or the entire Multiverse. smile

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
Yes there is,

the UN does the same thing to one individual, like Korvac's body,

as it does to one Galaxy, like when Morg used it in Galactus' ship.

as it does to one Concept as it did to Universal Death in Earth X

as it does to one Universe, like in the Black Celestial Arc, or Korvac's Reality

as it does to a Multiverse, like in the Abraxas arc.


In all these instances the same reaction occurs, the subject or target is Nullified,

no more and no less whether your erasing a single person or the entire Multiverse. smile

Um no. The UN doesn't just do one thing. When Reed Used it, it remade everything and fixed the multiverse. So your examples don't count. Becuz the UN didn't remake any of those others that it erased.

2damnloud
What is the GW supposed to do?

Galan007
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I do not. YOur only saying that to hold up that rediculous theory. lol.

Now you're telling me what something I said means? roll eyes (sarcastic)

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um no. The UN doesn't just do one thing. When Reed Used it, it remade everything and fixed the multiverse. So your examples don't count. Becuz the UN didn't remake any of those others that it erased.

Dr Strange was going to use that same tactic back in 83 or 84.

Strange figured how to Re-Create the Universe with the UN:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2048/d3xy5.th.jpg

Had the remaining remnants of Eternity not asked Strange to be left alone,

Strange would have re-created the Universe with the UN.


The UN nullifies Reality which in turn becomes nothingness,

if you Nullify nothingness, well then the opposite of that is Reality,

that's how it works. (but you have to nullify the area that WAS Reality)



So yea, again,

it's always been the same.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Galan007
lol.

Now you're telling me what something I said means? roll eyes (sarcastic)

What ever. The point is, In this Thread WW is using the Godwave and all of a sudden people want to compare feats of what she did with it. But when I say the same thing about Reed and the UN and Quasar and the UN, it's a problem. I smell something awefully fishy.

darthgoober
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What ever. The point is, In this Thread WW is using the Godwave and all of a sudden people want to compare feats of what she did with it. But when I say the same thing about Reed and the UN and Quasar and the UN, it's a problem. I smell something awefully fishy.
Again nvr the UN is just a point and click device, isn't the Godwave a tad more complicated than that?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
Dr Strange was going to use that same tactic back in 83 or 84.

Strange figured how to Re-Create the Universe with the UN:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2048/d3xy5.th.jpg

Had the remaining remnants of Eternity not asked Strange to be left alone,

Strange would have re-created the Universe with the UN.


The UN nullifies Reality which in turn becomes nothingness,

if you Nullify nothingness, well then the opposite of that is Reality,

that's how it works. (but you have to nullify the area that WAS Reality)



So yea, again,

it's always been the same.

ANd yet he didn't. We go by on panel feats here. Also then, it was just the universe. I have no problem thinking the IG beats the UN when it's being used in a universal fashion. The IG user replaces Eternity. I have a problem when people try and suggest that the IG is superior to the UN when being used in a multiversal fashion. I"m not falling for that. Unless people concede that WW using the God wave beats MJJ into pieces.

Galan007
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What ever. The point is, In this Thread WW is using the Godwave and all of a sudden people want to compare feats of what she did with it. But when I say the same thing about Reed and the UN and Quasar and the UN, it's a problem. I smell something awefully fishy. Nothings fishy at all. erm



WW never tried to use the Wave in the same way others have.... . smile

Galan007
Originally posted by darthgoober
Again nvr the UN is just a point and click device, isn't the Godwave a tad more complicated than that? Yes.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What ever. The point is, In this Thread WW is using the Godwave and all of a sudden people want to compare feats of what she did with it. But when I say the same thing about Reed and the UN and Quasar and the UN, it's a problem. I smell something awefully fishy.

So in very simple terms you made this as nothing but a spite thread because you're pissed at MrMaster?

Wow. Are you like 5?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Galan007
Nothings fishy at all. erm



WW never tried to use the Wave in the same way others have.... . smile

And Quasar never tried to use the UN in the way that Reed has.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Galan007
Yes.

NO. From what Ive seen, it's basically just given the user the power to pummel anyone and anything in thier way and reshape it to thier will.

Galan007
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And Quasar never tried to use the UN in the way that Reed has. It doesn't mean he couldn't have though. smile

Galan007
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO. From what Ive seen, it's basically just given the user the power to pummel anyone and anything in thier way and reshape it to thier will. Almost anyone can grab the UN and fire it.

The same cannot be said about a being that is able to summon the GW. erm

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Galan007
It doesn't mean he couldn't have though. smile

But we don't deal in should have's and could have's and would have's here. ON panel feats say that WW would get pwned by MJJ even using the Godwave becuz she has never been shown doing what Ares or Cronos did. But according to This forum, as long as it's the same object of power, then it doesn't matter who uses it. Tho technically, Mxy's power used in the joker's hands is nothing compared to what mxy has done with it, or what he said he could do with it. But as long as it's the same, then I concede, on panel feats do not matter. Only popularity and accepted theories.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Galan007
Almost anyone can grab the UN and fire it.

The same cannot be said about a being that is able to summon the GW. erm

NO they can't. Anyone who doesn't know what the hell they are doing would unmake themselves or erase the universe. No one has ever shown the skill to unmake and remake the multiverse with it but Reed.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But according to This forum, as long as it's the same object of power, then it doesn't matter who uses it.

Stawman:

1. Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.
2. Quote an opponent's words out of context -- i.e., choose quotations that are not representative of the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy).
3. Present someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, refute that person's arguments, and pretend that every upholder of that position, and thus the position itself, has been defeated.
4. Invent a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs that are criticized, and pretend that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
5. Oversimplify a person's argument into a simple analogy, which can then be attacked.


Paranoid Schizophrenia:

Confusion
Inability to make decisions
Hallucinations
Changes in eating or sleeping habits, energy level, or weight
Delusions
Nervousness
Strange statements or behavior
Withdrawal from friends, work, or school
Neglect of personal hygiene
Anger
Indifference to the opinions of others
A tendency to argue
A conviction that you are better than others, or that people are out to get you

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Stawman:

1. Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.
2. Quote an opponent's words out of context -- i.e., choose quotations that are not representative of the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy).
3. Present someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, refute that person's arguments, and pretend that every upholder of that position, and thus the position itself, has been defeated.
4. Invent a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs that are criticized, and pretend that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
5. Oversimplify a person's argument into a simple analogy, which can then be attacked.


Paranoid Schizophrenia:

Confusion
Inability to make decisions
Hallucinations
Changes in eating or sleeping habits, energy level, or weight
Delusions
Nervousness
Strange statements or behavior
Withdrawal from friends, work, or school
Neglect of personal hygiene
Anger
Indifference to the opinions of others
A tendency to argue
A conviction that you are better than others, or that people are out to get you

Insults aside, as long as the item remains the same, ti doesn't matter who uses it and what fashion they use it in. You are only throwing insults becuz i'm using this Godwave Thing to make a point. Good nite sir.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So in very simple terms you made this as nothing but a spite thread because you're pissed at MrMaster?

Wow. Are you like 5?

Mr. Master isn't my concern. Get over yourself and him. I made the thread to test people and see if they would agree that it was the same Godwave or find a way to justify thier own bias. WOW. You are so wrong.

Galan007
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO they can't. Anyone who doesn't know what the hell they are doing would unmake themselves or erase the universe. No one has ever shown the skill to unmake and remake the multiverse with it but Reed. They can still fire the UN, that's the point.


Very few are capable of summoning a "full fledged" GW.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Insults aside, as long as the item remains the same, ti doesn't matter who uses it and what fashion they use it in. You are only throwing insults becuz i'm using this Godwave Thing to make a point. Good nite sir.

Making a point in this manner is the definition of a spite thread.

You say that we all think the way MrMaster does. I think you've got to get over that and make to logical leap that MrMaster =/= KMC wink

This is a pathetic way to instigate an argument that you want to have and could just as easily make in the proper thread.

You also ignore that the Godwave and the UN are used completely differently. The UN is "point and shoot" thats about it. The Godwave has been shown to be used in many different ways. Diana was only able to use it to amp her stats.

So really get over yourself and try to make thread that you actually want to make wink

Goddess Kali
what can Godwave do ?

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
what can Godwave do ?

Destroy many powerful creatures in DC. It's one of the most powerful things in the entire DCU.

But when WW is using it there was no evidence she had any idea how to use that aspect of it. She just got more powerful.

Goddess Kali
I am assuming it is far more powerful than ALE ?

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I am assuming it is far more powerful than ALE ?

They're not really comprable erm

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Destroy many powerful creatures in DC. It's one of the most powerful things in the entire DCU.

But when WW is using it there was no evidence she had any idea how to use that aspect of it. She just got more powerful.
NOt that anyone else was really shown doing anything with it more than becoming just more powerful.

starlock
i have a question

We know morg escaped the nullification by running( tyrants techno thingie was attached to his hand with the UN and he cut it off) everyone else has been destroyed by it, how did reed escape nullification?

Galan007
Originally posted by starlock
i have a question

We know morg escaped the nullification by running( tyrants techno thingie was attached to his hand with the UN and he cut it off) Morg was destroyed by the UN. confused

Originally posted by starlock
everyone else has been destroyed by it, how did reed escape nullification? If the user is able to comprehend the UN's energies, and their selected target... Said user is untouched by the "sphere of nullification"...

That's why Reed wasn't destroyed. smile

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Galan007
Morg was destroyed by the UN. confused

If the user is able to comprehend the UN's energies, and their selected target... Said user is untouched by the "sphere of nullification"...

That's why Reed wasn't destroyed. smile

Seems Reed is the best user of the UN. He's certainly done the most on panel with it. We go by feats here.

Galan007
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Seems Reed is the best user of the UN. He's certainly done the most on panel with it. We go by feats here. Yep, and an Incomplete IG pwned all of the UN's energies.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Galan007
Yep, and an Incomplete IG pwned all of the UN's energies.

Oh you did not just go there sister!

Galan007
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Oh you did not just go there sister! laughing out loud

That's as far as I go.... I refused to get back into this.. 313

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Galan007
Yep, and an Incomplete IG pwned all of the UN's energies.
All of the UN's energies at the time only focus on destroying one target, who didn't know what he was doing. Now Show me the IG pwning the UN being used in a multiversal way by Reed and I"ll shut up.

Galan007
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
All of the UN's energies at the time only focus on destroying one target, who didn't know what he was doing. Now Show me the IG pwning the UN being used in a multiversal way by Reed and I"ll shut up. A being with cosmic awareness doesn't know what he's doing?

That's weird... confused



And I like the scan of Utau pleading with Reed to disassemble the IG because it was too powerful and beyond his understanding...


Yet Utau didn't plead with Richards to not use the UN because it was too powerful now did he? smile

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Galan007
A being with cosmic awareness doesn't know what he's doing?

That's weird... confused



And I like the scan of Utau pleading with Reed to disassemble the IG because it was too powerful and beyond his understanding...


Yet Utau didn't plead with Richards to not use the UN because it was too powerful now did he? smile

UM and then REED showed everyone that he did understand about the IG by breaking it up and giving the gems to his members. He showed incredible will and understanding. Too bad Uatu was shown to be wrong. Nice try tho. Quasar didn't have cosmic awareness in that arc.

Mr Master
nuts

Originally posted by Mr Master
There's no such thing as the full unleashed multiversal power of the UN.


There's just the UN,

if you set it to rub out one person, then it does that,

if you set it to rub out the Multiverse, then it does that,

No difference in power output, only Range. smile


Nullification is nullification.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The UN does the same thing to one individual, like Korvac's body,

as it does to one Galaxy, like when Morg used it in Galactus' ship.

as it does to one Concept as it did to Universal Death in Earth X

as it does to one Universe, like in the Black Celestial Arc, or Korvac's Reality

as it does to a Multiverse, like in the Abraxas arc.


In all these instances the same reaction occurs, the subject or target is Nullified,

no more and no less whether your erasing a single person or the entire Multiverse.

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Galan007
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
UM and then REED showed everyone that he did understand about the IG by breaking it up and giving the gems to his members. He showed incredible will and understanding. lol.


Dude, Reed broke up the IG, because he COULDN'T control/understand it...


Reed can fully comprehend the power of the UN, but he cannot comprehend the IG, this is apparent if you actually read Illuminati #2.


That right there says enough. smile

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
nuts





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NOw prove it. Show me where it states that the UN operates on the same lvl of power all of the time when, galactus, whom it is a part of, does not operate on the same lvl of power all the time. Please show me how the UN can be so consistant in it's power lvl when the creature to whom it is part of, does not. Nuff said.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Galan007
lol.


Dude, Reed broke up the IG, because he COULDN'T control/understand it...


Reed can fully comprehend the power of the UN, but he cannot comprehend the IG, this is apparent if you actually read Illuminati #2.


That right there says enough. smile

And yet, Thanos said any dumbwitted idiot could understand the IG after a while of using it. So which is it? Is reed actually Dumber than say Nebula?

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
UM and then REED showed everyone that he did understand about the IG by breaking it up and giving the gems to his members. He showed incredible will and understanding. Too bad Uatu was shown to be wrong. Nice try tho.

laughing

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Quasar didn't have cosmic awareness in that arc.

Regardless,

Quasar has travelled the Cosmos far more than Reed,

Quasar has actually travelled OUTSIDE of the Prime Multiverse into another Multiverse.

Quasar has a better understanding of the Cosmos than Reed.



Quasar, should be able to handle the UN in a more effective manner than Reed,

cause the UN is all about being able to visualize the area your Nullifying, by definition, Quasar rules in this department, Quasar has dealt with and experience the Cosmos in a more intimate fashion than Reed.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007
lol.


Dude, Reed broke up the IG, because he COULDN'T control/understand it...


Reed can fully comprehend the power of the UN, but he cannot comprehend the IG, this is apparent if you actually read Illuminati #2.


That right there says enough. smile

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Galan007
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yet, Thanos said any dumbwitted idiot could understand the IG after a while of using it. So which is it? Is reed actually Dumber than say Nebula? Have you even read the IG arcs?

Nebula couldn't comprehend the IG, yet she still pwned the heierarchy, simply because of the IG's raw power.




Utau and Reed himself agreed that he couldn't control the Gauntlet, that with it he would destroy everything.... So he separated it.



See?

Reed can comprehend and fully control a lesser weapon

But Reed CANNOT comprehend nor fully control a more powerful weapon



smile

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yet, Thanos said any dumbwitted idiot could understand the IG after a while of using it. So which is it? Is reed actually Dumber than say Nebula?

It's not about intelligence,

it's about WILL.

Considering that Nebula is a Titan and she's related to Thanos,

I wouldn't be surprised if atleast her WILL is above Reed's.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
laughing



Regardless,

Quasar has travelled the Cosmos far more than Reed,

Quasar has actually travelled OUTSIDE of the Prime Multiverse into another Multiverse.

Quasar has a better understanding of the Cosmos than Reed.



Quasar, should be able to handle the UN in a more effective manner than Reed,

cause the UN is all about being able to visualize the area your Nullifying, by definition, Quasar rules in this department, Quasar has dealt with and experience the Cosmos in a more intimate fashion than Reed.

He should be. According to whom? Was it not Reed's intelligence that pwned the abstracts including the LT?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Galan007
Have you even read the IG arcs?

Nebula couldn't comprehend the IG, yet she still pwned the heierarchy, simply because of the IG's raw power.




Utau and Reed himself agreed that he couldn't control the Gauntlet, that with it he would destroy everything.... So he separated it.



See?

Reed can comprehend and fully control a lesser weapon

But Reed CANNOT comprehend nor fully control a more powerful weapon



smile

actually The UN isn't a lessor weapon. it's less complicated. A snipers rifle is much harder to use and be less effective than a cannon. A connon is far less complicated And yet a cannon causes much much more dmg. Nice try tho.

Galan007
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
actually The UN isn't a lessor weapon. it's less complicated. Riiiight, because it's not like Reed had to think about resetting the Multiverse with it or anything. roll eyes (sarcastic)





Anyhow,


The Watcher Uatu pleads with Reed Richards to separate the IG...


"Man was not meant to wield this kind of power, it's beyond your understanding"
(Uatu is saying this to the same guy that used the UN to destroy/recreate the Multiverse).

"You will destroy EVERYTHING":
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/2613/ig1go7.th.jpg



You didn't see Uatu telling Reed that he shouldn't use the UN because it was beyond his understanding, now did you? no




IG > UN




This is apparent to all but one. confused

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Galan007
Riiiight, because it's not like Reed had to think about resetting the Multiverse with it or anything. roll eyes (sarcastic)





Anyhow,


The Watcher Uatu pleads with Reed Richards to separate the IG...


"Man was not meant to wield this kind of power, it's beyond your understanding"
(Uatu is saying this to the same guy that used the UN to destroy/recreate the Multiverse).

"You will destroy EVERYTHING":
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/2613/ig1go7.th.jpg



You didn't see Uatu telling Reed that he shouldn't use the UN because it was beyond his understanding, now did you? no




IG > UN




This is apparent to all but one. confused

Seems like he is saying Man as in Mankind was not meant to understand it's power. he was generalizing and taking it out on Reed. sorry I'm not buying it. And we all know that the IG is much more versatile. I have said this many times. It's still not more powerful. Unless you can SHOW ME the ig Stopping the UN after it has been established that the UN was multiversal in scope. And then I'd have to see someone try to unmake the Multiverse with the UN adn be stopped by the IG.

Galan007
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Seems like he is saying Man as in Mankind was not meant to understand it's power. he was generalizing and taking it out on Reed. sorry I'm not buying it. Digging deep, ey? erm




And FYI,

Utau also uses the words "you" and "your", referring solely to Reed. doped

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He should be. According to whom?

I dunno,

an entire Quasar series that spans about 60 issues perhaps. confused

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Was it not Reed's intelligence that pwned the abstracts including the LT?

Nah,

it was the LT's power combined with the Cosmics that pawned the LT and Cosmics.


What Reed did was a fluke,

he shot the canon into a concentration of power being expelled by the LT and Cosmics.

Then with the LT and Cosmics unleashing their power coupled with Reed's Canon, a feedback was caused that blew the the LT and Cosmics into other Universes.


Essentially they pawned themselves. smile

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Galan007
Digging deep, ey? erm




And FYI,

Utau also uses the words "you" and "your", referring solely to Reed. doped

You and Your and also plurals for Man. Nice try.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Seems like he is saying Man as in Mankind was not meant to understand it's power.

he was generalizing and taking it out on Reed. sorry I'm not buying it.

This utter intransigent bullshit ...

sorry, I had to say it.

Galan007
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You and Your and also plurals for Man. Nice try. Good God.


Look at the context in which those words are used bud:
The constant attempt to dig out of these holes that you yourself have dug is getting very annoying.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Seems like he is saying Man as in Mankind was not meant to understand it's power.

he was generalizing and taking it out on Reed. sorry I'm not buying it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Stawman:

1. Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.
2. Quote an opponent's words out of context -- i.e., choose quotations that are not representative of the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy).
3. Present someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, refute that person's arguments, and pretend that every upholder of that position, and thus the position itself, has been defeated.
4. Invent a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs that are criticized, and pretend that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
5. Oversimplify a person's argument into a simple analogy, which can then be attacked.


Paranoid Schizophrenia:

Confusion
Inability to make decisions
Hallucinations
Changes in eating or sleeping habits, energy level, or weight
Delusions
Nervousness
Strange statements or behavior
Withdrawal from friends, work, or school
Neglect of personal hygiene
Anger
Indifference to the opinions of others
A tendency to argue
A conviction that you are better than others, or that people are out to get you

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nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Galan007
Good God.


Look at the context in which those words are used bud:
The constant attempt to dig out of these holes that you yourself have dug is getting very annoying.

And yet we here on the forum always say words alone do not matter. Reed was shown doing nothing with the IG, while he was shown rewritting the multiverse with the UN. There is no panel evidence of what he could have done with the IG. As far as I'm concerned since the Un is the same no matter who uses it and for what purpose, The Godwave wins this thread in WONDER WOMAN"S hands since it's the same Godwave.

Galan007
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yet we here on the forum always say words alone do not matter. Reed was shown doing nothing with the IG, while he was shown rewritting the multiverse with the UN. There is no panel evidence of what he could have done with the IG. This has gotten ridiculous. ermm

guy222
Originally posted by Galan007
This has gotten ridiculous. ermm

I knew it would end like this

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Galan007
This has gotten ridiculous. ermm

I agree. It's the same freaking Godwave. WW should win this.

Galan007
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I agree. thumb up

the Darkone
MJJ has been hit by Celestail Nullifier and survived it, if you look at it HOTU>>Celestail Nullifier>>> IG>>>incomplete IG>>>>ultimate Nullifier> Cosmic Cube.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by the Darkone
MJJ has been hit by Celestail Nullifier and survived it

The only Jaspers to be hit by the CN was killed by it.

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