Jaime Braddock vs Extant

Mr Master

Originally posted by Galan007
It wouldn't matter if he did...

Extant would know whatever it was he planned, and he would have eternity to prepare for it.

I don't think time travel works on guys like Jaspers and Jamie.

Or else Roma and Merlyn would've used those tactics.

Roma and Merlyn control Time completely, it didn't help them.

If Extant can defeat Jaspers or Jamie,

it's not through "time travel" imo.

Galan007

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't think time travel works on guys like Jaspers and Jamie.

Or else Roma and Merlyn would've used those tactics.

Roma and Merlyn control Time completely, it didn't help them.

If Extant can defeat Jaspers or Jamie,

it's not through "time travel" imo. A statement was made that Jamie /w/ prep has the potential to take this.

But what good would prep do, when you're facing an omniscient opponent?

That's all I was saying. smile

You say that time alteration, would have no effect on Jamie?

Unless he has no beginning to manipulate, .... In a forum battle, he could easily be manipulated that way.

But there are other many other options available for Extant, then just altering someone's past. smile

Mr Master

Originally posted by Galan007
A statement was made that Jamie /w/ prep has the potential to take this.

But what good would prep do, when you're facing an omniscient opponent?

That's all I was saying. smile

Cool

Originally posted by Galan007
You say that time alteration, would have no effect on Jamie?

Unless he has no beginning to manipulate, .... In a forum battle, he could easily be manipulated that way.

But there are other many other options available for Extant, then just altering someone's past.

Jamie is full of surprises too.

Jamie can create Universes from scratch aswell, and control everything in it.

Jamie can make copies of himself, with his powers and control those copies from Universes away.

Jamie has been manipulating events across the Omniverse it seems according to his bio.

Jamie either resurrected Jaspers 616 or merged him with the Fury, the Chaos Wave gets credit for one those.

Jamie warped the White Hot Room like nothing,

the WHT is a freakin Nexus of Realities (a Dimension that connects countless Universes)

Jamie is one of the most powerful beings in all of Marvel right now.

Galan007

Originally posted by Mr Master
Jamie is full of surprises too.

Jamie can create Universes from scrath aswell, and control everything in it.

Jamie can make copies of himself, with his powers and control those copies from Universes away.

Jamie has been manipulating events across the Omniverse it seems according to his bio.

Jamie either resurrected Jaspers 616 or merged him with the Fury, the Chaos Wave gets credit for one those.

Jamie warped the White Hot Room like nothing,

The WHT is a freakin Nexus of Realities (a Dimension that connects countless Universes)

Jamie is one of the most powerful beings in all Marvel right now. CE has pretty much done all of those things in DC...

But to my knowledge, Jamie still has a past which CE can exploit.

Mr Master

Originally posted by Galan007
CE has pretty much done all of those things in DC...

But to my knowledge, Jamie still has a past which CE can exploit.

Then it's a stalemate IMO.

Because according to what I know about Jamie,

Time travel attacks don't work.

Warping the WHR is overlooked because of how nonchalantly Jamie did it,

but it's connected to countless Universes, in fact,

it's one of the Nexus connected to all the Universes in the Prime Multiverse atleast:

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3728/wyz2.th.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/981/r1qs3.th.jpg

How do you think Ereshkigal was going to collapse the Multiverse all at once?

Through a Nexus of Realities in that Starbrand arc in Quasar #50 I believe.

Galan007

Originally posted by Mr Master
Then it's a stalemate IMO.

Because according to what I know about Jamie,

Time travel attacks don't work. How so?

Does he not have a past?

Mr Master

Originally posted by Galan007
How so?

Does he not have a past?

That's a Time travel based attack,

it wouldn't work on some one who controls all the Reality around them for a significant distance, Jamie Warped the WHR, that means he has Multiversal control of Reality.

Here is Roma (not Matrix empowered like Merlyn) with a Cap. Brit. would be successor

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2444/romarevive1xr7.th.jpg

Roma plucks her husband (who was Dead) from the Past: (before he died)

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9536/romarevive2od8.th.jpg

And brings him to the Present (Alive) with a gesture:

If this worked on Jamie or Jaspers,

Roma and Merlyn (who have dealt with these two)
would've used time travel from the begining.

Galan007

Originally posted by Mr Master
Roma and Merlyn (who have dealt with these two)
would've used time travel from the begining. She never tried,

Thus we don't know either way whether or not it would work...

And unless Jamie has some solid time manip feats, it's plausible that Extant could attack his past imo.

Mr Master

Originally posted by Galan007
She never tried,

Thus we don't know either way whether or not it would work...

As you wish.

Originally posted by Galan007
And unless Jamie has some solid time manip feats, it's plausible that Extant could attack his past imo.

So you don't consider manipulating the WHR as a Time feat?

Nexus' are connected to the Future, Past and Present Timelines of all Realities within said Nexus.

So when Jamie warped the WHR,

he warped a Dimension that connects all the Universes in the Multiverse.

Again.

Ereshkigal was going to collapse the Multiverse, through a Nexus in Quasar#50,

the LT had to interfere.

You can affect the entire Multiverse through a Nexus.

Galan007

Originally posted by Mr Master
So you don't consider manipulating the WHR as a Time feat?

Nexus' are connected to the Future, Past and Present Timelines of all Realities within said Nexus.

So when Jamie warped the WHR,

he warped a Dimension that connects all the Universes in the Multiverse. Unless he warped past events through the WHR, then it's not a solid time feat imo.

Mr Master

Originally posted by Galan007
Unless he warped past events through the WHR, then it's not a solid time feat imo.

The Nexus is connected to the PAST, Present and Future of every Reality, in order for you to affect the Past, you must travel back in time to a different Reality,

for example one of the Past Realities of the 616 Universe,

is Reality/Universe 4321 (Akhenaten's TImeline) 1331

If the Nexus encompasses the Past, Present and Future of all the Realities in the Multiverse, then by definition you can travel to the Past, Present or Future of any Reality, thus if you can manipulate a Nexus, you can control the Past, Present and Future of any Reality.

And this would give you control over Time, aswell as Space.

Which is why Ereshkigal was going to destroy the Multiverse through a Nexus before LT interfered.

Galan007

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Nexus is connected to the PAST, Present and Future of every Reality, in order for you to affect the Past, you must travel back in time to a different Reality,

for example one of the Past Realities of the 616 Universe,

is Reality/Universe 4321 (Akhenaten's TImeline) 1331

If the Nexus encompasses the Past, Present and Future of all the Realities in the Multiverse, then by definition you can travel to the Past, Present or Future of any Reality, thus if you can manipulate a Nexus, you can control the Past, Present and Future of any Reality.

And this would give you control over Time, aswell as Space.

Which is why Ereshkigal was going to destroy the Multiverse through a Nexus before LT interfered. Show me proof that Jamie himself has manipulated the past.

Mr Master

Originally posted by Galan007
Show me proof that Jamie himself has manipulated the past.

Rachel lloking at Past selves of her mom:

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/2512/j1ma3.th.jpg

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/3619/j2hw6.th.jpg

Jamie Braddock with total control of the WHR (a Nexus of Realities)

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4193/j3cw1.th.jpg

Jamie just turned a Nexus of Realities into some crystal like object.

Again, and you're ignoring this,

Ereshkigal was going to destroy the Multiverse through the Quasar Nexus.

The Goblin Queen was going to destroy the Omniverse through the Havok Nexus.

This is why Havok is uber rediculous, because he is the Nexus of All Realities now.

If Jamie can warp that Nexus, then Jamie has power over those UniverseS that Nexus encompasses, Past, Present and Future.

Galan007

Originally posted by Mr Master
Rachel lloking at Past selves of her mom:

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/2512/j1ma3.th.jpg

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/3619/j2hw6.th.jpg

Jamie Braddock with total control of the WHR (a Nexus of Realities)

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4193/j3cw1.th.jpg

Jamie just turned a Nexus of Realities into some crystal like object.

Again, and you're ignoring this,

Ereshkigal was going to destroy the Multiverse through the Quasar Nexus.

The Goblin Queen was going to destroy the Omniverse through the Havok Nexus.

This is why Havok is uber rediculous, because he is the Nexus of All Realities now.

If Jamie can warp that Nexus, then Jamie has power over those UniverseS that Nexus encompasses, Past, Present and Future. All I see are your claims that Jamie should be able to, or can alter the past.

What I don't see is anything on panel telling/showing me this.

Extant has solid time manip feats..... From what I've seen, Jamie doesn't.

Mr Master

Originally posted by Galan007
All I see are your claims that Jamie should be able to, or can alter the past.

What I don't see is anything on panel telling/showing me this.

Extant has solid time manip feats..... From what I've seen, Jamie doesn't.

I just showed you Jamie Warping a Nexus of Realities,

One last time and I'm done,

A Nexus of Realities is connected to ALL the TIMELINES if every Reality.

Timelines are the Past, Present and Future of Realities,
which in tern become Realities unto themselves.

If you can Warp/Control a Nexus like Jamie did,
then you can Warp/Control ALL the Realities and Timelines tied to that Nexus.

This is how and why the Goblin Queen was going to destroy the Omniverse:

"The Beyonder Walks amongst us ... He will Destroy Everything"
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8285/beot5.th.jpg
"The MultiverseS ... the Past ..the Present ... the Yet to Be ... will ALL be Destroyed"

Through a Nexus

I think I cleared it up now. smile

Galan007

Originally posted by Mr Master
I just showed you Jamie Warping a Nexus of Realities,

One last time and I'm done,

A Nexus of Realities is connected to ALL the TIMELINES if every Reality.

Timelines are the Past, Present and Future of Realities,
which in tern become Realities unto themselves.

If you can Warp/Control a Nexus like Jamie did,
then you can Warp/Control ALL the Realities and Timelines tied to that Nexus.

This is how and why the Goblin Queen was going to destroy the Omniverse:

"The Beyonder Walks amongst us ... He will Destroy Everything"
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8285/beot5.th.jpg
"The MultiverseS ... the Past ..the Present ... the Yet to Be ... will ALL be Destroyed"

Through a Nexus.

I think I cleared it up now. smile

This reminds me of Superboy Prime.

Did you know he was actually able to retcon events through physical force?

Do you know how he accomplished this?

Because he was in a place where the walls of reality could be punched, and through physical force he broke them down, thus altering reality in DC.

It's not just like SBP could throw punches into thin air and cause retcons whenever he wished lol.

Seems like Jamie is in the same boat...

IF in fact Jamie did alter time, it seems that it's mainly because he was in a place where this could be directly accomplished, .

Do you have anything to suggest that Jamie can alter time outside of a Nexus point between all realities?

Mr Master

This clarifies it:

This is the ultimate Nexus, the Nexus of All Realities (Omniverse)

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/513/h2cj6.th.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/4895/h3yo8.th.jpg

"The Nexus of Realities is not just a place ... it is a Force of Nature ...

the Fabric of that which binds ALL Reality together ...

the Nexus transported itself to your body"

The one Jamie Warped is a Multiversal Nexus,

but they deliver the same effect,

control the Nexus, control Reality in all it's forms, Past, Present and Future.

nvrbeenwthagirl

Galan007

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
UM I hate to correct. SBP actually could retcon with just his fist. He did it to beast boy in the titans book. I'm talking about his larger scale retcons..... For this he needed to be in a place where reality itself could be punched.

Mr Master

Originally posted by Galan007
This reminds me of Superboy Prime.

Did you know he was actually able to retcon events through physical force?

Do you know how he accomplished this?

Because he was in a place where the walls of reality could be punched, and through physical force, he broke them down, thus altering the DC reality.

It's not just like SBP could throw punches into thin air and cause retcons lol.

Seems that IF Jamie did alter time, it was mainly because he was in a place where this could be directly accomplished, .

I disagree.

What Jamie did is far beyond dimension hoping or breaking walls between dimensions.

Jamie Warped that entire Dimension that spans and connects the Multiverse.

Never been done before, well actually Havok became One with the Nexus of All Realities,

Havok is a God now, he can sunder the Omniverse with a thought.

Originally posted by Galan007
Do you have anything to suggest that Jamie can alter time outside of a Nexus point between all realities?

He's created UniverseS before,

he would have to be able to create the Concept of Time amongst other things.

This is why Time based attacks are meaningless,

Jamie can create the Concept of Time itself. smile

Galan007

Originally posted by Mr Master
He's created UniverseS before,

he would have to be able to create the Concept of Time amongst other things.

This is why Time based attacks are meaningless,

Jamie can create the Concept of Time itself. smile

Creating a new Universe wouldn't require you to be able to manipulate the past. confused

Mr Master

Originally posted by Galan007
Creating a new Universe wouldn't require you to be able to manipulate the past.

So a being that can create the Concept of Time,

can't time travel? confused

nvrbeenwthagirl

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm talking about his larger scale retcons..... For this he needed to be in a place where reality itself could be punched.
Yeah. Of course you can't retcon a galaxy with apunch.

nvrbeenwthagirl

Originally posted by Mr Master
So a being that can create the Concept of Time,

can't time travel? confused

Who says that a universe has to have time in it?

Galan007

Originally posted by Mr Master
So a being that can create the Concept of Time,

can't time travel? confused

You would only be "creating" time if you made a Universe in a place where there was formerly no time to speak of...

And even then, time would only be "created" from the present, and would move forward accordingly.

This doesn't really equate to past-tense time alteration.

Mr Master

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Who says that a universe has to have time in it?

The one Jamie created specifically,

had Time. smile

Mr Master

Originally posted by Galan007
You would only be "creating" time if you made a Universe in a place where there was formerly no time to speak of...

?

Jamie created that Universe and everything in it, from scratch,

Originally posted by Galan007
And even then, time would only be "created" from the present, and would move forward accordingly.

This doesn't really equate to past-tense time alteration.

roll eyes (sarcastic)

I think we'll stop here.

Jamie can Warp a Nexus of Realities, (All the Timelines in the Multiverse, Past, Present, Future)

Jamie creates UniverseS with the Concept of Time from scratch,

Jamie controls the quantum strings that make everything up,
in the Physical, Subconcious and Astral Planes.

Jamie possibly resurrected one of the mighiest beings in the Omniverse (Japsers 616)

But he probably can't do what Bishop can. oooh

Galan007

Originally posted by Mr Master
I think we'll stop here.

Jamie can Warp a Nexus of Realities, (All the Timelines in the Multiverse, Past, Present, Future)

Jamie creates UniverseS with the Concept of Time from scratch,

Jamie controls the quantum strings that make everything up,
in the Physical, Subconcious and Astral Planes. This really doesn't mean much.

Unless I see a scan, or even a mention of Jamie altering past events,

I won't just assume he can, simply because you think it's in his power-set to do so. erm

And again,

Show me evidence of Jamie altering time outside of a friggin reality junction point. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Mr Master

Originally posted by Galan007
Unless I see a scan, or even a mention of Jamie altering past events,

I won't just assume he can, simply because you think it's in his power-set to do so.

I don't think he can, I know he can.

I'll post the scan, then move on,

it doesn't seem like this Extant can do anything else but time travel,

with that out of picture, this goes nowhere quick.

Originally posted by Galan007
Show me evidence of Jamie altering time outside of a friggin reality junction point.

I see your confusion,

you think that anyone that steps into a Nexus can alter the Reality within?

Jamie did it, because Jamie has the Power to do so, not because he was in the Nexus.

Galan007

Originally posted by Mr Master
it doesn't seem like this Extant can do anything else but time travel Is that a joke? Because it was pretty funny.. laughing

Everything you described Jamie doing, Extant has done as well.

I was simply debating one advantage I feel Extant may have over Jamie... smile

Originally posted by Mr Master
you think that anyone that steps into a Nexus can alter the Reality within?

Jamie did it, because Jamis has the Power to do so, not because he was in the Nexus. Yet Jamie has never altered past events in the "real world", .. hmm

Ohh well, moving on...

For arguments sake, I'll call this a stalemate. smile

Mr Master

Originally posted by Galan007
Everything you described Jamie doing, Extant has done as well.

I was simply debating one advantage I feel Extant may have over Jamie...

I was talking about what he can do to Jamie,

or so you thought he can do. smile

Originally posted by Galan007
Yet Jamie has never altered past events in the "real world", ..

dontgetit

Jamie visits the Past (his old home) sees the lady that raised him,

she's died since, Jamie didn't like that, so he "brought her back"

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7757/j1in6.th.jpg
"Kind soul she Was ... didn't like coming back to discover she'd Died"

"Nasty twist for a dream to take, so he Fixed it

and brought her Back"

Control over the stuff that makes up Reality:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4448/j2bu6.th.jpg

"The Networks of Matter and Energy that make up the Universe,

Jamie can not only perceive them,

he can rip the patterns apart, tie em in knots, twist em, tangle em, tear em,

Reweave what Was ... into something altogether different"

Originally posted by Galan007
For arguments sake, I'll call this a stalemate.

Nothing else to call it,

Extant can't hurt Jamie, and Jamie can't hurt Extant.

I have more Time travel feats, after flipping some pages I just noticed what a joke that is for Jamie to accomplish, I must admit, I didin't know it was so easy for him.

Then again, I should've known, after all,
the guy can't create the Concept of Time from scratch.

That was enough to logically asses that Jamie controls Time travel, but some of us don't give in that easy, do we now brother G? But now we must ey?