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Who Wins?

Originally posted by Rufus T Firefly
Who Wins?

supes

Orion.

Well, this is original... none180

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Well, this is original... none180

Agreed.

superman wins.

i spent 20 minutes argueing this over with trick, seeing what the majority says

Orion is way, way more powerful, probably stronger, has a Lobo-like healing factor and can be more durable. Superman's punches won't do much because of Orion's shield, healing and already superman-eaque durability, Superman's heat vision won't work because Orion can absorb any type of energy with either his harness or MB. His AF can alter reality a bit as well.

Also, his mother-box can create kryptonite radiation, create illusions, manipulate time and can mess with Superman's mind. He's fast enough to react to anything Superman can do, so blitzing is out.
Orion can one shot Superman, Superman can't one shot Orion. Also, the AF is magic, so Superman is indeed vulnerable to its affects.

Not that it wouldn't be a hard fight, but Orion wins 7/10.

As for their previous fights, Orion admitted that a full AF blast would kill Superman, so he held back. Even holding back he managed to stalemate Superman while still only using less than 1% of his powerset.

Originally posted by long pig
Orion is way, way more powerful, probably stronger, has a Lobo-like healing factor and can be more durable. Superman's punches won't do much because of Orion's shield, healing and already superman-eaque durability, Superman's heat vision won't work because Orion can absorb any type of energy with either his harness or MB. His AF can alter reality a bit as well.

Also, his mother-box can create kryptonite radiation, create illusions, manipulate time and can mess with Superman's mind. He's fast enough to react to anything Superman can do, so blitzing is out.
Orion can one shot Superman, Superman can't one shot Orion. Also, the AF is magic, so Superman is indeed vulnerable to its affects.

Not that it wouldn't be a hard fight, but Orion wins 7/10.

As for their previous fights, Orion admitted that a full AF blast would kill Superman, so he held back. Even holding back he managed to stalemate Superman while still only using less than 1% of his powerset. have u ever seen superman beat darkseid up, becuz to my knowledge even though orion will kill darkseid in the end darkseid is stil greater than orion. superman wins this 7 outta 10.

wow i did not think Orion was that powerful.

so i guess when surfer beat Orion it was a good showing

Originally posted by quanchi112
have u ever seen superman beat darkseid up, becuz to my knowledge even though orion will kill darkseid in the end darkseid is stil greater than orion. superman wins this 7 outta 10.

Gasp. It's all I can say. You are the worst when it comes to the new Gods. you know nothing. do you remember when the star conqueror took over earth? Superman's MIGHTIEST blows wouldn't even make it flinch. Orion was the only one who could hurt it on the JLA. Now just stop please.

Originally posted by lionking
wow i did not think Orion was that powerful.

so i guess when surfer beat Orion it was a good showing

That was a mess. NO mother box and no AF fired either.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Gasp. It's all I can say. You are the worst when it comes to the new Gods. you know nothing. do you remember when the star conqueror took over earth? Superman's MIGHTIEST blows wouldn't even make it flinch. Orion was the only one who could hurt it on the JLA. Now just stop please. i remember when superman beat the crap outta darkseid. multiple times. superman pissed of beats down his son worse than when he beat down orions father. superman 7 outta 10 times.

Originally posted by quanchi112
i remember when superman beat the crap outta darkseid. multiple times. superman pissed of beats down his son worse than when he beat down orions father. superman 7 outta 10 times.


dude...a non jobbing..well written Orion could probably **** Thanos up.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
dude...a non jobbing..well written Orion could probably **** Thanos up. not a chance. orion couldnt hang with silver surfer...silver surfer is thanos's *****...jus becuz orion is slated to kill darkseid one day doesnt mean he could do shit to thanos

Originally posted by quanchi112
have u ever seen superman beat darkseid up, becuz to my knowledge even though orion will kill darkseid in the end darkseid is stil greater than orion. superman wins this 7 outta 10.

ABC logic = fail

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
ABC logic = fail superman is twice as successful as orion and done more than he can ever dream of. superman wins. he wins a majority easily.

Originally posted by quanchi112
superman is twice as successful as orion and done more than he can ever dream of. superman wins. he wins a majority easily.

But when we look at the character's ability to fight we get a better result.

Originally posted by quanchi112
not a chance. orion couldnt hang with silver surfer...silver surfer is thanos's *****...jus becuz orion is slated to kill darkseid one day doesnt mean he could do shit to thanos


doesn't mean Thanos can do shit to Orion either. AF for the win

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But when we look at the character's ability to fight we get a better result. yes supermans a badass in dc. there is no question about that. we look at powers and character history to determine what they are capabale of. we dont jus look at powersets. we look at everything. supes for the vast majority!!!!!

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
doesn't mean Thanos can do shit to Orion either. AF for the win thanos would snap him in hlaf. prion couldnt hang with odin or tyrant. he would get one shotted. thanos would utterly demolish him. anywas thats nbot the thread supes for the win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
thanos would snap him in hlaf. prion couldnt hang with odin or tyrant. he would get one shotted. thanos would utterly demolish him. anywas thats nbot the thread supes for the win.

A full blown AF blast could one shot Thanos and Superman

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
A full blown AF blast could one shot Thanos and Superman thanos could deter the astro force and the oemga effect. hell superman just uses his heat vision on the omeag effect. not as powerful as previously thought of.

Thanos will not deflect or deter the AF.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
A full blown AF blast could one shot Thanos and Superman Good thing CIS in in effect...

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Thanos will not deflect or deter the AF. which is superior in ur mind the omega effect or the astro force?

OE

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
OE did superman stop the oe in apokolips now with heat vision? so yes thanos easily stops the lesser weaker astro force.

Originally posted by quanchi112
did superman stop the oe in apokolips now with heat vision? so yes thanos easily stops the lesser weaker astro force.


you don't know if Thanos can stop it. I don't think he could.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
you don't know if Thanos can stop it. I don't think he could. yeah heat vision is one of the most powerful things in all the comic universes. that stopped it.

it hasn't always stopped it. If Drax can punch through Thanos' chest...then, Thanos is goin' down to the OE.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
it hasn't always stopped it. If Drax can punch through Thanos' chest...then, Thanos is goin' down to the OE. drax was changed up for the story and was made to kill thanos. supermans heat vision wasnt made to stop darkseids omega effect but it did. plus drax cheapshotted him while supes didnt cheapshot ds. it was a fair fight in which darkseid got whomped on.

Originally posted by quanchi112
drax was changed up for the story and was made to kill thanos. supermans heat vision wasnt made to stop darkseids omega effect but it did. plus drax cheapshotted him while supes didnt cheapshot ds. it was a fair fight in which darkseid got whomped on.


cheapshot or not...Thanos goes down to the OE.

Why is it that some kind of Thanos vs. Darkseid debate must make an appearance in every thread?

Originally posted by Deathstroke
Why is it that some kind of Thanos vs. Darkseid debate must make an appearance in every thread? Because a certain troll, allows such to happen.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
dude...a non jobbing..well written Orion could probably **** Thanos up. look i didnt bring thanos up first.

Originally posted by quanchi112
have u ever seen superman beat darkseid up, becuz to my knowledge even though orion will kill darkseid in the end darkseid is stil greater than orion. superman wins this 7 outta 10.
Orion has beaten Darksied before, twice I think (in the source wall and he then escaped the source wall) and he did it legitimately, unlike Superman who did it a comic where 99.9999999% of people who read comics consider it a non-canon jerkfest.


Originally posted by lionking
wow i did not think Orion was that powerful.

so i guess when surfer beat Orion it was a good showing
Orion didn't use a single one of his powers. He went at Surfer like Hulk goes at Surfer, and unless you're Thanos(who goes at Surfer like Hulk, h2hing him and always wins somehow), going at Surfer like Hulk will get you obliterated. But, I don't think he'd beat Surfer the majority, but he'd put up one hell of a fight. Much better a fight than Superman would ever be able to give.

Originally posted by quanchi112
which is superior in ur mind the omega effect or the astro force?
DS said himself that the AF has superior or at least equal destructive power. He once made a remark where he said that "Although Orion is supposed to be the "hero", I find it odd that his weapon for "good" can only destroy anything it touches.".

superman has beaten far more impressive beings than orion. supes still takes this 70 percent of the time.

Superman is D.C's biggest seller and D.C's writer's favorite character, so of course he'd be shown doing obscenely stupid things and given an obscene benefits of doubt. Marvel is the same with Wolverine but no one considers all his feats as the truth because his powers don't say he can take a Nuke and in KMC, there is no PIS or fanboy writers.


The irrefutable fact is Orion is, by far, the more powerful, the better fighter and the more versitile of the two.

Originally posted by long pig
Superman is D.C's biggest seller and D.C's writer's favorite character, so of course he'd be shown doing obscenely stupid things and given an obscene benefits of doubt. Marvel is the same with Wolverine but no one considers all his feats as the truth because his powers don't say he can take a Nuke and in KMC, there is no PIS or fanboy writers.


The irrefutable fact is Orion is, by far, the more powerful, the better fighter and the more versitile of the two. THANK YOU. I've been telling him that, forever.

I mean, technically, he's even stronger than Superman....by lightyears if we go by shown/implied post/pre crisis strength feats.

so supermans whole history doesnt count becuz hes dc main character. i think not. that makes no sense. supes would bloody him up so bad no mother box could fix him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
so supermans whole history doesnt count becuz hes dc main character. i think not. that makes no sense. supes would bloody him up so bad no mother box could fix him. No, when Superman does something, BEYOND his powerset, then it's bullshit, that doesn't translate, to Kmc.

Originally posted by starking
No, when Superman does something, BEYOND his powerset, then it's bullshit, that doesn't translate, to Kmc. superman is one badass. he beat darkseid down and went toe to oe and blow for blow with doomsday. supes is a badass and there is no denying that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
superman is one badass. he beat darkseid down and went toe to oe and blow for blow with doomsday. supes is a badass and there is no denying that. Then he could defeat Thanos

Originally posted by starking
Then he could defeat Thanos why do u keep bringing up thanos
enough that isnt the thread. thanos would crush superman. superman would beat down orion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
so supermans whole history doesnt count becuz hes dc main character. i think not. that makes no sense. supes would bloody him up so bad no mother box could fix him.
Most of his feats are fine, but it's when fanboy writers get a hold of him and make him out to be a god..that's when feats get dismissed.

Superman beating DS in Superman/Batman= Dismissed. Just like how Batman, in the same comic, beat Grundy & Shiva both at once by h2h fighting them is dismissed.

Superman beating anyone under high herald level power is acceptable. Beating a skyfather like DS is unacceptable.

Orion's powers boarder on the skyfather level, his blasts most definitely are skyfather level in destructive power. Do you realize Orion, after unleashing the full power of the AF, matched the power of a universe-destroying blast?

Superman Murders Orion,don't listen to LP's rants.
Orion is second tier AF or no AF.

What does AF stand for? Oh, shit. AllFather

Nevermind, thanks..

Originally posted by Skeets
Superman Murders Orion,don't listen to LP's rants.
Orion is second tier AF or no AF.
You say "AF or no AF" like there ever was a time he didn't have the AF. It shows the lack of knowledge you have of the character.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
What does AF stand for? Oh, shit. AllFather

Nevermind, thanks..
AllFather wouldn't make any sense, so he must of meant astro force.

Originally posted by long pig
AllFather wouldn't make any sense, so he must of meant astro force. Aw man. I was even wrong with my assumtion

Originally posted by long pig
Most of his feats are fine, but it's when fanboy writers get a hold of him and make him out to be a god..that's when feats get dismissed.

Superman beating DS in Superman/Batman= Dismissed. Just like how Batman, in the same comic, beat Grundy & Shiva both at once by h2h fighting them is dismissed.

Superman beating anyone under high herald level power is acceptable. Beating a skyfather like DS is unacceptable.

Orion's powers boarder on the skyfather level, his blasts most definitely are skyfather level in destructive power. Do you realize Orion, after unleashing the full power of the AF, matched the power of a universe-destroying blast? no i say ur wrong...superman in apokoilps now beat down ds and rightfully so he was more motivated and his back was agaisnt the wall. supes with his back against the wall is capable of amazing things. ds lost to him more than once...it stands it counts.

Originally posted by long pig
I mean, technically, he's even stronger than Superman....by lightyears if we go by shown/implied post/pre crisis strength feats. Can you give one lifting feat to support this?

supes for the win...still

Superman wins IMO

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Can you give one lifting feat to support this? im sure he cant

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Can you give one lifting feat to support this?

Orion tore himself out of the Source Wall, Superman didn't?

Aside from that, they've never presented Superman as explicitly stronger/weaker than Orion.

I'd say the alien likely is, since strength is his trademark, but i doubt it's by a significant degree.

And Orion can win a majority, but in a comic likely wouldn't win a head on fight.

Aside from Darky, the NG just don't get love like that. They're better off than the Eternals over in Marvel, but still not a list.

Right now, Superman has a major push driving him(taking down Despy and BlackRock), and Orion is getting handled by Firestorm.

Just two different degrees of respect from the writers.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Orion tore himself out of the Source Wall, Superman didn't?

Aside from that, they've never presented Superman as explicitly stronger/weaker than Orion.

I'd say the alien likely is, since strength is his trademark, but i doubt it's by a significant degree.

And Orion can win a majority, but in a comic likely wouldn't win a head on fight.

Aside from Darky, the NG just don't get love like that. They're better off than the Eternals over in Marvel, but still not a list.

Right now, Superman has a major push driving him(taking down Despy and BlackRock), and Orion is getting handled by Firestorm.

Just two different degrees of respect from the writers. I'm actually talking about a lifting feat, since Thanos needed one in order to prove he was in Superman's range, and here, Orion is stronger even though he doesn't have any really.

It was kind of a towards one member, to answer.

Plus... that wasn't a lifting feat.

superman has more fights in his favor and more feats in all regards than orion. he alos beaten the shit outta darkseid rather badly.

not as badly as you are making it out to be.

supes wins 7 of ten , i dont think he curbstomps him but he has the expereince and the guts to beat orion 7 of ten

no he doesn't imo. Orion is a much better fighter, is at least in supes range of strength, he's a better healer and therefore can take much more and is more versatile due to his harness and mother box. he wins 7-8/10

Originally posted by Superherovandal
no he doesn't imo. Orion is a much better fighter, is at least in supes range of strength, he's a better healer and therefore can take much more and is more versatile due to his harness and mother box. he wins 7-8/10 superman stopped the omega beams in their tracks then physically mauled darkseid. superman is just to much for old orion. how long would orion have lasted against doomsday alos. not long at all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
superman stopped the omega beams in their tracks then physically mauled darkseid. superman is just to much for old orion. how long would orion have lasted against doomsday alos. not long at all.

That feat of supes stopping the OE is massive PIS. And that entire issue is almost as bad.

Orion's AF has on-panel feats of nearly killing Supes at low power. He's going down.


And btw? Thanos would have had a hell of a time taking out Doomsday as well. Hell, Gog Wars Doomsday would mutilate Thanos.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That feat of supes stopping the OE is massive PIS. And that entire issue is almost as bad.

Orion's AF has on-panel feats of nearly killing Supes at low power. He's going down.


And btw? Thanos would have had a hell of a time taking out Doomsday as well. Hell, Gog Wars Doomsday would mutilate Thanos. u speculate alot dont u. when i used canon sources....superman beating ds down has happened so many times in a row. its canon anyways and ur not a writer so ur opinion as to what is canon and what isnt doesnt matter. thanos would beat any version of doomsday. but if u want to know what happens if darkseid runs into doomsday u dont have to specluate just read hunter and prey.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Can you give one lifting feat to support this?
Haha.

He has more than Thanos does, that's for sure. He shook the the entire world of apokalips with a two handed smash before.

Originally posted by long pig
Haha.

He has more than Thanos does, that's for sure. He shook the the entire world of apokalips with a two handed smash before. Is that a lifting feat?

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Is that a lifting feat?
It's....a reverse lifting feat......maybe...

You can't use the same tactic against me as I used against you. It's not fair and it hurts my feelings a little bit.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Is that a lifting feat? You don't lift with your fists? none180

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
You don't lift with your fists? none180 punching feat?

superman easily

I approve Quanchi recognizing Superman's above skyfather level.

heh.

Originally posted by Bentley
I approve Quanchi recognizing Superman's above skyfather level. Superman is an elite top tier who can go slightly above like most heroes such as Hulk, Thor, Black Adam.

Hey Long Pig do you have a scan of Orion supposedly shaking apokolips with a two handed punch?

Combat feats are all that really matter, and it's not about the number but the average. OF COURSE Superman is going to have a greater number of feats than a character who has 1/100th his appearances, most of which are guest.

He's got bigger feats than anyone he has ever been defeated by, to.

Superman wins.

Orion.

Orion is more powerful then superman and orion was beaten by the way silver surfer in that crossover by the way.

I miss that age of KMC. Tricky P still posted, Guy and Long Pig were still alive. Soljier and Sym posted. Carver didn't post much yet, and quite frankly, no one even heard of him. Quan debated comics. Redatom had his little team. Nvr was in his nvr persona and hadn't altered his personality yet. Just in this thread too. There were others outside it.

Maybe they're all back. Even Jakethebank. Truly, an Easter miracle.

Originally posted by mace11
Orion is more powerful then superman and orion was beaten by the way silver surfer in that crossover by the way.
Is he now?

Orion vs superman
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/orion-vs-superman-563484/



Originally posted by abhilegend
Is he now?

Yes he is.

Originally posted by mace11
Orion vs superman
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/orion-vs-superman-563484/





Yes he is.
Based on what?