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Fight on Earth.

If Thor starts on the ground he'll lose. If he starts in the air he can win.

Based on the way he ran circles around WW and Supes, I'd say Zoom more often than not.

Originally posted by Validus
Based on the way he ran circles around WW and Supes, I'd say Zoom more often than not.

And Batman. Don't forget Batman.

Zoom would zoom-a zoom-zoom in Thor's boom-boom.

**** that, Thor is gonna kick some ass since he's back.

zoom takes this 7/10

with the click of his fingers he can destroy buildings, he can circle the earth less than a second, his punched the f*ck outta ww all around the world

Originally posted by Priest
**** that, Thor is gonna kick some ass since he's back.

Ass that can take on WonderWoman, Superman, Batman and HalJordan at the same time?

Originally posted by Priest
**** that, Thor is gonna kick some ass since he's back.

But not Zoom's.

Originally posted by masterbruce
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Fight on Earth.

thor

Zoom is faster than most incarnations of the Flash. Thor's screwed. Even if he starts in the air, Zoom will nail him.

His chronokinesis makes him nigh-impossible to hit. In fact, in some ways, he's actually harder to hit than Flash. Flash is just moving fast, Zoom is manipulating time relative to himself.

Zoom def. takes this

Zoom.
But why is the picture of Flash?

Originally posted by Juntai
Zoom.
But why is the picture of Flash?

Because it was masterbruce who posted the picture.

Zoom 8/10.

Your hammer can't hit what your eyes can't see.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Your hammer can't hit what your eyes can't see.

This is where Thor supporters' brains usually short circuit.

Thor wins via Hammer throw to the dome piece...

The picture is Flash, not Zoom.

Thor against yet another speedster... who's next...Black flash?

Zoom ftw.

Originally posted by batdude123
This is where Thor supporters' brains usually short circuit.

Thor traps him in a vortex that shrinks until he's shreaded.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Thor traps him in a vortex that shrinks until he's shreaded.

Kandy, I highly doubt you actually believe that. doped

Zoom

Originally posted by Validus




Seriously though, am I right or am I right...

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Kandy, I highly doubt you actually believe that. doped
I totaly do! Why do you doubt me so?

Originally posted by King Kandy
I totaly do! Why do you doubt me so?

You said Sentry was skyfather. vin

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You said Sentry was skyfather. vin
Sub-Skyfather.

World of difference, man.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Thor traps him in a vortex that shrinks until he's shreaded.

Thor wouldn't get a chance to blink let alone pull something like this off.
Unless Zoom sits there and waits 10 years in his time reference for Thor to pull this off.
Since that is how long it would take Thor revative to Zoom's own time reference.

zoom

Originally posted by King Kandy
Sub-Skyfather.

World of difference, man.

True true. But SubSkyfather is a huge range.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Sub-Skyfather.

World of difference, man.

if you believe this, then Superman is sub-skyfather =/

Originally posted by rico777
if you believe this, then Superman is sub-skyfather =/

He is. Unless you want to say he's a skyfather

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He is. Unless you want to say he's a skyfather

An abstract at the very least

Earth 2 supes KO'ed zoom, nuff said.

Originally posted by superkronick92
Earth 2 supes KO'ed zoom, nuff said.

When?

And why would you compare Thor to a PC Kryptonian anyway?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
When?

And why would you compare Thor to a PC Kryptonian anyway?

Infinite Crisis #7.

Nonetheless, E2 Superman>>>>>>>Thor in terms of combat speed.

Originally posted by batdude123
Infinite Crisis #7.

Nonetheless, E2 Superman>>>>>>>Thor in terms of combat speed.

What did E2 Superman do, or are you refeering to the orginial crisis?

Originally posted by The Problem
What did E2 Superman do, or are you refeering to the orginial crisis?

Infinite Crisis.

Originally posted by batdude123
Infinite Crisis #7.

They basically turned every villain into canon fodder when the Supeses were there.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They basically turned every villain into canon fodder when the Supeses were there.

Do not question Geoff Johns' authoritah!

Besides, I really don't think it's that big of a deal considering he's fuggin' Pre-Crisis Superman.

Originally posted by batdude123
Infinite Crisis.

If I recall correctly, he displayed no feats of anomalous combat speed.

Originally posted by The Problem
If I recall correctly, he displayed no feats of anomalous combat speed.

Pre-Crisis Superman? I hope you realize that that's E2 Superman...

And @ the logic of "If Earth 2 Superman can hit Zoom, so can Thor."

That shit just cracks me up. crylaugh

Originally posted by batdude123
Do not question Geoff Johns' authoritah!

Besides, I really don't think it's that big of a deal considering he's fuggin' Pre-Crisis Superman.

He just hasn't impressed me much in the various Crises (which would be just about all I've seen of him)

Originally posted by batdude123
Pre-Crisis Superman? I hope you realize that that's E2 Superman...

And @ the logic of "If Earth 2 Superman can hit Zoom, so can Thor."

That shit just cracks me up. crylaugh

Yes, however this was a much older version of PC Superman. Assuming he was on the same lv as his younger self without it actually being displayed on panel is completely speculative.

Originally posted by The Problem
Yes, however this was a much older version of PC Superman. Assuming he was on the same lv as his younger self without it actually being displayed on panel is completely speculative.

I don't know what this has to do with anything. Read my edited post.

You're getting dangerously close to the point of no return fanboyism.

Originally posted by batdude123
I don't know what this has to do with anything. Read my edited post.

You're getting dangerously close to the point of no return fanboyism.

What are you talking about? I never said anything about Thor hitting Zoom, I actually said Zoom would be the victor of this bout. My problem was with assuming E2 Superman was at his orginal PC lvs.

Originally posted by The Problem
What are you talking about? I never said anything about Thor hitting Zoom, I actually said Zoom would be the victor of this bout. My problem was with assuming E2 Superman was at his orginal PC lvs.

So what the hell was this about?

Originally posted by batdude123
Infinite Crisis #7.

Nonetheless, E2 Superman>>>>>>>Thor in terms of combat speed.
Originally posted by The Problem
What did E2 Superman do, or are you refeering to the orginial crisis?
Originally posted by batdude123
Infinite Crisis.
Originally posted by The Problem
If I recall correctly, he displayed no feats of anomalous combat speed.

Originally posted by batdude123
So what the hell was this about?

Which all had nothing to do with Zoom vs Thor fight, but with assuming E2 Superman was at his original lv's which would make him >>>>>> Thor.

My original beef was with assuming E2 Superman = PC Kryptonian.

Originally posted by The Problem
Which all had nothing to do with Zoom vs Thor fight, but with assuming E2 Superman was at his original lv's which would make him >>>>>> Thor.

I said E2 Superman was in "combat speed."

Originally posted by batdude123
I said E2 Superman was in "combat speed."

Nevermind. I was asking whats feats E2 Superman had during Infinite Crisis that displayed any kind of anomalous combat speed. This had nothing to do with Zoom because as I already stated, Thor would lose.

Originally posted by The Problem
Nevermind. I was asking whats feats E2 Superman had during Infinite Crisis that displayed any kind of anomalous combat speed. This had nothing to do with Zoom because as I already stated, Thor would lose.

Zoom was blitzing everyone around E2 Superman and then he popped Zoom right in the mouth like nothin'.

Originally posted by batdude123
Zoom was blitzing everyone around E2 Superman and then he popped Zoom right in the mouth like nothin'.

I do have a question though. Can Zoom hit Light speed within Earths atmosphere?

Originally posted by The Problem
I do have a question though. Can Zoom hit Light speed within Earths atmosphere?

Yes. He's not hindered at all by the atmosphere, considering he manipulates time, rather than actual speed... it only looks like super speed.

Zoom kicks Thor in the nuts at light-speed.

Originally posted by rico777
if you believe this, then Superman is sub-skyfather =/
Sentry>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Superman

Also, E2 Superman is not "Pre-Crisis" Superman, he's "Golden Age" Superman... The differenc ebeing that most of Supes big feats were around the Siler Age.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor wouldn't get a chance to blink let alone pull something like this off.
Unless Zoom sits there and waits 10 years in his time reference for Thor to pull this off.
Since that is how long it would take Thor revative to Zoom's own time reference.
Thor's hammer travels at multiples of the speed of light, and Flash came close to Zooms speed when he got to lightspeed.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Sentry>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Superman

Also, E2 Superman is not "Pre-Crisis" Superman, he's "Golden Age" Superman... The differenc ebeing that most of Supes big feats were around the Siler Age.

Feck no.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
Feck no.
Feck Yes.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
Feck no.

What exactly is it in my post that you object to?

Sentry has shown nothing to show he's greater than Supes or even equal to supes.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Sentry>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Superman

You're absolutely retarded if you believe this.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Also, E2 Superman is not "Pre-Crisis" Superman.

Yes he is.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Also, E2 Superman is not "Pre-Crisis" Superman, he's "Golden Age" Superman... The differenc ebeing that most of Supes big feats were around the Siler Age.
The difference in power between the two during their head to head showings were always minimal.

E-2 Superman was def precrisis. The way he shatterred the dimensional barrier let you know that. Period. He really could have killed clark but he's a superman.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
E-2 Superman was def precrisis. The way he shatterred the dimensional barrier let you know that. Period. He really could have killed clark but he's a superman.

Many characters have destroyed dimensional barriers. Hulk, Thor, Hercules, etc. However this doesn't place them on the lv of PC Kryptonians. The E2 Superman that appeared during Infinite Crisis was not at the same Lv as he was during the Silver Age.

Originally posted by The Problem
Many characters have destroyed dimensional barriers. Hulk, Thor, Hercules, etc. However this doesn't place them on the lv of PC Kryptonians. The E2 Superman that appeared during Infinite Crisis was not at the same Lv as he was during the Silver Age.

SBP sure as hell was. So what makes one the same and the other not?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
SBP sure as hell was. So what makes one the same and the other not?

Um maybe because E2 Superman doesn't equate to Superboy prime.....

Originally posted by The Problem
Um maybe because E2 Superman doesn't equate to Superboy prime.....

Just becuz he didn't move planet's doesn't mean that he lost his powers. He seemed to me to be the better of current superman and he pwned doomsday in one punch.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Just becuz he didn't move planet's doesn't mean that he lost his powers. He seemed to me to be the better of current superman and he pwned doomsday in one punch.

E2 Superman just wasn't as impressive as SBP. He was old, and it was obvious his power had waned.

Thor one shotted DD.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Sentry>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Superman

Also, E2 Superman is not "Pre-Crisis" Superman, he's "Golden Age" Superman... The differenc ebeing that most of Supes big feats were around the Siler Age.

Sentry hasn't proven to be above superman at all... Superman > Sentry still. Until i see better feats from him =/

Why are so many people convinced Sentry is more powerful then supes, i dont wanna get into it but c'mon a PC supes would completly rape Sentry hardcore.

Originally posted by The Problem
E2 Superman just wasn't as impressive as SBP. He was old, and it was obvious his power had waned.

Thor one shotted DD.
its a crossover. nobody really takes that as fact at all. much of its outcomes are due to comic politics.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Why are so many people convinced Sentry is more powerful then supes, i dont wanna get into it but c'mon a PC supes would completly rape Sentry hardcore.
No ones arguing about PC Supes... Sentry is over current Superman.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Sentry is over current Superman.
What is this being based on?

Originally posted by Deathstroke
What is this being based on? Hopes and dreams.

Originally posted by Deathstroke
What is this being based on?

Fairy dust.

Originally posted by Deathstroke
What is this being based on?

Rabid fanboyism. Kandy is the guy who said sentry was sub-skyfather. ermmhappy

Originally posted by Deathstroke
What is this being based on?
Marijuana

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Just becuz he didn't move planet's doesn't mean that he lost his powers. He seemed to me to be the better of current superman and he pwned doomsday in one punch.
E1 and E2 pawnd DD with a few punches.

Originally posted by Validus
Marijuana

Hey! That's my excuse, not Kandy's. durfist

Originally posted by Deathstroke
What is this being based on?
Sentry's tremendous feats.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Sentry's tremendous feats.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

The next time Superman displays Galactus level powers we'll argue about this.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The next time Superman displays Galactus level powers we'll argue about this.
Or the first time Sentry displays Superman level powers.

Originally posted by Validus
Or the first time Sentry displays Superman level powers.
You think Superman is above Galactus?

Originally posted by King Kandy
You think Superman is above Galactus?
You think Galactus would need Wonder Man's help to catch the Shield helicarrier?

Originally posted by Validus
You think Galactus would need Wonder Man's help to catch the Shield helicarrier?
who knows...what is Galactus best strength feat?

Originally posted by Validus
You think Galactus would need Wonder Man's help to catch the Shield helicarrier?
What's Galactus's lifting strength?

Originally posted by King Kandy
What's Galactus's lifting strength?

3.67285 kajillions metric wagletoots

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
3.67285 kajillions metric wagletoots
Source?

Originally posted by King Kandy
What's Galactus's lifting strength?

I love when Validus' sarcasm goes way over someone's head...

Originally posted by King Kandy
Source?

Marvel's Official Guide To The Cosmos

It came out in 1973-74 as their first attempt to categorize cosmic beings in Marvel.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Marvel's Official Guide To The Cosmos

It came out in 1973-74 as their first attempt to categorize cosmic beings in Marvel.
I'd like a link to prove that exists.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Thor's hammer travels at multiples of the speed of light, and Flash came close to Zooms speed when he got to lightspeed.

You must never go on what Thor says on panel as proof. For he contradicted himself in a later comic saying that he can swing his hammer twice the speed of light and throw it at the speed of light (and not multiples).

Second, it is speculative whether he can throw it at the speed of light anyway. There's no proof (except his talking).
Other than that, assuming at his maximum throwing speed, he stills needs time to whirl the hammer in a circle to build up enough speed.
For almost every Thor comic shows this. Even when he's striking (as in cracking the celestial dome). Or even when he's about to fly.

Fact: He has never been shown to throw his hammer at light speed or beyond without whirling it in a circle first (albeit after a few seconds at least). And that is assuming his talk is credible.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I'd like a link to prove that exists.

Gimme a few days to Photoshop something that looks credible.

Originally posted by h1a8
You must never go on what Thor says on panel as proof. For he contradicted himself in a later comic saying that he can swing his hammer twice the speed of light and throw it at the speed of light (and not multiples).

Second, it is speculative whether he can throw it at the speed of light anyway. There's no proof (except his talking).
Other than that, assuming at his maximum throwing speed, he stills needs time to whirl the hammer in a circle to build up enough speed.
For almost every Thor comic shows this. Even when he's striking (as in cracking the celestial dome). Or even when he's about to fly.

Fact: He has never been shown to throw his hammer at light speed or beyond without whirling it in a circle first (albeit after a few seconds at least). And that is assuming his talk is credible.

Shut up.