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Superman

Originally posted by jasonk3
Superman Loses to Hal.

If Kyle as a GL with all his experience he can take it.
Superman for a GL isn't a big deal. K-Nite radiation and Clark is done.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Loses to Hal.

I don't know much about dc...or marvel...or comics in general...I FAIL...

Originally posted by Rewmac
If Kyle as a GL with all his experience he can take it.
Superman for a GL isn't a big deal. K-Nite radiation and Clark is done.

Superman's fought through K-nite before.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Loses to Hal.

In his dreams

Superman wins

Kyle takes the majority.

Does Kyle have has ION or Parallex powers?

Originally posted by Rufus T Firefly
In his dreams

Superman wins In his dreams, he doesn't try.
In the comics, he has to exert a tiny bit, to take the win.
VzNDe0ymlys

5/10 split imo.

Originally posted by jasonk3
I don't know much about dc...or marvel...or comics in general...I FAIL...
You were a failure long before you realized this.

Current Kyle Rayner Curbstomps Supes

Originally posted by Validus
You were a failure long before you realized this.

OWNED !

A guy who looks like this can't be a failiure...

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w81/jasonk3_2007/jason.jpg

Well thats true, my friend.

Who is that?

Originally posted by The Problem
Superman's fought through K-nite before. He did but if he is trapped in a box with K-Nite bullets and blades tearing through his body he won't be doing any fighting.

Kyle doesn't even need to be Ion or this current Parallax BS.

Kyle if he serious fights and doesn't hold back he takes this 1 million/1.
Really there's no honest debate in Clark's favor that doesn't involve PIS, a plot devise or a jobber effect.

Originally posted by Entity
Kyle if he serious fights and doesn't hold back he takes this 1 million/1.
Really there's no honest debate in Clark's favor that doesn't involve PIS, a plot devise or a jobber effect.

Jesus Christ... this is why people don't take you seriously in Superman threads.

Pathetically... ridiculously laughable.

Entity ftl.

Originally posted by batdude123
Entity ftl.
Entity can move Faster then Light?

Then why hasn't he finished his write-up yet?

Originally posted by batdude123
Jesus Christ... this is why people don't take you seriously in Superman threads.

Pathetically... ridiculously laughable.

Entity ftl. Then please provide a senario where Clark could win without PIS, a plot devise or the use of jobbing.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Entity can move Faster then Light?

Then why hasn't he finished his write-up yet? Its too much fun to toy with people.

Originally posted by Entity
Then please provide a senario where Clark could win without PIS, a plot devise or the use of jobbing.
T-Vo.

Originally posted by King Kandy
T-Vo. All three in one nice touch.
Still think a green lantern with sufficient willpower should easily over power it thou.

Kyle definitely has sufficient willpower.

Originally posted by Entity
Then please provide a senario where Clark could win without PIS, a plot devise or the use of jobbing.

What for? It'd be the equivalent of preaching to a black crowd that whites are superior (or vice-versa).

Crudeness aside, Superman has plenty of ways to win this, and HAS won against Green Lanterns pretty damn often. I don't really need to justify Superman winning, especially when the comics do all the talking that needs to be said here.

5/10 split imo.

Originally posted by Entity
All three in one nice touch.

Torquasm-Vo is PIS and jobbing? Plot device, sure... but the ring is just as big of a plot device as well.

Originally posted by Entity
Still think a green lantern with sufficient willpower should easily over power it thou.

Kyle is going to "easily overpower" it when a magical multiversal reality warper fell victim to it?

Entity's logic ftl.

Originally posted by batdude123
What for? It'd be the equivalent of preaching to a black crowd that whites are superior (or vice-versa).

Crudeness aside, Superman has plenty of ways to win this, and HAS won against Green Lanterns pretty damn often. I don't really need to justify Superman winning, especially when the comics do all the talking that needs to be said here.

5/10 split imo. So win there is no logical way to justify him winning you just state you don't have to justify anything and call it an even spilt.

Originally posted by batdude123
Entity's logic ftl.
I agree... I'm blinded by his logics speed!

Originally posted by Entity
So win there is no logical way to justify him winning you just state you don't have to justify anything and call it an even spilt.

No logical way to win?

You truly do make me giggle, Entity.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I agree... I'm blinded by his logics speed!

Indubitably!

Originally posted by batdude123
Torquasm-Vo is PIS and jobbing? Plot device, sure... but the ring is just as big of a plot device as well. No a green lantern ring is part of the constant character and part of the story in itself. Where as T-Vo was specifically created because Superman had no way to get out of a situation with his already incredibly overwhelming choices of powers.

The writers did what they always do for him and just gave him a definite win. Without any rationality or effort to good reason behind it.

superman

Has anyone evr tried to simply hit Supes in the nads?I mean DS or Mongul,why do they never try and knee his weak spot?

on topic,John stewart put supes down in less then a second.

Originally posted by batdude123
No logical way to win?

You truly do make me giggle, Entity. Yet you still manage to completely aviod the problem.

"He has no way to win without PIS, a plot devise, or jobbing!"

Originally posted by Martian_mind
on topic,John stewart put supes down in less then a second.

You're right... by cheap-shotting him when Superman didn't even know John was about to attack.

Originally posted by Entity
No a green lantern ring is part of the constant character and part of the story in itself. Where as T-Vo was specifically created because Superman had no way to get out of a situation with his already incredibly overwhelming choices of powers.

The writers did what they always do for him and just gave him a definite win. Without any rationality or effort to good reason behind it.

A ring that is only limited by the user's imagination and will is indeed a plot device.

Originally posted by batdude123
You're right... by cheap-shotting him when Superman didn't even know John was about to attack.


right....and him paying attention would have helped how?he got shot in the eye's and i doubt he could dodge,so if heould do it,Kyle sure as hell can.

Originally posted by batdude123
A ring that is only limited by the user's imagination and will is indeed a plot device. When your ready to debate about the topic at hand with actual reason and logic I'll attempt to join you. Until then I'm not arguing about you being right because you say so or about my debating skills when not given a honest chance to use them.

Thanks anyway I'm sure your friends will be here soon enough to help you.

Anyone else that wishes to discuss the topic with reason I am happy to accommodate but it may have to be tomorrow afternoon.

Originally posted by Entity
Yet you still manage to completely aviod the problem.

"He has no way to win without PIS, a plot devise, or jobbing!"

Superior combat speed, reflexes, and strength do the trick just fine. He gets the first attack, so he blinds Kyle with high luminosity heat vision just like he did to the league when they were on the moon. And as established in Tower of Babel, Kyle's sight is the most important part of him wielding the power ring. From there, it's a KO ftw. That's one way.

Or, he could just speedblitz the shit out of Kyle not holding back any of his punches. Kyle wouldn't have a chance to react or attack in any coherent fashion because he'd be bombarded by someone with Flash level speed and Hulk level strength. And yes, Superman is strong and fast enough to provide sufficient force in order to break Kyle's shields/constructs.

http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sconstructsnv2.jpg

and

http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=week151999action75305ar3.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=week151999action75306gc4.jpg

The end result of that is a KO. That's two.

Then of course there's the way that you absolutely LOVE... T-Vo. Superman brings Kyle's ass to the theta state and owns him there on his own little astral playground. That's three.

Etc.

Also, Kyle's not gonna be KO'ing Superman quickly or with one blast at all. This was proved when Kyle unloaded his ring's energies into Superman's face without holding back. Granted, Superman's face was a little messed up, but he wasn't KO'd and he wasn't downed at all. Kyle would be having a prolonged fight no matter if he wanted to or not. Supes is just too damn formidable, quick, and durable to let that happen.

And please don't act like physical force doesn't mean anything. Bullshit. There've been MANY instances where he's been hurt or KO'd with blunt force trauma rather than energy blasts. Hell, I just provided an instance in those scans.

Fact of the matter is that there's nothing Kyle can throw out there that Superman hasn't dealt with before and triumphed. You're going to sit there and tell me Superman has absolutely no way of winning this? I already take your opinions as a joke anyway because you proudly despise Superman, and completely adore Kyle, but this is just insanity. If you gained a little objectivity, you could see the error in your statements. Pick up a Superman comic every now and then... it might help you with your little tact problem you seem to have.

Kyle is not shown on average to be half as uber as most would have you think on this board. Sure he can get his fair share of wins against Supes... but 10/10? LOL

And please don't get me wrong. Kyle is one of my favorite characters of all time, but he isn't going to curbstomp Superman by any means. This would be a fantastic fight. You have to understand that versatility doesn't equal power, and it doesn't equal an automatic win. Their power output is about equal, but Superman is much faster. Kyle makes up for it in the versatility department though. In the end, I see this as a 5/10 split.

Originally posted by Entity
"He has no way to win without PIS, a plot devise, or jobbing!" dur

Yo.

Originally posted by batdude123
You're right... by cheap-shotting him when Superman didn't even know John was about to attack.

John had just "kra-koomed" the area where the JLA was standing, and when Supes flew up to where he was John spoke to him BEFORE he put him down.

so saying it was a cheap-shot is false; Supes simply got hit & hit HARD.




Tazer

Originally posted by Entity
No a green lantern ring is part of the constant character and part of the story in itself. Where as T-Vo was specifically created because Superman had no way to get out of a situation with his already incredibly overwhelming choices of powers.

The writers did what they always do for him and just gave him a definite win. Without any rationality or effort to good reason behind it. Except that it took a storyline to introduce it, then another that used it heavily, and has used it in other storylines and instances since, including in other people's books.

Superman wins 7/10 solidly. Kyle isn't on his level in combat.

TEN TIMES OUT OF TEN

Superman bites off Kyle's fingers at Lightspeed "CHOMP"

Kyle can use his ring even when it is not on his finger

superman swallows it

He can use the ring through Supes body. Kyle even used the ring while dead.

Supes wins a small majority.

Lantern's are over-rated IMO, especially Kyle.

Your life is overrated.

You smell of poo.

But its hot poo ermm


And they are not overrated, more as underused in team storylines.

Pound for Pound a GL should stomp Superman, seeing as they can have all his powers and more

That's not nice.

Hasn't Superman been historically shown to overpower Lanterns? Shouldn't he overwhelm GL Kyle's willpower defenses and KO him with a finger flick? He could do this before Kyle generates K-nite radiation or tries for an energy drain.

I don't see Kyle taking a majority, especially due to hero worship. Starheart/Battery Ion Kyle might have a better shot.

John may have cheapshotted supes, but if you remember, in the "sacrifice arc" while being controlled by max lord, supes koed john with one punch

John didn't cheapshot Supes nor was he knocked out in Sacrifice. Superman broke one construct. Wow.

If Kyle can contain a Big Bang I'm sure he can do the same to Superman.....

Originally posted by Estacado
If Kyle can contain a Big Bang I'm sure he can do the same to Superman..... Kyle can also be taken down by Deadshot and Deathstroke, respectively.

The problem I have with Lanterns against beings of Superman's level always comes down to physical makeup. Superman is top tier durability. A GL shields are top tier durability, but Supes has the strength to eventually crack a GL's shields, and underneath the willpower, Kyle has human durability.

There are other factors (K-nite synthesis, energy drains), but if you boil it down, Superman seems to have the edge in willpower and stats.

Originally posted by Validus
Your life is overrated.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Kyle can use his ring even when it is not on his finger

QFT. Few Lanterns have done that feat.

Edit: And in re to stats, a Lantern is capable of using the ring to boost levels.

Yo.

Originally posted by superkronick92
John may have cheapshotted supes, but if you remember, in the "sacrifice arc" while being controlled by max lord, supes koed john with one punch

&

Originally posted by Validus
John didn't cheapshot Supes nor was he knocked out in Sacrifice. Superman broke one construct. Wow.

John didnt cheap-shot Supes, and as Val said previously John wasnt knocked out. BUT neither did Supes break his construct; the construct held but the force of the blow was strong enuff to knock it AND John outta the WT.




Tazer

Originally posted by Estacado
If Kyle can contain a Big Bang I'm sure he can do the same to Superman.....

During that same arc, one Imperiex probe owned J'onn, Wally, and Kyle quite easily.

And when Superman stopped holding back, he ran through a bunch of them like tissue paper.

Originally posted by Validus
John didn't cheapshot Supes nor was he knocked out in Sacrifice.

LOL. It appears that you need to reread Sacrifice. John was indeed knocked out after Superman broke his construct.

This was right after the punch, and as you can see, Stewart is lying there unconscious.

http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermankosjohnmw0.jpg

Also, Wally even flat out states that both Hawkman and John were KO'd.

http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermankosjohn2wl5.jpg

A winner is me. DEBUNKED!

Originally posted by Tazer
John didnt cheap-shot Supes, and as Val said previously John wasnt knocked out. BUT neither did Supes break his construct; the construct held but the force of the blow was strong enuff to knock it AND John outta the WT.

What the f*ck are you talking about? John's construct was SHATTERED.

http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sconstructkt6.jpg

Kyle. One Universal big Bang holding Bubble and It's good night Supers. Or an entire free thinking JLA does the Trick. Superman's S shield aura should have no place here under KMC rules. Kyle 7/10

he also held an area bubble that Ultraman could not break

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Kyle. One Universal big Bang holding Bubble and It's good night Supers. Or an entire free thinking JLA does the Trick. Superman's S shield aura should have no place here under KMC rules. Kyle 7/10

Originally posted by batdude123
During that same arc, one Imperiex probe owned J'onn, Wally, and Kyle quite easily.

And when Superman stopped holding back, he ran through a bunch of them like tissue paper.

And you actually think Kyle operating at that level is common?

Please, In Green Lantern: Recharge, it took all 7200 lanterns with fully powered rings to contain one star. Kyle's constructs are far from unbreakable.

CasanoVa wasn't too far off when he said Green Lanterns, especially Kyle, are overrated on this forum.

5/10 for both.

Yo.

Originally posted by batdude123
What the f*ck are you talking about? John's construct was SHATTERED.

http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sconstructkt6.jpg

tbh I didnt remember it that way, but so be it: I was wrong and admit it.




Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



tbh I didnt remember it that way, but so be it: I was wrong and admit it.




Tazer

It's okay. You're right most of the times... so meh.

Yo.

Originally posted by batdude123
And you actually think Kyle operating at that level is common?

Please, In Green Lantern: Recharge, it took all 7200 lanterns with fully powered rings to contain one star. Kyle's constructs are far from unbreakable.

CasanoVa wasn't too far off when he said Green Lanterns, especially Kyle, are overrated on this forum.

5/10 for both.

1) as they were in the midst of the recruitment drive they had FAR less than 7200 GLs there; they prolly had about 300 - 500 all told w/vets & rookies combined.

2) they werent trying to contain that star, but were forcing it thru a wormhole made by the Spider Guild.




Tazer

leftover scans I have of Kyle:

-Kyle makes a prison for the CSA and holds them for over a day. Ultraman (evil Superman) tries for hours to break it and fails. Kyle kept this up while attending to other business on Earth. Not even their version of Green Lantern could break it.
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrjlaearth20441wd.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrjlaearth20452yu.jpg
http://img331.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrjlaearth20525fm.jpg
http://img419.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrjlaearth20538vf.jpg

-Kyle Vs Amazo 2000. The version of the Amazo had the powers of nearly every superhero on Earth. The JSA, JLA, Marvel family, Strange Visitor, Firestorm, etc.
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p336gb.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p348nw.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p359ov.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p368nd.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p370nr.jpg

Originally posted by Blair Wind
leftover scans I have of Kyle:

-Kyle makes a prison for the CSA and holds them for over a day. Ultraman (evil Superman) tries for hours to break it and fails. Kyle kept this up while attending to other business on Earth. Not even their version of Green Lantern could break it.
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrjlaearth20441wd.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrjlaearth20452yu.jpg
http://img331.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrjlaearth20525fm.jpg
http://img419.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrjlaearth20538vf.jpg

-Kyle Vs Amazo 2000. The version of the Amazo had the powers of nearly every superhero on Earth. The JSA, JLA, Marvel family, Strange Visitor, Firestorm, etc.
http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p336gb.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p348nw.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p359ov.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p368nd.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dcu2000secretfiles1p370nr.jpg

And? Averages count for a lot more than top showings, B-Dub. Otherwise Superman is an omniverse saving, multiversal reality warper destroying, god-slaying, team thrashing, Darkseid stompin' bastich who has no peers under herald level.

5/10 split.

Originally posted by batdude123
And? Averages count for a lot more than top showings, B-Dub. Otherwise Superman is an omniverse saving, multiversal reality warper destroying, god-slaying, team thrashing, Darkseid stompin' bastich who has no peers under herald level.

5/10 split.

Kyle has Many more options of beating Superman than Supers has of beating Kyle. Kyle wins against Superman as many times as surfer does. 7-8/10. Hell Kyle can do shit the surfer cannot. Ring Suck for the win. Automotons of the JLA. High End shields. Matter transmutation. Or Kyle gives himself Daxamite DNA and holds on to the ring.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Kyle has Many more options of beating Superman than Supers has of beating Kyle. Kyle wins against Superman as many times as surfer does. 7-8/10. Hell Kyle can do shit the surfer cannot. Ring Suck for the win. Automotons of the JLA. High End shields. Matter transmutation. Or Kyle gives himself Daxamite DNA and holds on to the ring. Kyle could do most of those things, however Supes's method of beating Kyle is far simpler and quicker: speed blitz Kyle's shields with strength/HV. Superman's will is stronger and the fight is over as soon as he cracks Kyle's defenses.

Kyle's best offense is to remove Superman's powers with the Ring Suck; on this we agree. Otherwise, I think Supes would wreck anything Kyle throws at him.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Kyle has Many more options of beating Superman than Supers has of beating Kyle. Kyle wins against Superman as many times as surfer does. 7-8/10. Hell Kyle can do shit the surfer cannot. Ring Suck for the win. Automotons of the JLA. High End shields. Matter transmutation. Or Kyle gives himself Daxamite DNA and holds on to the ring.

@ the versatility = an automatic win argument. If that were the case, Thor would own Flash. Having the power to do something is less important than the actual EXECUTION of those said powers in a combat situation. That's why Superman makes the versatility argument null.

Anyway, I seem to recall you saying Superman in his "uber" mode is >>>> Surfer and Thor.

Not only are you full of inconsistencies in your comments... you're also full of complete shit.

Originally posted by batdude123
@ the versatility = an automatic win argument. If that were the case, Thor would own Flash. Having the power to do something is less important than the actual EXECUTION of those said powers in a combat situation. That's why Superman makes the versatility argument null.

Anyway, I seem to recall you saying Superman in his "uber" mode is >>>> Surfer and Thor.

Not only are you full of inconsistencies in your comments... you're also full of complete shit.

yes Superman in his uber mode is higher than both of them. But kyle in his uber mode is higher than superman. I have always said that I thought Gls were better than surfer and thor on many occasion. So how that is full of shit is beyond me. GL>uber Superman>Surfer=regular superman=Thor.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Kyle could do most of those things, however Supes's method of beating Kyle is far simpler and quicker: speed blitz Kyle's shields with strength/HV.

But... but... but Kyle has MORE options!!! My logic is foolproof I say!

Kyle 10/10!!!!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
yes Superman in his uber mode is higher than both of them. But kyle in his uber mode is higher than superman. I have always said that I thought Gls were better than surfer and thor on many occasion. So how that is full of shit is beyond me. GL>uber Superman>Surfer=regular superman=Thor.

I have a feeling you didn't read my edited post. Reread it por favor.

Originally posted by batdude123
CasanoVa wasn't too far off when he said Green Lanterns, especially Kyle, are overrated on this forum.
That's why Wog, and Hal are my favorites.

Also, the Superman/Batman fantoy crying overrated... the irony.

Originally posted by batdude123
I have a feeling you didn't read my edited post. Reread it por favor.

I know what you said. I have always thought the lanters were superior to Surfer and Thor when comparing high end feats. I have said this many times. I also think Superman is superior to them when he's in his uber dc sucking his dick mode. Not once did I ever say superman was over any gl's did I? so how was I a hippocrit?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
yes Superman in his uber mode is higher than both of them. But kyle in his uber mode is higher than superman. I have always said that I thought Gls were better than surfer and thor on many occasion. So how that is full of shit is beyond me. GL>uber Superman>Surfer=regular superman=Thor.
GLs better than Superman, Surfer and Thor.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So, you're a disgustingly laughable GL mark as well as a Darkised fetishist.

Kid, NO GL save Hal is on those other people's level. Kyle is second rate compared to the elite big timers like Superman Thor and Surfer, kid.


But I wouldn't expect someone who get all of his information from inter net message boards to have enough knowledge to realize that.

Originally posted by panthergod
Kid, NO GL save Hal is on those other people's level. Kyle is second rate compared to the elite big timers like Superman Thor and Surfer, kid.
Sexcellent... sexcellent.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I know what you said. I have always thought the lanters were superior to Surfer and Thor when comparing high end feats. I have said this many times. I also think Superman is superior to them when he's in his uber dc sucking his dick mode. Not once did I ever say superman was over any gl's did I? so how was I a hippocrit?

Because you said, and I quote: "Kyle wins against Superman as many times as surfer does. 7-8/10."

Then you say that Superman is>>>Surfer?

Also, you really don't seem to be grasping the concept that you can have all the versatility in the world, but if someone has a way of beating you quicker and more efficiently, then you're f*cked.

That's why this fight is 5/10 for both imo.

Originally posted by panthergod
GLs better than Superman, Surfer and Thor.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So, you're a disgustingly laughable GL mark as well as a Darkised fetishist.

Kid, NO GL save Hal is on those other people's level. Kyle is second rate compared to the elite big timers like Superman Thor and Surfer, kid.


But I wouldn't expect someone who get all of his information from inter net message boards to have enough knowledge to realize that.

You do realize these are comics and that the majority vote doesn't make something that is totally left up to interpretation right? You do know this right? I should hope you do.

Originally posted by batdude123
Because you said, and I quote: "Kyle wins against Superman as many times as surfer does. 7-8/10."

Then you say that Superman is>>>Surfer?

Also, you really don't seem to be grasping the concept that you can have all the versatility in the world, but if someone has a way of beating you quicker and more efficiently, then you're f*cked.

That's why this fight is 5/10 for both imo.

I said Superman in his Uber mode is >>> Sufer. dont' forget that. And that is in power output. I have said that they normally both operate on teh same lvl of out put sometimes superman out does surfer.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You do realize these are comics and that the majority vote doesn't make something that is totally left up to interpretation right?

That's one thing I can agree with you on.

Originally posted by batdude123
That's one thing I can agree with you on.

Of course. in actuality, you may be right, superman could have knocked Diana out, beat the crap out of kyle and all. But it's all up to our interpretation of events that allows us to see what we see. If we all agreed, this forum would be ****ed and boring. kinda like some of those others were everyone agrees all the time.

Originally posted by batdude123
That's one thing I can agree with you on.

I agree with that Superman wins part.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9035/supermanv2204p016bq2.th.jpghttp://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4827/supermanv2204p01718ap6.th.jpghttp://img47.imageshack.us/img47/3950/supermanv2204p019gl4.th.jpg

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/8343/supermanv2204p020cs7.th.jpghttp://img47.imageshack.us/img47/592/supermanv2204p021ev1.th.jpghttp://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4239/supermanv2204p022pn5.th.jpg

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I said Superman in his Uber mode is >>> Sufer. dont' forget that. And that is in power output. I have said that they normally both operate on teh same lvl of out put sometimes superman out does surfer. when surfer is pissed and supes is pised they both can be scary, but surfer definitely would win. hes the silver surfer and the power cosmic would literally rape superman in a million different ways to exploit his weaknesses.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I agree with that Superman wins part.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9035/supermanv2204p016bq2.th.jpghttp://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4827/supermanv2204p01718ap6.th.jpghttp://img47.imageshack.us/img47/3950/supermanv2204p019gl4.th.jpg

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/8343/supermanv2204p020cs7.th.jpghttp://img47.imageshack.us/img47/592/supermanv2204p021ev1.th.jpghttp://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4239/supermanv2204p022pn5.th.jpg Ever wonder how Kyle got himself into a situation like that?

Supes is the man.

Lots of characters seem versatile enough to handle Superman. And Kyle certainly does have that over him. However... Application, adaptation, keeping the pressure on, and most of all finishing are quintessential pieces of combat. While both characters have great power, all those of categories belong to Superman more often than not. Thus, I give him an edge here.

Originally posted by Juntai
Ever wonder how Kyle got himself into a situation like that?

Supes is the man. no supes aint the man. hes tough and i give him his respect but dc is all over his nuts.

Originally posted by Juntai
Lots of characters seem versatile enough to handle Superman. And Kyle certainly does have that over him. However... Application, adaptation, keeping the pressure on, and most of all finishing are quintessential pieces of combat. While both characters have great power, all those of categories belong to Superman more often than not. Thus, I give him an edge here. What in your opinion, would be the results for a Hal/Supes fight?

Originally posted by Tyrant
What in your opinion, would be the results for a Hal/Supes fight? supes wins majority.

Originally posted by Tyrant
What in your opinion, would be the results for a Hal/Supes fight? Hal would have a better shot, because while both Kyle and Hal have the versatility with a ring that can do anything, Hal tends to utilize a lot more raw power. Also, given that their ring is based off of will, Hal also has to his advantage the fact that he isn't really impressed by Superman, compared to Kyle. Hal thinks Hal is the shit.

Originally posted by Juntai
Hal would have a better shot, because while both Kyle and Hal have the versatility with a ring that can do anything, Hal tends to utilize a lot more raw power. Also, given that their ring is based off of will, Hal also has to his advantage the fact that he isn't really impressed by Superman, compared to Kyle. Hal thinks Hal is the shit. Thanks.

Same thoughts here. Just wanted to get your opinion while it's here.

Hal's always been my favorite GL (although Wog is awesome as well). I've never been quite as impressed with Kyle (minus a bb holding).

Originally posted by Juntai
Hal would have a better shot, because while both Kyle and Hal have the versatility with a ring that can do anything, Hal tends to utilize a lot more raw power. Also, given that their ring is based off of will, Hal also has to his advantage the fact that he isn't really impressed by Superman, compared to Kyle. Hal thinks Hal is the shit. so do u think hal puts up a better fight or does hal win? whats ur answer to the question?

Hal Jordan is my second favorite comics character, next to Bruce Wayne. I've just always been a Batman guy.

Seriously since this doesn't say GL Kyle shouldn't it be Ion Kyle facing Supes and not one with a GL ring.

Either way both GL and Ion Kyle beats Superman.

Originally posted by Juntai
Hal thinks Hal is the shit.



if it's GL Kyle, then i have to go with supes... most of what juntai said i agree with, and imo supes is just better at what he does than kyle...

hal on the other hand, if there was ever a GL that could take down Supes, it'd be Hal...

best scenario for kyle imo, its a 5/5 split...

Originally posted by Juntai
Hal would have a better shot, because while both Kyle and Hal have the versatility with a ring that can do anything, Hal tends to utilize a lot more raw power. Also, given that their ring is based off of will, Hal also has to his advantage the fact that he isn't really impressed by Superman, compared to Kyle. Hal thinks Hal is the shit.

I think Superman and Hal would take 5/10 from each other, personally. In terms of heroism, feats, power, etc... they've always been the two big dogs in DC.

Originally posted by pr1983


if it's GL Kyle, then i have to go with supes... most of what juntai said i agree with, and imo supes is just better at what he does than kyle...

hal on the other hand, if there was ever a GL that could take down Supes, it'd be Hal...

best scenario for kyle imo, its a 5/5 split...

While your opinion is well founded... authority figures make me puke, Mr. New Mod.

Originally posted by batdude123
While your opinion is well founded... authority figures make me puke, Mr. New Mod.

huh?

Originally posted by pr1983
huh?

Joke? Welcome to modship?

Originally posted by batdude123
Joke? Welcome to modship?

again with the 'huh'

where did you get that idea?

Originally posted by pr1983
again with the 'huh'

where did you get that idea?

From Digi. He said you and Illadelphia are gonna be the new comic book vs. forum mods.

Originally posted by batdude123
From Digi. He said you and Illadelphia are gonna be the new comic book vs. forum mods.

lol, yeah i just saw that... sorry for the playing dumb, you just caught me off guard a bit there...

Originally posted by pr1983
lol, yeah i just saw that... sorry for the playing dumb, you just caught me off guard a bit there...

I felt like a dick when you didn't seem to know what I was talking about.

Originally posted by batdude123
I felt like a dick when you didn't seem to know what I was talking about.

lol, sorry for that...

btw, whats the ribbon on your avi?

Originally posted by pr1983
lol, sorry for that...

btw, whats the ribbon on your avi?

One of the posters on here (Marea) found out she has breast cancer.

Originally posted by batdude123
One of the posters on here (Marea) found out she has breast cancer.

ouch, that sucks (understatement), i had that... not of the breast mind you, more in the lungage area...

she doing ok?

Originally posted by pr1983
ouch, that sucks (understatement), i had that... not of the breast mind you, more in the lungage area...

she doing ok?

I'm not sure right now. I think she caught it early, which is a good thing.

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm not sure right now. I think she caught it early, which is a good thing.

well thats good at least... i think we should get back on the topic of how badly supes can beat kyle...

Originally posted by pr1983
well thats good at least... i think we should get back on the topic of how badly supes can beat kyle...

But Kyle has more ways of beating Superman no matter how long they take or how dragged out they may be. Superman may be able to take him out fast and effectively, but the fact that Kyle has MORE options makes this a 10/10 curbstomp in his favor.

Hazzah!!! My logic is foolproof I tells ya!!! durfist

Originally posted by batdude123
But Kyle has more ways of beating Superman no matter how long they take or how dragged out they may be. Superman may be able to take him out fast and effectively, but the fact that Kyle has MORE options makes this a 10/10 curbstomp in his favor.

Hazzah!!! My logic is foolproof I tells ya!!! durfist



in fairness though, the longer the fight lasts, the better kyle's chances imo... not as good as say, hal's, but sufficient...

edit: actually no... sorry...

Originally posted by pr1983


in fairness though, the longer the fight lasts, the better kyle's chances imo... not as good as say, hal's, but sufficient...

edit: actually no... sorry...

Oh I love Kyle... it's just that I see him as being overrated quite a bit on here and it's kind of annoying. He isn't taking a majority over Superman.

Originally posted by batdude123
Oh I love Kyle... it's just that I see him as being overrated quite a bit on here and it's kind of annoying. He isn't taking a majority over Superman.

i'll admit i'm not as big a fan of kyle as i am of say, hal, or ever supes for that matter, and with all respect to kyle, i just don't see him as being on par with the supermans or hals of the world...

Originally posted by pr1983
i'll admit i'm not as big a fan of kyle as i am of say, hal, or ever supes for that matter, and with all respect to kyle, i just don't see him as being on par with the supermans or hals of the world...

At his best, I can see Kyle being = to Hal. On average though? That's a different story altogether.

Originally posted by batdude123
At his best, I can see Kyle being = to Hal. On average though? That's a different story altogether.

but is kyle's best = to hal's best?

Originally posted by pr1983
but is kyle's best = to hal's best?

No way, Jose.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
No way, Jose.

that's what i was getting at...

Originally posted by pr1983
but is kyle's best = to hal's best?

Hal consistently operates at a higher level than Kyle. But if Kyle is at his best, yeah he definitely has comparable feats to Hal's best.

Originally posted by pr1983
that's what i was getting at...

Damn right!

Let's see Kyle try and punch out Batman.

Originally posted by batdude123
Hal consistently operates at a higher level than Kyle. But if Kyle is at his best, yeah he definitely has comparable feats to Hal's best.

Bottom of the page.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Damn right!

Let's see Kyle try and punch out Batman.

Hal didn't knock out Batman.

Originally posted by batdude123
Hal didn't knock out Batman.

My definition of punch out = floored.

Not knocked out, because Batman was up and about in no time, was pretty badass on Hal's part though

Originally posted by CasanoVa
My definition of punch out = floored.

Not knocked out, because Batman was up and about in no time, was pretty badass on Hal's part though

Indeed. hmm

*points to my sig*

Originally posted by batdude123
Indeed. hmm

*points to my sig*

Meh.

That wasn't badass

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Meh.

That wasn't badass

Jealousy blinds you.

Originally posted by batdude123
Jealousy blinds you.

Please.

I've been punching GL's out since I was a yung'un.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Please.

I've been punching GL's out since I was a yung'un.

Yeah, and Batman has owned the man in your sig more times than can be counted.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, and Batman has owned the man in your sig more times than can be counted.

And Guy Gardner still rocks alot harder than Batman does.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
And Guy Gardner still rocks alot harder than Batman does.

Guy's a little punk *****.

Meh, he's still cool though.

how did i know this would degenerate into a 'hal knocked bats on his ass' thing...

Originally posted by pr1983
how did i know this would degenerate into a 'hal knocked bats on his ass' thing...

hmm

http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmanpuncheshalpo8.jpg

Originally posted by batdude123
hmm

http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmanpuncheshalpo8.jpg So I see, so I see...
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8409/halbatman2fo5.th.jpg

Originally posted by batdude123
hmm

http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmanpuncheshalpo8.jpg

lol, still not as cool as knocking bats down in front of all those heroes...

Originally posted by pr1983
lol, still not as cool as knocking bats down in front of all those heroes...

Because of your bias towards Hal? pfft

Originally posted by batdude123
Because of your bias towards Hal? pfft

Yes, because you're not biased towards Bruce at all.. are you?

Hal's the man now, Son.. Face it.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Yes, because you're not biased towards Bruce at all.. are you?

Hal's the man now, Son.. Face it.

Guilty.

Why is he the man now? The scan of Batman punching out Hal is recent; WAY after Rebirth. If anything, Hal is the reigning b!tch now.

Originally posted by batdude123
Hal consistently operates at a higher level than Kyle. But if Kyle is at his best, yeah he definitely has comparable feats to Hal's best.
What kind of bullshit is this?

Notice how Batman's punch made Hal bleed but Hal's punch didn't make Batman.

Originally posted by Validus
What kind of bullshit is this?

Objective bullshit.

Originally posted by batdude123
Objective bullshit.
But we agree that its bullshit, correct?

Originally posted by Validus
But we agree that its bullshit, correct?

Ha, your face is bullshit!

Originally posted by superkronick92
Notice how Batman's punch made Hal bleed but Hal's punch didn't make Batman. Ya but, because of that punch, Wonder Woman thinks Batman has a bloody, loose vagina.

So, who really won?

I'll take that as a yes. Carry on.

Originally posted by batdude123
Guilty.

Why is he the man now? The scan of Batman punching out Hal is recent; WAY after Rebirth. If anything, Hal is the reigning b!tch now.

Because Hal Jordan just became all sorts of awesome as soon as he did that, sure.. he could of caged him up in some sort of cage construct or just flew off, but no.. he knocked the master martial artist off his feet with one blow, infront of everybody aswell.

It's alot more suprising to see Hal hit Batman than vice versa, because what the hell else is Batman really going to do? .

Just an awesome moment really.

Originally posted by batdude123
Because of your bias towards Hal? pfft

i actually like both heroes alot... i just thought that was a pretty badass thing hal did...

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Because Hal Jordan just became all sorts of awesome as soon as he did that, sure.. he could of caged him up in some sort of cage construct or just flew off, but no.. he knocked the master martial artist off his feet with one blow, infront of everybody aswell.

It's alot more suprising to see Hal hit Batman than vice versa, because what the hell else is Batman really going to do? .

Just an awesome moment really.

Hal was owned by a shark once. Unforgivable.

How is this Hal/Batman thing even a debate? Hal's punch had Batman crying like a little girl and setting up Hal to enter his Emocave just to get revenge. Hal took Batman's little slap to the face and smiled.

Sorry Bruce, you got worked. Go cry to Brother Eye about it.

Originally posted by batdude123
Hal was owned by a shark once. Unforgivable. Batman got his back broke by Bane once...