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Feloni: https://youtu.be/ifRoDS3Xstg?t=4m15s
"One to One Could Anakin Skywalker Beat Ahsoka. Yea. Absolutely because, because he taught her"

Wait for Quanchi to respond, somehow he'll make out that Tano raped Vader.

The excuses for Vader's failures need to stop. He failed to convert Luke, failed to save his wife, failed to acquire the Sith holocron, failed to acquire the Death Star plans (man was this embarrassing) from grunts, failed to best Tano in any significant manner, etc.

Agreed, Kun>Vader confirmed

Kun> Palpatine confirmed.

Rofl.

Originally posted by TheMuser
Agreed, Vader~Ahsoka>>>>>Ulic~Kun confirmed

Oh and along with feloni retconning the starwars.com quote, malachor and maul scaling:
Vader~Ahsoka~Ben Kenobi>~Rebels Maul>>>>>Ulic~<Kun/Sod Maul

waitwaitwait i thought ashoka was the only one with knowledge of her opponent's form???????????

Originally posted by |King Joker|
waitwaitwait i thought ashoka was the only one with knowledge of her opponent's form???????????

She'd Expect Form 5 but not everything else Vader would have. Even if Vader was just Djem So, his application is completely different than Anakin's.

no she knew vader's form n vader was unprepared for ahsoka therefore ahsoka's duel against vadre is inapplicable to her skillz

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Feloni: https://youtu.be/ifRoDS3Xstg?t=4m15s
"One to One Could Anakin Skywalker Beat Ahsoka. Yea. Absolutely because, because he taught her"





At least that line of logic is more consistent with Kenobi beating Anakin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The excuses for Vader's failures need to stop. He failed to convert Luke, failed to save his wife, failed to acquire the Sith holocron, failed to acquire the Death Star plans (man was this embarrassing) from grunts, failed to best Tano in any significant manner, etc. And he's still better then Maul.

Originally posted by NTJack0
And he's still better then Maul. Bullshit. Maul wouldn't fail against grunts in Rogue One or did he turn to become a selfless Jedi in his last moments.

#****Vader

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
She'd Expect Form 5 but not everything else Vader would have. Even if Vader was just Djem So, his application is completely different than Anakin's.

Yes. I recently read the Rise of Darth Vader and his application of Djem So became far more basic yet quite a lot more powerful strength-wise. Plus he added a lot more from other forms into his own personal style, including Form II, III, IV and VII, all of which he is mentioned using in the book.

Tano wouldn't really be able to anticipate or read Vader nearly as much as vice versa.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bullshit. Maul wouldn't fail against grunts in Rogue One or did he turn to become a selfless Jedi in his last moments.

#****Vader

Can you substantiate these claims? Especially why Maul would defeat Vader? And also could you add which Maul that is?

Correction, the video is called, the padawan lives

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Ben Kenobi>~Rebels Maul

Someone debunk Quanchi. I see everyone make fun of his arguments but never a rebuttal. I don't think he's ever said something I disagree with...

Originally posted by Sinious

fine
>>rebels maul>>>>>Kun~Ulic
?

REBELS MAUL WAS INSANE BECAUSE HE WANDERED THE DESERT AND KENOBIS WIN WAS A TOTALLY CIRCUMSTANTIAL VICTORY BECAUSE MAUL WAS EMOTIONALLY NOT THINKING STRAIGHT, AND FILONI MADE TONS OF STATEMENTS THAT MAKE THE FIGHT CIRCUMSTANTIAL.

-Excuses from Maultards and idiots who can't accept the fact Maul is shit and constantly loses to everyone he fights.

"Kenobi got lucky" xD Give me a break.

Kenobi sure didn't look like get got lucky, he looked like somebody 100% on their game

bump

Obviously Vader had the advantage of knowing Tano's technique. And he is clearly shown overpowering her with his strikes and pushing her back. I really can't see a reason why she'd be able to strike back or kill Vader in a lightsaber duel.

Maybe he exploited ataru's wekness and took the fight to that narrow space because she knew ahsoka wouldn't have space to jump around and would be forced to revert to her secondary djem so which while incredibly impressive(given how she was able to match and even hold her ground for a bit vs several of vade's strikes) wasn;t a match for vader's.

Regardless it certainly helped vader win given its a reason he can beat her which makes ahsoka challenging vader as well as she did impressive and puts her hsowing comparable to ben's vs vader overall, especially when you consider that ben trained vader.

No, she was proficient in the Shien variant of Form V, as far as we know she didn't study Djem So.

She is an impressive duelist, but Vader>Tano even without knowing her fighting style frankly.

Cringe.

Originally posted by samappo
No, she was proficient in the Shien variant of Form V, as far as we know she didn't study Djem So.

She is an impressive duelist, but Vader>Tano even without knowing her fighting style frankly.
I don't think its explciitly stated but I'd say djem so was a part of her style given her frequent use of strength based attacks in fights(see her season 2 fight vs offee, her fight vs grevious, or her fight while turned to the darkside vs anakin). And when they were fighting at the edge she was trying to meet vader's strength with her own.

Actually I think I remember a source saying Anakin was teaching her Djem So. Fair point.

Still, I think she relied on Ataru and Shien primarily rather than Djem So.

regardless she certainly wasn't using ataru or at a minimum ataru in the same way she was using it in a wide open space.

Anyway, this speculation isn't needed.

Vader's victory can at least partially be attributed to his training of her and given that she still challenged him I'd say its fair to consider them near equals, just as it is with ben kenobi.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
regardless she certainly wasn't using ataru or at a minimum ataru in the same way she was using it in a wide open space.

Anyway, this speculation isn't needed.

Vader's victory can at least partially be attributed to his training of her and given that she still challenged him I'd say its fair to consider them near equals, just as it is with ben kenobi.

So that we're clear, I'm not disputing vader's superiority

I thought this was going to be something about Malachor's DS nexus.

I'm sure canon is going eventually reveal Vader to be at his best during ROTJ, I hope so anyway. It makes more sense in my opinion.

Don't think that exists, though for what it's worth, maul#2 had maul learning to embrace the pain from the dead Jedi t malachor iirc.

Originally posted by samappo
I'm sure canon is going eventually reveal Vader to be at his best during ROTJ, I hope so anyway. It makes more sense in my opinion.
Vader believes he grew stronger from killing ben though nova has argued against that. Regardless I have no problem with canon Vader being raised. If a pre prime Vader is tanking malachor level explosions with his force barrier, makes me excited what Roth Vader would be doing in canon of he's stronger

Where does it say that Vader believes he grew stronger from killing Ben?

The scan and the arguments pro and against here:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/darth-vader-ben-kenobi-vs-anakin-skywalker-obi-wan-1848834/?page=1

It's quite ambiguous and up for debate really. Probably need to wait for more canon to be released to clarify. Regardless, Vader is *not* a pushover.

In that Filoni interview, he says Tano could definitely compete with Vader. He gives off the impression that Tano could probably contend but ultimately she couldn't beat him. Which makes sense.